You nailed it when you said the reason people complain about the color science of Sony is because they can’t color grade. BINGO! I was in this same camp years ago because color grading Canon is like having training wheels. But once you start to understand color and how to really push it you’ll quickly realize how much better Slog3 is over C-Log2. I know this is probably going to ruffle a few feathers but when I hear people say Sony has “Zombie” colors or it looks “Plasticky” my immediate reaction is that it's not the camera’s fault you just don’t know how to color grade. I’ve used a Venice II and compared the footage from my FX3 and it’s almost identical. If Sony colors are bad, based on inexperienced users, why are so many films utilizing Sony? Top Gun Maverick, Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, Avatar the Way of the Water all used Sony Venice. Tons of Netflix productions like Dahmer also used Venice. Just look at the predicted nominees: ymcinema.com/2023/01/05/oscars-2023-the-cameras-behind-best-picture-and-cinematography-predicted-nominees/ The fact that Sony Venice might actually win best picture and beat Arri shows a lot on how incredible Sony image quality is. And all of their tech from their high end Venice camera is pushed down to their mirrorless cameras which is why Sony is crushing it. Also where is Canon in that list? Anyway, welcome to the club Cam I know your stuff is legit and you’ll do amazing things with it because you know how to use your gear and not make excuses.

@chronocross85

Жыл бұрын

This logic can be said the same thing about using mirrorless cameras vs using cinema cameras. Using mirrorless is like having training wheels since the camera does all the work for you... while Cinema cameras everything is manual

@Photomeike

Жыл бұрын

Some push back for Armando… Yes while it may be true that experienced color graders can make any camera look good. You are comparing movies and films with specialized lighting and color graders that were trained and get paid to just fix the colors. To amateurs and prosumers who shoot KZread videos and family vacations. If color science didn’t matter then Sony wouldn’t be working on making their colors better with every new camera release. Most people just want to capture their footage and have it look good with the least resistance possible. And back in the day, the Sony’s provided the highest amount of resistance. Now in 2023 not so much anymore. So yeah the Sony color argument may not be a valid complaint in 2023. It did stem from the struggles with the earlier versions…

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Imagine all of the pro colorist and color house who are just laughing at everyone.. cause you can give them any footage and they'll make it look amazing. Because they KNOW HOW TO GRADE haha. And you put it perfectly, Canon has great colors out of the box. Training wheels. But once you're ready to start rolling at full speed.. Canons lineup is going to hold you back unless you drop a bank account on them.

@unknowncaller4739

Жыл бұрын

@@Photomeike what he said

@collectedmind3653

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey Question, you're CST from SLOG 3 to ARRI, then ARRI to 709? If so, which ARRI gamma and color space did you choose?

great time to be a creator! so many good cameras, that fx6 is incredible- stoked to see what you make with it!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

RIGHT?! Were so freakin spoiled haha

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@art_means_artificial haha hey man they’re just trying to express themselves, we all need an outlet! But I get what you’re saying haha

Lol to those complaining, I’ve had a seat in this dude’s audience for a while, like I’m talking Fuji XT3 times. This guy ain’t no shill to a brand name, he jumps around looking for the best paint brush for his canvas, and when he finds it, its credit where it’s due. So why not sit back and benefit. For real tho kid rock, I appreciate these vids man; some of your day 1s over here, we the beneficiaries. Let’s gooo

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I appreciate you man. Real recognizes real.

My number one complaint with my R5C (battery life isn’t an issue for how I use it) is not having clog2 in a non RAW format. It is a $4,500+ cinema camera and they won’t give us CLOG-2!

@CO8848_2

Жыл бұрын

Panasonic gives full v log in a $2000 camera

@jessejayphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@CO8848_2 yeah, Panasonic is doing it right.

@CO8848_2

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, r5c deserves clog2.

Can't wait to see what you create with your passion projects. Your work is fantastic

Welcome to family bro! Getting the best of my FX3 since 3.0 update (OpenGate, Cine Ei...etc) in such a small body my gosh.

Lifelong Canon shooter here and Cam’s right about all of it. I still prefer the C70 to FX6 so that’s enough to keep me, but Sony makes more sense for more people right now. But if Panasonic plays it’s cards right, there might be a lot of Lumix switching videos next year

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Dude the C70 footage is still some of my fav. Can stretch the footage all over. But yeah super excited to see what Panasonic brings to the table. If they put that phase detection in a cinema body……. I’d be very intrigued. Respect you man. Thanks for tuning in 🤘🏽

Thank you, i am a canon user, thinking of switching. Youve have covered every questions that i had in thoughts that needed answers. Like working in DaVinci. Do you have color grading video? Thanks for this tutorial

If you want a straight out of camera image, I suggest shooting in hdr pq mode. That is fully ready and in 10bit color. Now, older devices can't do rec2021 so you can convert it to rec 709 or rec 2020 but newer devices like smartphones can do rec 2021 now

You have to do what works for you, bro. I don't care what gear you use; I'm always glad to see your badass work! I'm a Nikon myself, but I'm going to check out the new Lumix SII!

@azfilmmaking6734

Жыл бұрын

Seems like s5iix is a great camera for its price

@jtes1442

Жыл бұрын

@@azfilmmaking6734 yeah , that's what I'm waiting for.

@hmpa21

Жыл бұрын

Yep Panasonic S5iix

so you say the r5c get 2 more stops of dr if you film in raw? So wouldnt it be a solution to use raw in high dynamic situations only? thanks a lot

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

No. I’m not about to be jumping between codecs in a middle of a gig all day. I shouldn’t have to do that. And then majority of the times where I’m handing the footage off, in house editors don’t want raw footage they jsut want log or a baked in LUT. That’s just not realistic to do on actual jobs. That is the beauty to RED is their raw is a lot easier to work with from file size to editing. And the red cameras prores is insane too

I love your theme, your focus and your passion!

