Tank Chats #7 British Mark II | The Tank Museum
Tank Chats playlist • Tank Chats from The Ta... The seventh in a series of short films about some of the vehicles in our collection presented by The Tank Museum's historian David Fletcher MBE.
Only fifty tanks each of Marks II and III were produced. They were unarmoured, in the sense that the steel from which they were built was not heat treated to make it bullet proof. The reason being that these tanks were only intended for use as training machines.
The chief external differences from Mark I lay in the tail wheels, which were not used on Marks II and III and later heavy tanks, the narrower driver's cab and the 'trapezoid' hatch cover on the roof.
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"You can attack if you wanted to, It wouldn't do you any good" Ah David Fletcher you made me spill my drink
@beansummoner
3 жыл бұрын
*you can..... attack et, ef yeh wahnt tue; itwohntdueyehahnyguhd.
This guy is freaking brilliant, i could literally watch him talk about tanks for days.
@nuada__2991
8 жыл бұрын
+Slartibarfart Same
@virtouozos7181
8 жыл бұрын
+Slartibarfart i feel the same!!!
@switchest26
8 жыл бұрын
+Slartibarfart I was gonna say the same.... a couple of tankards of ale at the pub! :-)
@QuadcopterAnalyze1980
8 жыл бұрын
+switchest26 2 true
@sabufinisher
8 жыл бұрын
+Slartibarfart he has many published books about tanks man he is encyclopedia of tanks
You can really appreciate the evolution of the tank when you look at these WW1 era tanks.
David Fletcher MBE. You are the godfather of tank knowledge
This guy, I swear. Jingles didn't lie, the charisma of this man, so nice to listen to :P
@gastonbell108
5 жыл бұрын
He's a good bloke.
If only Dr. Moustache did more of these videos. His voice is so soothing....
@orangejoe204
8 жыл бұрын
+Zoltan Katona Little known fact: his mustache is actually designed to protect his upper lip from shaped charge rounds in a manner similar to slat armor. Thus far, it has proven highly successful...
@zoltankatona6828
8 жыл бұрын
***** So Mr Fletcher is best used, hull-down.
@joeblow9657
7 жыл бұрын
pervert!
Fireside chats? Pshaw. Tank chats is where it's at. Subscribed a year or so ago after i discovered them. Mr. Fletcher is excellent. One of the best historical presenters ever. I hope they have some of these videos running on loops on monitors next to the vehicles in question. Better yet, i hope he conducts some live tours there. I hope to go there in the next year or two.
Pity the chap who drew the short straw and got this tank with no armor protection.
@chrisg2739
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly would rather take my chances in this than sitting in a trench ready to go over the top.
@Maus5000
6 жыл бұрын
Bullets don't just automatically ignite petrol on contact. I think it was more an issue to do with field gun high explosive rounds. Perhaps also to do with the fact that if the tank went nose-down, the engine would be starved of fuel thanks to the no-longer-working gravity feed
@Briselance
5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisg2739 If it comes to this, I would rather take my chances in the open. I'd prefer being even a remotely identifiable corpse, rather than a charrred one. :-S Besides, in the open, a bullet to the head or pretty much anywhere in the torso would be a cleaner and quicker death.
@chrisg2739
5 жыл бұрын
Briseur De Lance oh for sure! But what about a lingering death from dissentary or malaria or and infection from trenchfoot? Those aren’t quick nor clean ways to go. Those reasons are also why so many people signed up to be pilots when that was an option. They would rather take their chances in the sky than rot in a ditch. Either way I think we can all agree the choices weren’t great.
@Weisior
4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisg2739 Its still better to rot alive in trench than to go to the sea with nowhere to go after your ship get flooding with water.
Interesting and informative as always. I love the casual way you talk about the tanks. I just wish you could do them more often. Maybe once or twice a week :)
@tank_buster
9 жыл бұрын
***** I would love to, but flights from Cape Town are a little expensive :)
@haroldellis9721
6 жыл бұрын
...and from the USA, but come next summer...
This series is so sweet and awesome. Great info about machines, interesting and immensely pleasant to watch and listen to.
