Feel special getting briefed by the CIA

@thomaskositzki9424

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@aaronschurmann5923

Жыл бұрын

Not now mom! I'm being breifed by the CIA

@Orc-icide

Жыл бұрын

40 years later... The narrator is probably dead by now

@MADDOXXXbr

Жыл бұрын

@@Orc-icide exactly

@PierreNgo

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry you get briefed by the CIA everyday using any media bro

Damn.... This presentation looks more like a journalistic work for the evening news than a secret mini-documentary for the White House.

@nutsackmania

Жыл бұрын

info is info

@Gr8thxAlot

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's very well done.

@opcn18

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that was intentional.

@MikelosM

Жыл бұрын

Reagan was literally demented by this stage in his Presidency; providing easily-digested info in the style of classic media was likely the best outlet for giving CiC intel without committing unconstitutional run-arounds.

@zeroxception

Жыл бұрын

they have to dumb stuff down for presidents..they usually are not the sharpest

This was NOT "for Reagan." It was for everyone in the "need to know" category.

@williamchamberlain2263

Жыл бұрын

In the "Need to know" and "Low reading comprehension" categories.

@dieselscience

Жыл бұрын

@@williamchamberlain2263 Troll somewhere else.

@AlphaCarinae

Жыл бұрын

Why do you feel the need to make this correction? What value does it have?

@dieselscience

Жыл бұрын

@@AlphaCarinae Why are you so triggered?

@AlphaCarinae

Жыл бұрын

@@dieselscience I'm not, I'm just wondering why you wanted to make this correction.

CIA Officer: “it’s not great but not terrible”

@Shadowsamaman

Жыл бұрын

Tell me, how does an RBMK reactor explode?

@Fryepod3628

Жыл бұрын

LMAO what a great reference

@DST.73

Жыл бұрын

@@tsarnicholasii6679 Oh ok! I try to not watch that part in detail because I get upset over the animals getting hunted down and shot. It's very sad to me! But thank you for clarifying where it's said.

@djackmanson

11 ай бұрын

3.6 stars, as disasters go

(9:27) "we don't expect the inhabitants to begin returning for several *weeks* at the earliest..." RIP Pripyat 1986

@silvioklc7507

5 жыл бұрын

Many people returned, not in Pripyat, but if you go to the villages around you will see it's not empty

@probium2832

Жыл бұрын

@@silvioklc7507 They're called samosely

@fredharvey2720

Жыл бұрын

​@@silvioklc7507 Some defy the containment order and live there anyway

@AndrewTubbiolo

Жыл бұрын

35 years later they have yet to go back.

@fredharvey2720

Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewTubbiolo Some moved back illegally

This a weird sort of fun. I feel like a time traveler who “knows the truth”.

@KorianHUN

Жыл бұрын

CIA: "Surely it was an accident." Time traveler: "Actually, the soviets were so stupid they accidentally made the SCRAM button self destruct the reactor under bad enough conditions. They knew about it but redacted everything about the previous incident."

@tadeaspekar9043

Жыл бұрын

@@KorianHUN how typically communist

@_SoCalDude_

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the many reasons why I love studying history, especially the history of the world for which video and audio recordings have existed. That's not to say I don't thoroughly enjoy studying historical periods in which they didn't exist.

@NathanDudani

11 ай бұрын

​@@_SoCalDude_iamverysmart

@emilyofjane

11 ай бұрын

@@_SoCalDude_Audio and video definitely help make history feel more tangible

Given how utterly secretive the Soviet Union was (especially when divulging information to the west), this presentation is surprisingly close to what actually happened.

@dieselscience

Жыл бұрын

CIA knows. I don't know how but _they know._

@beenaplumber8379

Жыл бұрын

It surprises me they didn't know there was a test going on at the time, or that there was a complete meltdown. I think the Brits had a higher level of infiltration than the US did at the time. I also think nearly everything in this video was available at the time from public sources.

@hamishwhitehenderson5197

Жыл бұрын

The definition of intelligence work could probably be something like "journalism without consent" or "journalism but your source is actively trying to stop you reporting on them- and have you arrested and thrown out of country" and then you obviously had in house CIA arts and media dept. condense the reams of information and rumours and what not in to a 10 minute minute doc that a certain civilian policymaker could understand. Half the stuff that the CIA is basically a very high pressure version of the New York Times, probably with a considerably more, um, hawkish editorial and column section. I get the feeling the other half is more Rupert Murdoch if you get my meaning.

@TymexComputing

Жыл бұрын

@@hamishwhitehenderson5197 Paid sources :) - every communism /socialism is based on a kapitalist market :)

@moika2725

Жыл бұрын

Well when both countries where filled with spies from both of them getting detailed information was not that uncommon

"This tape will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Ronnie."

@apache1234657

Жыл бұрын

this tape will self destruct, if not properly stored

@gargoyle7863

Жыл бұрын

@@apache1234657 I see what you did here. 😅🤫

It's interesting how they theorized it was hydrogen gas that caused the explosion at chernobyl. It's clear they based that off the potential worst case scenarios for western reactors, in which a loss of coolant could lead to a meltdown and the hydrogen gas produced during this event could cause an explosion. This is exactly what happened at fukushima and very nearly happened at three mile island. It was their best theory on what might have happened given previous American experience with reactors and how far the soviets went to keep a lid on the disaster. It wasn't until later the full secret of the awful flaws of the chernobyl reactor became well known.

@marianmarkovic5881

Жыл бұрын

Well it was actualy Most likely reason thinkable attt, and can be half true, we know there was one initial, and one secondary explosion,... firs was steam explosion of cooling water, reason for econd can only be speculated, but one of possiblities is ignition of hydrogen gas created.

@captainotto

Жыл бұрын

They knew it was an RBMK unit and that RBMKs are graphite-moderated. It's weird to come to those conclusions knowing the difference between RBMKs and PWR/BWR units. Also weird that there was apparently no satellite imagery used, which should have been available then but perhaps sat images would be inconclusive.

