This girl looks very different from the thumbnail pic

@ariahzach6510

7 жыл бұрын

ikr, it's borderline click bait

@Daniel-ld7xs

7 жыл бұрын

Soma noma Lmao

@jwubwub

7 жыл бұрын

A wild Brienne appears

@zalibecquerel3463

7 жыл бұрын

Having followed "The Rip" for some time I can assure you, Bourbon.

@farqitol

5 жыл бұрын

How dare you assume this persons gender! I’m going to my safe space........

"The pronation supination situation" new band name call it

@travaskanazori555

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Johnson It’s up there with “A-B-duction”

“What magnificent arms this man has” That’s 100% men in the gym if girls weren’t around

@FH-pn1tm

2 жыл бұрын

Srsly, there should be as many Men only Gyms as the other way around. No distractions, only getting stronger.

@jebsdaddy141

Жыл бұрын

@@FH-pn1tm It's called prison. You might like it.

We expected to see a hot chick, instead it's Brock Lesnars son.

@soldatheero

6 жыл бұрын

hahaha brock lesnars son

@iJorgePaz

6 жыл бұрын

looks like a feminist girl

@gravitytraining6516

5 жыл бұрын

This is a wholesome comment

We expected to see a hot chick, instead its the son of Brienne of tarth

@danieldickson1617

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@dermotmckee1418

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

I bet that Rip keeps Chase in a nearby, instantly accessible closet, along with that scapula.

Chase picks things up and then puts them down.

@volvo245

7 жыл бұрын

AnInnocentLittleBoy That is the way of the gym, The Path of Iron.

@calebmelton5989

5 жыл бұрын

Heavy ass things

chase realizing hes one of the few people on this earth rip's complemented

With chip-ups you get more HIAP DRAVVVRE than during pull-ups!

@FlexMus

7 жыл бұрын

LOL xD

@promiscuouscrab4040

5 жыл бұрын

HYIP DRAAAV is the single most important exercise

I want him to read me a story

@souvikmitter7617

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Webster my point exactly

"hhwai?"

@djevlhelvete

4 жыл бұрын

"HAWAII"

"Join the fight against muscular atrophy." Love that t-shirt. Very clever.

@racekrasser7869

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the exact opposite.

Mark Rippetoe has forgotten more than most trainers will ever know in a lifetime. Just phenomenal. Thanks Mark!!!

Holy Shit. Rip said thank you watching at the end of the video. What in the hell is going on right now

@Obsidian1392

6 жыл бұрын

he's said it plenty of times, usually earlier videos

Chase is back and he's HUGE. Thx for this video. I've been doing chin ups for some time without proper instruction.

neutral grip master race

@cytec

3 жыл бұрын

@RyanORourkelol that's not nice

What magnificent arms.. He blushes and i am dead lol 😂 😂 😂

@davidec.4021

4 жыл бұрын

I’d blush too wtf ahaha

really Good content guys! Thanks!!

Thank you, Sir Mark..💪💪👍👌👌

Love the amount of videos. Can you do one about how y'all have helped people get to a starting point on these lifts? The stories about helping the elderly or the injured get to a place where they can actually do a squat or deadlift are informing and extremely interesting.

@Dean90125

Жыл бұрын

I think they are definitely some of the best ones to hear about.

BIAAICEPSS

From what I have read, the methods of strength training in Starting Strength is to take a few exercises that work ALOT of muscle to move ALOT of weight. Simply stated, the strongest person in the room lifts the most weight. So, if the average person can perform 20% more reps as a Chin-up than the Pull-up (just like the average person squats 20% more with a back squat than front squat), would not it be true that the Chin-Ups follow this idea of thinking.

helpful explanation. I will start making sure that my sternum touches the bar on every rep from now on! better way to measure a full range of motion than just chin above bar. Thanks

I’d like to see an instructional video on doing a pull up for those of us who have joint pain while doing chins.

Pull up uses more forearm, chin up uses more bicep. If you can do a pull up, then you can do a chin up. It does not work vice versa. If you want to get better at climbing, you must train pull ups. It depends on your goals.

Great video

Very few people talk about the benefits of chest to bar pull ups and chinups. Obviously they are much harder. The extra ROM getting your chin above the bar standard seems to be leaving a lot of potential upper back development on the table. What can ya'll do rep wise for chest to bar pulls and chins and what are your thoughts about it?

