I forgot why I stop watching Vice....I remember know

The Spanish government should've not reacted at all. Sending police and using violence and causing chaos just caused more Catalonians to think about getting independent seeing the people they know being hurt

@luismariafernandezperez6931

6 жыл бұрын

Abhay Shah So if I announce that Im going to rob a certain bank, i hope that police won't be showing up and they will let me get away with it. If you are committing a crime, the government/police are supposed to stop you. If not, let's get rid of all rules and start anarchy.

@LegendNinja41

6 жыл бұрын

are you really comparing robbing a bank to illegal voting ? anyways Spains government shot themselfs in the foot with what they did, just my opinion.

@luismariafernandezperez6931

6 жыл бұрын

mad bro Yea, eventho ilegal voting is worse since it's against the Constitution.

@FlyingBalcony

6 жыл бұрын

You seem to have a bone in your brain.

I can understand both sides of the Crisis

@adriamasitoribio

2 жыл бұрын

What I don’t understand is the use of violence when they are voting pacefully…

I am not Spaniard, I am Dominican. I do not know or understand the current socio/political nor economic situation of the country right now, but if Catalan gets out of Spain, will they even be able to support themselves? Is it even a smart economic move? Will they be recognized by the UN or the European Union? There is a lot to take into account before going out there and deciding to separate from a country and creating a new one

Catalonia has huge self governance...why are even you doing this? You are pushing the first domino...every nationalist social media mob will try to rip their countries apart if this is not stopped.

This is such a simple and biased report, I don't know where to start from...

I watched this entire video while balancing off only two legs of my chair.

People that bring their pets to riots are horrible people.

@jonatasnogueira7525

6 жыл бұрын

Bro Brah Unless it is a rottweiler

@Zen-sx5io

6 жыл бұрын

Ghastly Grinner But what if the dog was eligible to vote for independence?

@Alex10daysago

6 жыл бұрын

well aren't you a lovely human being. you can tell the character of a man by how he treats animals.

@madulowis

6 жыл бұрын

Riot? It was a polling station, a public school ffs. Riots were only caused by direct intervention of Spanish forces.

The journalist said something that is... well, let say, she has been missinformed. Goverments, in countries like Spain or US, can't declare illegality. It's de court's work. The Superior Court of justice of Catalonia considered it illegal. The court ordered the police to act so then an illegal act wouldn't took place. It would be a good idea if you interview not only independentists but also people who is not absorbed by nationalists minds. It is incredible to see how right wing nationalists in US are something like evil but right wing nationalists in Spain (like the former catalan goverment) are shown like victims.

heartbreaking.

after looking at the comments i can see that almost everyone dont understand anything about what is truely going on.

Vice should be better than this... These short videos are dangerous because you are giving the world incredibly limited views on what is actually going on. I always argued that the work vice does is amazing, and kept doing so when they got heat for selling out to HBO. Now i see what vice is becoming. Instead of making proper documentaries like they used to, they upload as much content as possible without the same care that they seemed to implement. this is very dangerous. This video is one-sided journalism that can be considered and used as propaganda. This conflict in spain goes back decades if not centuries, and there are many sides and perspectives to take into account. How is one random guy they found in the protest enough to create an educated view on it? Sorry for the rant but as a spaniard and as somebody who loved vice this is very sad...

@diegocruzat8349

6 жыл бұрын

Javier Madero Es ridiculo lo desinformados que están en otros paises acerca de este asunto, con tan poca información es facil pensar que España es antidemocratica viendo estas imágenes, y sobre todo sin saber lo que han hecho muchos políticos independentistas catalanes...

@randomguy5990

6 жыл бұрын

What do you want? A GoPro on the police officer's heads to understand thier struggle? While they beat voters ?

@starhawck

6 жыл бұрын

No, a video that showcases the other point of view. The view that is written in the spanish constitution. The view written in common economic sense.

@randomguy5990

6 жыл бұрын

Alex Yanakiev They said the vote was illegal. If you want to find out why then do your own research. One side voted on an illegal referendum, the other side used unnecessary violence to enforce thier laws. Spain losses at the end.

@starhawck

6 жыл бұрын

I can't remember exactly, but the spanish constitution constitutes that you can't have a referendum, unless you don't have a 90 or so percent in the parliement. Yes, exactly, Spain, Catalonia, Basque county, Grenada. The whole of spain will lose because of this.

