He's been saying for decades that Bonham fell in love with his kit and wanted a replica. That sounds plausible to me. Carmine had cool looking kits back in the day. But to say that Bonham mimicked him is a stretch and sounds like a lot of ego. Even if it were true, you don't say things like that. Makes you look bad.

@chuckselvage3157

3 ай бұрын

I dont agree with Carmine on that either. Bonham had his own style but had several influences though.

@mr.snicker-doodles7081

3 ай бұрын

Boy you said it...the title of this video should be "John Bonham copied my style, too bad I was never in a band that was half as good as Zeppelin" haha..

@vagpap85

3 ай бұрын

completely agree,moreover its sad that John Bonham is not here to answer..

@osiruskat

2 ай бұрын

@@mr.snicker-doodles7081 Vanilla Fudge was freaking huge during their time. Deep Purple members Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore openly admitted they were copying Vanilla Fudge...the same could be said for Uriah Heep. Zep and Vanilla Fudge toured together for a while including that infamous "shark incident."

@mr.snicker-doodles7081

2 ай бұрын

@@osiruskat Oh I know they were massive!! I never got it..?? I think ALL of the bands that you mentioned WERE better haha. I mean sometimes that happens, right??! The bands that you inspire are better than you! I think Carmine knows too...😭😭

Carmine also taught Jimi Hendrix how to play guitar…taught Lennon/McCartney how to write songs…taught Elvis how to wiggle his hips…co-wrote Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony based on his sick beats.

@treeherder2201

3 ай бұрын

🤣

@Fuxerz

3 ай бұрын

What's funny is his brother. He's the most humble guy you'll ever meet. He is the polar opposite of his brother. Strange

@OutOnTheTiles

3 ай бұрын

Yes it’s true! He also invented shoes and the wheel.

@javiercales5019

3 ай бұрын

LMAO!!

@edzkymunoz3837

3 ай бұрын

@@Fuxerz I like Vinnie playing better than Carmine.

Sounds like Carmine is a little envious of Bonham, Carmine doesn't even come CLOSE to Bonzo, and he knows it.

@swind2492

3 ай бұрын

I don't think you know anything about drumming. Carmine can play anything!! Bonzo who was a great drummer couldn't play anything other than Zep stuff. LOOK at the Body of work of Carmine.

@johncruz9357

3 ай бұрын

@@swind2492 that’s a bit of a stretch. He wasn’t around long enough to get the same opportunity to do more.

@MyRook

3 ай бұрын

@@swind2492 Led Zeppelin is the best rock band of all time and Bonzo was the back bone...Enough said.

@user-qm6xy6ie6r

3 ай бұрын

​@@swind2492can you name another group that prrmsnently disbanded because they couldnt replace their drummer ? No, you cant. Thats how good he was. Ive been playing 40 years, and carmine is not in bonhams league, or even close to it.

@swind2492

3 ай бұрын

The ran their course at the time anyway. Robert Plant wasn’t happy anyway. After the Death of his son, he completely lost interest. Bonhams death was just the icing on the cake.

Carmine also invented fire, the wheel and sliced bread.

When I first began learning drums I got Carmine's book/tape "Realistic Rock". That damn book is the most awesome piece of learning material for drums ever. Damn, I got really good really quick. Thank You, Carmine.

@JeffTullock-yx1hd

Ай бұрын

It’s a good one.

Everything Carmine says is true. What's also true is Carmine copied Dino Danelli in his early years.

I saw Carmine in clinic. He cried most of the clinic about how Bonham copied him. Dude needs to get over it.

@juliemanarin4127

3 ай бұрын

He is delusional

@Twotontessie

3 ай бұрын

It’s just a sound bite he can use use decade after decade so people continue to see his name come up. Nothing more than that.

@BrianGodsell-yq1kc

3 ай бұрын

What a crybaby 😅😅😅

Led Zeppelin called it a day because there was not another John Bonham

@markallen2984

3 ай бұрын

That's the story they tell, but the truth is that Plant was fed up with Page's drug addiction

@ytr3488

3 ай бұрын

​​​@@markallen2984That's the story you tell, but the truth is that Page was fed up with Plant's underage groupie addiction.

@macadoo2530

3 ай бұрын

They should have called Carmine! Hell Bonham copied him anyway!

