Your godson did a great job. Did not expect another narrator on this channel so it was quite a surprise

@elwoodzo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I was like “he sounds different - has he got a new mic?” But he did such a great job I was wondering all the way through....

@PNurmi

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he did!! I was still expecting a "titel-pip" at the end...😂

@foreverpinkf.7603

Жыл бұрын

I love the Wargaming disclaimer; so true.

@wbertie2604

Жыл бұрын

Very smooth.

I too was surprised by the change of narrator, your godson did a great job; clear and precise language. Was very surprised to read he's 14, sounds much more err... mature. Good job

@alan-sk7ky

Жыл бұрын

shame about the Zee though,

@deptusmechanikus7362

Жыл бұрын

Narrator changed?

Absolutely love experiments like this. It's really fascinating stuff. The 32lb gun was a good gun, shame it never really had a proper use.

@GARDENER42

Жыл бұрын

Interesting to see it was fitted to & fired from a Mosquito in place of the Molins 57mm!

I just want to point out your note to Wargaming. This is great, but lets include Gaijin, as well, lol.

I wondered about the change of narrator, as I watched the video before reading the above. Your godson did fine, way better than a 14 year old me (51 years ago...) could have.

I had to read the description to understand why the voice change was a thing, but now that I do know... Ed, you should be darn proud of the kid. He did an excellent job, and I'd love to see you two work together in the future.

The lad did a good job; with some experience he should become an excellent reader/narrator--or even voice actor! An 88 rigidly mounted in a 38t...just pop into neutral when firing, and automatically back out of the firing position!

The basic idea of having the turret and hull structure absorb the recoil energy directly instead of using a recoil buffer is good. I was a turret gunner in the army and I can tell you that a recoiling gun is extremely dangerous in such a confined space. A fixed gun would be much safer. In addition the recoil mechanism itself can get dangerously hot which causes it to lose effectiveness, leading to the possibility of a recoil over-run during rapid fire. I always wondered why tank designers didn't just reinforce the gun mounting to absorb the recoil directly, and always assumed it was because of excessive weight. However you imply that there were other problems as well. I was amazed when you said that the fixed-gun system led to the blowing out of the periscopes! But I don't understand how not having a recoil buffer mechanism could do that. The explosive blast comes out of the gun muzzle, not the breach. It should make no difference inside the turret whether the gun has a buffer or is fixed. What am I missing here?

@armouredarchives8867

Жыл бұрын

the shock of the gun beign taken into the armour - though at this point it was overcharged too muich higher than normal -

@FairladyS130

Жыл бұрын

The tank is not going to passively absorb the shock energy, there will be a reaction. It will vibrate just like when a sheet of steel vibrates when hit with a hammer. To every action there is an equal opposite reaction.

@paoloviti6156

Жыл бұрын

The Germans at the final months of war pursue the concept of fixed gun on the Jagdpanzer 38 in Czechoslovakia for reasons of speeding up the production but it did developed issues like cracked front armour but the end of the war stopped any development...

@armouredarchives8867

Жыл бұрын

@@paoloviti6156 yup, which is why we added that to this video :)

