Going back 20 years when I could shoot! I was using a Lanber (badly) for DTL. For some reason, the trigger failed, and a club member handed me his gun to complete the remaining stands. This gun was like a fine-tuned instrument that did whatever I wanted it to do. Later I discovered it was a £1,000 Beretta (20 years ago). Now some people can shoot anything, but that gun showed me how much difference the gun can make to your performance.

Perhaps for part-2 you could close the price gap and compare some of the new £800.00ish Turkish guns etc against pre-loved Pidge's and 525's.

@donavonrobbins1908

3 жыл бұрын

Also keeping the comparison to field gun vs field gun, as opposed to low field gun vs top of the line trap gun, please.

Agricultural farmerish. Not anymore. The technology on farms now is amazing i wonder how many people could even drive a new tractor. You must stop making that analogy. 😂😂😂

@stevenlord782

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed Rob. As much tech in a tractor now days as a bloody jet fighter.

@willbowen4065

3 жыл бұрын

Try fact indeed!

There is so much attention payed to wood and engraving. I believe there's a hole in the market for a high quality but unengraved action, receiver and barrels with well balanced polymer furniture. A sub $2000 silver pigeon with no frills would probably be a real winner. And most machine done engraving is a bit like putting lipstick on a pig anyways so save the consumer a bit if cash and get them into a higher quality firearm.

@jbrunet5562

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I'd rather have attention paid to the action and balance than embellishments. Machine engraving, to me, is everything wrong with mass production: a facsimile of the individual's skill in production. I don't go so far as to say they used to make things better, there is a lot of garbage produced in every era in time forgot, but the effort to make it look like someone spent hours personalizing a gun is disingenuous. I, personally, would rather pay for a nicer functioning firearm than a firearm with fake engraving.

@hughp00

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbrunet5562 I totally agree, engraving doesn't do a thing for improving my score

I think you are getting E Rizzini and B Rizzini mixed up! B Rizzini are not a cheap gun!! E Rizzini are budget, B Rizzini are mid priced and F Rizzini (all related) top end guns. You really need to check before making such comments

as you said david not everybody has got 3k plus to spend on a gun i started with cheap guns and built my way up i now have 2 grade 5 mirokus which suits my needs cheers pete mitchell

Excellent video as always David, me and lily will be down on Saturday. Anybody watching this should really listen to your advice you and your father really helped in making sure I was in the correct gun. Absoloutly love the 525sl I much preferred it to the xs and the pro sport.

Thank you for your work and time, I love this! I bought a couple of Tri Star Upland Hunters from Walmart last year, one in 20 and one in 12. I've always loved doubles, started out on side by sides back in the day. Unfortunately had to sell it, and not having a lot of money the Tri Star was a great pick. Thank you again! Maine USA

I paid about $400 for my TriStar over/under later last year. Looks like it was in the £300 range at the time. I have had no trouble out of mine and it came with 5 chokes and a decent built-in recoil pad. No adjustable comb, though. I'm in my 50's and I just took up clay shooting so I don't expect to ever compete or even be good enough to. But I enjoy doing it and at the end of the day that's all that matters. Whether it's trap, skeet or five stand I thoroughly enjoy getting to pull the trigger and bust clays.

Obviously you don't watch Olympic shooting sports that use shotguns... tough to find a Browning being used there. 65% Perazzi, 25% Beretta, 5% Krieghoff, 3% Caesar Guerini, 2% Everything else. Is much closer to the truth.

Shotguns with recoil reducing futures matters.

I dont agree with the comment Rizzini being a poor gun maker. I have a Browning 525, 725 and I have a Rizzini BR110 Sporter which was over 3000 euro new. It's a beautiful gun and is right up there with my Brownings. And I've owned a Berreta 686 and Lanber Gold Deluxe Sporter. The Lanber was an amazing gun for the money and there are plenty of them still around. Testiment to their build quality. I know you sell Browning but you are far too biased.

@TSCTheshootingchannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment in fact The Oxford Gun Company does sell Browning we also sell Beretta, Rizzini and lots of other gun brands too we have about 600 guns in stock of different makes if you would like to give David a call on your comment he would be happy to discus with you why he said what he said 01844 238 308 again Thanks TSC Team.

My new favorite British phrase: Bunny Bashing!!

Well put together vid...For 200 quid ($400AUD) that is a ridiculously inexpensive entry level gun (Not even half of the basic weekly wage here in Australia) However the difference between price and actual "value" is very apparent when you look at the Browning's etc. Then there is "resale" value. If you look after your Browning / Mirokou / Beretta, over time you will generally recover most of the purchase price, so the initial financial pain of investment is largely negated.

I shoot a citori and it feels good to compared to my Remington 1100, major difference in the feel

This was an amazing episode !!!! Thank You so very much for all that you and everyone at TSC and The Oxford Gun Company does !!!!! Thank You ,,,, Russ Corbett

Great information as usual, very helpful as I too am looking at prices vs benefits. Limited budget at the moment so looking at the Browning Citori and dumping the Turkish Tri Star that proved to be worse than just cheaply made. But hey, lessons learned.

Always find the input on TSC informative and useful. Have used it myself recently to purchase an AYA. Chris Hansford

As one of the other viewers stated you should be more careful when you disparage any Rizzini as a "Cheap" gun. As you know there are three well known companies still making Rizzinis. I.Rizzini company makes guns under the F.A.I.R. moniker and whose guns start at around $1,200 in the U.S are basic but quality made guns. B. Rizzini a step up make some guns that are beautiful higher quality guns with some very nice wood and engraving imported by Rizzini USA. F.lli Rizzini makes very high quality Best guns.

So the cheap gun has 2 inch shorter barrels which reduced weight and then you have barrel weights and stock weights in the high end guns. Add 2 inches of barrel, stock weights, external barrel weights and a limbsaver recoil pad you have a well balanced cheap gun and a bunch of leftover money.

I started many many years ago with a Winchester 101 26” barrels. After about a 1000 rounds I could not open up the gun. Finally, after applying tremendous pressure the gun finally opened up. I looked over the gun but could not figure out what went wrong. After inspecting the empty hulls I noticed that there was a gouged line from the primer to the edge of the brass. What happened is that the firing pins hit the primers and remained embedded in the primer locking the gun up. I sold the gun and purchased a Beretta 682 and never had another issue. You should mention that more expensive guns can and will withstand far more wear and tear.

I was wandering what the differences were. Thank you. Shopping for my first over under. Obviously I can take a cheap gun and add a good recoil pad to it and buy better chokes but how would one go about adding the weights?

Good video - i think 2nd hand guns around £1-£1400 theres lots of mid range beretta and browning and that would make a great video vs 3/4k guns...you could throw in the yildz pro in there as well!

Purpose, price and frequency are the perfect metrics for determining which gun is best for you. Most people have a budget so it's amusing when someone buys an expensive firearm they use 3 times a year at most, but buying a cheap gun and taking it out every week expecting it to last a lifetime is unrealistic. It comes down to how much you enjoy shooting and what you want to get out of it.

Functionally the same; stock, fore end and two barrels. All go bangy bang and put shot in the air. However, just listen to the quality of the action closing on the expensive guns. Functionally the same, built entirely differently. Then add £500 for the brand!

I'm very happy with my 6 year old Baikal that I got last year for £120 from a bloke who'd lost his licence and was paying an RFD to store it. It's multi choke, has a barrel selector, beautiful wood and if I miss with both barrels I can turn it round and break it and the ejectors will fire the empties at the clay with about the same ferocity as the shots. Only issue is I don't think it's suitable for steel shot. If I had to pay much more than £200-£300 for a gun I wouldn't be able to shoot.

