I hope you guys find this helpful, PP settings were set to 0 for everything and I used the Cinema colour space...enjoy :)

@EduardoPerez-xt8ug

7 жыл бұрын

Enzo Vera that would be awesome subtitles in Spanish saludos Harv from Puerto Rico

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Eduardo Pérez I'll give this some thought :)

@andersnymannwejse3347

6 жыл бұрын

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Hi harv! I have posted a question below - can you help me? Love your videos :)

@Freiheit1232

5 жыл бұрын

Hey is there a reason you used the Cinema color space?

@Clouder77

5 жыл бұрын

Great video and very informative for my needs. One question for you that I have is for indoor video if just using my camera as a webcam replacement should I just leave PP off or leave it on CINE3?

I never NEVER comment on vids like these. But I genuinely feel like you actually give a shit. Being a cinematographer I know how long and borish these vids are to make. But I really appreciated your input. This is valuable info for those of us who have recently made the switch to Sony mirrorless. There's next to no info from Sony about this stuff. Anyway. Thanks for doing what you do.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Dustin Kirkendall many thanks :) really appreciate it!

What a great demonstration of the different Sony cine profiles. I really like the way you put things together, thanks!

Harv, thank you for this, really clear insight and good tests. Best wishes to you

Another great video Harv, I love how you tend to answer questions that people naturally have about these cameras. I would love for you to do another similar video in the context of low light comparisons and how they each handle noise at a "realistic" high ISO, not 250,000 but maybe between 20k-50k. Thanks for all the great content!

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make these vids Harv! Recently subbed - love the channel :)

Rocking good!!!...thanks for making the time to do these...some of the best and most useful vids on Sony PP!!!

Very helpful videos. Recently picked up a Sony a6300 and your channel has some great info. Subbed you yesterday but just wanted to say thanks.

Brilliant and always new things learned! Appreciate it Harv!

Again, one awesome video Harv. :-) - But what about the gamma? How do you set the Cine profiles up the best with all the other settings inside the profile settings?

Great stuff man. Definitely helpful content. Keep it up!

This is super helpful and you explained it so well. Thank you so much!

Great work as always, Harv. Thanks!

You really have the best and most helpful information. Cheers

Thank you for the video it's gonna help me a lot in my next projects!!

Wow, you really impressed me with this short and easy guide!

You're the best! Thanks so much man, we all really really appreciate it.

Great vid as always - will get testing Cine2 on my A7S.

I enjoy how you break it down to simple shots of info 😉

This is so helpful. You are fantastic. Please keep doing what you are doing.

*Use s-gamut3 or cinema color mode with cine2 & cine4? And how do you feel about the comment below that said using cine4 during daytime and cine2 during night time? Curious to hear your opinion on that. I'm new to sony cameras as well.. just got my a7sii the other day lol.*

Hey Harv, I've shot in slog2 and cine4 for the most part. Im assuming you're in south England, me too. Could you recommend settings for a Cine2 profile. I also saw Cody Blue use Cine2 and get great results, he posted some settings but I'm interested in your take. Would you for example whack detail down to -7? Is -7 detail really zero sharpening or is it destructive in camera softening and +0 should be zero sharpening in camera. If you understand my point. Thanks, Michael Stonemason.

Hi Harv, love your videos! I have been shooting SLOG2 + 3 on the a7sii for most of my projects but there are times where being able to use auto ISO and lower ISO's is helpful. I just love the dynamic range of the SLOG profiles so much! Have you experimented with black levels etc while using a cine gammas for any increased dynamic range?

Very interesting video. Helped me in my understanding of different cine color picture profiles. Thanks

Thanks for the help! Great work!

Awesome stuff Harv, I guess the next question (and possibly a video? ) is how does Cine4 grade compared to S-Log2 or Cine2 :)

Hi,I regular watched your tutorial I just want to know which picture profile best for cine 1,2,3,4

Thank you for your great videos, keep going!

Cine2 is the same curve as Cine1 but it's compressed to fit into the 0-100 range. If you shoot Cine1 and bring down the whites it'll recover some of the blown highlights and look the same as Cine2.

@CarlosVixil

10 ай бұрын

meaning the opposite of what he said, cine1 has the most DR

@jameiealehandro

10 ай бұрын

exactly. a bit suprised that a person of his expertise had made such a simple mistake@@CarlosVixil

@biteme8905

10 ай бұрын

So if you alter cine 1 you can get it to look like cine 2. unaltered. What is the use in that?