I remember when Vice was a good source of unbiased information. As a Spaniard trust me when I say this is stupidly biased by the word of a foreigner that has no idea what this is all about. You don't show how the "peaceful protestors" attacked the police (they even forced a couple of units off Tarragona by throwing rocks), the catalonian police turning against the national police or how the votes had such an stupid regulation that there are people that even voted 4 times, etc... I personally don't care that much if they want to leave. But they once signed a constitution where this all figures as illegal in the first articles. This just has to be done right. If they want to leave we have to edit our constitution, and for that all Spain has the right to vote. Then after that they can do whatever they want. Catalonia wouldn't be what it is now without Spain, I bet it would have even been French now if it wasn't for us.

Help me please. So what does the catalan people want now: Autonomy or Independence?

Why do your videos always stutter at the beginning?

They have been unified for 548 years, so I understand why the Spanish Government is hesitant to let The Catalonians hold a referendum, Spain had lost so much in the last few centuries, this would be the final nail in the coffin. Might as well rename themselves Castile, because the only territory they will have left if Catalonia splits

@ottovonsocialistuk2240

6 жыл бұрын

You do know that the Basque Country, Granada and Valencia do exist and are not Castile.

@starhawck

6 жыл бұрын

That's what he said you muppet, he said that ONLY Castile will be ruled by the spanish.

@AnthonyRizzuti

6 жыл бұрын

Apemanwithcalculator only during the war of Spanish succession and was absorbed back into Spain right after.

@luismariafernandezperez6931

6 жыл бұрын

Apemanwithcalculator False. Check history books (not the ones from Cataluña's schools though)

@rv8766

6 жыл бұрын

your an idiot.. there are like 6 regions of spain,, andalucia valencia catalan galicia basque,, and it has been the same for more than 600 yrs.. and they fought invaders and kicked moors out of andalucia and i think spain actually goes back to 7th century and 13 century.. there have been many wars.. and changes of names,, but its always been spain.. i have to look up that world battle video.. where they show the wars in europe.. that one explains it pretty clearly.. and before spain it was called something else, and all the catholic murdering all around europe and all the different names of people and races.. maybe like 300 ad or something.. i have to look it up now..

I feel this this vote was pointless because doesn't the whole country of Spain have to vote on the issue? If that's the case then it's a waste of time.

@gunesfb1907

6 жыл бұрын

Ghastly Grinner Because it is a territory of all spanish citizens.

Could the military intervene?

Is this what will happen if California tried for independence?

@LegendNinja41

6 жыл бұрын

probably.

@dustingriffith7399

5 жыл бұрын

CALIFORNIA = CATALONIA? SPAIN WAS A DEVIL TO CALIFORNIA!

@jesussanchezherrero5659

3 жыл бұрын

@@dustingriffith7399 Spain discovered and introduced Western civilization there

The vote was doomed to fail. A vote that is not supported by the Spanish government will make it so that only those radical enough go to vote (those in favor of independence). This obviously skews the results and makes the vote illegitimate. By going through with the vote in spite of the Spanish government opposition in my opinion was a calculated political move to insite divisiveness and give a misleading impression of how many Catalonians actually are in favor of independence. In my opinion it is ok for there to be votes and negotiations but only if it is something agreed upon by society at large.

The acts we have seen from this illegal referendum was absolutely insulting to the Spanish pride and our values. Spanish sovereignty should never be negotiated. This is a coup attempt which is anti constitutional and the police where completely understandable that they stopped the voting as they should have.

Where is Javier Solana now?

if catalonia wants independence then they should do it legally rather than illegally. the majority of catalonia actually doesnt want to be independent. if catalonia does become independent then it would be a massive hit to the already terrible spanish economy. a lot of tourist revenue comes from catalonia. speaking of tourist revenue the catalonians themselves are being hit hard due to all the chaos happening there. less and less tourists are coming thus businesses are getting hit hard who rely on said tourism thus majority want all this to end and want to go on peacefully with their lives. finally, our ancestors have spilled so much blood and so much sweat to unite spain as one to fight against the muslim moors and do just divide it like this is an insult to all that work. what i fully agree with is that the police have been far out of line. theyre using extreme force against mostly peaceful protesting which is a big n-no.

Everyone commenting on this video should have a better idea of the situation before choosing a side in this, it is a really serious matter, the pro-independence are not the majority and they are going against the constitution, the base law of Spain, there are several ways to gain independence legally, but they are not enough people so they just make noise and play the victims to get international support, don’t let anyone fool you.

The double negatives are like nails on a blackboard.