@JamesChurchill3

3 ай бұрын

Sounds exactly like the one I bought last year, silver action, multi chokes, decent recoil pad, nice pistol grip and after a bit of fettling, the trigger pulls are actually decent too.

It is not the pen but the penmanship.

Informative video, liked the targets. 💥💥

Great channel. Thanks. New subscriber from Vancouver Canada

David - enjoyed the video. Any chance you could do a video on what gun to start juniors shooting. Had terrible advice if honest. Was advised to buy a 20ga junior semi auto but the problem was the kids struggled to hold the weight between the hands. Was then advised to buy a 28ga but when I looked In to it the 28ga guns are based on a 20ga action and weigh about the same. Ended up getting a yilditz 20ga youth Sporter which my son shot from 10 years old using low recoil cartridges….now moved on to a 12ga. Wouldn’t want others to experience the same problems

@TSCTheshootingchannel

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul I am sorry for your bad advice and I am glad you enjoy TSC if you give David or Doug a call on 01844 238 308 we will be happy to discus and help you out. Thanks TSC team.

It's not the gun it's the gunner that matters show me a man who owns only 1 gun and he is always good with it he doesn't notice the price tag when he mounts it

I not got a really expensive shot gun and I have killed loads with it, and if it get bumped or using it out in the rain I do not cringe as it don’t cost thousands, also I got a beretta extrema semi automatic which is mainly used as my fox gun.

Shotguns are a crude tool, basics are 2 steel tubes, a breach/trigger system and some wood furniture, main difference between a new cheap gun and new expensive is material qualities and geometry, a good shooter will shoot any gun well,, a krieghoff/ perazzi etc is not 500% more mechanical advantage than a browning pro sport etc.longevity between guns like a new ata and a new miroku will be miles apart which is the main thing, The best guns in the "cheap" range are used mirokus etc. A gun that will last 100years and shoot with the best of them

Thanks for your informations....but what do you say about the reciver matterias.....steel or aluminium...which one??

Can you do a comparison between a cheap game gun and an modarate price game gun?

What model is that rizzini i have looked online and the ones i have seen are 2 grand plus

You get what you pay for. Some cheaper guns cannot hold up to the constant shooting.

Would you please take a look at the Brenner BF 20 super sport. I was totally surprised what you get for your money

When my SGC gets approved, I'll have a budget of around 800 pounds, would you recommend older second hand browning or similar or go for new cheaper gun ie ATA or similar. I'll be buying from the shooting school I'm having lessons. But doesn't hurt to have more advice.

@temporaryaccount1039

3 жыл бұрын

Try a webley 912 xs you wont be disappointed

@TSCTheshootingchannel

3 жыл бұрын

Hi thank you for your comment and and I am glad you enjoy the TSC if you need any help on your new gun please give David or Doug a call on 01844 238 308 we will be happy to help you with your new gun. Thanks TSC Team.

@temporaryaccount1039

3 жыл бұрын

Dear mr 1976 doug nor david would do anything but there best for you worth a trip to Oxford. If not then you are doing the right thing by lessons . My son is sponsored by webley & scott with there 912 xs its worth a good look in your price bracket , there are pro and con between new and older higher grade guns . The gun will as much choose you as you the gun . Just with help of an instructor get your stock length right and your comb as close a possible watch your hand size to trigger blade . if thats a 20 yr old browning gti ,mk38 ,os a new webley or koffs if it fits it fits .

@forddude1976

3 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryaccount1039 thank for your help

@fullchoke01

3 жыл бұрын

The best gun to get is the one that fits/feels best to you, and fits your needs, dollar to dollar you can't find better than a used miroku/525, an ata is an ok gun but if you compare it side by side to an mk70 etc miles apart. Happy gun hunting

Great video David. Had a brilliant time in my lesson today. I just want to say a thank-you for all of your help, you and your farther really do have a wealth of knowledge between you. I would say to anyone who is thinking of getting into or want to ask about shotguns or shooting in general to come to you and talk. out of all the guns you picked out for me to try, it was a close call for me between the Fausti fx4 and the ultra pro 30". ( I liked the ultra pro more lol ) Just some tiny things on the video though, and that's the audio and editing, seems a bit rushed maybe? its brilliant that your trying new things with your filming, they just keep getting better, great info and advice given as always David. Looking forward to the next one

Sort you're audio mixes out. Music FAR too loud, voice channel near clipping, but way too low in the mix.