@jimfrazier8611

Жыл бұрын

@@captainotto We had similar Plutonium breeder reactors at Hanford, so it wasn't like we were unfamiliar with the dangers of over-moderated graphite/water reactors. We knew the design was especially susceptible to a loss of cooling water, but we had no idea how badly the operators had backed themselves into a corner when they tried to shut it down.

@captainotto

Жыл бұрын

@@jimfrazier8611 You're right. I didn't even think about the breeders in Hanford. There's big differences between them and RBMK but the fundamentals are the same. At the same time accidents at Hanford were far less impacting, probably because they weren't trying to make economical decisions with those reactors due to their singular purpose.

@skunkjobb

Жыл бұрын

@@captainotto I don't think it's that far fetched to come to the hypothesis they did. I don't think they could imagine the negligence of the operators that put the reactor in a runaway condition. They didn't have exact info on how violent the explosion had been. Even if they knew the general configuration of an RBMK, I'm not sure they knew exact details like the graphite tipped fuel rods. The first sign of the accident outside the Soviet union was a radiation alarm at the Swedish nuclear plant Forsmark April 28. The day after that, a Landsat satellite confirmed with NIR images that the core lay open at the Chernobyl plant. Soon after that, the Soviets acknowledged the accident, pressed by that very imagery.

I like how the president basically got this which is the equivalent of a personally made educational youtube video

@anarchyandempires5452

Жыл бұрын

It makes sense when you think about it The world is pretty big and the Soviet Union was enormous, how is the president supposed to know the location of some random nuclear reactor and one of them dozens of Soviet states. So yeah a ground up shot of education would be just about the only way to bring him up to speed in a timely manner.

@crackthefoundation_

Жыл бұрын

This wasn't normal, it was because he had dementia and didn't know where he was. He needed tapes so he could rewatch them. He couldn't remember normal briefings. There's a saying "Reagan proved we don't need a president" because for almost all of his second term he was completely out of it.

@alexrogers777

11 ай бұрын

I bet presidents get personal educational videos made daily now

This turned out a lot worse than they thought.

@erik_griswold

Жыл бұрын

I gather it was like a chest x-ray.

@u.v.s.5583

Жыл бұрын

In terms of casualties not really.

@Jake-rs9nq

Жыл бұрын

​@@erik_griswold It was for people living in the city. For first responders, it was like receiving thousands of x-rays.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

@@Jake-rs9nq He was making a reference to the infamous quote in the HBO series.

@nickscurvy8635

Жыл бұрын

​@@erik_griswold not great not terrible

I kind of wonder if Reagan knew more about Chernobyl than Gorbachev did at this point in time.

@Leftistattheparty

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how much he actually understood given his mental decline. Chernobyl happened in 1986 and his mental decline has earliest been remarked upon before 1983.

@narancauk

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahahaahaha yes Reagan was a prophet

@dieselscience

Жыл бұрын

@@Leftistattheparty It wasn't noted by doctors until his last year in office.

@Wokculture69

Жыл бұрын

He was a stupid puppet, he didn't understand anything

@3girlrhumba

Жыл бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus-ic5gl lmao

Remarkable how much information they already knew and was true in such a short time after and with so limited resources to learn

@Armin2012

Жыл бұрын

The Cold War was pretty good practice to make some pretty good guesses with what they had available. And to be fair, Chernobyl probably was one of the easier events to discern likely facts from, as it wasn’t too easy to hide

@alfredofettuccine9425

Жыл бұрын

Chernobyl is just a few miles north of the famous Duga radar that served as early warning for Soviet missile defense. Considering its strategic significance, chances are the CIA already had assets in place in that area…

@soylentgreenb

Жыл бұрын

I just watched the video and my immediate reaction was the exact opposite; they didn't know jack shit about the accident yet and it was at least may 11 (date mentioned at one point in the video). There wasn't a power outage. There wasn't a loss of coolant. There wasn't a hydrogen explosion. Nuclear graphite doesn't ignite; you can put a continuous blow torch for minutes on end until graphite until it is glowing orange-white and it just won't burn; it will oxidize ever so slowly but if you remove the heat source it will stop oxidizing, radiate away the heat and cool down; molten fuel kept the graphite warm, graphite did not keep the fuel warm. The Chernobyl accident was caused by a combination of poor/cheap design and operator error. They were performing an ill-conceived safety test. It was a dual moderator design where one of the moderators, water, is also the coolant. So if it ever boils inside the reactor the neutrons are moderated more effectively by the graphite (better moderator), which increases reactivity. They managed to manually override enough safety protocols and withdraw enough control rods to put the reactor in a weird, unstable state; then when the xenon-135 finally did burn off power started increasing and they tried to SCRAM the reactor, which is when it blew up. The RBMK reactor was very large and made with low enriched fuel; this was done intentionally together with online-refueling to make it an efficient way to make plutonium (it was never actually used for weapons, but it was a design requirement that it could be). The size meant that the reactor could be critical on one side and sub-critical somewhere else. The control rods were designed with a long graphite displacer rod; this increased reactivity (intentionally so) and allowed the reactor to be controlled by fewer control rods making it cheaper (each control rod was both gas an break, instead of only break, giving it way more oomph). When the control rods were withdrawn as far as they were the graphite portion of the rod was not fully seated in the lower portion of the core and increased reactivity at the bottom of the core during SCRAM, while reducing it at the top. A fuel element overheated and burst its pressure tube. This flashed a lot of water to steam in the core, which increased reactivity, which caused more overheating fuel pressure tubes to explode. Simulations show that the core likely went prompt critical (!!!). There was a massive steam explosion tossing the very heavy biological shield lid and venting parts of the reactor out of the top like a volcano. This effect was known to the designers. They designed the reactor with an allowance of two simultaneously burst fuel pressure tubes; if more tubes ever burst simultaneously it would lift the biological shield, vent all the pressure tubes and result in the single worst nuclear accident ever. They did the calculations and said, yeah, that looks fine, that probably won't ever happen. This was not a loss of coolant accident, it was a loss of *reactor* accident. It appears none of this was known in may 1986 and they were just speculating wildly.