How a feeling can be more important than peace and stability? Many countries had serious economical problems, unity and collaboration is the best alternative to overcome them. The issue is not past governments, racial confrontation or migration, the problem is not in the past, the problem is in the present and it has an economical nature. The hole world is suffering the consequences of the last word economical crisis. Division and conflict are seen everywhere, fragmentation will only make life harder for everyone. The destruction of the system will not guarantee better conditions. It's better to think of ways to transform and improve rather than break and rebuild. It is hard to imagine California exiting USA, they could have many good reasons to do so, but the sense of unity makes America strong and all Americans know this. There is now difference in this sense with Spain or European Union. Even many people in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland can understand that strength resides in numbers and that's why they don't want to leave the EU. As a note I must say that all Spanish people suffered Franco's regime and the consequences of the civil war, not only the Catalans.

@Kas-yw5fe

6 жыл бұрын

Difference is that these are true natives to the land and have actual bonds going back thousands of years compared to US where the fabric of it's existence is exclusively by law.

Puerto Rico should do the same!!!

What happens to La Liga if Catalina leaves?

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

Barcelona vs Reus

Think about it this was. What if it was Texas. We can all agree they got pretty close to their own culture and language. Spanglish and of course mainly English but they were their own country once

We just made a video about whether or not Catalonia is going Independent. Would mean so much if you checked it out!

Look ma It's a Latin spring 😆😆😆

The autonomy of cataluña benefit the political class or the citizens? The autonomy of the Catalan government has been harmful for Catalan society, for Spain and for Europe. Catalan politicians misused the autonomy to: support major corruption acts, create an antidemocratic political elite, create more debt, exclude citizens that did not support the separation, teach Catalan nationalist propaganda in schools, deny social monetary aid for citizens that don't support the separatist movement, create social unrest, unsettle the economy and divide the society. Cataluña government has been pushing democracy backwards.

@OFfic3R1K

6 жыл бұрын

Interested in knowing more. Any specific examples?

@jesussanchezherrero5659

3 жыл бұрын

@@OFfic3R1Kbig corruption cases bursted onto public connaissance in the last few years. Just google "Pujols" family. This aint the worst side of it all tho

i don't understand.. why would anyone want to get away from the spanish government? - they seem so enlightened and wise. [/sarcasm]

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

because they base their decisions on emmotion, they say they feel different. Theres no other argument for Independence that that they feel they want to have an independent country. No social, economic or political advantage comes from it. In fact Catalonia is doing pretty well with us. And by the way, responding to your sarcasm, pólice violence happened only in a few places, not as in many as you imagine.

@urasoul

6 жыл бұрын

all state sponsored terrorism occurrs only in a few places - it's not the number of places that is significant.

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

i wouldnt call it terrorism, but ok. The state didnt tell the pólice to hit the people, but they told them to evacuate the voting schools and stop the ilegal referéndum. And later the violence came. I dont agree with the use of forcé, but there are other images of people throwing bottles and chasing pólice cars. Its just vice will never show them lol.

@mariamarymiriam293

6 жыл бұрын

... as if people around the world are happy with their own government and would not want to get away also. But the thing is that there is a Constitutional law in Spain won under a DEMOCRACY doctrine Spain's People voted for. So if a bunch of politicians in an area break the law and use a bunch of lefties to promote their views for an independence matter they will have to face the consequences, don't you think? it is not like the area they live in does not belong also to the rest of Spaniards who pay with their taxes for their social services, etc. also.

@albs5670

6 жыл бұрын

Okay, I'm laughing so hard right now. No social, no economic, no political reasons? C'mon man

common spain! civil war time baby!! then... germany will send a Condor Legion :D

Well, I guess its good Spain isn't overwhelmed by debt like Greece

Hey if they want to be an independent state then why not? Isn’t that what democracy is all about?

@gunesfb1907

6 жыл бұрын

The Dokter617 No it isnt.

Secession means war. They should've come prepared.

The Spanish government shouldn't have reacted at all and allowed them to vote. I'm not saying that the vote is right or wrong due to legal reasons but trying to stop protesters with violence will only spark the fire and give protesters more of a reason to push back. This can't end well.

Why did they vote for independence ?

@michaeltaylor9223

6 жыл бұрын

Why?

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

yeah they say they diont want to support the poorer regions of Spain.

Those Catalans should not be trying to break away from Spain. It's illegal. They are part of Spain and that's final.

I don't like the communist side to it.

spain should remain united. this division will only make things worse, both for catalonia and the rest of spain.

I live in Barcelona. It's tough to give a full answer behind this. Long story short the people here are tired of Madrid taking advantage of Catalonia and tired of Rajoy's treatment of them.

