"Christians don't understand the character of God" | Stefan - Brooklyn, NY | Atheist Experience
(Part 2/2.) Continuation of the discussion with Stefan from Brooklyn, NY. Stefan thinks that most Christians don't understand the true character of God. He also believes that the God of the Bible did not endorse slavery in the Bible.
Excerpt from The Atheist Experience #668 of August 1, 2010, with Matt Dillahunty and AronRa. (Topic: viewer calls).
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never take on Aron Ra and Matt Dilahunty at the same time
@CRAFTE.D
7 жыл бұрын
Why? Two people making bad arguments doesn't make anyone of them sound.
@michaeldobson107
7 жыл бұрын
Which argument was bad? Please, do tell.
@archkarr18
7 жыл бұрын
Iron/Pacifist ....Nobody can out bible them..they are prepared. ..how?..By actually having read the bible probably several times... (unlike at least half the callers on their show!)...I go so far as saying most christians have gotten most of their bible knowledge from Christmas stories/movies on tv (like..Ben hur, greatest story ever told, the robe, the 10 commandments..etc...) and their little kiddie bible story books they got as a child, about mary and Joseph and the baby jesus (and the cute lambs and donkey).those shows are only rated PG. ..the bible would be more like (at least)..rated R, for violence and sexual slavery. and about being a good person while you do it!
@CRAFTE.D
7 жыл бұрын
Arch, did you really come here to... Never mind.
@CRAFTE.D
7 жыл бұрын
Well? Respond.
It's simple: when the Bible says something I don't like, in that instance it really means the opposite of what it just said. God allows this because he's mysterious.
@alphabetsoup583
5 жыл бұрын
uncleanunicorn when the Bible says something I don't like, it usually means there's something within me that needs checked.
@roqsteady5290
5 жыл бұрын
Alphabet Soup sounds like there is something inside of you that needs a reality check
@aikerd9
4 жыл бұрын
@@alphabetsoup583 Would you tell your son to murder his child in order to test his obedience to you? Wouldn't you think that God, being an all-knowing all-seeing creator, would have a better way to test somebody's faith than _that?_
@ianalan4367
4 жыл бұрын
@@alphabetsoup583 + 1
@ianalan4367
4 жыл бұрын
@@aikerd9 Just an FYI: Genesis 22 doesn’t really have anything to do with Abraham’s faith. Abraham clearly knew Isaac was not going to die. The verse is about Isaac more than Abraham and the “lamb” that God would provide. It is a sealing of the covenant and a for shadow of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for mankind. At least that is the interpretation that’s been taught for some 2K years now. I am not as knowledgeable of the Jewish teaching of the verse.
The caller haven't read his Bible but advices an ex-baptist who studied it for 2 decades to read it more carefully. How dishonest is that.
@jacobjorgenson9285
5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to religion
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
Precisely as DIShonest as the rest of " christianity " .........................
@voiceoftruth2646
5 жыл бұрын
Studying it and KNOWING it are two different things. Two decades is a JOKE when it comes to the Bible. Scholars who spent their ENTIRE LIFE in the word are still learning where they were wrong on things, learning new things etc. So thinking that 2 lousy decades makes a person infallible, all knowing, beyond mistakes and beyond ever being wrong about anything just shows your ignorance. Besides, the Spirit of the Lord constantly is revealing NEW things. So when an atheist who doesn't have the Spirit acts as though he knows it all in the Bible, that's when I REALLY laugh!!!
@Boss_Isaac
4 жыл бұрын
@@voiceoftruth2646 The Holy Spirit, or the Spirit of the Lord as you refer to it, is a fictional entity, as is Yahweh.
@voiceoftruth2646
4 жыл бұрын
@@Boss_Isaac That's a claim, care to PROVE IT?
How is it that when talking about a man who walked on water & ascended to heaven, thats supposed to be taken literally, but suddenly when a LAW comes up that blatantly lays out its strict rules and guidelines, suddenly it has to be read "in context".
4:45 "When you start making excuses for atrocities, you have removed yourself from any valid discussion on morals." These sorts of basic assertions are at the very core of secular humanist ethics. We don't need, nor want some superhuman authority defining what is moral for us.
@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube
5 жыл бұрын
Especially when we know better then this so called god
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
So how do you base morality??
@clif26
Жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 what a stupid question. come on. you can't answer that yourself? if you can't answer that question, you should probably check yourself.
"it gets better than that, he is saying his god failed at communication of the most important message" ROFL Aron, you are a god.
@davidsosa538
6 жыл бұрын
Booom!
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
Id rather conclude that people failed to understood god's message. By definition it's people that are fallable and not god. I often hear Matt accuse relgious people of slight of hand arguments (often justified), now this is one made by Matt and Aron.
@PGraveDigger1
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlacksmithTWD "By definition it's people that are fallable and not god." If people are by definition fallable, and god made people, why did god make fallable people? Why did god actively choose to make people that can fail to understand his message?
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
@@PGraveDigger1 Why think I got the answer to that question? And even if I were to have an answer for you, as a human being I'm fallible, so my answer could be wrong. I can only know about what I experience, to know God entirely would mean to know at least all experiences of all humans ever alive. Cosmologist can only speak about the visible part of the universe we live in, hence they are just as incapable of answering questions about the whole universe. That's in a worldview restricted to materialism. Why do you expect me to know things about an even larger world that isn't restricted to materialism. But if you actually want to start the quest to get somewhat of an answer to your question, then consider this question: What property/characteristic do humans have that God lacks?