@bluerisk

Жыл бұрын

@@soylentgreenb Quote: "Our best estimate is..." The never claimed to know what has happened, and and arguing and condemning with perfect hindsight is cheap. No matter how true and good the arguments are, the malevolent intention undoes everything.

@TeddylsALiar

Жыл бұрын

Highly doubt it.

CraZy how the Soviet tried to downplay it and then accuse the US of being hysterical when numbers and radiation don’t lie

@zackthebongripper7274

5 жыл бұрын

Kinda what communist liberals do now.

@Tjecktjeck

5 жыл бұрын

Lemme guess - all your knownleague are based on ''Chernobyl'' serie? 31 people died under first 3 months since accident and then 19 more from 1987-2004, 134 suffered from radiation sickness/cancer (most of them are the brave men that cleaned roof from graphite). Probably some more of them died up till this day, but it is hard to save everyone in a fallout, out of open sources 573 died since recent Fukushima incident and 333 since Mile Island accident. US was hysterical for obvious geopolitical and economical reasons that have little to do with the accident it self.

@erfan487

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, and this show was supposed to be a propaganda for USA, but if you really think about it, you will see USA Government, right now, denies Climate Change and arrest Assange. It is so ironic...

@dijoxx

5 жыл бұрын

If you watch the last minute, even the Americans had no idea about the extent of the damage. This was unprecedented in human history.

@ilikewindows3455

4 жыл бұрын

@@dijoxx indeed, not many knew just how catostrophic this disaster was

The video description says "dated late April or early May 1986," but the narrator says at 2:59 that the information presented is "as of May 12" (of 1986), and again at 8:37 that it is "as of Monday, May 12." So 1. The video cannot be earlier than that date 2. Given the purpose of the video (brief the president on a current event), it must be soon after that date 3. The explicit mention of "Monday" at 8:37 suggests it was made less than a week after May 12

@kahlzun

Жыл бұрын

so, presumably early may then

@sacundim

Жыл бұрын

@@kahlzun Why be so vague, though. May 13 to 18 of 1986, with the 14th or 15th likelier than the 16th or 17th.

@nickscurvy8635

Жыл бұрын

@@kahlzun more like mid may if we want to be specific. If we wanna be even more specific it was likely early mid may at the latest

My ex boss has been working at chernobyl nuclear station to the next day after disaster and he is still alive, but his health is not good. Now he is working at TES in another town like a station head. We will allways remember. Sorry for my bad english because i am not a natural speaker. So i hope we will not let this disaster happen again.

@ZomboreZ

5 жыл бұрын

P. S. I was born 3 years later after this accident. Now i'm 30 years old. But i think that chernobyl was one of the most terrible episodes of human history.

@FvZz1623

5 жыл бұрын

KoolStori were you living in Pripyat ?

@ZomboreZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@FvZz1623 I've never been to Pripyat! I live and work in Tambov. And the man i was talking about living in Tambov for last 25 years. But he worked at Chernobyl nucler station before and after the accident.

@wickerman4609

5 жыл бұрын

Which reactor at Chernobyl did he work at

@kennethb375

4 жыл бұрын

weren't some of the reactors functional and still working up until 1999?

I went on a tour of Pripyat in 2017. I was only 7 when the accident happened and a few years older when then Soviet Union fell, but both where still things I was very aware of growing up. The visit to Pripyat was a strange and tangible experience making both the accident and the Soviet Union all the more real. Seeing huge portraits of old Soviet leaders on walls gave a feeling of time travel. Also remember seeing a huge radar station, 800 meters long, made to detect incoming nuclear missiles. That definitely made the cold war very real.

@alinzelnan

Жыл бұрын

I really regret not going there myself, I was first thinking about it roughly 10 years ago. Seems like it's not going to be possible anytime soon.

@FredrikSvensson1979

Жыл бұрын

@@alinzelnan I hope peace arrives soon and that you get the chance to go there.

@DST.73

Жыл бұрын

I didn't even know you could visit there until about 1 1/2 years ago...right about when the Russians invaded...Chernobyl is the only thing on my bucket list...

@FredrikSvensson1979

Жыл бұрын

@@DST.73 I hope you get to go. They let you come surprisingly close the reactor. I estimate we were less than 250 meters from the building covering the plant. It's not very rewarding though, you only see the fences, people working and the building itself. Pripyat was by far the best part for me.

@DST.73

Жыл бұрын

@@FredrikSvensson1979 Thanks Fredrik! From the tours I've seen, they now allow you into Control Room #4 where everything went wrong. That is so exciting to me! Even though there's not much to see anymore (the room has been stripped for parts), just to be standing there would be a very emotional and amazing experience for me. And of course, I would love to see the Duga radar system and Pripyat too. :)

Pretty awesome briefing for being over 30 years old

@paulburrell7058

Жыл бұрын

Fake

@georgegordonbrown9522

Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as "pretty awsome"

@mattkaramushko240

Жыл бұрын

@@georgegordonbrown9522 what

@masterpiece6440

Жыл бұрын

@@georgegordonbrown9522who told you that

@jrcs7

Жыл бұрын

Why?

It’s surprisingly how accurate this is considering that most of this information had to make its way thru the iron curtain. I’m amazed they had as much on the ground video footage as they did.

@jacobsartin7095

Жыл бұрын

It's not very accurate at all. They got the cause and severity of the accident massively wrong.

@BucketBoatable

Жыл бұрын

Bruh, it's CIA, they famously lived to presidenta and f up constantly

@jameshisself9324

Жыл бұрын

It's not accurate. They theorized it was a simple hydrogen gas explosion when it fact it was a positive scram and explosion of the core itself. Much much worse.