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

I live in Valencia and we're tired of Catalonia trying to influence and erase our culture. Hands off Valencia, bastards.

@adriamasitoribio

2 жыл бұрын

@@enlosluceros7236 ??

A bit biased. This is propaganda. Battlegrounds? Two injured at the end of the day. Nine hundred according the Half of Catalans Government

They wimped out at the last minute. People are going to get mad

@sosaq3841

6 жыл бұрын

lunabranwen Do people still speak Welsh in wales?

@lunabranwen

6 жыл бұрын

Sosa Q Yes over 500k thank God. Cymru am byth

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

@@lunabranwen do you actually know Catalan language is protected by Spain and you are forced to speak it if you live there? Do you know they are the region with the most autonomy in Europe? Do you know the Catalan government is actually sending their puppets to Valencia to erase Valencian culture? Do you know 7 out of 10 journalists and media people in Spain are Catalan? Do you know the Catalan separatists actually support the EU, radical feminism, mass immigration and a bunch of other disgusting things?

freedom for catalonia.... catalonia is not ispain..

@dustingriffith7399

5 жыл бұрын

Greetings from CALIFORNIA! Spain was a Devil to CALIFORNIA since 1769 and these Spanish influences on California soil can still hunt us.

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

@@dustingriffith7399 black legend lies.

catalonia as a rich region want to leave the country. they are richer. why would they want to share their wealth with the rest of spain? why should they contribute to other area schools and healthcare of the rest of spain?

He just said to two women you got balls

I'm spanish and I'm against catalonian independence. It would be a disaster for them and also for us. But they need to vote. If most of them want to leave Spain we cannot force them to stay. What our government is doing is really sad to watch. They just want to vote.

This is will literally destroy Catalan economy

@1337BananaL33TVostok

6 жыл бұрын

How is that possible? They will face sanctions and very limited recognition, EU accession is BARRED. It will render them a pariah state in western europe. Oh, and military intervention.

@1337BananaL33TVostok

6 жыл бұрын

That is a very large gap for Russia and China to fill, and will also include repercussion from Madrid. Either way some companies have already announced they are moving out of Catalonia so damage have already been done. I can only imagine Catalan independence as dead cause

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

definitely, in the last two days, around 12 IBEX 35 corporations (biggest companies in Catalonia) decided to leave Catalonia and install their HQ in another región. We knew this would happen, but the Catalan government is totally blind.

@casrvsfv3172

6 жыл бұрын

Ghastly Grinner I love your theories, truth is all big Catalan companies left Catalonia this last week, facts. Catalonia exports half of their products to the rest of Spain, another 25% to the EU, we are their clients if prices get higher due to taxes after puting a border in the middle we will buy other products we will take our money out of their banks, and they will go broke, their market is Spain because they are Spanish companies located in a Spanish region, no one will be left there if Catalonia breaks away from its market. What's the alternative? Lower the currency so they can export to us cheaper and keep lower prices, the problem is that would make inflation explode and prices inside of Catalonia would skyrocket consumption would lower and so would GDP, a China without the Chinese population. Catalonia takes in energy from other parts of Spain, our infrastructure and companies provide the region with energy they produce very very little, imagine the prices and their consequences if they leave. Catalan companies are in Madrid's stock exchange, most of the banks and finances operating in Catalonia do so in Madrid, there's no central bank in Barcelona, no financial institutions, their banks left one day after the referendum, there's no major bank there left as of today!. Very important companies located in Catalonia like Gas Natural were located there by the government to boost Barcelona's economy, we are very stupid you know we boosted their economy on purpose with policies. Those companies planted there will not stay under any circumstances, in fact they are leaving. The only ones that still remain there are the indutrial ones, why? Because they need more time to move machinery and factories but they've announced they will move out already. Catalonia is the region of Spain we did protectionism is the region that traded with our colonies, the region we boosted industry in the industrial revolution, but it is part of our market, in a market you need buyers and it is us that buy Catalan products the factories and companies located there are located there because it's Spanish soil and their buyers are the Spaniards, the minute they leave no company will remain outside the market where they have their customers. *It's really simple, again facts, I'm just explaining what is happening, it is happening, not a prediction.*

@casrvsfv3172

6 жыл бұрын

Ghastly Grinner I suggest you read about self determination you seem to be a bit confused about what that right consists of. Btw, I can name you the companies that left Catalonia this week if you don't believe me. Montreal had most of its companies moved to Toronto after the referendum, this is a repeated story, companies like markets, they don't like dreams of medieval times.

