If Hans Niemann did cheat, how do you think he did it?

@AlexanderNixonArtHistory

Жыл бұрын

I think he used hairspray.

@a.m.6499

Жыл бұрын

Derek, you should thank the people who gift you money in the live chat."Azam"

@asian_sammy2022

Жыл бұрын

Nah he legit "won" just like your eloquent President

@total1ty2012

Жыл бұрын

Please do the Ramseys.

@total1ty2012

Жыл бұрын

Jonbenet Ramsey. Please.

Hans says at one point he was tired and didn't 'recollect' the game well (time 10:44). However what amazes me about other chess GMs (like Hikaru) is they talk about games they played a decade ago like it happened yesterday. Having an amazing chess memory seems part of being a GM.

@sittingfrogleg

Жыл бұрын

Good point. He was definitely lying, at that level they are able to remember entire games from years back. He calls himself a chess prodigy, yet he can’t remember the last, very important game he just won against the world champion?

@fakeplaystore7991

Жыл бұрын

Imagine not remembering how you defeated the reigning World Champion - playing Black, no less! "Too tired to remember", yeah, right.

@bobbyc2768

Жыл бұрын

@Bryan Corrêa if you analyzed his game against magnus you'd see he clearly did not cheat, magnus made several blunders and he wasn't playing super well either, he just came out on top. cheating at a high level tournament like that would not be easy at all, so idk what you're basing your opinion off of.

@12bru63

Жыл бұрын

Dude has a history of cheating. His performance is all over the board, always. He is either engine like genious or near/base GM player. He is the first player that clearly is obsessed with the game to the point of beating the world chess champion, but not to the point of going over possible lines. Ever. I understand people that comes up like "thats impossible to prove it, so lets just move on for now", but not the ones that try to defend a guy with a bunch of red flags, and all top GMs too suspicious to defend the underdog. Either people are stupid and love underdog bullshiit or they can relate because they feel uncomfortable afyer seeing a felow sinner getting caught.

@tomaskalyniuk4233

Жыл бұрын

robert hess who is also a gm said that is only true of the top gms, he said he doesn't have a great memory and Reshevsky was allegedly asked about a game and shown the moves he said the players sucked and it was revealed to him it was his own game, likewise for many years Capablanca allegedly couldn't remember his own games.

"chess speaks for itself" easily the most meme moment 2022.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

@danstera4232

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@chrisdavis2161

Жыл бұрын

I did not see that comment coming...It was such an awkward interaction... What a ridiculous thing to say and walk away from a potential interview after beating WCC with black pieces

@kimandersen5764

Ай бұрын

The game's complexity often requires expert analysis to fully understand the strategies and thought processes behind moves. Chess doesn't inherently reveal all nuances without explanation.

The art of cheating is never to get caught. How many times can you get caught cheating, and then tell that you are not a cheat?

An interesting note: Hans says he only ever cheated in unrated games, but he says in one of your clips "I only did it so I could play against some stronger players" - which for anyone unfamiliar with the Elo rating system, as you win games your score goes up, so theoretically if he were to cheat in *rated* games his score could go up, but never in an unrated game. Meaning that claim too is bogus. You don't get to play against anyone stronger unless you cheat in rated games.

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

He meant official rating. Online rating means nothing.

@ThisSentenceIsFalse

Жыл бұрын

@@motherisape You know what he "meant," huh?

@doggos3446

Жыл бұрын

@@ThisSentenceIsFalse yeah because there's no unrated games in chess bozo. Unrated just means not an official fide tournament, this is not valorant

@ThisSentenceIsFalse

Жыл бұрын

@@doggos3446 Oh, right. That's what it means, huh?

@emaster01

Жыл бұрын

@@ThisSentenceIsFalse yes. That is what that means, bozo.

I hate the phrase "my truth." Its so stupid.

@jamesu3816

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that objective truth is bunk and everything is subjective :p

@HECKproductions

Жыл бұрын

that is literally like saying outright that you are lying haha

@Svetty00

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesu3816 So for you truth is subjective, but for me 'my truth' is that truth is objective? The term 'subjective truth' contradicts itself.

@jamesu3816

Жыл бұрын

@@Svetty00 there is no such thing as objective truth. Truth is always defined by an observer and all observers view the universe through a brain which is simulating an environment via vibrations from small tiny particles that hit our sensory organs and exist in super position.... Does it mean we cannot come to useful localized agreements on certain things that have predictive value? No we can and do do that, however that is not objective truth. It only contradicts if you assume reality is static and objective. Go read some on post modernism by experts in the field of history or quantum mechanics. Michael foucault or Greg Anderson. This all being said I think Niemann cheated lol

@alirvng6575

Жыл бұрын

@@Svetty00 subjective truth is what you think is the truth, the objective truth is something that is true irrespective of anyone's thoughts and opinions 😉

I don't always cheat at chess, but when I do, I make sure to say: "My chess speaks for itself!"

@PieterPatrick

Жыл бұрын

Why do you cheat? Serious question.

@fursuits

Жыл бұрын

@@PieterPatrick It's a joke

@arogundadeferanmi2239

Жыл бұрын

@@PieterPatrick It flew over your head

@zero-ui1ew

Жыл бұрын

@@PieterPatrick because we like to cheat we enjoy it.irs not rocket science

@PieterPatrick

Жыл бұрын

@@fursuits Duh... You can make a joke about you cheating, that was my thought. I didn't miss the joke.