@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050

Жыл бұрын

@@jameshisself9324 tends to happen 3 days after the vent when fires are still raging in a secret state

@BryanDelMonte

Жыл бұрын

HCS baby (on the photos). It's not a bad report... more right than not... given the time it was produced. A hydrogen explosion was probable... since we likely assumed that the scram mechanism wasn't the trigger. I mean this video is talking May 11... that's only a few weeks after the explosion. We probably put full SI/TK on it... Given the other things said in the briefing... it seems like we had some indication to believe that a hydrogen concentration was morel likely than a scram failure. The video doesn't explain why they believe hydrogen detonation was the most likely cause of the explosion.

This was the best assessment at the time by the United States and it's a pretty good assessment but it was actually far worse than they expected

@jannejohansson3383

Жыл бұрын

In rus most things are much worse than expected, it is true still today.. and indeed now with that war, that one they started so long time ago. Still they saying how other nations sponsors "terrorism against rus". If they really live with that idea, this isn't ending before rus collapses. But that could happen before middle summer or few years time. Now their rails are leading to ice sea and putins train just add more speed.. :|

I'm glad we were all gathered to watch this 11-year-old upload about a now-37-year-old video. I'm not sure what it means but hello everyone.

"The entire effort could take *years*." Ahhh, _optimism._

@harryhall4001

Жыл бұрын

It didn't take them even that long to restart those reactors. The accident happend in 1986, they restarted No.3 in 1987.

The degree to which the West, even at the highest levels, underestimate the level of Soviet propaganda is the most chilling thing about this report.

@dijoxx

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a bit, but also because the world had not experienced anything like this before. Nobody knew what the real extent of the damage could be.

@clairel.royalistelegitimis3032

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up Moshe !

@soylentgreenb

Жыл бұрын

@@dijoxx Soviet reactor designers worked out during the design of the reactor that if ever more than two fuel elements burst simultaneously the biological shield would lift from water flashing to team, vent the core and cause a runaway reaction that would blow up the reactor. Somebody actually looked at that, said, why would that ever happen? that's probably fine and signed off on it before the reactors were built.

@coolnamebro

Жыл бұрын

This whole thing is theatrical propaganda but the average person is so thoroughly and completely brainwashed from birth they wouldn't be able to face the truth even if the establishment suddenly decided to start telling it. 😂

@The-zh3nr

Жыл бұрын

shill harder

I can't believe the President was updated on an enormous nuclear disaster by the same videos I watched in preschool to learn about the combine harvester and front-end loader

I find it quite interesting the video snippet that begins at 3:06 (titled as soviet pictures). It shows the immediate aftermath of the accident. From the look of the surrounding areas - this video had been filmed pretty much right after the accident occurred: there is no cleaning equipment, no demag cranes yet installed, no trucks that are usually seen in the most videos. There is no top layer of dirt being taken out to reduce surrounding contamination levels etc. It makes me wonder, so someone did film the immediate aftermath close to ground zero (may be the early morning post accident). The only other immediate film had been shot by Igor Kostin. Then what happened to the original footage? and how did it end up in this brief so relatively soon, and what happened to the original as it has not been seen anywhere else 🤔 Edit: okay I seem to finally find the copy of the original - it had been aired on the soviet tv at some point and I guess that's how it found it's way to the brief. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5ipxLquZaq_qKQ.html starts at 0:07 and ends at 0:26 Edit2: and there is another similar video, starts at 02:09 kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGdhw66DYM7Xlrw.html

I didn't realize how close Kyiv is to Chernobyl. Also that huge lake/reservoir they're both situated on.

"50,000 people used to live here. Now its a ghost town" - gives me chills every time

@antonglushchenko4263

Жыл бұрын

Our leaders prostituted us to the west …

@shawnchristopher6993

11 ай бұрын

How about the Russian army actually being in there in 2022😊

@ginaza9767

11 ай бұрын

Still the greatest level of any FPS.

There's a rather ironic twist at 2:16. The mechanism of the explosion described is actually the event that the operators were trying to simulate for their safety test. Can't blame the analysts though; they were operating with the closest estimates they had.

Thats cool how they had a close enough idea of what happened that they thought it was the scenario they were simulating (loss of power incident).

Interesting detail: Early motning on Monday 28 April, before any news came out of the Soviet Union, radiation alerts at Forsmark nuclear power station in Sweden went off. After ruling out a leak at their own plant and analyzing the radioactive particles, the Swedes concluded it was an accident in the Soviet Union and informed their government.

@Czechbound

11 ай бұрын

Yes ! If I remember well, some soldier stationed outside went through some radiation detector and set it off. And they checked him/ it and found that yes, there was radiation. As you say, after checking their facility, they said the only explanation is radiation in the air coming from .... (plot the weather) ... Chernobyl ...

How depressing when we know that this was all completely avoidable simply with competent management

@triple6758

Жыл бұрын

In communist Russia party members got jobs they had no business doing. Communism.

@kalebkloppe6193

Жыл бұрын

sounds like a problem that's unavoidable at scale

@blairkilszombies

Жыл бұрын

@@kalebkloppe6193 That's actually the logic behind Murphy's law. Improbable events start to become probable over a long enough timescale. For instance, that a perfect confluence of events causes your chief engineer to run the reactor in the worst way imaginable.