@stevewelborn8744

3 ай бұрын

@@ytr3488 that's not my story. That is what Page and Robert Plant said. The story I tell. LMFAO.

@stevewelborn8744

3 ай бұрын

@@macadoo2530 Right LMFAO I got you

Sour Grapes! Makes Sour Wine!!

Asking to score an identical kit is hardly copying.......Bonzo 100% had his own style unlike no other.

Just can't give Bonham the credit. Sad

@KeithStLouis-kd5nz

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, tired of hearing Carmine say Bonham did nothing but copy him. Ridiculous

@geneboris33

3 ай бұрын

​@@KeithStLouis-kd5nz Ian Paice AND John Bonham did take ideas from Carmine Appice...but they did not copy him or anyone

@droppinlikefliesBand

3 ай бұрын

I believe every artist takes bits and pieces from others. But a flat out Rip off…? NO way. Inspiration is a better way to say it.

@jeffhodge7272

3 ай бұрын

​​@@droppinlikefliesBandAnyone that knows anything about music knows.There hasn't been any "new" music written in years.There's only so many notes and so many things to do with them.A LOT of bands sound the same or have similar styles. It's not ripping anyone off. It's an homage if anything to...Chopin,Tchaikovsky,etc...😊

@thetruthhurts6652

3 ай бұрын

Well the evidence is on KZread see.

Love the Fudge and Led Zeppelin. Both their first albums were the best.

As a drummer I hear completely different styles , with one glaring difference bonhams right foot and how he seamlessly incorporated triplets into zep tunes , both were amazing but bonham didn't borrow or still anything from carmine ~

@osiruskat

2 ай бұрын

Zep and Vanilla Fudge did tour for awhile. It does seem plausible that he may have nicked a little something from touring but I did hear Ginger Baker, although he was a dick, was a huge influence on Bonham..,.Keith Moon was an influence as well.

It's true that Appice showed Bonham a few things,,like most musicians do. Musicians should focus on being themselves, grasping the fact that nobody else can sound like themself.

Even Buddy Rich gravytrained off of Carmines greatness…it’s tragic

@JonMallek

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@osiruskat

2 ай бұрын

Apparently Buddy and Carmine were friends. Carmine does come across as pompous but he actually has the chops to back it up.

Carmine is still one of the biggest influences to a lot of musicians. Drummers then has a lot of comradery and would support and help each other, no ego, because unless you were Buddy Rich you were not featured, not getting royalties or sponsorships. Appice was the man and still is! Now we know how Bonzo got his WFL sponsor!

One of the old set designers on Bruce Lee’s ‘Way of the Dragon’ apparently said Bruce Lee was so impressed with Chuck Norris’s super accurate head kicks, that he overheard Bruce Lee ask Chuck Norris where he developed the style from. Chuck told Bruce that he was taught it by Carmine Appice.

I’m sure John Bonham was his own person. I need pictures of the matching kits.

@Twotontessie

3 ай бұрын

Go check out “Shotgun” on Ed Sullivan early 1969. A lot of what Carmine alludes to you can see there including the drum set. What he says is mostly true just that he continues to exploit it in every single interview it seems like for 40 years is annoying. Another great clip is “you keep me hanging on” I think that is 68 and he’s on a red set and just killing it. Leaning on the cymbal with his arm, blazing fast singles on the snare … that was a thing. He was a pioneer.

@JokersWild70

Ай бұрын

It's the blond maple Ludwig kit. Initially Bonham had 2 bass drums like Carmine, but Jimmy Page made him get rid of one bass drum because there was too much drumming going on 😂

Its possible!!! Carmine was at his best and Bonzo took notice like john also admired Ginger Baker nothing wrong with that all drummers have someone they admire.

The biggest ego in rock history

@zancraft7865

3 ай бұрын

I would have to humbly disagree; I would say the biggest ego goes to Yngwie Malmsteen but the guy arguably has a point.

@arronowen0u812

3 ай бұрын

Carmine also invented gravity, air, water and the universe.

Just telling the truth. He obviously loves Bonham. He knows Bonham was great, and not just a knockoff. Bonham is an original, but just like everyone he incorporated influences to create the drummer he was. Most certainly his innate qualities brought out a shine that only he possessed.