@CarlosVixil

10 ай бұрын

@@biteme8905 dynamic range Edit: same logic different question, “why shoot in log if you’re gonna make it look like rec709?”

Thanks for this. It's ow 2020 and I've just picked up a Sony A7S II for client work. Thanks for sharing this review. It's really helpful

Thanks a lot for the video. Explained really well.

This was really nice. Thank you for this.

I’ve done similar tests and also found Cine 2 to work best. I use it any time I don’t have an ND filter handy for Slog-2 and also for lower light situations.

Nice and straightforward, thank you!!!

Very helpful thanks for posting!

I use cine 4 for daytime and cine 2 for night time as a general rule, it seems to work well

@RodneyCooperFilmz

7 жыл бұрын

Are you switching to the color modes when working in Cine 2 or Cine 4?

@slangdoll

7 жыл бұрын

I always thought Cine4 would be better for night... you don't need the extra in the bright areas and the shots seem less noisy in dark areas with Cine4.

@_STNML

5 жыл бұрын

that makes absolutely no sense lol

Thanks for the video! I just conducted my own test, and found that out of all the gammas, Cine2 is also my favorite. I am now kicking myself because I have been shooting a lot in S-Log3. My test was specifically for low light. the S-Log footage was shot at ISO1600 and the Cine2 footage was shot at ISO640. I'm now going to try having both at ISO1600 but have skin tones at 60IRE. I'll post my result below.

Thank you for all those informations !!

I strongly agree! Nice comparison.

I agree, I have a Sony FS 700R and when shooting mostly outdoor shoot I use this following profile setting in Outdoors / high contrast situations and to control the shadow details : Gamma: Cine 4 , Black Level: +4, Black Gamma: Middle, +4, Knee: 90, Slope: +2, Color Mode: Pro, Level 8, Color Level:-2, Detail: -4, and The rest is default. For lowlight situations believe it or not, I turn to Cine1 at a setting of Gamma: Cine1, Black level: 0, Black Gamma: Middle, 0, Knee: 90, Slope: +2, Color Mode: Pro, Level: 8, Color Level: 0, Detail: -4, and the rest is as is. I used the cinegama1 for lowlight not cine2 because I love how it looks into the shadows. Anyways awesome test video. Thank you for posting, keep them coming it motivates millians.

@knnylow

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Quick question, I've been playing around with the details and I noticed your keeping yours ar -4. Is there a reason to keep the detail so low?

Super helpful thank you. Ive always been a cine 4 guy but never liked the digital look that that amount of contrast gave me. Now moved to cine 2 to a lower knee and its looking a load more cinematic in the highlights especially. Thanks

Thank you for the analysis. Very usefull. What kind of basic LUT do you advise for cine2 or 4? (something like "Slog 2 to rec 709" for slog2 shootig profile). Thanks!

Super helpful. Thanks!

great! thank you for the test have you test the slog from Sony ? thank again

Came here and found what i was searching for. Thx!! Now i will have to do some practicing. Greetz from germany Hamburg. ❤️Carpe

Great content! I have been watching all of your videos on the a7III, as I am waiting for mine to come in the mail in the next 2 weeks. I have a question about the video profiles. I have a very good understanding of what Log profiles are what they do to the image and why you would use them, but what is Cine? Are they too, technical a log format? Would it have been just as valid for Sony to call cine1 and cine4, S-log4 and S-log5? I see plenty of S-Log2 and S-Log3 to Rec.709 Luts for getting a "corrected" image, but hardly any for cine. To simplify 1.) Is it just Log? 2.) Is it just trying to emulate a film stock? 3.) Where can I read more on this? I have searched google and everything only covers Log.

Great help, Thank you

Nice vids mate!

Harv - I would love if you did a video on how to color grade after using cine profiles and slog!!

Thaaaaaaaks so much! It's just I'm looking for. Thanks.

Just discovered this channel. It's wonderful. All the best.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

6 жыл бұрын

+Sooraj S A means a lot, thank you :)

@soorajsa2548

6 жыл бұрын

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Subbed :) Keep going!

Harv your videos are top notch man! You should make a video on how to match the Sony Fs5 with the sony A7RII, i can't seem to figure it out

Thanks for the video I've always been too lazy to try this myself

Thank you very helpful.