Adding these to the Starting Strength Programme is easy and a great supplement to the deadlift for back strength. I alternate Chup & Plup (I know Rip prefers Chup but I like both and no need to dump Plup) the same as Press and Bench in the programme. 3 sets of 5 reps progressively adding a little weight just like core exercises. A routine of Plups, Chups, Dips & Pups kept me in great shape for years before I started on barbell training last year after buying Mark's book which has proven to be a great investment.

What about neutral grip pull-ups? Wouldn't the involve even MORE muscle mass? Bringing in the brachioradialis in more and I can do more of them than I can chins. So, generally that means more muscle mass is involved. It's also easier on the wrists and it's a "stronger" and more "natural" position. We can do seated rows (neutral grip) with more weight than we can pronated/underhand. So, any thoughts?

@charlesmartel988

6 жыл бұрын

I prefer the neutral grip also, feels stronger and safer for the bicep. Like the compound version of a hammer curl.

@joshpalao6466

4 жыл бұрын

Pronated/overhand- Brachioradialis Neutral- Brachialis Supinated/underhand-Biceps

@simohayha6031

Жыл бұрын

I did normal rows at first, bent over so you keep the bar in your hand during the entire set and the bar was actually uncomfortable on my wrist, so I did underhand and did that ever since. Can row more underhand now and also do more chin ups than pull ups. I could do normal rows with ez bar now which solves wrist problem but I'm already rusted in my current program

Cobra Kai joined in to help demonstrating?

If we want to scale a wall we would do that we with pronated arms i.e the motion of pull ups ....so training of pull-ups would be more beneficial in such times....

@ahmedbenhariz8694

5 жыл бұрын

You were so strong Arthur, but WHERE'S YOUR GODDAMN FAITH, JUST GIVE ME TIME AND WE'LL GET TO TAHIIIITTIIIII

@LV426Survivor

5 жыл бұрын

@Jake McCoy is right but I am going to add this thats because that's not even what he said. He said he doesn't see a point to doing pull ups over chin ups because chins recruit more muscle mass. Hes saying chins are better, not that pullups have no use.

@TheEnvelopeOZ

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, also pronated involves much more back muscles.

@SoullessPolack

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheEnvelopeOZ only if you change your grip width and how much you flare your arms out. Otherwise, it's the same if you equate intensity. Try it. Put your arms up and go back and forth between supination and pronation. The humerus does not move in the shoulder socket.

@TheEnvelopeOZ

4 жыл бұрын

SoullessPolack i’ll try that out, thanks

Thanks. I’ve never done a full rep in my life.

If the Chin-ups can get more range of motion from the dead point to the sternum then I would agree with Rip. However, there is a major fact about the anatomy of biceps brachii in relation with the muscle mass and strength of the arms. The biceps brachii is not the prime mover of elbow flexion, and is the more superficial muscle to the Brachialis which is the biggest muscle in the anterior arm compartment. Furthermore, in all main lifts (deadlift, squat, press and bench press), the forearms are always in pronation, hence, the brachialis should be trained more than the biceps brachii. In fact, as Rip said in this video about training the accessory muscles, we should do pull-ups instead. That is my opinion, I am still learning, I hope Rip can answer this

@jdagilliland

7 жыл бұрын

That's kinda what I always thought too! Yeah, we don't deadlift with a supine grip. I'm a little skeptical.

@teonguyenhong

7 жыл бұрын

Jason Gilliland maybe he was referring to training bicep brachii to balance out the brachialis with which we often use in all lifts as an elbow stabilizer?

@jdagilliland

7 жыл бұрын

Nam Nguyen I could buy that.

@Trial4RTC

7 жыл бұрын

Nam Nguyen I agree with Rip for a few different reasons. Imo, training the biceps from a full stretch at the bottom (such as a dead hang chin) is useful for injury prevention during the deadlift; most people use the mixed grip as opposed to the hook grip, anyway. It also generally allows people to pull themselves through a greater range of motion, allows for more work to be done due to the biceps' contribution while still involving the lats and upper back as the primary movers, and let's face it-- most people in the gym want bigger arms, and chin-ups are great for that while still being more conducive to all around strength and athleticism than say, curls. You can't really go wrong with either one, but I feel chins are ever so slightly more useful.