Atleast let the people vote god dammit

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

Voting 4 times the same person as it happened? No, thanks.

900 injuries??? They add people who felt anxious after watching TV as injuries.

@georgezee5173

6 жыл бұрын

That's absolutely true. If you watch again yesterday's Puigdemont's speech you'll notice that he doesn't talk about injured people anymore but ASSISTED. It was a dirty move by Catalonian government on the voting day to update the "casualty numbers" every few minutes to spread fear and chaos through the social networks. Even a pro-independence polititian, Jordi Sanchez (from ANC), dared to say that very night, without fact checking, that "Europe hadn't seen so many injured people since World War II".

@georgezee5173

6 жыл бұрын

They've been playing the victimism card for years andwent forward with all this referendum farce knowing very well that their followers would face police force. They USED that people and their genuine illusions to get the picture they wanted and make international press go mad about the matter. Quite Machiavellian stuff.

As a general rule of thumb, watching national police destroy ballot boxes and violently remove protesters is a bad sign for a countries democracy.

@vasily2022

6 жыл бұрын

Just because someone "protests" doesn't mean what they are doing is sane. Organizing an illegal referendum is a bad sign for democracy too don't you think? You have all these little villages, regions and neighborhoods around the world who just want to secede from the country they are part of or declare independence. When does this stop? Now some have compared their situation to colonization of African countries and South East Asian countries. I have yet to see any pictures from Spain showing businesses or buildings with signs saying "No Catalans" allowed. I have yet to see any violence or discrimination against people because they are from Catalonia. You see the problem is a human being (being dreadful) one. The human being has to hate and divide. It doesn't matter who. The goal is to band together and hate. Find a common enemy. If there were a bunch of Muslim refugees there, these people would all unite to hate them. If there were a bunch of blacks there, they would all unite to hate all those blacks, and make them the scapegoats for something. But there is not a lot of that, so lets find ways to hate each other. The same thing with the Irish. Not a lot of blacks there and foreigners, or Muslims, so, again, as human beings are, let's find a way to create tensions and fight and kill and hate. Oh shit! We are all Christians, so there are no Muslims to hate... Let's find our differences among us Christians... I mean this is starting to get stupid. All these separatists are starting to be annoying. There are real problems in life. Catalonia is not an oppressed region subject to slavery as far as I know. So if people are really bored they should go to a bullfighting get together or something... Even if they got their independence, within a month, among themselves they will start fighting. Because now east Catalonia is going to say that they are different from West Catalonia, and they want to leave Catalonia... Never ending story... Mankind needs someone, a community, a group to differentiate itself from to always serve as the scapegoat for everything that is wrong in ones life...

@generalpeeps

6 жыл бұрын

When the government is too scared to let people vote on an issue they care about. That government no longer represents them. They didn't need to grant independence, if there are good reasons to withhold it then you use that to justify why the referendum doesn't matter. However destroying ballot boxes and assaulting old people for exercising free speech is wholely different from just the merits of separatism.

@TheNotSoFakeNews

6 жыл бұрын

that is very true, however how many catalan voters who wanted to remain part of Spain would have wanted to turn up and vote, therby making the referendum result undemocratic (I however accept that the governments response heavy handed and over the top)

@juanfelipeleyvaacero8186

5 жыл бұрын

The acts organised by the Catalan 'generalitat' are completely ilegal and violated the constitution. The bad sign in a country is when a few decide to violate all the laws and regulations set by the constitution and so there acts are ilegal and police where correct with the stopping of this separatist coup.

Its truly bewildering to see you guys report on Bias shit topics to large degree then to report on intriguing important topics such as this rarely... Is sad Vice.. But good that you have

Not as much as "chaos". Sensationalism...

Spain and Catalonia end up like north and south Korea or India and Pakistan............ its Sad

Its not the goverment that say that the poll is ilegal. In Spain its not the goverment that decides if something is legal or not, thats the courts job. The poll was said to be ilegal by the Catalonian court and by the Constitucional court.

Will Catalan keep the monarchy ??

@fortis3686

6 жыл бұрын

Gameboy Hotline Not likely. If anything, they’ll become a republic like Ireland.

First vice video I’ve liked in a long time

Should the EU and the NATO do something like what they did to Yugoslavia two decades ago? Or do they dare to call themselves defender of democracy? These powers should wage a war against the Spanish regime to defend the purity of democracy. Catalonia, the Kosovo of Spain, shall remain as the medal of that democracy. I am not from Spain or Catalonia. I don't think I have the legitimacy or knowledge to make judgement whether the independence is legitimate. I am just stalled by the reaction of the world, by the manipulation of the politicians, by the hypocrisy of the Spanish/ European democracy.