You really hope it was helpful? Even as a regular Sony shooter, I found your tests as well as your narrative extremely helpful, and more so than any other explanation of the Cine profiles I have seen. Also, I back off detail to -7 and saturation the same for Cine 2 and 4. Saw that you leave everything at 0. Don't you feel that gives you less control of sharpening in post and too much baked in color? Great job on the video. Thanks for posting it.

Another great video, thanks. :-) I am so happy to have found your channel. It's my favorite when it comes to video advice :-) I did a quick test also (I have the original a7s) and found similar results. I also really liked cine 2. It also seemed to have more dynamic range than cine 1...But I am confused why cine 1s being able to go to 109% isn't an advantage with regards to dynamic range?!

Thanks!!! I had been using Cine 4 but will give Cine 2 a shot instead (using with EOSHD pro color too).

What you think about KZreadr Cody Blue's Cine4 settings? I was searching for Sony Cine settings and his Sony settings kept popping up. My job at the new station is starting to swear by these settings for our Sony A7sii cameras. I tend to disagree with these settings. Can you review those Sony setting please and Thank you!!!

thank you!

For most filming with these Cine profiles on my RX100V, do you recommend that I shoot in shutter priority mode, aperture priority, manual, or auto? I'm trying 24fps for a filmic look, so should I lock the shutter at 1/50? Or do you recommend I lock my aperture as well in manual mode? Great video...I learned a lot about the various Cine profiles. Seems like Cine2 is the winner (RX100 doesn't have Cine3 or 4).

@LarsDennert

5 жыл бұрын

24fps and 1/50. If you want an "automatic" mode to shoot in, choose Shutter priority. Adjust the ND first and then ISO if you aren't in Slog2/pp7. Last resort, if needed, run up the Shutter speed manually. Otherwise M and run the Aperature on a ring. I get lots of Blue and Black noise in PP7.

Freakin love your videos, man!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend, there's lots more coming! :)

Liking your videos. I understand that many people use Cin4 or Slog2 as common profiles. James Millers sells speciality luts for sony Cin4, Slog2/3 profiles. However a majority of special look LUTS sold are designed for REC709. So with Cin4 or Slog you have to transform the footage to REC709 before applying these LUTS. Profile PP3 and PP4 have a IUT709 picture profile mode which I am assuming is a form of REC709 that may be compatible with the vast majority of these REC709 LUTS sold. As a beginner my question is why is recording in Cin4 preferred to using IUT709? and if IUT709 is less work to use to apply Look LUTS to than CIN4 since it may be closer to REC709 footage?

thanks so much!

Thank for this knowledge

Do one for lowlight Harv.

Well explained

Good stuff brooo

Really agere with you. Nice video man

Whats you recommend option of cine?

Cine 2 vs. Slog 2. That will be really cool.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+David Lekes I'll definitely give it some thought :)

@RodneyCooperFilmz

7 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend the S-Gamut color mode when shooting in the Cine2 picture profile?

@inigofilms

6 жыл бұрын

Harv, Have you done the Cine2 v. S-log2 comparison?

@biscuitsalive

5 жыл бұрын

I tested those here- kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmhh2q1pea-_n84.html

Do you have to overexpose for cine2 / cine4? Or just + 0.0?

YES! Finally someone confirming what I believe (Cine 2 has more DR than Cine 4). Everybody says that Cine 4 has more dynamic range, but I found that it doesn't hold as much information in the highlights and it makes skintones look unnatural with yellow spots... Cine 2 makes the smoothest skintones, and is the closest Sony profile to EOSHD Pro Colors (based on my experience). Also, the lowest ISO setting with Cine 2 is 100, while Cine 4 is 200. I just made a fishing trip movie using my modified version of EOSHD Pro Colors (with SLOG2) and my Genustech Eclipse variable ND filter to control the depth of field... and it looks AMAZING! Once color graded, and with the addition of film grain... it seriously looks like a real film camera (I could almost insert a new scene in JAWS lol). The EOSHD Pro Colors makes the skintones looks way better and smoother (less sharp details like a real film camera) and the SLOG2 profile give me a lot of flexibility (HDR). I wonder what the results would have been if I was using EOSHD Pro Colors (with Cine 2) ... Of course, the image would be a little cleaner with ISO100, but I not sure if I would miss the extra DR that SLOG2 gives me. Anyways... as always, great video Harv and thanks for sharing those tests! :)

@DanielAx

7 жыл бұрын

Would love to watch that movie you were talking about and see for myself. Is it uploaded somwhere?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+David L'Abbée many thanks :) very insightful, I also use a profile that's loosely based on eoshd with slog2

@davidmultimedia2024

7 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Ax Unfortunately, it is not... and probably won't ever be (family movie). But I'm writing a short film that will be uploaded on KZread and Vimeo, so you will be able to see what I mean.