@Wattchn

Жыл бұрын

3.6 Roentgen... Not Great, Not Terrible.

@soylentgreenb

Жыл бұрын

It was a design problem, not really an operator problem. If you've seen HBOs drama series, it is almost completely wrong. E.g. it wasn't Dyatlov who insisted the core hadn't blown up, it was some of the other operators who got themselves killed because they refused to believe the core was damaged; Dyatlov wasn't that kind of asshole, he was a completely different kind of asshole. E.g. the power didn't increase *before* they SCRAMed the reactor, there is no evidence of an emergency before SCRAM, the instructions for the test were that upon successful completion they should SCRAM and wait for xenon to decay until restarting and that's what they did, and then the power suddenly increased and the reactor exploded. E.g. there were no "graphite tips", they were 4.5 meter long graphite displacer rods and where put there intentionally to increase the effect of the control rods by having them function as both gas and brake; improving neutron economy of the reactor and reducing cost. They designed a terrible reactor to hit various design targets (ability to use for plutonium production, use of low enriched uranium, cost etc) and they knew lots of things at the time they never told the operators. The designers worked out and put on paper that if more than two fuel pressure channels ever burst at the same time, this would cause water to flash to steam and lift the biological shield, venting the pressure and causing an unstoppable runaway chain reaction that would result in the worst nuclear disaster the world has ever seen. They actually knew this. Somebody looked at this and said, yeah, that seems fine, why would more than two fuel channels rupture simultaneously? The operators were led to believe they had a magical off-switch that could protect them if the didn't like something the reactor was doing. That day there were performing a test that had been requested; a test that had been performed before unsuccessfully and was being attempted again. Everything seemed fine and the test finished successfully; and then the core exploded.

I know that narrators voice! He did our plant safety video from back in the late 70s to early 80s... man gets around...

"dated late April or early May 1986". Just watching the video shows that these dates are off. Since the video references May 12th it can be dated to mid May at the earliest.

@Tsumami__

3 жыл бұрын

🍪

Great uploads!

Some very interesting facts in this presentation. Event how ever was grossly understated. It still is not over.

Soviet propaganda: "soviet reactors can not explode" Reactor4: hold my graphite

@hyperpotato1197

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t see graphite

@_____J______

Жыл бұрын

@@hyperpotato1197 You saw a potato

@Thxtnt

Жыл бұрын

@@_____J______ here’s where your wrong, I may only know about nuclear reactors at a face level, but I know a lot about potatoes…

@erik_griswold

Жыл бұрын

@@hyperpotato1197 Because it wasn’t there!

@PeachWookiee

Жыл бұрын

*pukes on the table, apologizes and passes out*

If only the narrator said "This event will most likely lead to the demise of the Soviet Union as we know it."

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

At least Mikhail Gorbachev confirmed that bluntly in his memoirs.

@boozecruiser

Жыл бұрын

Privitisation had already set their collapse in motion. Chernobyl was just emblematic of the failed reforms

@wysoft

Жыл бұрын

It did come close when the narrator mentioned that this event was not received well by other eastern bloc neighbors and Soviet states. Just not hitting on the fact that Chernobyl was the nail in the coffin as far as the Soviet citizens' acceptance of incompetence of leadership went.

POV: friendly CIA man is reading you bedtime stories

2:35 actually the CIA description here does not encompass in any way the sheer level of negligence and incompetence it took to cause this accident. Which is in no way a criticism of the CIA... they did not underestimate the Soviets here. They thoroughly overestimated them, which is a lesson we've learned about the Russian empire time and time again... And yes I do interchangeably use the expression soviets and russian empire here quite deliberately.

@marsdriver2501

Жыл бұрын

both were occupier and it's fair to use such labels in this way

@netyimeni169

Жыл бұрын

Except that all of that was made by the hands of badly disciplined Ukrainians who killed themselves despite all the Russian designing put into these reactors to make them safe

@fulgrimventris8506

Жыл бұрын

This video was produced very soon after the accident, when even the soviets themselves had not yet fully identified the causes.

@roadent217

11 ай бұрын

​​@@netyimeni169Considering that the KGB silenced warnings about potential design flaws coming from the Ignalina NPP, I do not believe your claim that the Russian part of the USSR would be especially safety minded in contrast to the nuclear engineers of the Ukrainian SSR. The design of the NPP itself was flawed. Blame lies at whoever designed this disaster-in-the-making.

@jamesfrancese6091

11 ай бұрын

And why use them interchangeably?

It would be interesting to know if the CIA routinely put together videos of this quality for other presidents of the 70s and 80s on topics of similar importance, or if this was only done for Reagan's benefit. He wasn't't known for his attention to detail and may have been suffering mental decline by 1986. Seems like a lot of this information could have been passed to him through a written briefing instead.

@rapman5791

Жыл бұрын

This was routine. Don’t ask me how I know. However you are on the right path regarding Rawhide and his particular faculties.

@kOstA8pSychO

Жыл бұрын

@@rapman5791 You would need to kill us if you tell right?

@dieselscience

Жыл бұрын

Almost all _high ranking_ politicians get regular briefings by CIA. Special ones get video also.

@AlphaCarinae

Жыл бұрын

You know you can just say you don't like someone, right? There's no need to make ableist accusations

@kOstA8pSychO

Жыл бұрын

@@AlphaCarinae who are you responding to? Me? It was a joke, have you ever seen any "spy" film?

11years ago now….timeless💪

Apart from what they thought happened with the reactor (which, ironically enough, was the exact scenario they were drilling for at the time of the accident), the information here were pretty damn close to what actually happened

My Dad worked for the NRC all this time, through the TMI accident too. Maybe it was the AEC back then, I can't remember when they changed the name and broke it up into two departments.

Interesting that the hypothesis at 2:15 is not what actually happened. It is similar to what happened at Fukushima though.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

Fukushima was nothing like what happened at Chernobyl. The Tepco reactors STOP reacting when water is removed while the RMBK reactor goes prompt critical. Now, if you were referring to what the CIA believed occurred, then you would be correct.

@irtbmtind89

Жыл бұрын

@@davidford3115 I'm referring to the CIA's hypothesis.

Is it just me or does it feel like it's like a public service announcement video. It all just feels like it's been simplified and easy to understand.

@-caesarian-6078

6 ай бұрын

That is the goal of political briefs and even executive summaries in general. The people watching these films have to keep track of dozens of foreign issues at once, in addition to whatever they are planning themselves. The goal is to give the politicians all of the information they need to make a political reaction, while taking up as little of their time or brainpower as possible.

Thanks!

Hi CIA man watching me because I found a CIA video on KZread

@mrticatcs658

4 жыл бұрын

Hi.

@FarmYardGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Hi.

@Crilbus_BowlingFag

3 жыл бұрын

Hi you two...wait back the fuck up....