@surfshack2

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

I've heard him telling this story about Bonham for years. He never seems to humble with age. He can never just focus on giving Bonham props for who he was and let it go at that.

The title is a little misleading. John like most of us saw & heard something he liked & made it his own.

Carmine is a talented drummer. But, in many of his interviews, he always tends to take way too much credit for things. I think he just wants to make sure he is remembered as well, as he should be.

Jeez. Jealousy is a hell of a thing to deal with huh Carmine?

Carmine is responsible for so much of what is taken for granted now in rock drumming. For starters, he is the archetype (heavy) rock drummer. Inspired by Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Dino Dannelli of the Rascals, Billy Cobham and Bernard Purdie, he is, whether they know it or not, the root source of inspiration for every hard rock, heavy rock, metal, speed metal etc. drummer in the world today. He was so far ahead of everyone else in the pop-rock arena at that time. What about Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker? They were jazz drummers playing loudly. Carmine was a rock 'n' roll drummer with a Purdie-inspired backbeat and a flair for rudimental sticking and showmanship. Don't let the Carmine image fool you - he knows his stuff. In addition to making heavy drums (versus just loud) the happening thing back in the late 1960s (Ian Paice will confirm that), Carmine was also the one who really made double bass drums happen in rock (moreso than Keith Moon or Ginger Baker). He introduced large-sized drums, the china cymbal, the gong (all last seen decades previously), the multi-tom kit (copied from Hal Blaine's studio kit).... Deep Purple claimed their mission was to be the 'European Vanilla Fudge'. And if you want to talk about the first Prog Rock band, the Fudge would be in that running, with flashy instrumentation, soaring Hammond organ, cool arrangements, great vocals etc. King Crimson and Yes were surely listening. The ripping suffle of Van Halen's 'Hot for Teacher' can be heard over a decade earlier by Carmine on Cactus's 'Parchmen Farm'. For those of us around at the time Carmine and Vanilla Fudge were the only band that could compare with Cream and Hendrix. When Zeppelin arrived they were very derivative of the original Jeff Beck Group with Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood and either Micky Waller or Tony Newman drumming. Go listen to Beck's 'Shapes of Things', a heavied up version of the hit he'd had with the Yardbirds a couple years earlier. Slowing that tune down was very much something the Fudge were doing. Ditto Purple's slowed version of the Beatles' 'Help' (the Fudge did slow versions of 'Ticket to Ride' and 'Eleanore Rigby'). The big difference between Carmine and Bonham, IMO, was that the former was more about rock power and technique, the latter about groove and swagger. Did Bonham get his Ludwig kit thanks to Carmine? Absolutely! Did Bonham nick the triplet bass pattern from Carmine? Absolutely! Everything Carmine says is fact. He's not glory grabbing, just reiterating those facts. He will also be the first to tell us that he nicked a lot of his chops from Purdie and Cobham...then put them into a hard rock context. Listen to his hi-hat barks on 'Lady' by Beck, Bogert & Appice. That is a Purdie thing. If you are familiar with Jeff Beck's groundbreaking rock-jazz fusion album 'Blow by Blow' you might be surprised to know that Carmine was in on the start of that, providing riffs and recording drum parts. But a falling out due to whose name would be on the album - Jeff's management insisted on 'Jeff Beck' only - led to Carmne's departure and Richard Bailey stepping in to replicated Carmine's parts (albeit with a more funky, less rock-y feel). Still, he and Jeff remained friends. Ian Paice, with whom Carmine had intended to open up a series of drum schools in the 1970s is also a long-standing friend. Also, Carmine has been a name player since 1967, almost 60 years ago. He has worked hard to ensure that, which is what he is doing in this interview. He is the one with the real story, so listen up.

This is a dead horse subject, give it up. Carmine, your my hero brother ❤️❤️❤️❤️

This reminds me of Ace Frehley showing Eddie Van Halen how to tap. 🏳️

Vinnie is better then you Carmine ...

Carmine, Vinnie, LOVE them both!

I saw Carmine playing as a guest with Blue Oyster Cult in May 1998. Universal Studios LA. Anyone else at that gig? BOC played two sets that day.

Appice never heard a better drummer than John Bonham. He claimed he'd never heard anyone play drums like Bonzo.