@codyandvictoria

7 жыл бұрын

Harv Video/Audio Stuff what's the profile settings :))

What is proper exposure on cine4 and cine2 ?

Wich one would you recommend for low light shoots?

Nice vid, but what pp # is cine2?

Thank you for your videos! I've just subscribed to you, and already watched a tonn of your tips, they are really helpful. I'm now a Sony a6500 owner, and I've noticed some behavior, that I don't really like (speaking of video) - there is some "memory" effect in dark areas, OR areas, which are exposed lower that the rest of the shot (darker areas). What I mean by this - when you begin to move camera, or maybe there is movement in the frame in parts of the shot which I just described you can see that picture moves with blur/memory effect, you see some trail of pixels (of object moving in frame), which were static a second ago, kind of transition from one frame to another with blur. What is this, is it ok? It is very noticeable for me when you watching this part of the shot. I undestand, that I'm shooting at 1/50sec 25fps, so there are some softer transitions from frame to frame, but anyway. Sorry for my English)

@kidzrevil

6 жыл бұрын

That is a symptom of in camera noise reduction. This is disabled in slog

what color modes to use with cine profiles ?

So, with cine 2 which color mode is better cinema or s-gamut3 ?

Which cine would you recommend for a new beauty beginner KZread channel with no color grading In your opinion?

I did the same test and cine 4 even at higher base iso (200) keeps highlights better than cine2 (iso100) with the same exposure. The higher max level on cine 4 (109) allows me to recover even more higlights in post, meanwhile cine 2 has a hard cut on the whites (better for night scene I guess or if you dont want to edit a lot). Finally, if you mod black level on cine 4 you can achieve something really similar to slog2. I have my video test on youtube but only in spanish. I really love to see neardy tests so keep doing your stuff 🎉

How would you expose Cine2?

I think your audio is better than any other filmmaking channel's. #RealTalk

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Elite Lens Films thanks :) it's mainly down to the mic (akg c414)

@toddgilligan

5 жыл бұрын

2 G's for a mic, killin it!

I know this is old. Could you clarify what your color managment was if using davinci? There are no presets for Sony Cine's. Still great job here.

I'm so into your videos! I don't own any Sony camera (yet!), though I appreciate so much the features they came with and the way you talk about them! Here, I'm confused about profiles which store data over 100 IRE. Have you changed the white point in your NLE in order to let highlights data stay under 100%, so that they don't get clipped in this video, which I presume doesn't allow anything above 100% to be visible?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Salvatore Di Renzo many thanks, I kept the exposure settings the same for each profile. I really wanted to explore the contrast levels and curves in this video, I think I may need to do a separate video where I look at how to expose each cine profile. What do you think?

@SalvatoreDiRenzo

7 жыл бұрын

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Thanks for your reply! I believe you did a good job in this video, I don't think cine profiles require much different exposure. The only doubt is: for those profiles which let "the histogram" go above 100%, is it possible to recover highlights with, say, the fast color corrector in PP, the same way "superwhites" are recovered in clips from cameras like the Panasonic GH4?

What pp# is cine 2 on the a7sii?

I like Cine 4 because of the roll off. I raise the black level in camera. I strongly suggest, like Harv has said before, testing out all of the customizable PP settings in these sony cameras. It helps a ton. Create your own profile.

Good info.. saved me butt loads of time.... :0)

Can you make a video, where you show us your export settings for videos. I have a7s and my vids on youtube looks terrible. Ofc in premiere everything is ok.

@bluebryan219

5 жыл бұрын

I had the same problems as you , try to learn about export settings , are you recording in avchd ? Mp4? Xavcs? I found that avchd has less size and writes to 25mbs so you have to export 25mbs to get the real quality of your footage. But for KZread , it compress a lot so better export 16mbps . Try it . But now I’m recording in XAVCS that writes more than 50mbps so that means more data in my frame ,

you are a cool guy! ;-) Thanks for the tutorial!