@jintsuubest9331

2 ай бұрын

Short answer is newton's law. When explosive goes off inside the breeches, the expanding gas pushes on all direction. For the sake of simplicity, let's just say it only push against the projectile and the breech face. 1/3 of the energy was convert to energy sending the projectile flying, 1/3 of the energy get push against the breech, 1/3 of the energy get vented out the muzzle end. Without a recoiling device, the 1/3 that get slam against the breech will have to transfer into the gun mount, which get transfer into the rest of the vehicle. If your vehicle did not physically moves back, that energy has to go somewhere else. Stuff that's relatively loosely connected, such as optics will get destroy in the process. Your observe the recoil system getting hot. Have you wonder why it was the case? It is largely because of the internal friction generated by the moving component of the recoil system. Lastly, the engineer do take into account of how much recoil the vehicle frame, the gun mount, the suspension, etc can absorb. It is a balancing act, just like any other engineering problem. A flawed but somewhat useful explanation. There are 3 proposed design of afv, one without active recoil element, one with only active recoil element, one with a mix of both. The static design will have to reinforce component vehicle frame, suspension, etc while also engineer some isolated suspended mount for optics and crew. The resulted vehicle will have twice the weight compare to the active recoil vehicle. Much of the weight is dead weight. But when we examine the design of the active recoil design, although it is 1/2 the weight of the static design, the volume the recoil system occupied is roughly twice of the static vehicle. The travel of recoil also means you need to elongate your design to accommodate the recoil travel or your vehicle has opening allowing the recoil to travel. This engineer compare, contrast, made optimization, and came up with a hybrid design that relies on both active and static element to absorb the recoil, which is what all vehicle use now days.

Yet another footnote of history fleshed out. Thanks.

The idea of rigidly mounting a gun is terrifying to me from an engineering perspective. I can't imagine how short the fatigue life would be on the turrets of those tanks. I'm with the German engineers here, the Brits are crazy for even trying. Even though the 17 pounder turret somehow managed to not break after a couple hundred shots, I can't imagine it would last a whole lot longer without issues. At the very least I presume parts would eventually deform enough to where it begins to effect accuracy.

Very good video, if your godson was able to narrate like that at 14 then he's going to do well moving forwards I'd reckon, very good!

Appreciate giving the opportunity and your godson certainly has potential! That said, I still currently prefer your ”tea and bisquits” dry British deadpan delivery but certainly can live with either - especially when I apparently was about his age when I started digging into tanks myself. Future looks promising!

Liquid propellant is an extremely interesting subject, but really hard to find anything about.

Your new narrator for this video speaks very clearly throughout the video. This is very helpful, so please tell your godson he has done a good job.

The boy did a great job. I think there is a lot of interest in all things British just that some people put it down so others keep quiet. another great video Keep up the good work.

Always loved the 32pdr anti-tank gun. Your Godson's voice is decent for narrating.

Your new Narrator did so well I thought you'd just got a new mic or something. I did like the comment about the blueprints for wargaming🤣

The narrator did great. I do prefer when you narrate yourself but this is still a great video. My main disappointment was no "teetil pip" (or whatever you say) at the end. Though to be honest, it probably would have bothered me more to hear it in someone else's voice. Thanks for another interesting video.

@nekophht

Жыл бұрын

I think it's technically "toodle pip" and yeah, it was somewhat odd not to have that. At least the (guest) narrator did well overall.

@ddegn

Жыл бұрын

@@nekophht "toodle pip" Thanks.

@thhseeking

Жыл бұрын

It was the "zee" instead of "zed" that was odd to me. Unfortunately, we're having the same happen here in Australia :(

I don't often comment on this kind of video but I just wanted to say I love your work. And I've been watching and a subscriber for a year or 2 now. Thanks for the hard-work and edutainment. 😁 The new narrators quite good also.

“These are not real blueprints, Wargaming” Subbed.

The explanation of how a rigidly mounted gun requires the turret to be strengthened to deal with the recoil of the gun being fired when not spread out by the recoil system actually answers the question that had been bugging me about how the T 34-85, Panzer 3 and other vehicles with off centre guns were able to fire without damaging their turret rings. It still annoys me that they're not symmetrical but now I know why they can get away with it.

The shock everytime a shot was taken was surely insane. I would like to see the whole tank dance after a sideway shot, to see how it's absorbed in the suspension.

This was a fascinating subject! I never heard of this before. One of the reasons I subscribed to your channel is because of all of the unusual vehicles you find and discuss. Keep these unique vehicles coming. Your godson did a wonderful job of narrating this tutorial.