@PGraveDigger1
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlacksmithTWD You saying that you don't have answers to my question proves that the god you believe in failed in communication. If he hadn't failed to communicate you would know the answers. As to your question to me, I don't believe in god, so asking what property or characteristic humans have that god lacks is nonsensical.
Matt and Aron , two men mean atheist factories , cannot be beaten
@steveswangler6373
4 жыл бұрын
they cant be beaten because they speak from facts and truth. they don't need to make crap up or make excuses for the crap others made up.
@ericscaillet6087
3 жыл бұрын
being beaten is not the point really ,besides never underestimate your foe how ever weak or powerfull.
Ten years later now. This shit still holds up! Following them this long and to still see those old videos pop up I get a sense of appreciation to see these logical men still work so hard for truth and honesty
@brucebaker810
3 жыл бұрын
About 10-12 years for me too. Ditto. Cheers mate
@marlyndonnelly2206
6 ай бұрын
13 yrs later!
Skepticism is a purification process that aids in the process of refining truth.
@davidhatcher7016
6 жыл бұрын
true
@hammalammadingdong6244
5 жыл бұрын
Well... I don't know... I'm skeptical...
Touche'. It happened to me also. When I was attending Wayland Baptist University I had to take two core courses; The Old and the New Testament. We had to read the Bible from cover to cover. I kept saying the same thing; "This wasn't what I was taught in Sunday school." Now I am an Atheist.
@pallejensen9484
10 ай бұрын
Welcome to the real world buddy. Ur more than welcome 😁
wow, i didn't knew Aron-Ra have participated to The Atheist Experience, awesome!
@elainejohnson6955
4 жыл бұрын
Aron has been on with Tracie too.
@Mark73
3 жыл бұрын
Someone once called in talking about Aron Ra. He was sitting in the studio at the time so they called him over to the desk to talk to the guy himself.
@BuddhaAtheist29
3 жыл бұрын
Stefan doesn't realize that these guys have studied the bible way more then he has. I find is so annoying how Christians assume that atheist have never read the bible.
@gagetaylor192
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuddhaAtheist29 Most atheists are atheists because they ACTUALLY read the bible.
In a Star Wars-themed comparison, this is the theological equivalent of having both Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker coming at you with lightsabers while you are armed with a butter knife.
Stefan hasn't got a clue. AronRa ripped him apart, quoting passages left and right. Stefan was floundering. Love it when christians try and throw 'you ddon't know the bible' to the hosts. Most hosts know the bible better than the callers.
@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube
5 жыл бұрын
Well you know who's actually read the bivle because they are athiest
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
I dont see how anything is wrong by doing those things they were talking about?? could you Help me a little to see
@soupdragonuk
4 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 That comment is 4 years ago. How the hell am I supposed to remember what context I wrote in?
@sayakoro
4 жыл бұрын
@@soupdragonuk I believe in you David
@DuckInGameStop
3 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 are you saying you don't understand what's wrong with slavery? if so, what the fuck is wrong with you?
If you're doubting your faith as a Christian, *read the Bible* - not just the parts you like best, but the entire thing from cover to cover, beginning to end. I went to the Bible this way hoping to save my soul from the burning doubts, and I was freed from some of my ignorance enough to shed my fears. If all you read are your favorite passages... If all you do is open to a random page looking for god to point you in a certain direction, you aren't getting the full message. Once you understand how immoral the message is... You'll appreciate reading it for yourself.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
Immoral how please explain the basics
@gokblok
3 жыл бұрын
Lol you mean "look at it in context" ironically
I love when AronRa is on the show. I always saw Matt as kind of the powerhouse of TAE but when AronRa is on, it's like having 2 powerhouses.
@foxfuzzbox1541
10 жыл бұрын
If you're good at it, god is your self.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
@@foxfuzzbox1541 we should give them a loud "coungratulations" for them at least trying to be gods,even if they are poor ones
Aronra is like Matt from a parallel universe
@Syklonus
5 жыл бұрын
It's like watching a split screen with Matt wearing a wig on one side. Their delivery is almost identical.
@EvaneHadley
5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha god this is so true 😂
@Nodrodsky
4 жыл бұрын
False.He is just Matt with hair.
@ralfhaggstrom9862
4 жыл бұрын
Or vice versa ................
@wkworld6741
4 жыл бұрын
@John Digsby provide one piece of provable and testable evidence that God actually exists other than faith- which is the belief in something without evidence. If you can't then everything you wrote is irrelevant. The reason why the atheist experience hosts always make most of the callers look so foolish is when it comes down to it they don't have any valid reason for why they believe in God apart from its based on faith or indoctrination at a young age. There have been tens of thousands of religions across the world and not once has any of them been proven.
I absolutely love these people. It's so reassuring to know there are rational and intelligent people in the world.
Fascinating to hear the increasing desperation in these callers voices as one by one their props are knocked out from under them.
I absolutely love Matt!!!! He crush every caller 😂
In flipping through KZread, how can you not stop and watch when you see these two side by side. Kinda like two titans bringing it! I love this.
these two guys are epic. just intelligent and inspiring. you need to know your stuff before you have a swing.
@ericscaillet6087
3 жыл бұрын
exactly and that goes for most disciplines.