Was Cine2 set to Cinema or Pro? apparently that makes a lot of difference as well.

I had a question I wish I could direct message you I just got the triune luts from Film riot what do you think is the best pp settings for those luts

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Rockstar Cinema I prefer slog2 :)

Excellent video/channel. Subscribed! However, one question here. Probably I am the one, lacking some basic knowledge here ;) Anyway: You say that cine1 clips the highlights. Actually, I always thought cine1 doesn't because it preserves the highlights up to 109% (superwhite). They are just clipped by your monitor or software or whatever. That's why actually cine1 preserves more highlight than cine2. You just need the right display and tools to work with them I thought. On the other hand, cine2 compresses the highlights, that's why they are looking better on a standard screen. >>> Probably I am totally wrong, but if you could help with an explanation, that would be awesome. :)

Hi, thanks for an interesting video. I see that your'e an expert on picture profiles. I have a problem, recently i bought a camera sony A7ii, which turns out has a very big problem in video mode - moire and aliasing. can you recommend something on how to reduce these problems in my videos? while testing i thought that cine1, cine2, somewhat reduce the problem, but very slightly, maybe I should tweak the actual profile? maybe it would reduce them even more? for example reduce detail, sharpness or something? would apprecieate your ideas, thanks.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

6 жыл бұрын

Hi, hmm yes reducing sharpness in the profile was my first thought as well. Other than that there’s very little you can do to avoid it (other than actively avoiding filming things than produce moire patterns etc). The aliasing is odd though 🤔 many thanks

@KSliauderis

6 жыл бұрын

my bad, maybe it's just moire..

@AndreGodoi

5 жыл бұрын

What resolution are you shooting at? Those Super35 resolutions use the entire sensor to capture image and they should reduce the moire effect.

Whats the difference between cinema and pro color?

OMG Thanks for doing this. I've been shooting Cine4 with good results, but it's taken a lot of time just testing the various color spaces in Cine4 alone to get my 'look' right. Big time saver, Harv!

@RodneyCooperFilmz

6 жыл бұрын

JamesFreire What settings did you eventually settle with?

@hackit25

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Rodney. Interestingly enough, i've been shooting in Slog2 with Sgamut3.cine . I shoot a lot in very high contrast and I found it works great and it's really not hard to shoot well with. I also use Film Convert and my post process is very fast now.

As far as I am aware, Cine 1 has a 109 white limit threshold. So what looks like blown highlights is actually recoverable mostly (as long as it's not above 109%).

This is really interesting. Using Cine profiles is somewhere in the middle between setting creative mode Std to contrast -3 (which still retains a lot of contrast) and using Slog2 for maximum "flat" look (which is obviously the absolute best in terms of DR, but takes more time). What bothers me, however, is the way you have to work with these Cine gammas. I prefer shadow handling on Cine 1 and 2, but they always tend to look greyish and greyish-flat on the whole image. Can't really describe it properly. Cine 4 on the other hand is a lot easier to work with. What I did is I set black level to +10 on Cine4 and expose for the highlights with slight tweaks to exposure/shadows/colour saturation in post. That works quite well. I got to this when I was watching videos of people trying to fake S-Cinetone on A7 3rd generation bodies which involved Cine4, but somehow these guys even dialed black level down to -10 which for my feeling is really crazy because Cine4 already offers plenty of contrast.

After watching this I retested the profiles and got this: Cine 2 has most overall DR Cine 1/Cine 4 come second with DR. The difference between the two is that Cine 1 has more shadow detail/less highlight detail while Cine 4 has more highlight detail/less shadow detail.

Hi Harv - and all other sony-geeks :) I prefer cine 4, because so many luts are design for that profile. Would you still apply a cine4 lut to cine 2 footage? Thank you Harv for great videos!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

6 жыл бұрын

Hi, yes definitely. The curves aren't so different, should be fine :) you can just make minor tweaks after applying the lut

@AndreGodoi

5 жыл бұрын

Where would you guys find these LUTs? I use FinalCut X for my editing and some grading, it know SLog2 natively, but not the others I believe.

I've been using Cine 4 when I don't want to have to deal with much grading. Can you speak to using s-gamut with any of them?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff

7 жыл бұрын

+Majd Shufani yes indeed, S-gamut3cine is my favourite :)