The promised rigid mounting video teased years ago! The recoil system's primary function isn't to absorb or reduce the recoil force (although it does by turning some into heat), rather it's to spread out the force over a longer time. Always thought the problem would be structural, turns out it's the squishy bits. Never thought about that. Do you think heavier tanks would help lessen it or would shock just not care?

@prd6617

Жыл бұрын

my bet is it can lessen the force, but then how heavy/big the tank need to be

I'd like to hear more about liquid propellants now. Now I've just thought about it, it sounds like it could have a huge amount going for it and I'm really wondering why it isn't a thing in modern vehicles. It'd be more volume efficient (and easier to manage your volume), safer (though I don't know by what margin), and I could see it having logistical and resupply advantages.

@solreaver83

Жыл бұрын

As far as I'm aware it's still an ongoing concept but still not working

@ThumperE23

Жыл бұрын

Last I heard the US Army was looking into it for the Crusader Self-Propelled Howitzer before it was dropped for a conventional gun, and that was before the Crusader was dropped for more improvements to the M109.

@Graham-ce2yk

Жыл бұрын

Same here, the fictional MBT-90 in Gavin Lyall's 'Uncle Target' (1988) is fitted with a 120mm liquid propellant gun, that is described as being backwards compatible with the shells used in the Chieftain and Challenger I. In the novel it's implied that the fix was computer monitoring of the propellant mixture. As a fictional tank I've been looking into the real world antecedents of, it's always nice to discover a new piece of the puzzle.

@ivanmonahhov2314

Жыл бұрын

Ohh there are a few problems: liquid explosives are very powerfull meaning chamber pressures are much higher. they are also more sensetive, the logistics of transporting such ammunition are intersting, if such liquid propellant detonates inside the tank you are sending turret to the moon.

Your godson did great

14 years old? Well done that man, more of this sort of thing. NB loved the dig at Wargaming re blueprints!!! Go to the top of the class.

Another of your excellent presentations. Thank you for the time and effort you are putting in doing these for us.

Your godson did an excellent job. Imagine if Chieftain had ended up with a LP gun.

Liquid propellant guns! Well I certainly learned something new today! Great stuff.

Besides being interesting and informative (and well-narrated), the writing and graphics are extremely funny. Glad to sub

Another fascinating video,thank you 👍

Good info and entertaining, (at least I think so!). Always enjoy your channel's postings - Thanks

Honestly british tank design is amazing its fantastic to know just how cutting edge we where and that some one is shining a light on it

cool stuff! and well done on the narration!

Very interesting indeed. Thanks a lot for the video.

Havn't watched it yet but giving you an upvote already because I've always been interested in whether or not the 32 pdr saw more use than just on the Tortoise.

Krupp had the idea of stopping recoil in a turret mounted fortress gun in the 19th. Century. The muzzle was in the shape of a large ball which was fixed into the massive armour of the turret, thus preventing recoil by the mass of the armour. Don't know if it was successful though.

The narrator is 14? They did a fantastic job.

This channel is fantastic!

Thank you for the video. It occurs to me that, for a HESH round where velocity, within limits, is not a necessary factor, a rigidly mounted gun could alter it’s trajectory by altering the injected propellant to suit thus would need no mechanical elevation. This is done by mortars and artillery routinely today by adding a certain number of charges to the round as appropriate. A liquid propellant system that was finely adjustable could do the same as required.

Good job! May I make a request? I have always been fascinated by the developments and research the British did for armour protection. Chobham, Still Brew, etc. Is there enough declassified material to do a video on British Cold Was Armour protection development?

Cheeky WG joke detected in the part where you demonstrate the concept of the rigid gun mount. Great video BTW Ed

"giving RNG numbers that would make Wargamming blush". Brilliant.

Good job 🎉 with the narration.

A well designed muzzle brake helps reduce rearward energy

Very interesting stuff nicely packaged and good narration. I hope these kinds of VIdeos find a bigger audiance.

Thank you great video

He's done quite well.

Good job !