Very interesting that we're going to be seeing non-British tanks too from Bovingtons enormous collection. Won't deny I love seeing all the Brit ones, but hey, whatever Mr Fletcher wants to talk about I'm happy to listen to!
'The Flying Scotsman': Oh, the HUMOR in that..... 😁
Thank you David. I must say that I think you have a brilliant presentation style. 🇬🇧
Thank you for your vast knowledge of this tanks.
Thank you once again for sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated.
These are wonderful, thanks Mr Fletcher! :)
Thank you very much for doing these videos!
As always, very informative.
Very informative. Thank you.
Really excited for the FT!
These videos are very cool.
We love you David Fletcher. Please know that.
Fletcher is great as always. One thing that caught my eye was 4:24...
@Leatherface123.
3 жыл бұрын
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great vid mate
Amazing, please more :D
these will always be my favourite tanks mark 1-4
Nobody dislike this video, good.
Thanks.
Very good Video, I never knew that the Mk.2 & Mk.3 were armourless
Superb stuff, :-)
Thank you for this video :) Great as always :)
Very interesting! :)
this should be a tier 2 heavy tank
@MrJ3
8 жыл бұрын
+Timothys Fraud! I agree!
@Paveway-chan
8 жыл бұрын
+Timothys Fraud! If only the game had functionality for more than one gun at the same time. Then again, we'd want a tank with male sponsons, those machineguns probably can't pen the armour of any of the tier 1 tanks in WoT xD
@TimothyMark7
8 жыл бұрын
Erik Bergström in war thunder the mark 2 should work well as a tier 1 premium
@MrJ3
8 жыл бұрын
Erik Bergström Looking at the O-I. Like 4 75mm guns and 1 150mm
@Paveway-chan
8 жыл бұрын
Might work in WarThunder. But let's be honest. It's be so much crap it wouldn't even be funny.
Just imagine the poor crews. "Yeah these tanks have no armor and drive just as fast as armored tanks, it's for trying really, but anyways you will assault the enemy trenches with them since the Mark IV isn't ready yet."
1084 likes, 0 dislikes, that's a record :)
@LanternLooney
7 жыл бұрын
We shall celebrate!
二代目!ソンムから百年を超えました!馬の騎兵隊がなくなりつつあるよぉ💥
It always make me think that we should teach budding engineers how amazing the family of steels is.
So, she's a Lady. She even winked at me. Exceptional video.
I'd love to see him do a presentation on the skoda/pz 35
I notice the secondary gearbox levers of this tank are painted red. In the Cambrai documentary, when they show the interior of the Mark IV (I assume HMLS Excellent) the gearbox levers are unpainted/dark grey. Is the red paint original? Did they stop applying this paint by the time the Mark IV was being produced?
Mr fletcher how thick is the armour on the turret of the conqueror it looks very substantial kindest regards 👍
And the panda the Coppola it to looks very heavy Armor 👍
I keep noticing the big cracks around the tow mount at the front.
If I remember correctly, Mark II females, and in fact all female tanks during the Arras period, had their armored Vickers sponson MGs swapped out for Lewis guns. Seemed like a good idea at the time - they quickly found out that it wasn't. A mistakethat wasn't rectified until the Mark V tank's introduction. I'm not saying the museum should alter their early female sponson to fit Lewis guns though, that would be ridiculous. But F53 Flying Scotsman here is the only Mark II to ever mount Vickers MGs to my knowledge.
@Maus5000
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting followup - evidence shows the tanks came off the factory lines with fittings for Hotchkiss MGs instead of Lewis guns where applicable. The Mark II male sponsons and driver's cabs were modified to fit the Lewis by Central Workshops in France, as were the Mark I female sponsons to replace the Vickers with Lewis guns.
@andrewclayton4181
2 жыл бұрын
The Lewis guns were not popular with the tank crews, as they sucked the fumes back into the tank. They argued for the Hotchkiss, but we're ignored by the higher powers.
Jingles sent me. Great video.
Were you basically safe if you stood straight in front of it? Seeing how's there's no forward facing guns.
@ethanwoodier7929
9 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, but you have to remember that infantry could still shoot you . But I don't think that the tank could hit you.
@theminecartgaming
9 жыл бұрын
Appletank8 is did have an mg in the cab front (or at least the mk iv did and there's a hole there.