@frankb7645

7 жыл бұрын

"in all main lifts (deadlift, squat, press and bench press), the forearms are always in pronation, hence, the brachialis should be trained more than the biceps brachii." I don't think this is relevant. None of the main lifts train flexion of the elbow under load, so they don't train the biceps OR the brachialis. Pronation just happens to be the more natural way to secure the bar for the main lifts (the exception being a mixed DL grip).

Pull-up has longer range of motion due to increased movement of scapula at the start of moving up from the dead hang. Having supinated grip allows more freedom for the scapula movement and i believe trajectory of the elbow movement would be also more natural. As You said. Piceps is weak muscle. And its not even like you start using the biceps a whole lot more when you transition from pull up to chin up. Having the "scapula pull up" as the part of the motion i find much more beneficial. You get needed chest stretch in the pull up dead hang (i noticed this when i did only chin ups for some period of time and then i was unable to do pronated dead hang without very strong pulling in the chest). Pull ups are really using biceps a lot anyway. I gained weight, so im now 120kg and its really easy to get tendon pain in biceps from just doing pull ups.

You’re doing a pull-up if you want to isolate those traps. Chin up will give you some trap work and a lot of bicep work. Both exercises a great depending on your goals.

@user-nq5wb1cz5e

3 жыл бұрын

True. Since Rip goal is strenght this is why he makes the case in favor of chin ups vs pull ups since involve more muscle mass. Very interesting.

The answer to the burning question..

I half expected that, when Chase started to “pull,” he wouldn’t rise-up to the bar, but that the bar would be pulled down to him.

I used to do wide grip pull ups to the front for years before I got to big to do them effectively. If you want to build a wide back and your joints are healthy I highly recommend wide grip front pull ups but chins are fine also. It will work wonders. You have got to do some of your sets to complete failure. I also recommend straps on this movement.

Is it me, or is there no hard number for how many sets / reps to program if you are strong enough to do weighted versions? All I remember hearing / seeing is to do them heavy, which I am, roughly 5x3 and adding 5 lbs on my dip belt the next session. Am I in the right rep / set area for this particular exercise?

Chin-ups: biceps removes some load from the back Pull-ups: most of the work is done by back

@MaRaX93

3 жыл бұрын

Chin up = more weight can be lifted. Simple as that

It's a good point, but it's best to do variation to hut each muscle. My bicep needs more work so I would. Great point thanks for the tip

@LV426Survivor

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and while your at it you may as well do a body building split to hit each muscle cause god knows compounds dont get you strong.

#PronationSupinationSituation

DON'T TREAD ON ME

Observations over years: The closer the grip(shoulder width and inside shoulders)- (the more supinated type) chinups are easier and natural. The wider the grip(shoulder width and outside shoulder width) - (the more pronated) pullups are easier.The guy in the video is using a grip outside shoulders. A pull up would be more natural in this case neutral grips are a lot easier on the elbows. Closer the grip, more is the abduction of elbow(away from the body). So lesser involvement of adductors like teres major and upper part of lats. this help in more lower lats recruitment. Neutral grip, apart from removing the action of abductors, , also helps in removing the action of biceps. Better involvement of lower lats (lats at the level of lower rib cage)

@counterstrike5694

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have also noticed this when doing pull downs with a machine. I can feel some clicking and discomfort in my shoulders if the grip is too wide when using supinated grip for example. Also noticed the same thing with barbell rows.

I respectfully disagree I think pull ups work the lower traps, rear delta and rotator cuff more and these muscles are more undertrained in the average trainee.

Nice haircut, Chase!

awesome thanks a lot

nice vid. dunno if this has been answered elsewhere but in the chin vs pull debate what can be said about the recruitment of late and mid upper back muscles in the two exercises? do pull ups demand more of the lats than a chin etc and would this impact your choice, or should it? thanks

@mnikhk

7 жыл бұрын

RyanJ92Vids Ya it's been answered by Jeff Cavaliers from Athlean X according to him neutral grip is the easiest variation.

Can you do a video on Good Mornings?

"notice the difference of the suppation, pronation, situation" QOD

what about the argument that chinups activate the lats less (relative to pullups)?

can i do chin ups/pull ups and alternated grip deadlifts on the same day? will it tear my bicep?