"Chess speaks for itself" for me is a key evidence. Hans has quite an ego. Imagine you're a young prodigy and you beat the world champion. Won't you wanna brag about it and go about how you did it? But Hans did the exact opposite, like a criminal that wants to leave the crime scene as fast as possible.

@cauliflowerhead2735

Жыл бұрын

That could be a confirmation bias. Not everyone likes the limelight. Hans seems like a fairly private person.

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

No he is bot they had metal detactor

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

@@cauliflowerhead2735 exactly

@jacobpeters5458

Жыл бұрын

@@cauliflowerhead2735 yeah a lot of this could be just him being nervous and edgy like a typical 19 yo

@jerome8670

Жыл бұрын

@@cauliflowerhead2735 yeah he looks really shy in the following interviews 😅 I thought that when he said chess speaks for itself … totally un normal response! He’s slowly getting caught … the latest is his 100% accurate games ….

There you go folks. Even Jim Carrey thinks he cheated.

@alkaholic4848

11 ай бұрын

lmao

His body speaks for himself.

@theantinatalismzone392

Жыл бұрын

Especially when with Andrea

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

Burn the witches!

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

Body language is not proof. Often speculations involving body language have proven to be false.

@theantinatalismzone392

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymoustopsecret5995 But you refuse to look at reality

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

@@theantinatalismzone392 I refuse to believe an accusations unless there is proof. Innocent until proven guilty.

If he cheated, he forfeits his winnings, title, and is banned for life from all professional competition. Cheaters rarely stop cheating, especially where there is gain involved.

@Axagoras

Жыл бұрын

Good thing he did not cheat, and has never done so over the board.

@tatbaz1

Жыл бұрын

He is addicted to cheating

@yikesnah6011

Жыл бұрын

@John Town Ok show me the evidence besides "He cheated years ago online".

@adm1819

Жыл бұрын

@@tatbaz1 Ok Dr Addict

@tatbaz1

Жыл бұрын

@@adm1819 congragulations your hero is a lying cheat

13:55 - I only cheated in “unrated games” 14:03 - “they were UNRATED games” 14:26 - I cheated in order to “gain rating” so I could face stronger players

@andrewmoonbeam321

Жыл бұрын

So basically he's cheating to beat worse players so he can play better players. I do think he's cheating btw. Unless he's the first human guinea pig for state of the art Stockfish human cyborg cross

@rob4419

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmoonbeam321 he wouldn't need to cheat to beat worse players. Hans is a talented GM, no doubt about that. But its silly to think his meteoric post-peak rise in elo, trumping anything the U20 Indian superGMs have to offer, is legitimate

"Magnus vindicated, Accents imitated, Beads lubricated, Hans niemann activated"

Body language speaks for itself.

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

No it literally doesn't. None of that pseudoscience is admissible in court or in serious conversations. It's just for entertainment.

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

Body language is not proof. Often speculations involving body language have proven to be false.

@arsenalfanrichi

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymoustopsecret5995 I agree, of all the convincing arguments against Hans, the body language is by far the most nebulous

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

@@arsenalfanrichi Body language has sometimes helped understand what someone is thinking, but it is mostly based on speculations. Someone scratched his nose so he must be lying, but what if he had an itchy nose? What about liars who look at you straight in the eye and lie to you without any sign of being uncomfortable? The person making this video himself made a lot of hand gestures and stuff. Does that mean he is lying? Nevertheless, he did a good job at presenting contradictions in Hans' statements, which is the only good thing about this video.

@blatantslander

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymoustopsecret5995 Well if the video guy is wrong, we can always reference this video being his biggest failure as a body language reader

This video format is waaaaay better than his previous ones. I wasn’t a fan of the constant gags and overextended inflections, and they’ve now been toned down into this professional format that doesn’t completely lose those character traits. Good move, love this new setup, wish you the very best in getting stronger with your channel.

@oinkooink

Жыл бұрын

Except Carlsen should not be referred to as "was world champion"...he IS world champion. I know this isn't related to your comment. I'm just throwing it out there on a current top of the page post.

@resir9807

Жыл бұрын

This dude seems super illegitimate. He's so quick to jump from observation to interpretation - "his nervousness indicates his deception", it's infuriating. Spidey would say, "So this nervousness could be a sign of deception, however, given the gravity of the accusation and therefor the danger, an innocent person might be nervous too in that situation". Or when he talks about his accent and not socializing he has a "duping" smile - what bullshit! How can you know it's not just a smile from embarassment? There is no deception cluster when he says it. So clearly biased

@pwhippie07

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, i agree!

@Bee-tj8gc

Жыл бұрын

Body language reading is such a scam

Small correction: The idea of the anal beads came up in Eric Hanson's Chessbrah stream. Gotta give credit to the boys!

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

@SirSoaks

Жыл бұрын

Yea but Elon was the one that brought it to light and made it a thing.

@kencorp1390

Жыл бұрын

@@SirSoaks did Elon jokingly accuse Magnus for using the beads for a decade?

What are the odds of studying the exact obscure opening your opponent decides to use, which he has never played before? The odds of a ridiculous miracle, I guess.

This guy is a joke. Reminds me of a US president who won the most votes in history.

@935ryan5

Жыл бұрын

Hans is telling the truth

@ChocolateMilk..

Жыл бұрын

Both are equally believable.

Derek owns the record for how quickly he can say “BODYLANGUAGE!”

Only metal detectors were introduced after this incident. The investigation was in its infacy by the next day. He could've had any conceivable info : watching a spectator - he did look up a lot during the match - re: the poker player analogy. There is also a possibility of a leak from the Magnus camp, or bugging in any form(spy cam, sound bug etc). There is mo divine miracle he played a game he studied by Wesly/Magnus, that never occurred. If anything , THAT is a blatant lie. He has been prepped for this interview, and his nerves screwed it up.