If you listen to Stefan in the multiple times he has called the show, he perfectly shows how some christians think
"Yeah, the bible says that...but it means something completely different..." XDXDXD Classic...
I always respond, "Give me the context, then." Most of them are merely parroting pastors and professional apologists.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
So what Is "modern context" of morality??let me guess lets not hurt anyone or lets all be happy hahaha what a nonsense
If god is damn OMNIPRESENT, it should be no problem to simply SHOW UP - everywhere at once. . As it is "he" can't even show up ONE place at once!!
@LiborTinka
7 жыл бұрын
Christian answer: "He is there, just look at the trees." :)
@oriondogofwar3517
7 жыл бұрын
Libor Tinka lol yup
@johncaruso4472
5 жыл бұрын
Your all very shallow in thought.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
Its very possible he actually did, look at mount Sinai pics (the top of it) the top Is black as if great energy was there
hi gentlemen excuse my English as i am certain that this could be better expressed if i spoke a better English but here goes. apologies for a very late response to just suggest the following: - your arguments are so pristine in logic that the poor religious chappy had no ground to stand on. - amazingly when the swamp water was swallowing him whole, the young christiaaan man became so dishonest by not answering any questions put to him. All he did was to re-model his arguments hoping that his stand would disappear somehow. Messieurs, i have listened to many of your past shows, and - you are part of my education in understanding that truth is simply that, - you are the best way for a person to grow intellectually and in understanding that the principles we live with are generally quite cut and dry. i.e.: you accept slavery or not and hiding the facts makes you complicit as a slave owner Thank you for your incredible show and teaching. pierre
@randomhumanoidblob4506
8 жыл бұрын
Monsieur, your English is infinitely better than that of many natives for whom its a first language :-)
@pierreloubris766
8 жыл бұрын
Grumpyand Bored Sir Thank you for your response and it is very kind of you to suggest that my english comprehensible. Tres grentil et un grand merci pierre
@Brvnkaerv
7 жыл бұрын
ILLUDE LATINAE DICI NON POTEST.
@pierreloubris766
7 жыл бұрын
Handy Capo thank you
@saitouhajime3
4 жыл бұрын
While I'm 3 years late to this, just let me say that your comment is better than most. Thank you for your honesty. And remember: the truth has nothing to fear from investigation.
These episodes are timeless
You cant argue with AronRa he will destroy you!!!! Woot GO ARONRA!!!!!
@xenon5455
9 жыл бұрын
carmelo mizzi =🐖-ignorance.
@benko916
9 жыл бұрын
carmelo mizzi Yep your right. God does not exist and the Entire Christian Religion is a MYTH like all other RELIGIONS CREATED ON EARTH!!! Why is yours correct and the others are wrong? Why is the Religion that you believe in the right one?? Why?? How come you ignore all the other religions past and present and only decide that yours is correct?? Have you even read the Bible?? Have you?? Can you tell me what the difference between the Old Testament and New Testament is?? Can you tell me when they were written? Christianity is NOT the same for every Christian, Which Version do you believe in? And why?? Can you answer that? What happened to Christianity after the Protestant Reformation? How did the First and Second Great Awakening affect religion in America???? Name ONE person who Wrote about Jesus while he was still alive?? Can you?? NOPE BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY!!! NOBODY EVER WROTE ABOUT JESUS DURING THE TIME HE LIVED!!!!! IN Fact Modern Historians are starting to doubt his Historicity all together.... How do you feel about that??> Your god is not real Your god is fake Your religion is a myth Jesus is NOT GOD Jesus if he was alive was just a normal man Exodus Never happened and ALL Historians Agree!!!! Moses NEVER Existed, and ALL HISTORIANS AGREE!!! YOUR RELIGION IS A MYTH!! GOD DOES NOT EXIST THAT IS TRUTH!!!!!! ARONRA WOULD DESTROY YOU!!! EVOLUTION IS TRUE!!! EVOLUTION IS TRUE!! GLOBAL WARMING EXISTS AND IS HAPPENING!! YOU ARE IGNORANT FOR DENYING MODERN SCIENCE AND GLOBAL WARMING!!!! EVOLUTION IS TRUE!!!! THERE WILL NEVER BE A RAPTURE!!!! JESUS IS NEVER COMING BACK GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL BUT PLEASE HAVE A GOOD DAY!!! GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!! MORE PEOPLE EVERY DAY ARE BECOMING ATHEISTS, HUMANISTS, NATURALISTS, SECULARISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND NOT CHRISTIANS!! CHRISTIANITY TECHNICALLY STARTED IN IRAN!!!!!!!! BECAUSE IT BORROWED ALL OF ITS CENTRAL MYTHS FROM ZOROASTRIANISM, ITS TRUE!!!! ITS TOTALLY TRUE!!! THERE WILL NEVER BE A RAPTURE AND JESUS IS NEVER COMING BACK!!!!!!! Because the PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, MEANT THAT JESUS WOULD COME BACK IN THEIR LIFE TIMES!!!!! NOT 2000 YEARS LATER!!!!! THE FIRST WRITING OF JESUS COMES 40 YEARS AFTER HE SUPPOSEDLY LIVED in 70 C.E. BY PAUL, AKA SAUL, IN THE LETTERS OF PAUL. THEN NOT AGAIN UNTIL THE GOSPEL OF MARK AROUND 100 C.E. SO FOR 40 to 70 YEARS EVERYONE FORGOT ABOUT JESUS!!! THERE WAS NEVER ANYONE WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS WHILE HE WAS ALIVE!!! IF SO THEN NAME ONE!!! NAME ONE PERSON!!! I have a religious Studies Minor and A Bachelors in History (Currently Working on my Masters Degree) At CSUS California State University of Sacramento. Can you even debate me? I know a lot about Christianity because I am heavily interested in Theology, ALL RELIGIONS!! I am an Atheist because I reject all MYTHOLOGY Equally. I have read the bible several times even in its original