Absolutely the best description of how the combo works that I've seen. Well done.

Somehow I never digested that he is a centaur until you said it at the beginning lol. Great video. Thanks for the content

GREAT deck discussion, you guys are doing great!

This is excellent. Props to you guys. cEDH needed this kind of channel. Thanks guys!

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We have more coming. :)

Really happy you guys decided to make this channel! Subscribed after I saw the initial post on the cEDH subreddit and always happy to see anew vid up. May just be a lurker on the subreddit, but really great to have some visual feedback for cEDH :) Keep it up! :D

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! We noticed the lack of content and just couldn't stand it! We have more coming. Thanks for watching!

love the vids guys great work once again!

great video thanks for the dech tech

By the way, please keep doing these. I need new ways to screw over my playgroup. Especially one player whom I have a sort of arms race going with.

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

If it's arms races you're in, we're a great resource to win them.

I'd love to see more of this. I'm relatively new to cEDH and there are a lot of deck lists available online, but not all of them have deck techs.

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

We are working on it. We also realized that there is almost nothing explaining the decks out there. We will be going over many more to come. Thanks for watching!

@kuwabaragriffin5429

6 жыл бұрын

Zarathustra 616 man if you need deck tech just learn to read and then you should be good. Boom saved you alot of time enjoy your elder dragon highlander

We want a 2020 version!!!!

I'd say that the main weakness of Boonweaver Karador is that it folds to graveyard hate pretty hard, and it can't fight over the stack at all - you can make it harder for opponents to cast spells, but once they're on the stack you can't stop them resolving.

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

I actually disagree with the graveyard hate point. Single time effects like Tormod's Crypt of Relic of Progenitus are extremely easy to play around, and almost do nothing to hinder my progress. I'm going to be able to present circumstances in which you have to use them at inopportune moments, meaning they slow at the absolute best. Rest in Peace is the only really painful card for me to see, since it exiles everything currently in, and exiles everything else that will be put in. Even something like Leyline of Void isn't a big deal, as I can play around it beyond trivially. Grafdigger's Cage is the other big one, but that is more difficult due to relying on cards like Green Sun's Zenith or Yisan, the Wanderer Bard to be able to answer permanents like it. Stack interaction is a big weakness, but I see that more as an extension of being only able to present a boardstate that makes their lives difficult. It would be awesome to have our own Pact of Negation, but our hatebears do a fine enough job most games.

Nice !!! I love this !

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We have more on the way.

Love the humor! MOAR!

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed all the Scrying. Thanks for watching!

@obeycelestia

7 жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard I almost scryed.

@pandapri9745

7 жыл бұрын

Dennis Crenshaw I'm late but that was a great pun. I'm using that at my lgs.

@obeycelestia

7 жыл бұрын

Alternatively, the great salt-buster: "Scry me a river~"

really good video :)

Not going to be playing a cedh Karadoor deck. Although I do take tips from cedh so thanks for this :P

Karador will always be my favourite EDH deck :-) I have been running him since I started playing MTG and found that EDH was what I enjoyed (although I tend to favour 1v1 with the normal ban format which is something provided at my store). This deck has evolved over the past few years with me as a player from me wanting to build BWG and pulling out everything I had in my slim binder to learning how to stream-line and build more competitively, especially when I learned of cobblepott's Boonweaver Combo. I am growing so much in my ability to play MTG, largely in part to the Reddit cEDH community... thank you so much for all your help and advice with me as I learn and your patience and kind, constructive criticism. - reddit.com/user/Nicolethebomb/

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. We will have more Karador gameplay in the future. From the reddit threads there are links to join the PlayEDH Discord. We do have several people online 24 hours a day that can answer questions and help with deck creation - cuts or additions.

Moooin Sigi !

Have you considered switching to thrasios and tymna? It seems like it might be just as good as Karador for long Grindy games and much more castable. Thrasios also gives access to blue for the ability to fight over the stack.

i've been running karador for a while now and have just added protean hulk as another combo engine. Now ive been thinking about going four colour and going all out flash hulk instead my meta is incredibly competitive (its beautiful) but im not sure if splashing another grand or so on the deck will improve its performance dramitically. Especailly with all the non-basic land hate and overall stax in my meta, right now my deck works as its ok at grinding out into a long game but what do you guys think?

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

It does. I've entirely abandoned both Karador and Abzan in favor of the list below. It's *dramatically* better across all axes. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thrasios-hulkweaver/

@sasukeran3300

7 жыл бұрын

ok so you only splash blue for 3 cards(minus lands)? because this list is more or less exactly like mine except with more artifact hate and a couple blue cards.