@jasonrawls6959

Жыл бұрын

Actually an RFID scanner was introduced. And the game did occur, not thru the same move order but by a transposition.

@mizofan

Жыл бұрын

The game did occur, in a different location than cited by Hans.

so it turns out he was innocent, yet nobody apologised to him.

I mean, the fact that he seems to view cheating not as the wrong way to approach the game, but as a tool to use or not use based on the cost/benefit of getting caught, that's pretty telling.

@QueekHeadtaker

Жыл бұрын

whats telling to me is when he says his 'intuition" told him he was "not losing", nahhh, his device told him he had superior position. It is quite beleiveable that a player of his caliber was able to find the right moves, but he had help, something else told him the position was 'winning'.

The gestures you say are indicators of deception like the arm movements you also did the same movements on a couple of occasions does that mean you are being deceptive? Or is it just a natural reaction to emphasize a point you think is important?

@steggyweggy

Жыл бұрын

It’s not just about one specific action. It’s when a group of them appear together in response to a specific stimulus.

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

Body language mainly revolves around speculations. It doesn't serve as evidence.

@GingyNinjyy

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymoustopsecret5995 finally someone with sense. He only assumes the worst based on these gestures and doesn't consider that maybe he is nervous because he is under fire from not only the most famous chess player in the world, but everybody else who is attacking him simply because they follow Magnus and thinks he is always right, without doing any research themselves. I completely understand why Hans would be nervous or feel the need to defend himself considering how many people are at his throat all because of magnus losing and resigning against Hans.

@ggmegyeri

Жыл бұрын

@@GingyNinjyy Its not only about body language, but the fact that his stories are all inconsistent. The problem with lying is that its difficult to remain self-consistent when adding more little details. When you tell the truth you simply use your memory and dont even have to think about it. When you lie you have to remember everything you said. This is very hard to do and triggers your body trying to secure itself. So when someone tells you a story that does not add up plus you see these signs it is likely that he/she is not telling the full truth. Obviously when someone is under pressure to defend himself it is expected to see some of it. And it is never a 100% accurate method for detecting lies. Also you will not be able to tell which parts were not true. For me the fact that he wants to convince (tell the truth) without actual evidence or logical reasoning indicates that something is wrong here. On the other hand however Magnus is doing the same to some extent. But that is understandable considering potential lawsuits he probably wants to avoid. Did Hans cheat in the game? At first I would say probably not. Magnus played poorly (to his own standards at least). But if Hans did not cheat he simply could have just pointed it out. Instead, he came with the "miracolous" explanation that he just reviewed the opening but gave up a piece during the post game analysis. If its true that he did not cheat he must be aware of his opponent weak play. If its true that he has just reviewed those positions before the game then it does not make any sense to suggest a blunder as a potential move. As some smart guy once said "chess speaks for itself". So this indicates that its very likely that he has done something wrong there. What he has done and how he did that is a question we may never get answered.

This sounds like a load of b.s. to me. Some of the phrases he points out seem like completely innocuous things a generally nervous person might say. If you’re interviewed in front of a camera it’s inherently nerve-wracking for some people, let alone under allegations.

@LegendLength

Жыл бұрын

especially for geeks who stare at numbers for a living

correct me if I’m wrong but don’t you need a base line of someone’s behavior before you can make judgments if there body language indicates lying or not?

@nathaniellasaga-ivey1033

Жыл бұрын

His baseline is probably before the accent

@christian9387

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this channel is bogus a lot of the time. Entertaining...but bogus, especially in this case. Like "Newfound accent?! Doesn't he mean to say newly acquired accent?!"

@ryanhanson3365

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. Every person is unique and different. E.g. folks with autism sometimes tend to display body language and behavioral patterns that aren't considered normal. Also, as someone who has been falsely accused of cheating in Poker, I can attest that because I was facing scrutiny with many eyes on me at the time, I was certainly acting nervous, "closed", and defensive despite being 100% innocent. Derek just seems a bit arrogant to me and uses too many absolutes for me to take him seriously.

@christian9387

Жыл бұрын

Yes, far too many absolutes, but that's what gets the clicks I guess.

@leluminent

Жыл бұрын

correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you a Hans fanboy ?

The "purely psychological" explanation for blunder against Alireza came a day after Alireza gave an interview on the game, describing the move as "insane", stating he was intimidated and "just wanted to take the draw and go home". Before the Alireza interview, Hans said he didn't need to offer "variations" to explain his rationale; no such comments about psychology. I arrived at the same conclusion you seem to have the very moment I saw his interviews. Didn't need to see stats (which are now stacking up against him), I've seen his type a thousand times. I also think he has a rare psychological disposition himself akin to politicians and combat soldiers - lack of normal range of emotions.

@facemonkeys

Жыл бұрын

Yes combat babies are born fighters with few emotions, registered with the military from birth. You just compared narcissistic politicians to mentally broken brainwashed soldiers. Stop

@taylernoise6942

Жыл бұрын

Definitely some narcissistic personality disorder and sociopathy about Hans

@thecleg6630

Жыл бұрын

You know that computers do not like that move right? So it definitely did not come out of cheating. Does your argument even make sense? Also really? You have a person figured out just by how they talk? Wow, you must be the best psychoanalyst since Sigmund Freud, congratulations! Or maybe you are just another random dude on the internet pretending to know everything

@teb7426

Жыл бұрын

@@thecleg6630 Random guy on the internet who is captivated by all the hullabaloo would be more accurate. Let's see if I'm right, then... Have a great wk end :))

@thishandleistaken1011

Жыл бұрын

@@taylernoise6942 Total BS

My job used to be doing audits on salesmen, when I saw Hans' interview I knew instantly that he was lying. You don't talk like that when you have nothing to hide.