Carmine, don’t you know that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery?? JHB loved you bro. Look at how many people imitate Bonzo! They really don’t know it but they ALSO love YOU. EVERYONE LOVES CARMINE.

What does Jason Bonham say about Carmine's claim?

@MrCherryJuice

4 күн бұрын

Jason wasn't around. Nor, obviously, were you. Everything Carmine says here is true. This information is nothing new - Carmine recounted this back in the 1970s.

The only thing he might’ve copied was the bass drum triplets. I’ve heard that John said that somewhere along the way.

Not taking anything away from Carmine as a musician, but man, this story again? Whenever he tells it, he never says *which* track that moment came from. This time he takes credit not only for Bonzo's playing, but also the stick spin too-have a bit of humility, Carmine! If he was good friends with him, then I'd like to hear some of the lesser known stories rather than "I taught JB everything he knew, you're welcome"

@LoyalOpposition

3 ай бұрын

"Ticket To Ride"

I watched the video of Vanilla Fudge on Ed Sullivan doing Shotgun and close to the end the drum part sounded a lot like the end of Led Zeppelin's Rock And Roll. You know, "been a long time since I rock and rolled". And yes, Carmine did twirl a drum stick. Not regularly, the way Tommy does, but just once. Tommy does it so much you would think he's a majorette.

He’s not saying it in a bad way and i still like him. Just a little history. Every musician takes from other musicians and makes it their own. Both Great drummers.

Both are amazing drummers. Just let it go at that.

@user-qm6xy6ie6r

3 ай бұрын

Carmine is a great drummer. Not amazing, and his SOUND is not amazing. I helped set up his shit at MI. He's not in bonhams class. Period.

SERIOUSLY CARMINE PLAYS SIMULAR BUT THAT STATEMENT ABOUT JOHN BONHAM COPYING CARMINE IS RIDICULOUS

I think Carmine feels like he isn't getting the recognition that he definitely deserves, and that's why this stuff is coming out. He's played with so many great bands, and co-written a few great songs. Maybe he feels like he isn't as big of a household name as he should be, IDK

Carmine is by far the best drummer that has ever lived….just ask him!!!

Bro, you gotta keep play Carmine, to fill the shoes of BONHAM.

I absolutely believe it. When I played the L.A. Club Circuit back in the early '80s you couldn't go into a guitar store without someone in their butchering "Eruption" or "Crazy Train." The development of John Bonham's style had to come from somewhere. Vanilla Fudge hit it big with "You Keep Me Hangin' On" in 1967 so as an up and coming drummer still developing his style John Bonham would have certainly been a fan of Carmine's.

Man, I dont see Carmine as arrogant at all! As far as Carmine talking about Bonzos kit and Bonzo's drumming! It is true that he called Ludwig to help Bonzo get a kit, and he was established as a famous before Zep and Bonham were well known. Obviously, Zep and Bonham ended up bein g much bigger and badder than Fudge or just about anybody! But, Carmine abd Fudge was there before them! !Thats all! He dudnt sat anything arrogsnt ir condescending that I heard!

Anytime i see a poll asking "top rock drummers" #1 is ALWAYS John Bonham, and then usually #2-#4 names Keith Moon, Ginger Baker, Neil Peart, in any kind of random order, Carmine sometimes doesn't even crack the top 10, especially nowadays where the younger generation will name people like Dave Grohl, or Travis Barker in the mix, Carmine just can't let it go.

Bonham got the idea 4 his 24 inc kick drums from carmine

@InfamousGarageHack

3 ай бұрын

Bonham’s bass drums were 26”.

@treeherder2201

3 ай бұрын

Except Bonzo's were 26"

@RockandrollNegro

3 ай бұрын

Bonham started out on a 28" bass drum, because his original kits were all put together, piecemeal like, from charity shops and old marching band equipment. He had a giant bass and snare because that was what he could buy cheaply. They were ancient, from the 1930s. Later, when he could afford new and better drums, he still missed the thunderous sound of a marching bass and snare, so he went to a 26" bass.

I mean he’s not wrong bonham Was influenced by appice, it’s really not that outrageous of a claim

Carmine Appice is the balls. John Bonham is the kick in the balls. (KICK, get it?)