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah basically. In this list, anyway. There are multiple different Hulk decks in these colors, this is just the one that evolved from Boonweaver (maintaining the midrangey hatebears plan).

Is Boonweaver actually still the best way for karador with Hulk being available? I really love Karador I wonder whats the best route for now as a 75-90% competetive list (as Kara is certainly outclassed by 4c Flash Hulk right?) Anyway awesome video and eplanation. Wish I had that when I starte edh couple years ago haha

@LaboratoryManiacs

5 жыл бұрын

Boonweaver is definitely no longer the best route. Boonweaver was actually modeled as lesser version of Protean Hulk. This video was created before Protean Hulk was unbanned. Additionally Karador has mostly fallen by the wayside to partners.

What are your opinions on a bazaar of baghdad in karador?

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

I don't like it. While it definitely solves a partial issue the deck had, in raw card advantage, I think it solves it far worse than the current solution. That current solution being Tymna. Given that Karador never did a lot for us, Tymna replacing him and fixing one of the decks main issues, there's no reason to go to (honestly kind of unimpressive) solutions like Bazaar. In a more reanimator focused build, it might have a place, but I don't think this deck wants to do that (anymore).

How you guy every done a deck tech on ghave guru of spores?

We should have a talk about Living Plane ;)

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

Oh I know, many people want to have that talk with me hahaha. I WANT TO ADD IT, ALL OF YOU. I'M WORKIN ON IT! Thanks for watching, hope I didn't butcher your child too badly!

@jasonkikel8038

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Moneghan you did a great job :)

@enlightenedlotus336

7 жыл бұрын

First we should talk about its price

When talking Sideboards: Stony Silence & Bane of Progress makes Breya players cry. Also, no mention of the creature tutor all-star: Survival of the Fittest. Is Enlightened Tutor worth running in your opinion?

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

If you mean meta specific hate, I absolutely agree, since sideboards aren't legal in EDH. Obviously Survival is a fantastic card, but honestly it's not the all-star creature tutor in my deck anymore, I'd give that honor to Yisan. Enlightened Tutor definitely is worth it in my opinion, there are so many powerful targets for it, from either half of your combo in Altar of Dementia or Pattern of Rebirth, to mana in Mana Crypt, to value engines in Birthing Pod or Sylvan Library.

What is the green sun zenith for since you can't get any of the cards you mentioned with it. You could only get Safi with it.

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

It is one of the most versatile spells in the deck. It can grab several different types of cards from the deck. As needed it can get you mana acceleration (Dryad Arbor, Deathrite Shaman, Birds of Paradise), creature tutors (Fauna Shaman, Yisan, the Wanderer Bard), artifact and enchantment removal (Caustic Catterpillar, Qasali Pridemage, Reclamation Sage), Hatebears (Gaddock Teeg), graveyard removal (scavenging ooze), and recurssion (Eternal Witness, Renegade Rallier, Saffi Eriksdotter.)

i made a casual version of this but i abused craterhoof and urabrask

You guys should put out a Deck tech for Urza, Lord High Artificer please! Big fan here :)

what about cards like tainted aether

have you put any thought into gift of immortality? as a secondary pattern?

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not really seeing how Gift would function even similarly to Pattern? Is there an interaction there I'm missing?

Can you guys do a Grenzo Deck Tech please?

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

We do not currently have a player running Grenzo and we like to have some expertise in the deck before doing a deck tech. It may get on the list if we can get it to a competitive state and have a player running it.

Hey, i have been lurking around competitive edh reddit for a while and find it awesome to see all these decks. I myself play roon and azami, both arent competitive, azami possibly if i upgrade but roon from what i read is just not a competitive general which is fine since i play in a casual playgroup. Could you however make a Roon list with a price of around 500-800 euro that isnt stax or infinite combo? Would really appreciate it! I just cant find a good roon list online that isnt stax or infinite combo and i have a hard time making a good one myself, i am rarely satisfied with it. Dont want to ask competitive edh reddit since roon isnt competitive and i dont want to spend 2000-3000 euro :). Our playgroup consists of oona,ezuri,zegana,crovax,niv mizzet. No one plays infinite combos :)

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Ranger, I just put this question to the group and it is a difficult one. I'll have to get back to you when we get something definitive. There are difficulties with having a non-infinite and non-stax requirement for a competitive EDH game. Most of the time you are either rushing to victory or actively working to make the game difficult for everyone else i.e. Stax. You've posed a tough question that doesn't quite work with the format. We'll have to see if we can do something that is really pushing to be cEDH under those restrictions. Like I said before we will get back to you when we have something.