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

You don't know both sides of the coin. You see what the media wants you to see.

Our world is falling apart...

NO ONE WAS REGISTERED TO VOTE census was universal, and people could vote as many times aas they wanted

A purposefully one-sided view of what happened on Oct.1st. The following should have been clearly highlighted to provide the whole picture to your viewer: For a decade now, the Catalonian government has been injecting ideological secessionist fire though its heavily-subsidized media and the education system - and it has yielded results. Hundred of thousands of otherwise ordinary, well-meaning people became radicalized in the grounds of fabricated grievances against the Spanish state, one of the world's most stable democracies and a de facto federation that equips Catalonia with plenty of space to deepen and enjoy its national identity. The regional authorities put all these people in danger by brainwashing them, and now the police is blamed for enforcing a judicial ruling - that so-called referendum was hastily approved by a waffle-slim majority in the regional parliament and is against the Spanish constitution, that has otherwise brought nicely together the country after decades of the Franco authoritarian regime. Needless to say, the police action shown in this video is as regrettable as shameful, yet the local authorizes are to ultimately to blame.

@jesuschrist4315

6 жыл бұрын

Javier Delgado Rivera everyone has a unalienable sovereign rights to abolish a government if they choose, you would vote for independence if you were Catalonia's citizen, too.

@erickpalacios8904

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ yet so many Catalonians aren't in favor of secession, much less voted for it so your argument that if he were Catalonian he would vote for independance too falls flat on its face.

a say leave you need self government

Catalonia better start investing in weapons

Strength is in unity. I hope my Spanish friends understand this.

@ottovonsocialistuk2240

6 жыл бұрын

So we’re just going to forget what Franco did with Catalonia, Granada, Basque Country and Valencia?

@NoName-px4dt

6 жыл бұрын

Amit Parmar nice double speak, you sound like you are from the book 1984

@starhawck

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, Otto, exactly, we will forget and move on. :)

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

+Otto Von SocialistUK What Franco did, he did it to all of Spain. Repression was everywhere, so theres no reason for Catalans to accuse Spain from that.

@jangofett7857

4 жыл бұрын

We know, and we are trying to turn EU into a country. Nevertheless we have the lazis in Catalonia who push towards the opposite direction

7.6 millones de españolescatalanes ❤ 🇪🇸. 2 millones de independentistas charnegosfranceses. 1 millón de inmigrantes. 4.6 millones de españolescatalanes ❤ 🇪🇸 son igual ciudadanos los que votan i los que no la verdad ❤🇪🇸Barcelona ❤ 🇪🇸

The video was released on Oct 10 and by that time I would expect a more full-fledged review, such as the pro-union protest during the weekend in which thousands of hundreds of ppl have shown up. I also heard people are saying that some of the bloody and cruel scenes from earlier pro-independence protest were partially made up. For example, the women who claimed that her fingers were broken one by one by the Spanish police has over-stated the incident. What's more astonishing is some places have a polling turnout rates of more than 100%, meaning fraud happened. I don't know if those are true or false statements, but would like to see a thorough investigation video about that. But perhaps those are not provoking and eye-catching enough for Vice to do it.

While we here in the US protest on being called the right pronoun....

Spain has been one during the last 600 years, nobody will broke our country. The biggest part of us are loyal to our nation and to our king.

@isaacd4425

6 жыл бұрын

vaya petao.

Free from anything that is Spanish . Support .

Thank you for making awereness of the situation here... It was a really sad day for us catalan people

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

Paid media.

VIVAAAAA INDEPENDENT CATALONIAAAA !!!!!!!

Of course the majority voters are for independence. It's an illegal vote. So, anyone who doesn't want to split is not going to break the law and vote. Also, I'm living in Spain and it's not chaos here.

@GilandSarahSolano

6 жыл бұрын

This vote is illegal. It's complicated to explain. There's some great articles out there that can explain it better than I can on a comment.

@GilandSarahSolano

6 жыл бұрын

It's a messy subject. All are entitled to their opinions.

I live in Catalonia and was agents the vote but after all the violence I'm for independents.

@zwalada

6 жыл бұрын

Ray didn't hear much about that. Well good for Madrid that thy finely have something.