@bayousmackerdixford3389

3 жыл бұрын

#alwayswatching👀

@tdpro3607

Жыл бұрын

hi fren

All of those buses that were heavily contaminated after the evacuation went back to Kiev and the other towns around and went back into daily service, spreading radiation risk to their everyday users. The May 1st parade in Kiev when ahead as planned, even though the authorities had been warned that its location in a valley made the risk of contamination stronger. Only pregnant women in the crowds of onlookers were approached by the secret service men and told to go home.

It's crazy to see how "Iron" the curtain was....Even the CIA had no clue....

@05Hogsrule

Жыл бұрын

Yea, CIA was filled with the same level of "Experts" as the Russians in their emergency plan, relatively speaking; like giving a monkey a driving license.

@goranpavlovic4289

Жыл бұрын

Yes but even that, Cia had many information, as seen in this video.

@thevictoryoverhimself7298

Жыл бұрын

Im mostly impressed that they had photographs of the destroyed reactor.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

Now you understand how hard it is to get any true indication of North Korea. The DMZ is FAR more effective barrier to information flow than the Iron Curtain was.

@matteoorlandi856

Жыл бұрын

The soviet had no idea as well...

It’s weird how much worse it actually was given what we know now

If i had these kind of video briefings i would be much better manager :) - did it take them 1 day to produce that motion picture?

Why is this video in everyones recommendations after 12 years? not complaining tho

Imagine getting personal video essays daily. The dream.

The cloud animation is rather slower than what could be measured in France already at the time

Came here after watching Chernobyl mini series.

@SpenserRoger

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah man! It's great, even if there's some artistic license. Telecon studio has a bunch of cool 9-15 min videos narrated by a guy who filmed and helped the clean up start to finish, with subtitles if you dig around a bit on the KZread channels of telecon. Plus they have a 3328 or some such title longer documentary. There's also a great documentary/reenactment filmed in Chernobyl powerplant. It's one of the best. There's also some independent stuff from women who live near by and go on trips there. And there's an old style website that discusses the exact disputed theory behind what happened, the test, etc. The background is yellow and it has to be translated, I think. Some videos done by a German nuclear scientist woman, and her American pal, they tour the reactor hall. Then theres some random cool stuff like an insane weird looking Ukrainian young guy with like a 3 letter user name that goes to the zone and gets wasted and stays in a secret nazi apartment lmao. Some short stuff about mutant collectors, stuff about the clock factory that was really a cover for secret nuclear submarine equipment manufacturing. Oh and dont forget to check out the duga 3 receiver and its little known transmitter. It used like 25% of Chernobyl's power! Otherwise known as the Russian Wordpecker! Oh and then theres all this creepy as fuck footage from this guy who gets all dressed up and runs into the sarcophagus and to the basement to film it and measure radiation. It's so radioactive still that you can see all this snow on his camera from the neutrons hitting the camera sensor. It's nearly. Oh and dont forget to check out a video on the elephants foot.

@ronaldtartaglia4459

5 жыл бұрын

Who gives a shit

Sometime in the early 90s I got shown a classified technical debrief from Naval Reactors on exactly what happened at Chernobyl. Those reactors were definitely not sailor-proof. Edit: In all fairness, I'm not certain their analysis was entirely correct either, but it was pretty obvious that reactor design was a disaster waiting to happen.

very optimistic, how many weeks have passed now?

"As soon as the site is safe to work in" (40 years later, a century-long containment dome is finished)

@samwallaceart288

11 ай бұрын

And then damaged by Russian operatives. Ukraine just can't catch a break.

Reactor aside, it’s wild how much high quality video footage the CIA had of the USSR

@evangorski7992

Жыл бұрын

Is it crazy tho… is it…😂

Can't wait for the Covid episode to be released. That is going to be a banger!

I wonder what happened to all those people in Pripyat who weren't evacuated immediately

@grahamariss2111

Жыл бұрын

They have had a history of poor health, but the health impact is not well understood because of the Soviet and subsequent Belarus and Russian policy of not keeping records that would allow such analysis and the negative health consequences from the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union. But there is compelling evidence of significant long term health consequences.

lol even the CIA uses the metric system

@5roundsrapid263

Жыл бұрын

The US military has been using it since the Korean War.

@tdpro3607

Жыл бұрын

imperial for everyday life, metric for serious stuff thats what i know

@tdpro3607

Жыл бұрын

​@@5roundsrapid263 i thought its way back in ww2 or even before that...they name gun calibers in mm, called late war shermans long 76

@yessir7147

Жыл бұрын

everyone knows that for scientific and military purposes, america uses metric. everyone also knows that in some circumstances, the imperial system is more applicable to average human lives, which is why americans still use it.

To be fair, only 2 people WERE dead from a direct result of the accident at that time(The two people killed by falling debris and steam burns in the initial explosion). The first death from ARS didn't occur until May 7th.

@skibididopyesdop

Жыл бұрын

More people died a minutes or hours after explosion due to lethal expose (for example a woman guarding the power plant checkpoint)

@kahlzun

Жыл бұрын

Thats the really scary thing about acute radiation, the 'walking ghost' phase.

@stevenobrien557

Жыл бұрын

​@@skibididopyesdop Yekaterina Ivanenko did not pass away for almost a month after.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenobrien557 Because it takes that long to die from the minimum lethal radiation dose. You have to receive an exposure of something like 50 times the lethal level to die in just a matter of days.

@stevenobrien557

Жыл бұрын

@@davidford3115 Yeah. And?

2:17 They got that wrong, but it was a prophetic because that was the situation which occurred at Fukushima.

6:07 Recently saw the HBO miniseries on this, was this the old man who, in the show, said they should seal off the city?