@julienspringbok3002

Жыл бұрын

Si j'avais été suspecté de triche après avoir battu le champion du monde, je me serais très fortement énervé et aurait essayé de montrer le ridicule du fait. Hans a des réactions bizarres : il rit quand il est banni pour triche, il sourit durant l'interview, alors qu'il est suspecté de triche. Dans ce dernier cas, c'est comme s'il adoptait une attitude de "gentil", alors qu'avec de pareilles accusations contre moi, alors que je suis innocent, je n'aurais cure de me montrer "gentil" et demanderais des comptes à mes accusateurs. Il parle beaucoup de "verité" également et de "sa vérité". C'est quelque chose de récurrent chez les manipulateurs, il me semble.

@tacokoneko

Жыл бұрын

he has some way of cheating that nobody knows how to detect yet. we need to find out fast before this crisis spreads and ruins chess forever

@godwins2027

Жыл бұрын

@@tacokoneko I’ve heard mention of Hans potentially intercepting his prep. For example, hans has an associate who knows the hotel where Magnus is staying, the associate uses a wifi sniffer and gains access to Magnus’ files and now has his prep. Hans can now hyper focus his prep lines. I’m not an expert on any of this, chess of wifi sniffers or anything, I’m just sharing something I heard. It makes perfect sense to me, but that may be a result of my ignorance.

@RadishAcceptable

Жыл бұрын

@@tacokoneko it's actually not complicated. Notice how his performance dropped so steep as soon as a stream delay was introduced in the event. My guess is he had a device under his ballsack that would vibrate move suggestions, transmissions being sent by someone watching the stream. He can signal that he wants help by drinking his water, or stretching, or something like that. He plays well enough that he only needs help on 1-3 moves per game. Once he gets the suggested move he can play it without thinking and convert on his own, picking up the engine ideas.

@emmagrove6491

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that. Police interrogators, FBI, CIA agents all watch videos of people answering questions and are asked to determine which suspect is lying just by body language and inflection. Magnus, as experienced as he is, knew something was fishy. It's interesting hearing professionals like you now say they think something is fishy too.

I think that Hans hates losing so much that he has considered cheating in the past and has done so. Whether he cheated at the Sinquefield cup is very difficult to determine without having been there to witness the game play and what he did between moves whenever he left the table. Hans at the previous tournament said that he was so crushed by his losses he stated it was a miracle he was there the next day and hadn't walked out into the nearby waters and let himself sink. With this sort of mindset, this sort of obsession with winning, the possible self obsession and narcissism he might suffer, he could be prone to compulsive cheating simply to preserve the way he sees and reveres himself. It would not surprise me if Hans is the type of person who is morally bankrupt and would feel that the ends justify the means as he is at the center of his reality and a singular entity within that reality beholden only to himself. That all aside, it is quite possible he simply played some genius level chess through a unique blend of study, luck, intuition and psychological gamesmanship. He, and perhaps his coach Dlugy, are the only people that truly know whether he cheated, and Magnus, the strongest rated player ever might also be a strong judge of that as well as he was on the receiving end of it.

@Tests

Жыл бұрын

You are a psycho to take his trolling interviews so literally.

@williambeckley3029

Жыл бұрын

I think you analysis based on human nature is very perceptive. You probably nailed it. I didn't think he was cheating to start with, but taking all these things into account, it does appear that cheating is most probable

@Inertia888

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/o56oxLqxcZusk8Y.html interesting and compelling analysis of Hans' chess play^^

@kostoffj

Жыл бұрын

Niemann's coach Dlugy is himself a cheater, which speaks volumes

@NobodySpecial420

Жыл бұрын

I've thought this myself. I think you nailed it on the head. It's scary to watch this guy when he loses.

Throughout this whole video I was thinking "maaan, Hans Niemann stutters and repeats himself like I used to do when I lied when I was 5 years old". Especialy the "and now you all attack me" defense is something that brings me nostalgia. But the mid sentence stutter is a dead giveaway, I remember I felt scared and stuttered like that when I thought "my life is about to colapse". That is what I think he feels from from the way he talks and behaves.

@johnworf

Жыл бұрын

Forget chess - come and watch me play a better game where you cannot use robots to help you cheat - because they aren't as good at humans at the game. What is this game - it's called bridge - a far superior game than chess: kzread.info

You know this guys cheating when he cant explain how he won

@b.1565

Жыл бұрын

After having played 3-5 hours, I often don't know which day it is anymore...

@Retarded9-11

22 күн бұрын

@@b.1565 you still gotta be able to explain your moves

To be fair, I think he meant he never cheated while actually streaming but he did get banned while he was streaming. He claims he was trying to inflate his rating off stream.

@nicbentulan

Жыл бұрын

your comment is the only comment i can find that says this! thank you, and God bless you! if you are team hans then i hope to see you in r/hansniemannfanclub !!!

Body language cannot be judged this way just from one video. You have to have first established the base line and then looked for differences. This differences does not tell you if he is lying or not, it just tells you that you should ask more deeply about the topic which makes the change from base line body language. Even polygraph itself cannot be used in a way to prove if subject is lying or not. It just show the areas (soft spots) on which should interrogator focus with followup questions.