I read a book about a liquid propellant gun in a new British tank the 80s. A tale of fiction. I think the prototype tank was called Crusader in the book. I thought it sounded a bit of a tall tale even when I was only 16. Things need to be used under stress so they need to be durable as a primary priority. Cheers subbed.

@Graham-ce2yk

Жыл бұрын

That would most likely have been Gavin Lyall's 'Uncle Target' from 1988, it's been interesting to watch the Armoured Archives and as the episodes come out see where the the idea's that led to the novels MBT-90 'Champion' came from. I'm hoping one day the channel will cover the novel.

brilliant

Voiceover has thrown me a bit,but did very well,clear and succinct

How the heck have I never heard of an LP gun? amazing, I thought I knew a bit about tanks but I've never heard of this concept before.

Excellent video, interesting topic and well done on the voicing! As for "British tanks will never be as interesting as German" Don't worry. If it's about military machinery, I'm in.

Neat new voice 👍🏻👌🏻

You have done the unfortunate thing of making me want this beauty in war thunder!

Interesting vid as ever ,great that a researcher as good as yourself is looking into British tanks, the narrator did a great job, very natural

The different narrator took me off guard for a second lol. He did a good job though! He sounds mature for a fourteen year old

Excellent presentation, informative, well enunciated and surprisingly calming to listen to. Great stuff, thank you. No subscribed.

@megapangolin1093

Жыл бұрын

Now subscribed..

“Theseare not real blueprints, Wargaming!”

Very interesting topic. I wonder if any further investigations and trials have been carried out, or will be. The potential seems massive.

I love the "These are not real blueprints wargaming" LMFAO

A full video about liquid propellant would be very interesting.

An open horseshoe within a horseshoe arrangement extending around the full outside of the turret (to absorb the recoil) would have freed up the inside of the turret for everything including the Soggy bits plus an armoured box on the rear of the turret for the ammunition...... not forgetting the blowout panels..... job done ✔

@edward9674

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand, how does that look like?

@simonwood1402

Жыл бұрын

@@edward9674 in appearance think vaguely of the AMX-13....the recuperators would be fitted and shielded externally within an armoured horseshoe around the outside of the turret the entire recoil mechanism is removed from inside thereby freeing internal volume ....it would just be an experimental adaptation to allow for the testing of the 32 pounder.... nothing complicated and simple to produce

Can we hear more about liquid propellant guns?

@armouredarchives8867

Жыл бұрын

yep can do in future for sure - a lot of text, less so images

I'm slowly but surely getting an appreciation for British tank design.

Always amazes me that we Brits couldnt make a half decent tank for nearly 10 years and then seemingly out of nowhere comes the Centurion and sets the standard from then on.

Honestly while I love the big cats, the quirky shit the mad scientist's devise at ordinance research division of almost any country are just as interesting. Also well done on the narration.

Excellent presentation👍. Apologies if this is a stupid question, with the solid mountings for the guns would this be similar to those mounts used in ships turrets of the time? Most footage we see of Battleships firing no recoil is evident this being transferred through the hull. would this mean the suspension was "upgraded" on these vehicles? And what happened when firing with turret at 3 and 9 O`clock?

@Simon_Nonymous

Жыл бұрын

It's not a stupid question, but I always thought that even the biggest guns on battleships recoiled on systems just like a tank or artillery pieces, and a quick Google seems to confirm this. The USS New Jersey main guns apparently recoil 48 inches; there's a lot of Google hits on the subject of whether there is enough force to move the ship or flip it over etc if all guns are fired at once, and one of the reasons this doesn't happen is that the recoil systems slow down the transfer of force to the ship, plus they are pretty massive objects too, so it seems to balance out. PS - maybe the footage we see where the barrels don't seem to recoil is perhaps blank charges being fired for the cameras? Just a guess :-)

Any chance of a detailed video on liquid propellant guns etc?

I have a suggestion video. Can you explain what Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm is? It would interesting seeing how this vehicle came to me

I bet you could make a very consistent liquid propellant gun today w/ modern high pressure fuel injectors.