@builder396
9 жыл бұрын
Appletank8 How about the tank simply drives over you?
@Appletank8
9 жыл бұрын
builder396 These things generally weren't very fast, so its not that hard to literally walk faster than it.
@11Kralle
7 жыл бұрын
Hmm... standing upright in WW1's "No man' s land" straight in front of an approaching tank? That's a good way to test ones chance of survival! I basically wonder how often that happened...
You'd think that they could have just bolted a little more plate up front before sending them into battle. How damn difficult would that have been in contrast to a burned out tank and crew?
1.15 They didn't have enough Mark 4 tanks for the attack so they used Mark 2 tanks designed for training knowing that they were not actually bullet-proof. Sounds like the British army. The entry hatch was too small so it was very rare that everyone got out alive when the tank caught fire, which is why they were not very popular!
The flying Scotsman express tank
What is considered a female/male tank? Very informative and interesting video! Thanks.
@TornadoADV
9 жыл бұрын
***** Female tanks were lighter and carried a primary MG armament, Male tanks were heavier and carried a primary cannon armament (Though most Male tanks carried a smattering of their own MGs, their arc coverage was lacking compared to Female tanks.)
@Hellblazzer
9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks for the excellent answer! Always learning =)
@Maus5000
6 жыл бұрын
The weight difference between a Male and Female Mark I or II was very insignificant. It wasn't until later production Mark IIIs that a much smaller and lighter Female sponson began to be used. Only then were Female tanks noticeably lighter
@andrewclayton4181
2 жыл бұрын
It was intended to fit tanks with the 6 pounder quick firing naval gun, but there weren't enough available, so they decided to equip half of the batch with machine guns instead. The two types were described as Male/ Female but there was no other difference between the early examples. Later, on in the mark 5s, the female sponsors were much reduced in size and a large escape hatch was fitted underneath.
Very interesting. What does the male and female relate to?
@Rickardo9828
9 жыл бұрын
John Packer the armament, female tanks had machine guns and male had cannons
@MrBandholm
9 жыл бұрын
John Packer Male has two 6 pounder guns and 2 machine guns, Female 2 machine guns on each side
@strilight
9 жыл бұрын
bandholm To add on, there were also Hermaphrodite Tanks with one Male Sponson with a Six-Pounder and one Female Sponson with a machine gun.
The design of the early tanks gave a huge internal volume. Something not exploited in AFV's until the APC came into fashion. Stripping everything out except the engine and drivetrain, would have permitted at least 12 infantry to embark. I wonder what happened in WWI when some clever junior officer or NCO suggested using one of the new fangled "tanks" to carry infantry fwd with some armoured protection? Probably told that was not cricket old boy! Get up there and face off that machine gun. "Jump to it, you horrible little man."
@jalefkowit
4 жыл бұрын
Gus Gone They actually tried it! See this Tank Chat on the Mark IX for more info: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5OjvJabidqyf5s.html
I believe that the Germans captured some of these unarmoured tanks and developed an anti-tank bullet to counter them. Their infantry became disillusioned when they tried them against armoured mark IV''s and found them bouncing off ineffectively.
wasn't this Mark 2 Panzer the british response to the german King Tiger?
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4:25. Oh hi World of Tanks developers.
They armored the machine guns but not the tank
Eat your heart out Forgotten Weapons!
I keep hearing of training tanks ending up in actual combat, why did that keep happening?
@Treblaine
7 жыл бұрын
***** But they're useless, rifles and machine guns will rip them up. It has to be a mistake.
@KyleKatarnBanthaHerder
7 жыл бұрын
In some cases, training tanks were accidentally given to combat units. In other cases, there simply wasn't anything better available, mainly in defensive actions. Even with thin armor, it still has guns and can be put in an ambush position or surrounded by sandbags. Plus, they can be used as a sort of psychological gambit to discourage attack as well, with the enemy not realizing that they're just training tanks. Armies used to stock forts with logs disguised as cannon to discourage attack. I'd argue that a training tank would be a bit more useful than even that.
"Even a machine gun bullet would go through it if you weren't careful" - remember to always practice firearm safety near tanks!
so matter of fact the door is small the crew would try to get out if not they would be burned alive
The first Tommy Cooker? I hate military vehicles that kill more of their crew than the enemy.