Greek Language. SO buckle up if you think you can actually debate me, I would LOVE to debate you on Religion. But I actually use Facts and Historical Data, I just dont MAKE SHIT UP that sounds nice. If you start making shit up that sounds good, then this Debate is over and YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED to DEBATE ME!!!!!!! Think about it because I wont play nice. But I have nothing against you personally. I only have something against the belief system. Okay this is not a Personal Attack only an attack on the Belief System that has PLAGUED HUMANITY For way to long!! Its Time for Christians to be held accountable for their actions!!! CHRISTIANITY HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ALL WARS COMBINED!!! CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE HATRED OF LGBT TODAY AND THE SUPPRESSION OF KNOWLEDGE, AND STOP TELLING WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are some good Christians out there, so dont get me wrong, there are a lot of really good Christians. But there are just as many bad ones as well...... Westboro baptist Church, Pat Robertson, Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Ted Haggard, to name a few What do you actually believe? We have to start there, What kind of Christian are you? Please just tell me what are your beliefs because Christians are not all the same, There are 40 thousand different denominations of Christianity. You guys do not even agree on the little things but claim you are all right and everyone is wrong, so what do you actually believe?
@jilliansmith7123
7 жыл бұрын
Acey Da Spaceman: You are so awesome. Wish I knew you in person and could watch you talk to theists like Matt and AronRa talk to this guy! It would be so intensely cool! Wishing you the best, and solidarity with you in rejecting all MYTHS!
@HoichiTheEarless
6 жыл бұрын
Acey Da Spaceman Tell us how you really feel... No more coffee and monster energy drinks for you until he responds =)
@adegokeshalom607
3 жыл бұрын
@@benko916 I love you man
Aron Ra and Matt what a team!!!
You two should have been tag team wrestlers 🤼♂️ .long may you both reign 🇪🇸
These two are legends 🤩
I am learning logical reasoning from these 2 guys. They are really good at it.
when I hear theists say as a xtian, I hear , "i have no grasp on critical thinking , I have given up my ablity
Its 2021 now. We need more Aron Ra and Matt colabs.
Two of my favorite people right here.
Typical tap dancing Christian. Nothing new here folks.... move along lol
It's curious how angels names - from the Kingdom of Heaven - follow the same language pattern as the Hebrew structure! Lol. They all end with "el", Just like...hummm... ISRAEL, for example. Are you starting to get it? Those names were not invented in Heaven, they were invented right down here on good old Earth, more precisely where the Hebrew speakers always existed (Israel and Palestine) yes, since they never travelled the world and never saw anything past their stupid deserts (wich accounts for why the Bible doesn't teach a single thing about the real worldwide planet).
@qhsperson
9 жыл бұрын
And Kal-el. Don't forget him.
@hellshade2
9 жыл бұрын
qhsperson lol that was my first thought too
@zigzzagz5732
9 жыл бұрын
Actually only 5 angels named in the bible, Abbadon, Satan, Beelzebul, Gabriel, and Michael. So most actually not -el. I can't think of a great lot of Hebe names offhand but none of the ones I can think of end in -el....Joshua, Mary, Mariamne, Ruth, Moses, Saul, Abednego, Noah. That isn't to say they didn't knock off the book from scratch, just shown the -el ending doesn't fit. Actually there is a really good non religious documentary on the writing of the old testament in which they apply archaeology, science, and writing styles found in the bible to back up the conclusion they make that the final version of the OT was likely compiled by 3 different individuals around the time the Jews were in Babylon and that it was compiled from smaller scraps of writings, examples of which have been found going back to the earliest version of Hebe script. Actually a really interesting doc and done on a purely historical basis which neither promotes not attempts to refute what the book asserts.
@humbertojimmy
9 жыл бұрын
Zigz Zagz That's because you "happened" to pick names that did not end with "el", but there are plenty of other names that do. Anyway, more than in people's proper names, Hebrew laguage uses the "el" terminology in casual verbs and nouns, and that's what angels names are, they are supposed to say something, to be like a little sentence (ex: the light bringer, the message carrier, etc). If you want more angel names i can give you a list. I have a little church book with a list of supposed angels, with their names and the story behind them.
@zigzzagz5732
9 жыл бұрын
Like I said, just the names I could think of
I'm actually quite curious to how apologists attempt to rationalize this... Well, I'm off to answers in genesis to get a good laugh.
@LamirLakantry
10 жыл бұрын
Okay, that was funny. Answers in genesis simply points to the slavery in America and say that the bible says nothing against black people. Basically pretending to answer the question when actually avoiding the entire issue. It then goes on to claim that people who used the bible to justify owning slaves were not actually christians. The irony, cowardes and dishonesty is staggering. They sum up by pointing out that slavery was common at that time and place and that god chose to put down rules about owning slaves instead of opposing it directly. I think this is what the caller was attempting to point out. At least this is a somewhat honest answer, but it really shows how feeble a god they believe in and how the bible can not be applicable to any modern society.