I think it's more interesting as we seemed to be catch up after the demise of the armed forces after WWI due to government cost cuts. Pretty well all research was either a paper exercise or limited to a specific government contract which were few and far between.

I’ve never heard of liquid propellant before so thanks very much …

Welp, I predict WG will introduce the liquid propellant ammunition as some sort of ultra premium but only available to those who have the new WoT’s plus subscription and for real money like gold ammo used to be,or something absurd like that,seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised and I promise they would sale the hell out of it

"note: these are not real blueprints" Wargaming: 💀

When I used to play World of Tanks I had a Centurion. I like British tanks and I'm American. Chieftains are pretty interesting as well.

32 bloody pounder, btw can you do a video on seeing if the italian td line in WoTB is fake?

I have always been a proponent of liquid propellant due to the many benefits - ease of storage, thus increase in ammunition carried. Safety of the propellant. Significant increase in firing rate. Ability to inject different ammo loads to achieve different flight paths (somewhat more relevant to a howitzer). Faster ammunition re-supply. The US designed a 155 howitzer using liquid propellant back in the 70s. They were able to fire fast enough and with varying trajectories to achieve 6 rounds simultaneously on target - a pretty big benefit! I am sure with todays technology that we could overcome the difficulties of using liquid propellant and make use of the benefits. I wonder if the howitzer design was dropped in order to maintain commonality with NATO?

I would like to see video of these rigid mounted guns

Looking at the breech for the liquid propellant guns, it looks like an absolute nightmare full of leaks. The crew would need to be trained plumbers.

New tank for the brit tech tree I think

yoooo the Caernarvon in wot has this

I love the “these are not real blue prints wargaming”

Also more British and commonwealth tanks please

Would the STRV 103 have been a good example of "Ridged" gun mount? As i'm pulling a blank on how it's recoil was handled

Looks ready for warthunder

Not actual plans wargaming. That cracked me up.

With technical advancement, would it be worthwhile revisiting liquid propellant?

Why do I want this in war thunder so bad as a premium

So in game mechanics, a rigidly-mounted gun allows for greater crew skills (since they have more room to work with), but has worse after-firing dispersion. And breaks modules every time it's fired. And degrades crew skills the more it's fired since squishy bits don't do well with shock. Dunlop rubber seats mitigate this crew degradation feature, but the Hetzer 88 doesn't have it.

@armouredarchives8867

Жыл бұрын

well if you wanted this in WT. i don't know if it would be that fiddly - simple way would be to have 2 shots, a standard 32pdr, and an overcharged round - which is the same as the 105mm late guns relatively speaking so very good for its rank. - balanced by either limited numbers of special rounds, longer reloads after use, or yes minor module dmg to itself. but I doubt they would add it in any interesting way or would just over-tier it making the rest of the vehicle useless.

💥👍💥

It was a little weird not hearing you speak at first, but your godson did a fantastic job. Clear articulation and speaking at a good steady pace. Would never have guessed he was 14.

Did UK ever put the 3.7 inch AA gun [equivalent of 88mm ] into a tank?

I wonder if anyone ever designed a recoilless rifle to fit inside a turred by having the both exhaust port and muzzle outside and turret enclosed around them, seems like it'd work.

Presumably the 32 pdr was the same gun used on the Tortoise?

Is it the same 32pndr on the tortoise?

OK, liquid guns would _totally_ be possible now. Just look at the injection systems on modern combustion engines and the insane computational fluid dynamics we use to get them right. You can do this now. I don't even think it would be difficult.

@MostlyPennyCat

Жыл бұрын

I mean a direct injection petrol cylinder is literally already a fluid propellant firearm, the projectile is just captured. Hell, it's almost binary already as you have to mix an inert liquid (petrol) with the oxidiser (air) in the correct ratio and state before igniting it electrically.

*These are not real blueprints Wargaming 🤣🤣🤣