The truth is very simple. Cheap gun is like daily car, drive from A to B. More expensive gun is like race car, only at race track... In my case, I'm fine with old, cheap dirt hunting gun, top barel modified choke, bottom full choke (slighty bigger hole at the end), two triggers, when I start hitting 85-90 per 100 at hunting trap (slow 70km/h) then maybe I will go to something 'more sport one trigger full bla bla replaceable chokes bla bla) ... In my case, I'm bad, better gun doesn't help,. especially when from my cheap dirt good shooter can do 25/25 ;)

Would you consider a 525 game a cheapy gun

Rizzini B are not budget, Rizzini E could be called budget thought I guess.

@TSCTheshootingchannel

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they are the gun in this film has B Rizzini on the gun.

@leep8981

3 жыл бұрын

@@TSCTheshootingchannel where was the Rizzini in this video? Also I would hardly call the Rizzini grand regal budget 🤨

Bit of earwax seems to smoothen it all .

I woos in the clays for a lowing time doing lots of charity fundraising Glasgow Children’s Hospital and the Air Ambulance Scotland so I woos taking out beginners I get a ATA and a Revo 300 for the revo it woos perfect and well paid for that self but going a shooting School it the right guidance if possible 99% shooters are very decent and very helpful and we’ll welcome newcomers into the sport and let you have a short of the gun as long as you treat it with care and respect

How to make an expensive gun cheap, actually take it rough hunting for foxes and after a month your 3k browning will be worth 1k.

Each has its place.

Good info, thanks.

Today I've compared one bock for 500 euro, then 2000 euro and 5000 euro. I think I will collect for last one ...

Good information!!! Thanks for making and sharing

The difference you pay for between the £199 and the Browning costing 20 times as much is a recoil pad? On a gun that will be fed a diet of low base target rounds? Get serious.

Have you seen tractors these days

A very good video David this is a good side-by-side comparison stay safe.👍👍👍

Great video. 👍👍

Looking for any information on a miroku 6000 skeet grade 3 I’ve inherited made 1982

@TSCTheshootingchannel

3 жыл бұрын

The Oxford Gun Company has got one in stock now give the gun room a call for more information on 01844 238 308.

I think you're way off base. Please check your facts. And apologize to farmers and Rizzini. They make a wide variety of guns... All quality. Italian gun trade is very intertwined. Lots to be had within wide variety of price range.

so to make things a bit clear. you showed us a 525 with 8 chokes and no engraving that costs £3500 .and not made to measure. next to a cheap rizzini that can be taylormade and you told us that you can win olympics with a browning..that is totally misleading. and i cannot even recall anybody going to a high end sport with a browning that is famous for pitting firing pins after 5 shots when brand new

Not sure you being objective, there are many budget gun in between. You only promoting one cheep gun .i shoots high quality gun , but for the beginning with a limited budget there are many cheaper or good quality second hand guns. One cheep= 3 high quality is a fair comparison. Not trying to be negative ,just thinking of the many people trying to get into shooting on a budget

Nonsense If you know how to shoot Gun doesn't matter Gun itself doesn't shoot Practice makes perfect

Well spoken, I agree.

Got a soft spot for Lanbers.

A modern gun has a recoil reducer in the stock..., seriously David, do you really believe that nonsense? I know that you really do know what your talking about but your not articulating it very well. And then lets see you shoot those targets from a gun down position and stress that fit is paramount to a good fitting gun!

Does it uses battery