@justice9296

Жыл бұрын

As a psychologist I totally agree. Some claims on body language are probable but certainly not certain. It seems to me someone is using his position as a “body language expert” to get views. Honestly I expected a scientific analysis and got a video of someone using the peoples view of the situation to trick them into thinking it’s true :( to me this is very sad and humiliating for psychologists

@kareemnj6248

Жыл бұрын

Purposeful conformational bias as well, attempting to be quick-witted with counter-claims in even simple little things as to pick apart everything and not even the centric issue of the video which is the allegations. I totally think people can act this way, I have met people that act this way, some people are naturally deceptive even when telling the truth.

@alvynTC

Жыл бұрын

@@kareemnj6248 yes exactly, there are lots of reasons when one could be defensive and have this body language. Only deep questioning and confrontation with the facts could have catch the liar. They usually start to making of the "story" and several followup questions then do the job.

@alvynTC

Жыл бұрын

@@justice9296 Yes, totally truth.

@itry2brational

Жыл бұрын

@@justice9296 By this purposefully vague standard, nothing in psychology is "certain". What the body language expert says is as valid as anything you are saying. Body language is only a small part of the video. An evaluation of this person's actions and behaviors over time, the lies, inconsistencies and contradictions are part of the totality of evaluation. It seems to me its far easier to be an arm-chair internet critic "expert" than to have actually completed a great deal of investigation and collection of evidence along with editing etc to produce something.

Derek I LOVE your new set up! It gives me 90's investigative journalism vibes, and its great! That being said, I miss you saying, "Derek van schaik here!"

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

Vibrating anal beads seems like, um…a stretch. That’s a deep commitment, requiring not a half assed effort, but whole. There’s other ways to cheat in these tournaments since security isn’t too tight. Someone could easily sneak a device in the back door. Something definitely stinks about that game though. Hans didn’t just beat ‘em. He wrecked ‘em. And Magnus didn’t handle it very well after either. He quit so abruptly, when pulling out slowly wouldn’t have left such a mess to clean up. To be fair, though, he probably knows best, with such a pro-state of mind.

@elliottturner9029

Жыл бұрын

This made surfing the comments totally worth it hahaha very subtle

@Justpassingby204

Жыл бұрын

He rectum*

It's really interesting to see what Jack Harlow was doing before getting into music. Great video Derek!

@rini8712

Жыл бұрын

Thats what I thought 😂

People do pick up accents when they stay in other places. My friend spent a year in N. Ireland and came back with an accent. It just happened. This is no reason to say he cheater against Magnus, it’s really a strawman argument bro.

@StefanReich

Жыл бұрын

How do you pick up an accent if you never go outside as Hans claimed?

I don't know if he cheated or not, but if I was getting accused of cheating with vibrating analbeads, I would be a little nervous and defensive too I think. I never liked the "liar's body language" theories, because I feel it has so much to do with the stakes and the accusations on whether or not I get anxious or not. As well as the anxiety that comes from knowing there's nothing you can do to prove it wrong.

This is hilarious. I knew something was up with the way he spoke when I saw the interview the first time. What sort of disorder would you need to have in order to fake an accent like this for so long, and actually attempt to fake it on live television. I’m genuinely curious

@Lyrics4y0u

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like he is also covering up a manic episode (or excess adderol use)

@bobsondugnut5985

Жыл бұрын

I’m not convinced the accent thing is really relevant. I’m pretty anti-social and I would sound completely different if I was giving a public speech or being interviewed on camera compared to when I talk to a person in regular conversation. It wouldn’t be because I’m faking an accent, but because I’m trying to sound more like what I think is listenable based off what I hear on radio and tv. I don’t think you can really compare a video of him in regular conversation with a video of him being interviewed, because they’re 2 different settings for the person speaking.

@ZippetyZoppetyZop

Жыл бұрын

@@bobsondugnut5985 regardless of him changing the way he speaks, you don’t develop an accent depending on if you’re speaking on live television vs. hanging out with your friends. All that means is you’re not being who you truly are when you are with others, if you are changing the way you speak or developing an accent when you’re around others. Just be comfortable speaking the way you speak and speak it all the time

@bobsondugnut5985

Жыл бұрын

@@ZippetyZoppetyZop I’m not talking about being around others though, I’m talking about being interviewed for live tv. I’ve also been a performer so I know that lots of people actually do develop a persona when interacting with people through that medium. Look at almost every comedian, or rapper. They’re not being fake just because they don’t go around acting like their personas in real life. Also, I listened to the comparison in this video and he doesn’t even sound different enough for me to think he’s really doing anything other than trying to speak more clearly.

@FishTankEnjoyer

Жыл бұрын

It's not a disorder, he just thinks he's "smart" by doing it

He also just said he was 16 years old when that happened when every time before that he was saying he was 12

@tatbaz1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but he was lying

@animefan7424

Жыл бұрын

He’s 19 do it’s not that far removed

These body language channels are so wack. It's almost like you only pick up on the body language AFTER you know something has happened. Why don't you see this stuff while it is happening? You already have the idea in your head that he did something wrong and then you start looking for clues. A body language "expert" won't impress me until you can do this shit live and in the moment and catch someone before the truth comes out.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

@Gilgamesh-em6ru

Жыл бұрын

You realize any body language expert needs to watch footage multiple times to see all the cues and explain them. If they're obvious ones like in the beginning then they point it out but very few can do readings like this live. Where they explain every little cue and point it out along with the research.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

@@Gilgamesh-em6ru this video is more of finding inconsistencies in the words rather than the body language itself

@olinater5

Жыл бұрын

Well if you post this video before the truth comes out you’re at risk for slander and can get sued lmao

@nick4819

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenhill1350 Yes. If you are an expert on body language....how can you not see the signs as they are happening and only when AFTER an accusation you can say "oh yeah see there...he licked his finger and held it in the air. That's a sign of defense." Anyone can do that stupid shit because you already know he lied or whatever he was found doing.