@petersmyczek2297

3 жыл бұрын

No, this gentleman and the actual "fact" was completely fabricated. The soviets have done everything to condemn the spread of information out of the site, but they haven't sealed off the city. Actually, it was even worse, the citizens were never told what really had have happened over at the NPP. Later after the evacuation, they have sealed it off, as the citizens were not allowed to come back again. The scene with the old guy was a deliberate exaggeration, a typical means to tell a more intrusive, shocking story. You can also check some of the great comparisons videos here on youtube, which are comparing some aspects of the series to the actual historically correct events. Just as a spoiler, the series does not everything 100% correct with respect to the real history of this disaster. But still, far more than enough to be an amazing piece of film, captivating and frightening as hell, isn't it?.

@lazymansload520

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Smyczek I found the series to be more analogous to Arthur Miller’s “the Crucible;” not entirely accurate but done so for the purpose of conveying a message pertinent to the present time.

@ilyatsukanov8707

Жыл бұрын

@@petersmyczek2297 It's a very good piece of propaganda, yes.

Incredible. President Ragan himself actually napped through this very briefing!

@JimmyRussle

Жыл бұрын

thats ok, Nancy was on the job with her Mystic guide.

@_SoCalDude_

Жыл бұрын

​@@JimmyRussle Just say no to nuclear energy guys! Problem solved! Now for that pesky War On Drugs...

@The-zh3nr

Жыл бұрын

@@_SoCalDude_ bla bla exhausted references to Reagan era drug policy bla bla will you chapo trap house type cucks ever grow up lmao

@AlphaCarinae

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you're making that up, got any proof?

Geez how positive this news report was

"Oh... and by the way... we assess the USSR has only 4 more years of life left in it before total collapse. Almost forgot to mention that part...."

« Does this video make sense to you? » « I was in the toilet. »

Better to be briefed than debriefed. If you know you know.

It's funny that they thought this was a Hydrogen explosion, but really it was a steam explosion that blew the reactor apart. Fukushima actually did have a hydrogen explosion

@jimfrazier8611

Жыл бұрын

There was Hydrogen in the blast too, and quite a bit in the core fire that followed. They kept trying to force water into a destroyed core, not realizing it was a lost cause.

@aluminium5738

Жыл бұрын

@@jimfrazier8611 That's a theory, there are several other theories as to the true nature of the second explosion.

@jimfrazier8611

Жыл бұрын

@@aluminium5738 yeah, it all entered the realm of conjecture once the power meters pegged at 33,000 MW.

they made a whole documentary to brief him.

Why do they use kilometers? I get that the original calculations were probably done using metric but why not to convert it to something more familiar for Regan after?

@Cx10110100

Жыл бұрын

Nobody in the world would prefer hearing somthing akin to 73,41 miles or 85714 feet

Does anyone know if there is some sort of emergency response setup by the UN or other organization if this accident were to repeat itself elsewhere in the world?

This aged well, they got most of it right despite Soviet censorship.

@gliiitched

Жыл бұрын

they’re the fucking CIA they funnel drugs into their own country to destroy black communities and prop up dictators that kill thousands and admit it they don’t care about rules and ‘soviet censorship’

So the intel agencies try to tailor their PDBs (presidential daily brief) to the costumer (sitting president) so it is fascinating that they felt Reagan needed a video format.

@lvoss4life

Жыл бұрын

He was a Hollywood actor after all

@samwallaceart288

11 ай бұрын

I remember anecdotes of intel officers having to summarize Trump's briefings, pages upon pages of geopolitical context, down to post-it notes.

Wow, they were really optimistic about how much this could be cleaned up and contained

@freighttrain7143

11 ай бұрын

Level-Headed Delivery of Limited Information is an attempt at accuracy above bias. It may sound like Optimism, but we know the folks delivering this information were IN NO WAY optimistic about the Soviets.

The start of the video describes exactly what happened at Fukushima.

Nice video. Imagine if there was a quiz after.

@Peter_S_

Жыл бұрын

He would say he 'didn't recall' the answer and get a complete pass.

This is like Reading Rainbow for the president!

@rareblues78daddy

9 жыл бұрын

LazyEyeCrazyI Look who it was made for.

@akgeronimo501

8 жыл бұрын

+rareblues78daddy Yes. At least he would have watched it. This idiot we have now would be trying to get some climate change bullshit out there.

@rareblues78daddy

8 жыл бұрын

akgeronimo501 Still not happy there's a black man in the White House, huh? Has he taken your guns yet?

@akgeronimo501

8 жыл бұрын

rareblues78daddy Could care less about the half white man that is in office. No he won't take my guns. When that attempt is made you will and your kind (liberals) will wish you had left well enough alone. It will in fact make Bosnia look like a 4-H camp. Good luck to you.

@akgeronimo501

8 жыл бұрын

LazyEyeCrazyI If they do come for them then they had better be trained. If they aren't then if they aren't careful they may find me. A man who would support a socialist is calling other people retarded.

They were so optimistic 😢

Hydrogen explosion.... if only.

@FvZz1623

5 жыл бұрын

James Parsons ???

After watching the HBO series on Chernobyl you can really understand how bad this was and how bad the USSR did at cleaning it up and keeping people safe. Some of those guys working in the main reactor died within days and some others died years later, which is even scarier to think about

@edherdman9973

Жыл бұрын

The HBO series also took some big liberties, like making guys look like zombies from radiation (in the style of The Day After, a Reagan favorite of sorts, and Day of the Comet). In practice they would suffer and die without looking too bad until the end.

@fredharvey2720

Жыл бұрын

Excellent and very sad series

@fredharvey2720

Жыл бұрын

​@@edherdman9973 The Day After actually was made to smear Reagan

@thevictoryoverhimself7298

Жыл бұрын

Russia is a joke culture lol Im not a bot. Im an actual human mocking them

@Withnail1969

Жыл бұрын

A television drama series is not fact.

4:26 Ah... I just love the tingling feeling of radiation in the morning, it feels like good ol' Soviet nostalgia.