Appice has been jealous of Zeppelins success for decades.

Another washed up musician like Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker, and Pete Townsend all hating on Led Zeppelin because they are jealous. All three of these guys plus Carmine can go kick rocks.

@macadoo2530

3 ай бұрын

Cream doesnt have to answer to Led Zeppelin. 😄 Brilliant jazz musos who just happened to become famous playing rock music. Baker & Bruce were bad mothers who knew their shit

I urge folks to check out interviews before he died.

carmine looks like he's going to live to be 300

Carmine is a self promoter. But, He’s not saying anything out of line, it checks out. This is a clickbait title

Led Zeppelin was NOTORIOUS for stealing musical ideas...To their credit, they did do awesome things with them....

@mikelachey824

2 ай бұрын

They no more stole than the ENTIRE rock world which stole from EVERY slave that played the blues

Carmine Appice...the King of Swat! Ian Paice called Carmine "my Teacher". Carmine is a legend , brilliant educator , instructor,much imitated though never duplicated and the original "THUNDER GOD!" OF DRUMMERS. Love You Carmine!

Let's face it..... all musicians steal, copy and EXPAND on those prior to them. Some just take it to another level.

Very plausible.... Zep had no problem plagiarizing other artists

Sorry, but Bonham could eat Carmine for breakfast 😂

I've never seen Bonham spin a stick why do you Musicians tear at each other I dont get that.

if it wasn't for CA saving Rock and Roll what would the music industry have done

Incorrect regarding style and you can go back pre Led Zep days to when JHB was with Tim Rose and all the Bonham signatures are there and the intro from one song is very similar to a later intro for Good Times Bad Times. The only thing John wanted from Carmine was Carmine’s kit, that’s true, and who wouldn’t Ludwig made great kits.

Man, I saw Carmine play a show with Ozzy. He sounded nothing like Bonham the great. he was doing little jazz beats and was just plain soft in his style. Tommy Aldridge was a much better drummer.Ozzy fired Carmine during the tour,that's how bad he was.

Neil Peart stole all of Carmen's licks, too.

Sorry carmine. Did you do 3 hour concerts for years on end. Like everything, the old make way for the new. Lets check out your influences and see what you took from those guys.

@LoyalOpposition

3 ай бұрын

if Zep never got big, he would never have mentioned him.. I think he knows he's near the end of life, and wants to get any glory he can. I have his book, but haven't even started it after others say he just talks about shit like this, and all the women he banged..

When i think of drummers i always think of these 2 greats and Cozy powell for the 70s greatest drummers. also Ian Paice then a little later in the 70s Neal Peart

@jimilove7773

3 ай бұрын

Cozy the greatest!

If you see VF footage from 67, he’s not necessarily wrong. CA was an innovator with that heavy/hard hitting R&B style.

Hey, Everyone borrows from everybody else... I'm sure Carmine liked the things Bonzo did as well and borrowed some of his ideas. What's the saying? "The highest form of praise is replication"?

NOBODY in the entire world believes anything this man is saying in this clip. He’s so jealous that he came up with this little yarn only to make a fool of himself. Sad actually.

Is Carmine a great drummer? Sure ...but he embellishes too many things to be believed

I respect both Carmine and john,but in 2024 we are still bewildered with john,s inovative style feel and technique its way ahead of eveybody,just accept it.

Carmen will always be his own biggest fan

Its sad the only part of Carmines legacy worth remembering is the fact that Bonham heard him play a triplet by accident .What a joke.

Zeppelin was fans of Vanilla Fudge.

Oh god, this old story....still?

no Carmen, John invented or developed his own style- based on the great musicians he played with- where as you with Vanilla Fudge, or Cactus, Blue Murder ect....never had song writes and arrangers like Page and Jones.... your simply out-classed by Bonham's musical terrain he thrived in...

@swind2492

3 ай бұрын

Bonzo only played that way because of his limitations. He wouldn't be able to sit in any other band other than Zep. Carmine has played with so many different groups/bands, his style is whatever the band is playing. There is a big difference.

@tommyaldridge9933

3 ай бұрын

@@swind2492l need me some of those “limitations”…

Talent does not always manifest in humility.

Great stories !