@rangergelder3547

7 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks alot of answering!! I didnt expect too much but wow thanks for considering it, i hope im not too late with saying this but i changed my mind and going infinite is fine (if someone has a good non infinite/stax roon deck already build in meantime i would still definently be interested :)!). Ill just exclude some cards if i play with my friends and play infinite if i play at our local LCG (more competitive). I still have a hard time making a casual Roon deck since it always seem so slow to me and hard to win without craterhoof. Is Infinite roon a decent t2 deck? If the budget 500-800 is too low, then im also ok with 500-1000. Again, thanks alot and keep up the awesome videos!

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Artificial limitations like not going infinite make it pretty exclusively non-competitive. If you're ok seeing something like that, while we obviously can't make any promises, we can definitely look into. I'm about to hit the brewery and get to work thinking about Roon in a competitive setting. There isn't currently any Roon builds that are considered competitive, as most Bant decks are just going to be better under Derevi, and even she has fallen out of favor. In terms of budgets, the most competitive Roon list will still like max out at over $2500, but obviously just cutting some budget from the manabase will drop that price by upwards of $1000. If you give me somewhere to send it, I can always message you whatever Roon list I do come up with, even if it doesn't turn out to be something viable enough to play on camera!

@rangergelder3547

7 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for the help! Yes i realised it would be too hard to make a deck decently competitive without stax or infinite combos. i know Derevi is better or brago stax but i like Roon since it was my first deck and if im going to make a T1 deck or close to it i will upgrade my azami for it. i just love Roon alot and could not get a good decklist myself or find one that wasnt stax and would like it more to have a pretty strong Roon list than an azami list :)! My roon list atm is something like 400-500 euros i think but im fine with going to 1000. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/roon-test-2-1/ this is my brew but im pretty sure it isnt optimised at all or good lol. you can send ur list to heinenoord15@hotmail.com :)

Man thats a cool combo..... once lol why do people always go straight to playing commander as if it were legacy.... do you but i like winning early in a four man game where i didnt fetch anything my deck just performed correctly without tutors in the way......sure playing 30 cards that can be any card is cool and all but is it really fun when you could just llay legacy or modern and get the same effect

This deck is so mean. If I turn my Karador deck in to this I wonder if my playgroup will cry xD

@LaboratoryManiacs

7 жыл бұрын

You may want to have a talk with your play groups about this. If you want to go to a competitive level let people know and then everyone can work towards it. The thought is that if everyone is going for the win no one can really get salty when someone plays a 'mean' deck. Best of luck and thanks for watching!

If you rarely or never get the mana needed to cast Karador and pretty much never use Karador, why not use Anafenza, the foremost as your general instead? She's a cheap beater while you try to assemble the combo and she also serves as partial hate for opponents who might also be using a reanimation strategy.

@djmoneghan

7 жыл бұрын

Anafenza is probably decent in some metas, like if the majority of your opponents are on similar strategies, but overall, Karador is far better. The reason being that, as neither is our primary goal, we want to be able to extract a lot of backup value from our commander since we always have access to them. Anafenza is a decent hatebear, of which our deck is already flush. She doesn't do anything else, though. Karador represents all of our past creatures (barring exile effects), so he is functionally a hatebear, while also functionally being ramp, removal, and combo pieces. Our primary goal of dropping hatebears and slow things down is already so good that we don't need Anafenza during the times when we would want Anafenza. She's very low impact compared to most of our other three drops, and is a narrow hoser. If her ability were more akin to Aven Mindcensor, then I think we could have a meaningful discussion about if she should replace Karador, but as is, the recursive potential of Karador is much stronger at the times when we want to be switching to our backup plan.

@FusterIsBased

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense.

Blah blah blah infinite combos.... My Karador wins most games good old smash your face in. The utility is off the charts. I can remove anything on the table, reoccuring. The defense is extremely good. Also using sacrifice triggered token production makes blockers while I stack up my graveyard then Pathbreaker Ibex or Craterhoof behemoth, even Eldrazi monument has worked extremely well in it. The *BANE* of this deck is Bojuka bog. Artifacts and creatures that exile graveyards aren't as bad, I have been able to stop them. But a bojuka bog, relic of progenitus, tormod's crypt or angel of finality don't come up that often. If I cannot stop the artifacts with a krosan grip or creature ability, good old Elixir of immortality keeps me from losing my graveyard even if it slows me down. Structure Karador properly and he's definitely the chieftain of EDH. I was thinking of making Muldrotha but I actually like Karadors mana reduction cost SO MUCH. I had him at 16 CMC amd still played him for 3 then smashed their faces in.