@davids11131113
9 жыл бұрын
Right, they justify any of the barbaric directives of God to his little 'chosen tribe' there by lying and spinning.
@MrJoeyWheeler
9 жыл бұрын
EE Ehrenberg The general apologetic is to claim that it's about indentured servitude, while ignoring that A) Indentured servants are not *property for life* like Biblical slaves and B) An indentured servant doesn't have an oar borne into his ear because he wants to stay with a wife his master gave him.
I love to see Matt and Aron Ra! I can never grow tired of this duo!
How does Aron Ra not have his own cable talk show?
Such a slaughter.. It's beautiful.
My two favorite atheist after Christopher Hitchens. 👍🙂👍
@michaelbellini3946
4 жыл бұрын
Same 💪
@landrewmackinnon4888
4 жыл бұрын
Also same
I can't even imagine the masochism it takes to try arguing with these two at the same time. "Hmm, I feel like being absolutely humiliated today. What to do, what to do..."
Actually putting the verses in the annotations, I'm impressed.
So can the "context" be used to dismiss every description of sin in the Bible? Perhaps the passages on homosexuality also have "context" that makes them irrelevant--or is "context" only allowed to be used as an apology for the parts of the Bible you disavow, and not the actions you are giddy to judge? Can these Christians take a yellow highlighter to all sections of the Bible that have "context" and can be ignored, and then use another color to show the sections that are the unerring literal word of God so that we know which is which? According to them, it's all God's words, but somehow they know what he meant and didn't mean and they are qualified to interpret the word of God--even as they are allegedly being literal and fundamental. They can seemingly have the morals be absolute and relative, be both literal and open to interpretation and "context."
I thought Fred Astaire could tap dance.
Still after 10years the best session available
Matt, you and your cohost just got a new fan. Its awesome to listen to your logical chain og reasoning. Please save me from stupidity! :)
"Hehehehehe" AronRa, 1:48
@dontafk9809
3 жыл бұрын
He's like a goth Santa. Lol
you guys are amazing and if it wasn't for this beautiful humanist movement, the middle east wouldn't have had any enlightenment youtubers to talk about the topic.
Aron and Matt at their absolute best!
The vast amount of Christians seem to not understand their own holy books, and draw conclusions based on their personal interpretation and pass this off as divine 🤔
The slavery texts are the perfect way to take apart Christian arguments.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
Why,Is there something bad in slavery maybe??please explain I would really like to know
@gokblok
3 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 derp
@nemanjanikolic636
3 жыл бұрын
@@gokblok you are making it sound as if objective morality exists,let me make it clear... it doesnt.Morality Is taught.
@gokblok
3 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 derp derp
@nemanjanikolic636
3 жыл бұрын
@@gokblok Is rape wrong,answer me that?
Watching theists spin their mental wheels trying to apologize and justify the Bible is awkward and funny. You can hear the conflict when they know they’re caught.
The best way to figure out how to be a “true Christian” and “read the Bible correctly” is to subjectively interpret the Bible in the way you feel is correct and aligns with your preferences.
World champion in mental gymnastics is Stefan from Brooklyn.
If anyone has any questions about just why the Human race is so violent and war torn, all they have to do is read the bible. It's SUCH a shame that the human race was abducted by these terrible ideologies, because if we had not been, then we may have already found life on other planets and we wouldn't have so much misery and suffering. All a person has to do is take a look at the state of mankind and compare it to what the bible teaches, and it's clear why we are a violent war like species of animal.
@badgerdog4809
7 жыл бұрын
Randy Tyson Did not satan start war and strife by rebelling against God, attempting to overthrow God and steal his rightful place in heaven? Didn't Satan also cause Adam&Eve to sin and bring war and pestilence to the earth and mankind? You best get your facts and history straight here. Remember that Satan has ways of twisting things around here making evil appear to be good and vice versa.
@iAMJaws
7 жыл бұрын
youre funny lmfao. "get your facts straight". this is just too funny
@MegzeeR
7 жыл бұрын
Please share with us your proof that satan exists OTHER than it's in the bible. The bible is just a book. Just like Grimms fairy tales or Charlotte's Web. I don't believe that bears can talk or spiders write words on their web defending the life of a pig and yet you use the same type of evidence for your claims.
@randysnewbiebluesrockguita7782
7 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as Satan, it is a human construct created to keep people in line.
@randysnewbiebluesrockguita7782
7 жыл бұрын
You must have responded to a different post and mistook it for mine. Because where are you getting the idea that I believe in a Satan?
Damon Aaron is a beast
I really like that you provided the quote in the annotation. Nicely done.
Old clips are always the best clips
These guys are great. I tried asking a theist why an omnipotent being would allow all the pain and suffering and atrocities, and he chalked it all up to free will. I quickly got tired and gave up.
@mhaurora1368
8 жыл бұрын
When they bring up free will you could respond with the following: An action that one person performs with their free will, can deny someone else's free will. You could use an example of a serial killer murdering someone. God allows the serial killer to have the free will to murder someone, but this same action denies and disregards the free will of the person being murdered. Therefore God's system of allowing free will is faulty. You could also argue that there are certain situations where denying someone the ability to do something is more moral than letting them do it, for example stopping someone when they are about to cross the road because they haven't seen a car coming.