If you've just beaten the world champion, why on earth would you waste the opportunity to bask in the glow of your own success in an interview by saying "chess speaks for itself", look angry and offended, and just walk away. Wasn't his dream from when he started playing chess to be on television and receive honor and glory? To me this is totally incomprehensible and is a very strong indicator that he is not honest.

He's a compulsive liar, no doubt.

I think part of the reason he adopted the fake accent is to convince people he's a different person from the one that was caught cheating only 3 years ago.

@MrKornnugget

Жыл бұрын

This is why my old friend really changed gender. He was a horrible person and now is a woman to show he is not the same person….. she is the same person.

I literally looked for this video when the drama began weeks ago, I was like “NO WAY” when it finally showed up in my feed! ❤

It's very easy to side with Magnus in this case, although I wish Magnus will speak up soon. A GOAT World Chess Champion Vs a repeat cheater, it's an easy choice

I was waiting for you to break this drama down. Thanks you thank you

now analyze the body language of the Apollo 11 astronauts.

"I can not say he specifically cheated" yet you call him "bogus!" A well worded way to avoid being added to the lawsuit.

@alkaholic4848

11 ай бұрын

Haha yeah quite smart of him to be careful. There is a difference. He's saying that the body language and plethora of inconsistencies in his stories make HIM bogus. But that alone is not evidence that he cheated in a specific game.

Wow. The excuse he gave was the exact same as his teachers who got caught for cheating. Some other guy in the room had an app and fed me the moves.

Thank you for covering this topic! The chess world is divided on this opinion

@Axagoras

Жыл бұрын

Hans is clearly legit. Any idiot with common sense can tell that.

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

Not divided really... it's about proof of cheating or not. It's not about some fake body language expert bringing nothing new to the table.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

@tacokoneko

Жыл бұрын

@@DF-bx9hd there's nothing to be biased over, he is literally a proven cheater and Magnus is completely morally in the right to refuse to play him. people defending him are trying to ruin chess by making cheating acceptable

Hello, I watched your video and was wondering if you had anything to prevent confirmation bias when analyzing the clips of Hans? Did you compare clips of Hans from interviews before he got accused of cheating? And how do you know he isn't just defensive because the whole world is accusing him of cheating?

@DavidHebel

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is not well researched at all. He should have done a straight body language analysis. Even the “chess speaks for itself” clip was weeks prior to this event. Totally different event.

@emery5581

Жыл бұрын

That is what I call an apologist! He is a cheater. Proven at that. You are actually saying: "he is not a thief because he did not steal today". Well, you don't let a thief enter the presidential palace. You don't let a cheater into the most prestigious of all chess tournaments.

@Local_Koopa

Жыл бұрын

@@emery5581 He did admit to cheating, but it was when he was 12 years old. Would you ban an adult from the presidential palace if they stole when they were 12? Also lets keep this discussion civil please

@DavidHebel

Жыл бұрын

@@emery5581 people do lots of dumb stuff that they regret.. with the exception of you of course. If someone brings some actual proof of cheating in this tournament I’m all ears, but so far there isn’t anything other than insinuations and exaggerated claims of “legal issues that prevent us from speaking.” I kind of hope there is something serious on him because otherwise this is a travesty.

@angelbedolla347

Жыл бұрын

@@Local_Koopa lol see apologist, he also admitted to cheating at 16.

Wait, was my comment deleted because I was pointing out obvious errors in your analysis of the spoken content (and partly of the body language)? You come across fully self-confident albeit making unreflected statements that other commentators here already pointed out.

"How fake would you like me to make my accent": "Yes"

What does a fake accent have to do with anything??

I must say, when i spend periods of time around european non english speakers (i'm in the UK), my english does change do be accented, and i notably change my vocabulary. Its very common. Look at former UFC two weight champion Daneil Cormier when he talks to Khabib or any of the russian fighters, he sounds nothing like his normal self. Now thats from small acute interactions. If all you were doing is zoom chatting to people who english is not a first language for, you will change how you talk absolutely. If your peers, the people you aspire to be like, the people you watch on youtube are also non english speakers, it even more shifts your norm. This does not imply anything calculated or nefarious. Furthermore, I talk so diffrently when I am being interviewed or giving a lecture, than when i am gaming or out drinking, so much so, almost every person i meet comments on it. Thats because when I am in a more professional context, i revert to the more correct and clearer pronouncication i used when lecturing, so again, context makes a huge part of accent. Not saying i disagree with your overall assessment, but that point in particular you really labour.

@the_real_vdegenne

Жыл бұрын

you blabla so much trying to prove something, are you Hans?

@angelbedolla347

Жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the video? Hans clearly says he doesn’t go out! Or talk to anyone he is just studying chess.

@akorthouwer

Жыл бұрын

@@angelbedolla347 hmm he does talk to training partners for studying chess. Only studying chess doesn't mean not talking to anyone

@hirotakasugi4891

Жыл бұрын

That's weird. I've been living in the US for about 15 years now after emigrating from Asia and I came here as a teen. I still haven't picked up any accent nor cleared my accent to sound more "American"

I wanted you to make video about it. I was about to approach you suggesting it and here we have it already. THANKS. Would appreciate if you keep following saga and make part 2 as well if enough interview material is available soon. Which I think will be available soon.