@guizmoxo

6 жыл бұрын

Right cause police use violence because they want... The violence is not the way, but independet people just show what they wanted to show... They didn't let the police do their job, and they throw things to the police... what did you expect??? People outside of Spain only see what independent want you to see... cause the are the ones who are doing the noise, they are not even the half of the population of Cataluña.. They only govern for the half of the population. Do you know what it means??? They are forcing half of the catalanes to leave their country, that is crazy. For do that at least have to be 2/3 of population or something like this, is an important decision for them. They say they want to vote, i want to vote too, but not ilegal shit.

@zwalada

6 жыл бұрын

Ray I'm really happy for you that you finally have like 5 more jobs in Madrid. That makes the total to what 12 jobs in Madrid? Good job boy. And you can stay in the European union. Hopefully the people hear will follow the example of Switzerland and Norway.

@max98161

6 жыл бұрын

Ray well yes that makes sense because you forgot to add that a MAJORITY of those companies are SPANISH, and they're moving out of Barcelona because they're declaring their autonomy from SPAIN. Of course they would, it doesn't exactly mean loss of net growth with the way Catalonia is expanding anyway.

@zwalada

6 жыл бұрын

U m b r a M8 I was on your side. I'm not even Spanish I'm a dirty Dutch immigrant. But I had a front row seed to see all of the village that was happening in front of my house. And the people who wanted to vote wear not the people who wear provoking. I'm really really sorry but the Spanish government fucked op.

Civil war! civil war! civil war! come on start fighting

Well it was the Moors and muslims that united Spain.No more moors in spain.So no more common enemy.No more ottoman no more common enemy.Time for division.

WOw......i thinks its true that the government doesn't really care about its citizen

Who here is gonna bet Catalonia is gonna try and become an EU member? I mean, Kosovo is doing the same.

Chaos? XD XD XD?

I subscribe you for a long time now, and I have to say that I am very disappointed in your piece on the catalonian referendum. Let me start by saying that I come from a neutral point of view, as I do not support the anti or pro independence side. However, this piece is completely biased, as it does not present any view on the legality or legitimacy of the referendum, or the conditions in which the catalonian government moved forward with it. Right now it makes me question the way I will look at your videos from now on.

@jesuschrist4315

6 жыл бұрын

Stop watching vice if you are so much butthurt..nobody cares.

@pw7225

6 жыл бұрын

"Nobody cares" - Jesus Christ

@SirStevetheCreep

6 жыл бұрын

@ Jesus: I think it is legitimate criticism from someone who seems to be living in Spain thus having more insight than you and me. The video doesn´t rly include any context to the situation as Filipe stated. Why is the academic dude in favor for the separation? What events led to the movement? Some more backround would have helped here...

0:40 Spain didnt have territorial problems after the franco era. Also the franco era didnt collapse, he died and there was a long transition period. You need to read up your history. It takes like 5 minutes reading the wikipedia article #FakeNews

Very biased

Voir ce qui se passe dans la division des pays de l'ex-Yougoslavie : ils sont tous en faillite et leurs dirigeants séparatistes sont tous millionnaires à Moscou ! La division et la séparation c'est la ruine ! Déjà en Catalogne 2000 entreprises ont fui ! 77 milliards de dettes pour 6,6 millions d'habitants ! Aucun espace maritime ! Aucun espace aérien ! Tous les avantages et exonérations obtenues depuis 15 ans par le chantage sautent ! Aucune chance d'être acceptée dans l'Union européenne ! Coincée entre la France et l'Espagne cette région ne pourra plus faire tous les trafics qui s'y passent et dont personne n'osait parler ! Fin du tourisme industriel qui était le gros apporteur de frik et que vont dire les 2 millions de Catalans qui vivent et travaillent en Espagne ? ... Alors chiche ! Kretinos !

if Mexico has the right for Independence catalans do too

@helloMRdj1

6 жыл бұрын

what a bs comment lol

the spanish government likes to see themselfs as the victims in this crisis. have they forgotten the civil war, the franco dictatorship and all the terrible things they did to Catalania?

@AnthonyRizzuti

6 жыл бұрын

makaan1932 and how do you think Catalonia (Aragon) would have faired over the last 500 years if they never United with their big brother Castile? Barcelona would be a cesspool pool if not for the wealth that the Spanish empire brought. Maybe the French would have invaded, or some other major power. Catalonia wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for Spain

@xaxe1997

6 жыл бұрын

so Japan must conquer the USA, right mate?