Has anyone ever experienced something like golfer's elbow after chinups? Maybe I am screwing the grip up but I couldn't find any in depth video about how to perform a chin up.

Inclined Press Vs Flat Press, Sir Mark

Safe for your shoulders to go straight from a dead hang instead of setting shoulders back and down ?

what about a wide grip pull-up for upper back?

Should the feet touch the floor at the end of the rep? I mean, should every rep starts from the floor? That would be easier of-course, but maybe it would be better this way in order to complete more reps. What's the best option?

@GrossoVideos

2 жыл бұрын

In my "non-expert" opinion, restarting from the bottom will require and build more strength. If your goal is hypertrophy only, you could do a partial rom.

I feel like practicing perfect from in front of rip is nerve racking

Do you also believe that hammer curls and reverse curls are useless and that you should only do bicep curls (with supinated grip)?

Chase is my spirit animal

What about neutral grip? Edit: asking for a friend

@ghostsmoke11

4 жыл бұрын

I guess that would be kinda like a hammer curl and hit the brachialis.

@raycarden7941

3 жыл бұрын

Neutrals are the easiest out of all three

@grizzlymanverneteil4443

3 жыл бұрын

@@raycarden7941 thats why I love them lol

@raycarden7941

3 жыл бұрын

@@grizzlymanverneteil4443 they are the best indeed

When he says nomenclature it sounds like Walter (John Goodman) from the big Lebowski

My wrist hurts when I fully extend my arms for chin up.

Genius

I believe all the military special forces units test an applicant on overall strength potential by the pull up ..not the bench press not the squat..For example, the Navy SEALS minimum is 15..dead hang..no swing...

chin ups are external rotation shoulder joint. External is good so chin ups are better than a internal rotation shoulder joint like pull ups

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, but harder on the elbows. Pick your poison, switch if either one begins to cause problems.

How about a neutral grip best of both worlds

What is not mentioned and is missed by the vast majority of comments here is that this is a part of the Starting Strength program and rather than being which one is better, its more -this works better in the program. If the chin up and pull up were both done it would increase fatigue and affect recovery in the main lifts. I personally like to do both but find chin ups easier

Rip, love that Gadsden

It's basically biceps vs brachioradialis.

What IS a wrong elbow flexor if not the biceps?

Agree to disagree;) Pullups are better cuz more focus on lat dorsi plus mr. Knowledge bicrps is doing hammer curls in pullups so... again nor 1 or 2 is correct... but just do both lol;)

@frodothehobo9938

4 жыл бұрын

Their is no difference in lat activation on chinup vs pull up. The only difference is the use of bicep.

@cody4916

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong.

Going all the way down with supinated grip chin up will ruin your wrists. That is one of the benefits of pull ups with prone grip, you can comfortably dead hang without wrist problems. Alternate both for full range of motion.

it works

grip width for chin up?

Is this the guy that does the Graham fitness pacer test?

Agree mostly, Except chin up are more natural with narrow grip. For lat activation, its almost the same

So why not add the low back to the bicep curl?

Why on earth does he think chinups are 'better' than pullups? They are two different exercises. They're both valuable. Pullups are a fantastic back exercise.

I find pull ups allow a lot more overload potential... chin ups feel weird on my shoulders, like they are being pulled forward too much.

"This is the way"

What if your bicep muscles are so big that they won’t allow you to touch your chest to the bar. I have very short thick arms, and can’t touch the bar. I do go up as high as possible every rep though.

@LTPottenger

3 жыл бұрын

If they are that big they will pop you up not hold you back that's how it is for me.

There is definitely a case to be made for both chin-ups and pull-ups.

@beasty_b6967

4 жыл бұрын

MANUEL CANO chin for bi and lat... pull for lay and delts

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

Do both? Blasphemy!

Do both chinups and pullups and move your grip around. Negatives with extra weight and some isometic holds in the range the movement stops or slows down.

Notice the pronation supination situation.

Now when you add weight to them are you still trying to make contact with your sternum because in your weighted chins video she doesn’t make contact

I like neutral grip

@cantbanme8971

3 жыл бұрын

The right answer

Practice as many variations as possible, if you are not training for a specific sport why not be prepared and strong at every angle?