Isn't Fletcher wrong in regards to armour penetration by machine gun fire? Weren't these tanks largely invulnerable to such weapons?
@Conor-uu5mu
8 жыл бұрын
Considering it's his job as a tank historian (and the fact he has an mbe) I'd say he knows his stuff. Not wanting to cause offence or anything but out of the two of you I'd say he was right and that you are the one who is wrong in that respect. Don't want to upset you or insult you, just wanted to point out that he knows his stuff about tanks...
@joydiv0
8 жыл бұрын
+Conor5291 Thank you for an absolutely pointless response. Off course he knows his stuff, but everyone makes mistakes. I would very much like to know what being an MBE entails in this particular case. I was candidly appealing to someone with knowledge on the subject. Clearly not your case. As to the matter in question, I remain convinced these tanks were invulnerable to machine guns. I've seen it mentioned in other sources. And it makes absolute sense, given their function, that these breakthrough tanks shouldn't be vulnerable to the myriad of machine guns present in the battlefield. Artillery pieces are off course another matter entirely.
@webtoedman
8 жыл бұрын
These were training tanks, they were built with plain steel plate, rather than scarce and expensive armour plating.
@joydiv0
8 жыл бұрын
+webtoedman Yeah you're right but the germans still needed armour piercing bullets to penetrate these tanks. Common machine gun rounds would bounce. Hence my first post. Off course, I don't know exactly what Mr Fletcher was referring to. But I still think his general assertion is somewhat misleading.
@TheAlexagius
8 жыл бұрын
I doubt it, 8mm mauser will punch through mild steel (which this likely is) with ease, the armour steel is hardened steel and as you say would require armour piercing rounds to have a hope of going through.
Did the Mark series of tanks do any good on the WWI battlefield? And, did the Germans learn to destroy these tanks?
@fuckinantipope5511
Жыл бұрын
If they didn't do any good they wouldn't have been used.
@mu99ins
Жыл бұрын
@@fuckinantipope5511 - We have something in common. We don't know what good these tanks were. And we don't know how effective the Germans battled these tanks.
@fuckinantipope5511
Жыл бұрын
@@mu99ins yes, we do know. And you'd know if you'd just do 5 minutes of research. The first use of tanks in 1916 wasn't a success, but later they turned the tides, turning the stationary trench war into a moving war again. The germans learned how to take them out too. They used obvious things like artillery to destory tanks but also developed new weaoons like the Tankgewehr to destory them. Regular infantry used grenades and some got issues hardened steel core bullets which could pen their 1,5mm thick armor from close up.
@mu99ins
Жыл бұрын
@@fuckinantipope5511 - Thanks for that effort, but I hope you don't think I've been asking you, personally, for an answer, where you searched for 5 minutes on the internet. And please don't do any more research on my part. And do something about your sour attitude.
@fuckinantipope5511
Жыл бұрын
@@mu99ins and you should learn how to use a search engine or the KZread search bar. Because there is plenty of detailed videos on this topic.
"some of the females hade been made into experimental transmission mounts"
Half male, half female. The British MK II Caitlyn tank.
@alecblunden8615
6 жыл бұрын
foughtwolf Mixed male/female tanks were known as hermaphrodites.
@gastonbell108
5 жыл бұрын
See, just USING that term would probably get you court martialed today. hahah
This guy had 9000 im IQ
nice explained, mr. einstein, it´s a joke xd :v
I try never to second guess people making the first of anything, but what kind of idiot thinks the fuel tank in the front of anything is a good idea.
The armour was not bullet-proof ;)
For a few days each month the machine guns in the female sponson should be replaced with flamethrowers.
4:19 wargaming.net?
battlefield 1 players anyone?
@TwizzElishus
7 жыл бұрын
Funny how there's a skin for this called "The Flying Scotsman".
hermaphrodite tank 🤔
What about the gender fluid tank?
it is rather difficult to understand the subtle brittish humour, as in -"... tanks built without armour" -"ha ha" -"they were used in action..." -"..." Now I'm not sure if Blackadder was a comedy or a documental. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJagyK2Ldc2bYNI.html
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