@dbzgal04
7 жыл бұрын
Another similar common canned excuse: "because Adam and Eve chose to sin and disobey God." That doesn't change to common teaching that God is all-knowing and even knows the future, therefore He had to know Adam and Eve would disobey Him and the rest of humanity would suffer and sin.
@BluePiggy
7 жыл бұрын
dbzgal04 Good point. So basically, we've all been set up to sin and thus suffer his retribution. Such a loving god.
@ianalan4367
7 жыл бұрын
Christianity would agree God did know what mankind (Adam & Eve) would do. He could have simply not created us then. Fortunately (I think) He instead created us, allowing our fall, and set a plan of restoration for each and everyone. Of course this is as it has always been; a choice of our own free will. Many such as I once did will deny His very existence. Many others will never even seek to find. That is also our choice to make. The Kingdom of God could not exist without such a choice. Peace to all!
@BluePiggy
7 жыл бұрын
Ian Alan And why, pray tell, couldn't "the Kingdom of God" exist without such a choice? God is either omnipotent, or he isn't. Also, where do you get your information?
I don’t care if they believe that God condoned slavery… but at least be honest about what your holy book says.
what first caused me to abandon my faith in christianity, and become atheist was the week I decided to abandon my label as an independant fundamentralist baptist, and be a nondenominational christian and reread the new testament with an open mind and rely on prayer to understand the proper interpretation. the result wa, that it was clear to me because of the contradictions in the doctrines concerning salvation, then i realized thinkng back of the old testament of how clear it was that the bible wno more credible than any other religion. now 2 years later after all that I have learned and realized about the world(earth) itself, and the history of us humans and realized everything concerning theology has been made up all along, and the errors in the claims in the bible have more more merit for truth about reality than even greek mythology. ancient barbaric egotistical men made it all up and the claims about reality in these scriptures shows that no god ever influenced any of it.
Matt and aron. Tough luck for the callers
No matter how many people like Aronra and Matt there are, great free thinkers, great speakers, great people all around we will never be able to exercise the demon of religion from the minds of our species. We are a species with such promise, such capability yet we squander it killing each other over fairy tales and bedtime stories. It truly and deeply saddens me to come to this realization that religious people don't want to inhabit reality, they don't want the peace that they claim they stand for as they violently suppress dissenting opinions and other groups their god doesn't like for whatever reason. I have tried to help a lot of people to see through this delusion and they refuse to stop running in circles through their taught "arguments". Their eyes glass over and they stare into space, they have the glossy eyed stare of a manikin, a programmed animatronic creature with no real life just the electricity of fear that animates them.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
Whoah first time hearing war and killing Is bad...never knew that until I read the Bible
awesome hair on that guy on the left
@RanEncounter
8 жыл бұрын
you should look some of his youtube videos. He has some great topics. He is AronRa.
@jessepaul1389
8 жыл бұрын
+randomer24700 thought you meant the guy on the right
@TheGamingCathedral
8 жыл бұрын
+randomer24700 Ikr, it almost looks computer animated at times.
Hello, it seemed relevant when I wrote it. I am reading all the comments and listening to the show. I am new to this and am astounded by the callers and fascinated by the hosts. In 'real life' the disagreements are not necessary as they cause unrest, although this does not stop preachers. This is a public forum FOR debate. Of course we are rarely going to agree.
There is just some stuff you can't take out of context or misinterpret.
If you read the bible the way you'd read any other book on morality, it becomes the very best path to atheism. the only way to keep your faith after reading the bible is to shut off your entire brain and sense of decency.
"Atheism is all about denying a super human intervention in human life, and this is exactly what the Vedas say when they describe God as opinionless and attributeles." -- Gurudev
If the only way to truly understand your religious is by utterly devoting your time to deciphering it's text, then you cannot fault anyone for not believing it. If this is the supposed way, the truth and the light, then it should be obvious to anyone from even the most casual of observations. You can't gate keep a religion while still trying to entice newcomers!
The caller was from Barbados lol
@asmodeusasteroth7137
4 жыл бұрын
Barbados is heavy Cristian. Many small countries in West are, Philippines is only SE Asia I think
Debating against Matt Dillahunty and AronRa is like...intellectual suicide.
These callers support monstrous ideas and actions. Incredible.
Well according to my study, the lord is hard to understand. Maybe if Jesus comes he would tell us what it really meant.🤔🤔
@kimsland999
6 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea, let me know when that happens :) Oh and for all the people who died today and before today OH and obviously before your Jesus myth is supposedly coming; I suppose they just missed out huh? Why your Jesus doesn't give a fuck about them. By the way your single line doesn't actually inform me if its 'your Jesus' or that you are not in fact deluded, and actually a reasoning atheist. I still feel the response has merit, as the deluded theists may be reading.
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
@@kimsland999 As non-Christian I can tell you that by simple reading of Bible you can understand that people dont go to Heaven if they have seen/heard..of Jesus or not its by what they have/havent done
@nemanjanikolic636
4 жыл бұрын
@@kimsland999 that Is the simplest thing tought in Bible
@kimsland999
4 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 Double dutch, no idea what you are saying. Its what 'I' have done, or not done? Well the only thing I can think of (relating to the Christian Jesus) is I said: I'd strike him down on sight. I mean I've said this so many times, I'd say its the main thing I've done. IS THAT allowing me to go to Christian heaven? Because I hope striking him down, possibly a 1 second action, wouldn't equal an eternity Christian Hell? As that wouldn't be fair! Can you think of any other actions I could do? I can't go back in time and smash his legs to make him die quicker? I mean I'd like to, but that's more of a dream. I mean even the Christians were waiting for him to hurry up and die for all his Jesus sins. I'd make a quicker. So what that dream suffice? What is it I should do? I'm not all for burning people who don't love me. I realize the main command of this Jesus is: Love me and believe in my words unconditionally else burn! But I find that demand monstrous. Is that it?