I’ve been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.

Glad to see you again. Keep making them videos

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

I love that you’ve been posting so much lately!

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

Please post less speculation and more facts.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

I like to think i can evaluate people accurately. Hans cheated 100%

I would love for you to address people that say body language is fake.

Ah yes “I have an accent” while speaking fluently in English 😂

@theantinatalismzone392

Жыл бұрын

Because it is not an accent it is him talking differently than he did before

@williambeckley3029

Жыл бұрын

There is such a thing as an acquired accent, if you are living with and speaking to people of another native language, but that tends not to turn on and off at will, or at random times. Then it is most likely what we would call a fake accent, which we have seen done by actors, and to very cringeworthy effect at times. Yeah if you are going in and out of a fake accent it is pathetic and laughable. Unless you are just doing it for fun, and not trying to fool or impress anyone.

@hirotakasugi4891

Жыл бұрын

@@williambeckley3029 Ahh that's probably why I still don't have any Americanized accent or shedded my accent despite being in the US for 15 years and continuously talking to people as one of my profession requires conversing with people on the daily.

He has a constant “shift to the left” of his eyes which is an indicator of lying. 😊

@adm1819

Жыл бұрын

His personal way of gesturing!

And the speed in which he realised he'd been banned suggests its happened a few times before I feel. He doesn't read the message and he just knows straight away that it's a banning message.

@QueekHeadtaker

Жыл бұрын

along with the fake excitement, and the cheering about being banned. If you were truly innocent you would be confused at first and not go straight to acting.

I thought the exact same thing when I watched that interview. It seems everyone was saying it was a great interview for him, and I was shocked!... I thought he was clearly lying!

I miss Derek's more laid back scenery, tshirts, hair, and mannerisms. he has such a great gregarious personality and it doesn't come through in his new stuff :D

@jeupater1429

Жыл бұрын

I miss Derek actually having a brain.

@ryankueter8396

Жыл бұрын

@SwanFilterTips doubt it. Respectfully

@h4bbqpenger

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever consider that the new suits, the new sets, and the new camera angle is to help him to appear more sophisticated, believable or perhaps even exotic?

@jeupater1429

Жыл бұрын

@SwanFilterTips so basically letting his pseudo scientific flag fly

There’s another poker cheating scandal going on right now, Derek. Would love to hear your opinions on the matter

Why’s this guy trying to demonize Hans lmao what a sham. no way ppl believe this

Thank you for covering this!!

To prevent these types of things from happening, at such a high level, the stream should be on a reasonable delay and limited audience should be allowed into the tournaments. All which have to face metal detection. Fide should invest in a device that can kill signals from entering and leaving the chess hall. Not sure how expensive that would be but might be worth a shot.

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

A signal jammer can be used or making the entire tournament a faraday cage (expensive). One hilarious tournament rule would be to force all players to wear a tin foil hat 😂

@williambeckley3029

Жыл бұрын

@@davidolofsson6928 we're all Alex Jones, after all. Why not?

@williambeckley3029

Жыл бұрын

@@davidolofsson6928 have any of the players had the Jab, that might explain a decline in the level of play

@lollycopter

Жыл бұрын

The delay will definitely be happening in future events. I think the word is that it'll be more like 30 minutes rather than a 15 minute delay too. Fabiano Caruana also said that St Louis CC will also be upgrading to better detectors than the "cheap" ones that they had this year.

@spade8388

Жыл бұрын

A signal jammer from my understanding is illegal in a lot of countries

I can see this guy, Jussie Smollett, and Amber Heard hanging out together and legitimately twisting the reality around them by their sheer force of will.

@the_real_vdegenne

Жыл бұрын

the deception is so heavy even lies can't escape

@davidolofsson6928

Жыл бұрын

One difference, though: EVIDENCE, or rather in the cases you mention, plenty of evidence, and with Niemann still no solid evidence other than him as a minor cheating in y ranked ganes

@dkurt2725

Жыл бұрын

@@davidolofsson6928 minor? So if i cheat here and there is that ok? And how you know he cheated twice lets say junkie got caught twice will it make his withdrawal less painfull?

@tomr6955

Жыл бұрын

Magnus will be joining them you mean. No evidence

@tatbaz1

Жыл бұрын

Hans is almost certainly a cheating junkie.

It's like one of those movies where we all know the criminal but since there isn't any evidence he gets away and we all get pissed. Sometimes you should simply trust your instincts.

Nice video! As a student of Pamela Meyer's Liespotting, I too had reached a similar conclusion following Niemann's interview.

KZread is broke. I cannot see replies on any comments ☹️

Spending 10 years is going to give you an accent though. I'm a Yankee that moved to the south. Guess who has a southern accent after all this time? Me. I used to sound like I was from the upper Midwest. Now I'm like "HOWDEE YALL ARE"

@robvenom1058

Жыл бұрын

Been in southern mississippi for nearly 10 years. I don't hear the accent but when I go see family in illinois it's very obvious to them. Easily acquired within a couple years and now full blown.

I don't believe a word Hans says

Thanks for your body langauge analysis! I just subcribed you! You remind me on Jim Carry! Are you his son? :D

Basically cheating in chess will ruin that game cause it will be impossible to detect cheater you need only one move, one evaluation of the position and 30 minutes to think and you win every game if you are gm

@szalaytamas3184

Жыл бұрын

How is it impossible to detect cheaters?