@mnikhk

7 жыл бұрын

papageorgio123123 yes,he's saying chinups are better for most begginers obviously you do all sorts of variation later on

What if you're so tall that your arms fully extended under the bar still leave your feet on the floor and knees slightly bent

@DaBrute

7 жыл бұрын

You'll make more gains since you can do a quarter squat on every rep

@folksurvival

7 жыл бұрын

You mean exactly like the guy who just demonstrated it in this video for you?....

@shae1102

7 жыл бұрын

L sit pull ups.

@djtim06

7 жыл бұрын

Everyone seems to think that you have to keep constant tension on the muscle for pull/chin ups while they don't apply the same logic for all the other compound lifts. There's nothing wrong with setting your feet down between every rep and resetting each time, just as you do with the deadlift, and every other main lift you still lock out between reps. It's not cheating if it's strength you're trying to build. By reseting between each pull/chin up you'll find over time you can use more and more weight, which is for me is far more important for strength than TUT but hey thats just me.

@EugeneMatlin

5 жыл бұрын

​@@djtim06 Holding on the entire time builds grip strength / endurance

Why not both?

So why not to do bought ?

taking bodyweight training advise from Rip...what have my life become !

The reason I like pull-ups is because there is more EMG activation of the lats

@wilfdarr

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto. But I guess in fairness he hits lats with bent rows. What I dislike is that he comes across like there's only one way to get the job done.

How is it Chase can overhead press 3 plates and still not have side delts?

@nbcuber1086

7 жыл бұрын

Because an OHP is front delt dominant

@Jimmyjimjum

7 жыл бұрын

Genetics?

7 жыл бұрын

Simon Baker-Ostiguy because he probably he needs to lower his body fat so they can show up.

@amrick4523

6 жыл бұрын

hes fat

@DavidTPerkins22

6 жыл бұрын

Because he’s natty

According to the scientific literature that I've read, they both hit the same muscle groups to varying degrees, including biceps. It's like arguing narrow grip bench vs wide grip. The answer is YES, depending on your goals.

@evooff

7 жыл бұрын

Chin ups hit more of the biceps brachii while pull ups hit more of the brachioradialis.

Do both. Pull-ups incorporates much more of the forearm and brachialis.

So, notice that Chase's position at the bottom of the pullup is very similar to the shrug at the top of an Overhead press. In my opinion, the pullup and chinup are antagonist movements to the overhead press, and should be treated as such. I also recommend, outside of an Olympic weightlifting context, that the front squat be treated as an accessory to the overhead press, (not just the squat) due to training the same force transfer point from the bar's position. Whether you agree with Mark about pullups vs chinups or not, it should at least be obvious that a crossfit chin wont do. Mark's coaching of the pullup is spot on. Pullup depth, and the scapular articulation as the lats are engaged to pull, IS the pullup. Without that, you may as well go do quarter squats on a smith machine while you're at it.

@Sealed_Chamber

5 жыл бұрын

What is your stance on the use of the smith machine for reverse grip floor presses?

Why not do pullups they are great for your back. Am I missing something?

@mnikhk

7 жыл бұрын

Cooper Carr Bro so many ppl taking this wrong way he's saying for begginers chin ups would be easier to do and work more musculature overall while it's true pull ups are harder and obviously when you get stronger you do them and other variants later.

@alrocky

7 жыл бұрын

mnikhk, you seem to be reading too much into what you think Rip means. The video title is Chin-Up vs Pull-Up, not which is easier for most people or which is the better biceps exercise. The content did not match the video title and did little to compare the two. This was do chip ups for your biceps video.

@MrDanielWP

5 жыл бұрын

@@mnikhk he said nothing about beginners having an easier time. He said chinups work the biceps and pullups don't, which so obviously wrong he should be embarrassed.

@C17NRYL3D

4 жыл бұрын

His argument is that chin ups do exactly what pull-ups do, and they also train your biceps. So they are better.

why not do both? i do pull ups for my main pulling exercise, then add barbell rows and chin ups or commando pull ups to finish things off. im not a powerlifter or anything, i just do this for health reasons. but i noticed that i can do a few sets of pull ups and still get more chin ups done easily because of the greater bicep invovlement. also, on a pull up, you can rotate the elbows inwards so they are perpendicular to the bar which will recruit more bicep in the motion.

Second error. Chase's feet are not clear on the ground he's not hanging in a dead hang position therefore it is not a clear single one rep