@kimsland999
4 жыл бұрын
@@nemanjanikolic636 I worked it out :) Rattled my brain trying to work out how best to get to Christian heaven. Here is a line I have stated to SO many Christians young and old. Your Jesus is my bitch, and your beliefs are my punching bags. Is THAT going to get me to Christian heaven? It better! I can't think of anything better than that, so that must be it. Thank you I continue saying that to others.
Y'all know damn well that Stefan was lying from start to finish. I'm glad that man-made "christianity" is out of my life for good.
AronRa
@qhsperson
9 жыл бұрын
That's why they keep trying to co-opt science and pretend it "proves" their beliefs. Especially physics--they love to pretend they understand physics and that it's on their side and proves the existence of god.
@moneymikz
9 жыл бұрын
His Life Science series is outstanding, especially the latest one on abiogenesis
"3.a person employed to manage another's property, esp. a large house or estate a person whose responsibility it is to take care of something." That is the definition which fits the type of servant described in the quoted verse. It's specifically named in the verse, the parable states DIRECTLY if a master takes leave, and leaves his servant in charge of the estate, then gives parable of good servant/bad servant. In general; a person left in charge of duties above their own authority.
Most people these days would agree abusing a child is one of the most heinous of crimes yet not only does the God of the Bible not condemn it but actually promotes it in places yet worries about what fabrics people wear or what they eat.
Stefan is a liar.
7:32 min : whats wrong with your god actually coming down and talking to people , why cant he just say hey that stuff that is in the book was wrong hey im here to correct it. Was not that what Jesus did then ?
@dr.atheist4146
9 жыл бұрын
He means currently, Jesus pretty obviously didn't manage to clear up the issues in the bible.
@davids11131113
9 жыл бұрын
Janah if I'm ever in a formal debate with a christian, I plan to give up 1:30 of my opening argument to allow for God to weigh in.....then just walk off the stage.
@Revelation13-8
9 жыл бұрын
davids11131113 Try to debate a Jew, not a Christian : But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:29) King James Version (KJV)
@B2BCreditandCollection
9 жыл бұрын
Janah No. The historical character Jesus did not do that. Matthew 5:17. Once again, it is amazing that we atheists know more about the bible than christians
@Revelation13-8
9 жыл бұрын
Michael Dennis The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt. (Psalm 14)
The analogy is meant to point out that just because being good may produce bad results, doesn't justify being bad, or not being good. If you're already logically convinced that being good is the way to be, you shouldn't allow yourself to be convinced otherwise, just because some people may take advantage of your kindness, mistake it as weakness, and/or because situations in the past haven't been beneficial. If its a question of morality, results are irrelevant, morality isn't about profit.
Many theists do the same thing, I'm guilty of doing it in the past, and I'm sure presently and in the future as well, and I truly appreciate when someone is able to actually point out a fallacy in my reasoning because it helps be better my position as a whole by removing the invalid portions and stripping it down to purely logical and valid reasoning. like any theory in science, it evolves and adapts over time as more information becomes available. You should always be open to all views.
~ Nine years later, and the callers are still just as silly, and just as entertaining, and just as generally cringe-worthy. Segregationists in the USA circa the 1950s and 1960s always used the bible as justification for segregation and Jim Crow and other such things. History, truth, reason, logic, common sense, research, the scientific method - concepts that are, from these videos, not intrinsic to much of humanity. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
My favorite hosts on the show, destroying theists. Priceless!!!
@trevorthebest1
5 жыл бұрын
@Artiom Andreev no its not hatred. You cant hate something you dont believe in that doesn't make any sense
@trevorthebest1
5 жыл бұрын
@Artiom Andreev you're trolling, get on somewhere, were not the ones who believe in an inescapable sky daddy
@Muckytuja
5 жыл бұрын
@Artiom Andreev and you are the typical ignorant believer, who can not be reasoned with, because you simply ignore any other thoughts but yours... sane people usually drop that kind of behavior after the age of 10-12.
@Muckytuja
5 жыл бұрын
@Artiom Andreev Science is not about "fate"! If there is more evidence next to something than against it, that's seems quite logical to me! What evidence you doesn't agree with the evolution? If you ever bothered to actually learn and try to understand any of it?
@Muckytuja
5 жыл бұрын
@Artiom Andreev Tell me what science book is destroying Darwinism, they argue about some points and how heredity works,... WOW! As I've said: " the typical ignorant believer, who can not be reasoned with"
What I meant by the "is that relevant" question, is when you personally consider what is morally righteous, that doesn't change because other people have done bad things in the past, or even exploited that specific moral belief. If its good to give money to the poor, does it make it not good or bad if someone fakes being homeless to scam people? If you're nice to someone and they take advantage, does that justify not being nice to people? This is the mentality I was attempting to convey.