@starhawck

6 жыл бұрын

There's no conquring you absolute muppet, the catalan vote is illegal by the constitution they voted for. They can't just hop on out of a sovereign country like that, it's stupid il-logical and moreover noone benefits economically or geo-politically from it. Not to mention the the foreign hand behind these protests.

@alimar3127

6 жыл бұрын

libertad catalonia libre

A BIG WELLCOM Sovereign Catalonia to Democracy and Freedom from the German Fascists EU dictatorship enjoy your culture, your history and that which makes you unique Catalonia . CONGRATULATIONS !

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

Catalan separatists want to stay in the EU. You aren't well informed, guy.

Catalonia❤is not spain❗ I Love Catalonias❓

This video it’s a shame 😉

Can't wait too see Spain fall. Lol

@enlosluceros7236

5 жыл бұрын

The whole world will fall with us if we do. We're taking you with us, bastards.

lol spain.

@barbatvs8959

6 жыл бұрын

You lost most of Ireland long ago. lol the uk.

@jackydefo

6 жыл бұрын

Yes in 1922...it was never really apart of the UK, spain however in 2017 will lose one of it's biggest regions...lol spain.

@barbatvs8959

6 жыл бұрын

That it was lost long ago means you were ahead of Spain in losing. You win the losing race. lol uk

@jackydefo

6 жыл бұрын

Losing Ireland 90 odd years ago today has no affect on us...spain losing catalonia in 2017 will have a massive effect on the spanish economy now bye bye GDP...this could be the end of spain itself

@pablomunoz1076

6 жыл бұрын

Lol toy republic of cataland disneyland

Come back to islam my catalan brothers.. together we make Al-Andalus great again

Free Catalonia, Free Kurdistan, two for the price of one!

@zarakdurrani7584

6 жыл бұрын

Mad Man no more kurdistan lol. Iraq pwned you. And certainly no catalonia

@MadMan3498

6 жыл бұрын

Afghan Khalqi Zalmaye Iraq couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag without outside help, Kurdistan is still around. As far as Catalonia gos it looks like a civil war is unavoidable now so we'll have to wait and see.

@zarakdurrani7584

6 жыл бұрын

Laussanne*

So much for the UN and the EU protecting people's right to Self Determination. Spain has become just as worse as corrupt Azerbaijan and Belarus now. We support your freedom Catalonia, love from Canada!

The people should govern themselves not the other way around. Fight for your independence!

@99batran

6 жыл бұрын

Mina CrayCray two words: Mob Rule.

@MrFrankFurter

6 жыл бұрын

99batran Mob rule? I apologize on behalf of the Filipino people for their independence from the Spanish in 1898 after over 300 years of slavery.

@99batran

6 жыл бұрын

MrPutanginaka the Phillippines was annexed by the United States before given independence in 1946 after World War 2 as a "reward" for their efforts.

@MrFrankFurter

6 жыл бұрын

99batran Are you always right?

@MrFrankFurter

6 жыл бұрын

The USA killed millions of Filipinos so maybe the Spanish were slightly better, but still shit.

D-real democratic Military vs people With love from authoritarian Russia))))

I feel like I’m the only Spanish person here who supports Catalonia’s soverinty.

@barbatvs8959

6 жыл бұрын

What if a region of Catalonia decides to secede from Catalonia, and so on, until a neighbourhood decides to be Catalonian City equivalent to the Vatican in Rome? Support THAT? :-)

@zarakdurrani7584

6 жыл бұрын

Alonzo Aldaba no catalonia, no more espanol senor. Simple lolol

@jesussanchezherrero5659

3 жыл бұрын

How exactly did you get to support the ultimate nonsense?

@fortis3686

3 жыл бұрын

You all know I changed my mind in the span of 3 years right?

@jesussanchezherrero5659

3 жыл бұрын

@@fortis3686 jajaja sólo quería practicar inglés

The democracy is based on one complete country. This is not fair that English media only catch the victims' part! Why don't you guys make a report of those children of Spanish police in Catalonia. The second day, they've just suffered bullying in school and been insulted by their professors and classmates.

Viva la unidad de Espana! Viva Espana desde Rumania!

@isaacd4425

6 жыл бұрын

españa odia los rumanos asi que no te emociones guapo

It's really sad to see him like having tears in his eyes. Yeah it's the rule out here whoever got the might grabs, snatches and manipulates the law in his favour. I am a person from developing country, still I am not shocked to see such injustice in developed rich country. This is the irony of today's world that the weaks are victims of savagery and inhumanity of the powerful. The struggle is way superior than the oppression. One day Catalonians will get justice and their due rights InshaAllah.