Its like a time machine, you see what people knew 30 years ago,pretty cool

And again, I must said, that is not right. Actually they tried to stop a reactor from heating up, but not with the coolant (it's too slow for that cause). They tried to lower "effective multiplication factor" by lowering the control rods into reactor, but that induced some unexpected reaction known as "positive void coefficient". Reactor became supercritical and exploded. It was discovered many years later, so CIA didn't know that in 1986 and offered a simplified version of this event.

@foryourlugsonly

5 жыл бұрын

Was a pretty good simplified "estimate" they even say it's their best estimate. And estimate is a guess. Not a known fact.

@Nightmare200X

5 жыл бұрын

The personal were under trained and didn't know about the positive void coefficients nor about the granite tips on the control rods, thanks to the KGB removing the useful information. The possibility of instability of the RBMK reactor and explosion wasn't even a possible consideration because the KGB thought that why worry about something that isn't going to happen.

@stephanierando3477

3 жыл бұрын

You've got to remember that a lot of this was purely speculative because the USSR was doing their best to make it not seem as bad as it was. It was not until after the fall of the USSR and Boris Yeltsin allowing foreign scientists to go take a look that facts became known about what happened at Chernobyl.

@StelzCat

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephanierando3477 well, the thing is that it wasn't actually as bad as it if portrayed in media nowadays, for the same reason USSR is always portrayed as bad actor anywhere possible. That is because US has its own history of failures in nuclear safety, not to talk about disaster in Japan, so it has the reason to engage in misleading and speculation. Take Bikini Atoll, which has possibly resulted in similar amounts and contamination and victims, but it is not even remotely as advertised.

@pietrooliani3251

Жыл бұрын

@@StelzCat well yes and no, at fukushima no radiation related death happened (although many died for the hearthquake and subsequent tsunami), and at bikini it wasn't a powerplant, it was a bomb (2 actually), we can argue about the irrespnsability of blowing up an atoll for an experiment, but a nuclear ACCIDENT on the scale of chernobyl never happened before and has never heppened after, and that was precisly because of the corruption and willingliness to cut corners and ignore safety protocol present in the soviet union at the time

"Worst Nuclear disaster in history" "The older units, #1 and #2, could be brought online as soon as the site is safe to work in" Haha, that last line puts into perspective the limits of what they actually knew .

@harryhall4001

Жыл бұрын

They said in the video it could take them years, pretty sure they fired them up again in days or months. I really don't think they cared that much that it wasn't quite safe for the reactor operators.

@SporeMurph

Жыл бұрын

They actually did continue to run the other reactors at Chernobyl decades after the accident. The last was only shut down a few years ago.

@WastedSpecifics

Жыл бұрын

@@SporeMurph Yes, however it was December 2000 for the permanent shutdown of the last one

@ATact1calP0tat0

11 ай бұрын

how? the rest of the working reactors WERE almost immediately put back into service

This tape will self destruct in….

7:30 Who was drawing these maps? The Portuguese west coast isn't slanted

Reagan: At what time, the Cartwrights do appear? I betcha Hoss gotta do something!

Ironic that this assessment postulated that the accident was caused by loss of power when it was later learned that the accident was caused by a safety test that _simulated_ loss of power (plus gross incompetence).

Why does it feel like an after-school special?

Hi, would it be possible to add English closed captioning for this video, please? I am deaf and am interested in history. Thanks!

@johnnylongfeather3086

Жыл бұрын

Use an app

@samwallaceart288

11 ай бұрын

​@@johnnylongfeather3086using 2 apps on your phone? Fuck that

Hi there, I'm interested in licensing some of this footage for a television show - in exchange we can give you a credit. Would that be possible? Please let me know :)

Turns out the reason for the accident was poor design using graphite as a moderator at the end of the fuel rods.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

Among other things. There is a reason why most graphite reactors are only used sparingly and for research, not day to day operations. Admiral Hyman G. Rickover knew what he was doing when he picked water moderated reactors.

@CompatibilityMadness

Жыл бұрын

There is no single reason. You need at least two things for this accident to occur : 1) Poorly executed preparations for the safety test (which make reactor unstable, and very sensitive to any changes in cooling flows) 2) Reactor has to have a hidden design flaw you mentioned, which operators are unaware of at the time Otherwise, there would be A LOT more RBMKs of this type blowing up across USSR.

@aluminium5738

Жыл бұрын

If I asked you to draw a simple sketch of the control rods would you be able to do it?

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

@@CompatibilityMadness The Windscale Reactor fire was a graphite moderated disaster. The lesser-known Saint-Laurent accident and Vandellòs incident were also graphite reactors. The point is that using graphite makes for an inherently dangerous design.

@CompatibilityMadness

Жыл бұрын

@@davidford3115 Windscale was politics driven disaster by trying to make 1MT bomb and utilising 1-st gen enriching facilities (pushing them beyond designed limits with tritium production).

OK KZread ALGORITHM I WILL FINALLY WATCH IT... PLEASE STOP RECOMMENDING THIS TO ME

Funny. The initial thought was it looked more like Fukushima’s loss of power.

They used lots of post effects and screen animation that wasn't common to tv. Makes you think.

@davidford3115

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. A lot of commentators are judging this by today's standards rather than the capabilities and standards of the time. In the private sector, only Disney could have produced something of this quality in the 80s.

@samwallaceart288

11 ай бұрын

The best tech is military-industrial first, consumer second. The new stuff we got now was stuff financed by the military 20 years ago; and there's crazy shit that exists right now that will get released for public consumption after 2040. It's hand-me-down rules. They only give away the cool shit because they themselves are upgrading to the next thing.

I find it really interesting that they went with the propaganda answer, as they obviously didn't know ALL of the horrible design flaws of the RBMK reactor. That it was made so close to the event also would have shrouded it in a bit of mystery. A fascinating piece of history.

@Limrasson

Жыл бұрын

I think we have to consider that this was a presentation for the President, whom would have to act/speak on it with a politically correct manner. The purpose of this briefing is to prepare the president to act/react on the matter and whatever else in entails.

3:41 "They are plausible. Assuming there was time to evacuate most personnel before the explosion." If only we knew how bad it was.