@dkurt2725

Жыл бұрын

@@szalaytamas3184 you cant take them to the back room bend them or stripped the or anything so if you cant catch him while he is doing something than that's impossible and most chess tournament events don't have equipment to check properly at this point dont even know what to look for and arbiters couldn't care less about their job in some shitty tournament

I’ve watched so many grandmasters explain their moves, each possible permutation for each response, their decision of making choice A over B or C, and they will tend to be harder on themselves when they make a mistake or an inaccuracy (and will refer to it as a blunder at that level) and very rarely will they refer to one of their moves as “brilliant” unless it totally kills. They know exactly what is going on and can visualize and narrate the entire decision tree of of responses that could come after a move. Hans did none of that.

@kingstarscream3807

Жыл бұрын

Not all geniuses operate the same, mate.

@dutchraider2

7 ай бұрын

@@kingstarscream3807 The problem is that you can't get to this level without self reflection. And if you can't even recall what you did in your last played game, and even more so the game you specifically prepared for and was your life goal.... impossible. You would want to dream about every single move you did to get the hard earned win. His beheavior, self relfection of the game and a hell of a lot of other factors just don't add up when you compare his efforts and enormous ego to win and his post-win reaction. It's absolutely redicilous. It's like a Formula 1 driver that only just got a seat for one race, wins the race fullfilling his dreams and then is like "yea it was okay." FUCK OFF x'D!

Why do people make such a big deal about a 12 year old cheating, such an irrelevant point to make. I cheated at shit all the time at the age, it has no effect on who you are today.

@ballskin

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is. They're making a big deal about him cheating from, at least, 12 to 19, which has been proven.

Watching this video brings up a question, what is the difference between lying defensively and nervously telling a truth because of fear? Is there a difference? Is there a similarity? Just curious 😅

Watching DvS is like watching Jim Carrey on Liar Liar

He's hard to listen to, he speaks in bursts. I'm sure it's the fault of that accent. 😁

When did Jim Carrey get a degree in psychology?

@thishandleistaken1011

Жыл бұрын

It's such a bogus degree. People with psychology degrees are usually left side of the bell curve.

There's more inconsistencies in Derek's story.

You are a natural at this but the way you are able to explain it is what's really special.

@Corteum

Жыл бұрын

If only his bodylanguage stuff would stand up in a court of law as actual evidence.

@johnworf

Жыл бұрын

Forget chess - come and watch me play a better game where you cannot use robots to help you cheat - because they aren't as good at humans at the game. What is this game - it's called bridge - a far superior game than chess: kzread.info

@jimthompson8947

Жыл бұрын

Speak to 1,000 people casually a few times and you'll become an expert too.

Forensic, devastating analysis! Also hugely entertaining! Niemann’s Sinquefield post match interviews (rounds 3 and 5) are revealed here as, to quote him, ‘ridiculous’.

@telemahos2

Жыл бұрын

His analysis is weak. He jumps quickly to convenient but arbitrary conclusions and does not examine different explanations. All that with pompous music and visual tactics to convince the viewer he is objective and precise... This kind of analysis here is really crap....

@darrylkassle361

Жыл бұрын

C'mon any real legetimite FBI or law enforcement body language expert will tell you you can not tell if someone is lying based on body language a lone. His a YTer doing it for content. His speaking as if its all fact he makes content for $$$$

@Derek Van Schaik Please check the video where Niemann goes through security; I think there is much there to tell that Niemann was hiding something; He is very tense when they wand him but as soon they go over and pass by the creditcard in his hand he gives off a suprised smirk; Like he got away with something; Letting off tension; Please let me know if this reading is correct or it could have been something else. Much love to you.

just curious, What would you do if someone gave you the line your opponent would play, the night before your game

Honestly, sure the body language or whatever is probably your field, but accents are complex.

At first I thought you were jumping to conclusions. There are crazy accusations...of course he's being defensive and talking about truth... PEOPLE SAY HE HAD A VIBRATING BUTT PLUG!!!🤣🤣 As the video went on, he was acting pretty shady. I'm glad you said at the end that you can't say for sure... He's definitely hiding something.. might be cheating, maybe not. Either way, good video👍

I think this was the single most compromising evidence of your entire field of "expertise" being a bogus

Playing against someone who's widely known to be an online cheater must have some psychological effect too

while I think that he definately cheated. keep in mind that there are tons of explainations as to why he would have had nervous and defensive body language, and there's a reason they don't decide trials just based off the opinions of body language experts

Derek van Schaik? U mean Patrick bateman , Jim carrey, and Chris Hansen’s baby?

To me the weirdest part is actually comparing his body language when he is talking about he will not cheat OTB etc and the body language when he is talking about a targeted attack to him. One may or may not be a lie and the other is what he believed deeply in about the attack to him which is the truth. And also the difference between the talking about his 12 16 yo cheating (which is the truth) and the accent thing the OTB cheating things.

but will FIDE act on a body language assessment? btw there is another young player who I started to suspect was cheating OTB months before the Hans case came up.

@anonymoustopsecret5995

Жыл бұрын

Body language is not proof. It's mostly speculations.

Derek you're a star my dude I seriously can't get enough of these body language videos. You and these uploads are so intriguing. Even my body language expertise has upgraded in the past couple of years lol.

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out the Behavioral Arts

@DF-bx9hd

Жыл бұрын

Check out The Behavioral Arts channel.. you would like it better and it is less biased

Whoa Jack Harlow is trippin …

Very good break down of the this interview. Nice job!