16) I don't see it as 'my' rules... just the rules for convincing someone of something they don't believe in. People lie all the time, and if you want to convince someone of something extraordinary, you need more than just your word. I disagree with the latter half of your post. People can have insight through psychology, experience, and/or life. And they can be wrong. I think seeing something inside someone is just common insight, not proof of divine revelation.
I love the show, but... come on! You know there's no way anyone can bring up a valid argument for their religious beliefs. You _already know_ it's bullshit. So why be so upset? Just push the guy into a logical corner to give him a chance of realizing he's getting into a contradiction, and explain to him that when this happens it's because the premises are wrong, contradictory in the first place or just patently false. Don't get me wrong. I think you're doing a great service and I love that you're so well educated an all. Sometimes I just wish you didn't take it so personally. Signed: a fan of yours :) (Yes, I've noticed the video is from 2010)
Shem and Habob, a couple of bible drunks LOL!
NO STEFAN THIS IS MY SHOW!! I’LL DO THE TALKING
The problem we have is that demolishing religious arguments doesn't change people's opinions. When did you ever hear one say "Wow, that's a good point. I might have to re-think my beliefs" ? They just keep on repeating the same (or similar) stuff.
@kimsland999
6 жыл бұрын
It DOES change their delusions. Some may have never understood this before Some may need to hear it 100 times before they are able to begin reasoning again. Even Matt was deluded once, he admits it and has clearly stated that he wished that someone could have informed him of reality much sooner. Helping to guide theists away from their delusional feelings is worth it. Although I agree they make funny clowns for us to laugh at their nonsense beliefs.
What are Cousin IT and Uncle Fester doing on the Atheist Experience? Was this a Halloween special?
I would never debate these two. They are the most rational, and informed Atheist out there period.
@ianalan4367
4 жыл бұрын
That would be unfortunate. Neither offer an accurate depiction of Christian theology.
@thorpenator9148
4 жыл бұрын
@@ianalan4367 and I'm sure you do. That is the issue, everybody things they have the right interpretation, and some willing to kill for it in the past.
@ianalan4367
4 жыл бұрын
@@thorpenator9148 Oh, I have much to learn actually. There are resources thankfully. It was not until after the Apostolic period that distortions began to creep into the religion of Jesus Christ. Prior to that there was very little debate of doctrine and theology and the little there was resolved with ecumenical council. It was not until 1054AD that such disputes created schism. The doctrine as was taught from the beginning is still available for anyone to learn though. We still have the writings of the Apostolic Church fathers who studied under the Apostles themselves and a plethora of writings from their their disciples known as the early Church fathers. This theology is still taught today in the Orthodox, Wesleyan, and several other apostolic Churches. I have listened to both Matt and Aron enough to assure you they stand in contradiction to what has always and still is Christian theology. Those that are willing to commit atrocity in the name of Jesus Christ? That blood will be on their heads and you should not blame an organization for the actions of some members, or in other cases, those who portray themselves as such. Peace to you and yours!
Just wanted to say that not only does this guy on the left make an amazing argument, his hair is just faaaaaabulous
Which verses in Exodus 31 mentions Moses and the preteen slaves? Just want to take note of it for future discussions.
I stopped being a Christian when I read the Bible. God sure does make a lot of mistakes for an all-knowing being. That and how if the Bible is true, Christianity started unraveling right after Jesus left. The apostles start arguing about what they believe, so they separate and make up their own rules for churches they found.
Matt and Aron. Tag Team Champions of the World.
I wish they would have combated his argument. He was stating that the stuff on slavery was the laws of Moses and not the morality from God. All they had to do was point out that it isn't moral to allow slavery just as it isn't moral to steal or kill or any of God's ten commandments. God could have easily had eleven commandments, but good apparently didn't find it morally wrong ENOUGH to warrant letting us know...
Nothing specifically pertaining to the video but, I'm 64 years old. I had a heart attack and triple bypass surgery 5 years ago. I think about dying all the time. But, not in a scared way. I just wonder what thoughts will be going through my mind, my last few minutes "on earth" as they say. And then, I also think about Christians, and their last thoughts. And immediately after they die, how they no longer have any thoughts. So, how can they know if they went to Heaven? I mean, we ( sensible people) all know that dead animals no longer have the ability to form thoughts. Do people have a soul? I find that hard to believe. But, if people have a soul, then I would think animals would also have souls. But the bible doest really elaborate on peoples pets (for me,dogs) going to heaven. After all, if your dog doesn't worship Jesus, how can it go to heaven? That seems like bullshit right there. If all the dogs I've ever owned don't go to heaven, I'm not going either! Even if there was a heaven.
@michaelbellini3946
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had the same thought. And that, to me, makes It even more likely that It was all made up. I mean, if you were to invent some sort of God, so that you can control people by sending threats of eternal torture (to everybody who does things differently than how you tell them to do) ... Would you care about animals? No. But I personally would expect a real God to think about that. I Think christians just look at the fact that God would have chosen them among every other animal, which was just to be subjugated if wished.
7) Blindness affects all of us to varying degrees. The Bible's comment about non-believers is part of the con I mentioned earlier. It's meant to convince believers they have "The Truth", as you do in this very post. Let's turn it around, in hopes you'll understand. You don't believe in Zeus. That's because you don't want to. You are in rebellion against Zeus, and just want to be free from his wrath. You are not. Zeus is real whether you believe or not. Deep down, you know Zeus is real.