Its a whole wide open ether of creativity. Who in this industry has borrowed a lick Other than Colaiuta? Dont put a crime where there is none

Carmine is at it again. As usual Carmine puts himself in the spotlight by claiming how all these different used to look up to him and worship him and play Carmines style. A lot of people who knew John Bonham said John never copied Carmine's style or rhythms. Carmine has said a lot of stuff that isn't true and it's more than what I can write here. Carmines drumming never changed or improved. I went to a clinic he was putting on. It was awful. He was using a new electric drum set by Simmons ( this was back in the 1980s). He didn't know how play it and he spent 95% of the clinic farting around with the electronic kick. When he did go to an acoustic drum set, He played way to loud never changing the volume. I didn't think he could play better softer. So for years I have heard these same stories and playing style.

Ok carmine was a great drummer but strait from Jasons mouth he said Joe Moreello was Bonhams biggest influence. Just listen to Moreello sound and you hear Bonham.

That Dude's been changing his tune for years about Bonham. 1st he was going on about him get a kit. Then it was supposed to be triplets that he showed Bonham. Now it's supposed to be all of Bonham's style. Hey Carman get your story straight

Triplet Played on Double Bass Drums

With age a lot of these aging rock stars say just whatever and expect us just to eat it

Carmine is the greatest drummer ever. Just ask him.

You can't compete with a dead person, Carmine. Please let it go.

Vinnie is one of the greatest of all time with Black Sabbath and DIO!

At this point, Carmine Appice is most famous for telling others that John Bonham copied his style.

@LoyalOpposition

3 ай бұрын

lol, yeah, interviews like this is why I won't read Carmine's book..

Carmine tells the truth. Bonham even copied Carmine’s exact mustache style

@volpeverde6441

3 ай бұрын

carmine COULDN'T copy BONZO'S right foot or copy MOBY DICK....

Carmine is full of it. He’s jealous that Bonham gets all the attention and so he tries to take credit for his style. He said that Bonham’s famous fast foot triplet lick was something that he copied from Carmine, and if it’s true all drummers copy other drummer’s licks including Carmine and Carmine didn’t even remember using it. That’s as far as it goes though if it’s true at all. It’s not a good look for Carmine to say things that can’t be verified because Bonham is no longer here to to give his side of it and so Carmine thinks it’s safe to control the narrative. He’s gotten a lot of backlash, so if he wants to tarnish his own legacy he’s doing a good job of that.

Carmine Song 🎶 Books With The Floppy Vinyl 45 Record I Would Buy His Drum Books and You Play The Floppy 45 On The Stereo and Read The Drum Music 🎼 Charts What Carmine was Teaching Me or Us Is How to Recognize Drum Chart Patterns Now am in Jr. High School 3 Years Later After Buying All of Carmine’s Rock Drum Books I Auditioned for High School Concert 🎶 Band And The Music 🎼 Drum 🥁 Chart is Chicago Am a Man So No One Gets The Seat I Get The Drum Chart I Look 👀 and Wow I Can Read This Drum Chart So Am Next and The 3 Years of Reading All Of Carmines Rock Drum Books and Playing Along To The 45 Floppy Records I Saw 👀 a Familiar Pattern of The Drum Music 🎼 Chart and The Music 🎶 Director Dr. Quan He Gave Me The Tempo And I Won The Seat For The Drummer in My High School Concert Band I Lived In a Very Bad Neighborhood Yet Carmine And His Drum Books Kept Me Out Of All The Gang Activity Just on My Block Looking 👀 Back Carmine Saved My Life Thank You Carmine

I never liked the name vanilla fudge

Love CA

this guy should have played the kit like Bonzo then he wouldnt have to try to take credit for Bonzo's playing

Carmine is the greatest. Just ask him.

Living legend.

Copied or did it better? I'd say did it WAY better if what he said is true. Appice I don't know, Zeppelin EVERYONE knows.

Carmine is awesome. I've seen 2 clinics from him he is deadly

Elvis stole his shaky leg from Carmime

@volpeverde6441

3 ай бұрын

Ritchie Blackmore stole the california jam rainbow....from carmine....it was in his garage.... Black Sabbath stole vinnie from carmine for mob rules tour.... Bob Marley stole reggae from carmine....

We all take from each other.. Zeppelin had great songs and a killer lead singer we'll leave at that.. hm