Thank you for this, I just recently switched from Fuji to Sony, I love the Fuji look, I love that dirty film look that it gives, but I was just losing out in low light, and some autofocus, had seen my peers using sony and was just blown away, so here I am, I got the A74 btw

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah dude hahah I kept seeing friends switch to Sony….. and their life just seemed easier afterwards. All the camera options, each of them being jam packed with features. And then I’m over here looking at my super simple canon with limited options, slowing me down. I still have my x100v though. Special camera.

@JoserTheDirector

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey I still have my xt4 but sold 2 xt3’s had to keep 1.

Just found your channel. Really cool stuff man! I like your style. I have a blackmagic 6k looking to get into the Sony Ecosystem, how do you like the FX30?

Like all the knowledge you share, don’t give a crap which tool you use. Keep the great KZread content coming.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

More non gear related stuff coming I promise

This whole video is camera church! Man’s spitting truth! Looking forward to the new things you make cam!

As someone who owned that camera, let me warn you, be careful with Polarisation filters when using the eVND. I have come across some serious colour shifts when using CP filters. You might wanna try linear polariser filters? (haven’t tried them, but i have heard they do mess up with AF)

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Don’t think I’ll ever need any external NDs on this. I’m not scared to close down my aperture haha

Thanks a lot man for honest review!!!

Wow, love what you said about your passion for documenting indigenous people. Recently i spent 5 weeks in Colombia and seen all these indigenous people. And we filmed a short piece with Arhuaco family, and wow! What an experience, right now in the editing room with it. And already learning spanish because I want to go back and do more of that. :)) Nice, looking forward for your short films.

All 100% Correct. Seriously, you are 10000% spot on. I have been shooting for over 25 years, motion and stills, from highest end jobs anyone can imagine for biggest brands to small creative projects, you nail it.

Have you tested any recent Sonys for stills? Or what’s your go to currently when needed

@JeffDietzphoto

Жыл бұрын

Ha I think you answered right after I asked in the video

Would you say Panasonic has become interesting with the on par AF system now?

Would you have stayed with the R5c if it had better battery life and quicker switch from photo to video?

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Nope, cause still no clog 2 unless in RAW and limited native mount lens options. And I would have to buy a few of them instead of them just giving all the same options in their other bodies. With sony, I'll prbly end up with 4 bodies that all give slog 3 and its max dynamic range with an overhwleigm amount of lens options

@RockyMaiviaMiami

Жыл бұрын

For me yes. The 35-150 was also a factor. It’s a bit of a unicorn combined with s35 crop and clear image zoom

Bro really loving the channel! I think I found your channel at the perfect time! Lol

Have you had any experience with the Zeiss cine lenses and the Sony cam?

The phantom ‘neutral’ lut really gives you Alexa color out of s log3. I know I know not ‘real’ Alexa color but damn close. you can then apply stylistic grading on top of that and it looks amazing

@matthewfoote12

Жыл бұрын

yeah phantom luts are so underrated

I love the colors of this video. Could you advise which of your luts would be suitable for me? I'm working with panasonic V-log, but I can of course change it to arri or something in davinci resolve.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

I just relaxed my new ones! But they’re for slog 3 so use at your own will haha

@lhorizonfilms7784

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey I see there are several lut options in the store. What Lut name is the most similar to what I see in this video?

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@lhorizonfilms7784 oh sorry, the natural LUTs. Imma take down the Legacy ones rn

Real talk, I appreciate your passion and the communication. I am a newbie creator....well new making a business based on creating and I don't like Canon's business model either. I am probably joining the Sony family this year as well. Anyway thanks for what you do....just subbed

the level is quite nice to use when you want to straighten your horizons then switch off when you dont need it. just cycle up on the dpad

As a Canadian whose Grandfather is from England and Grandmother Indigenous Canadian, I look forward to seeing the documentary! Also, best of luck with the new gear, Cam. I myself have been on the fence about switching from Sony to Canon. I really love the colours that come straight out of cam as well as the ergonomics and interface that Canon has to offer. But, with that said, yhe whole 3rd party lens fiasco is pretty awful and is probably losing Canon a lot of potential customers to Sony. If Canon decides to open up the RF system to 3rd party, it would benefit everyone.

@arneheeringa96

Жыл бұрын

I have a great book by Antti Tuuri about finnish guys coming to Canada to chop wood and one of them falling in love with an indigenous girl against all prejudice and integrating in their community. There's also a great story about a Canadian chief becoming orthodox and befriending a greek guy. This one wrote down the story very lovingly.

@jasonmasterman9735

Жыл бұрын

I don’t see the big deal with canon and 3rd party lenses. People are using this as an excuse to bash Canon some more. Just go buy red ring EF glass and get an adapter. It’s cheaper second hand and there are thousands of EF lenses out there on the second hand market.

@arneheeringa96

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonmasterman9735 for amateurs like me indeed, for a pro wanting the best glass probably not.

FX3 user. I got the phantom luts early on and built a workflow around them. You can push the Sam hell out of the all-i codec. It’s just incredible. Plus plenty of times I’ve been in a pinch with no gimbal, and Catalyst just saves your ass. Love this system. It’s minimal, gets tf out of the way and does the job

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was playing with the phantom LUTs and love them. They’re a little to sterile for my taste still tho. I used my own LUT on this one. Slowly refining them!

PLEASE do a review of the Tamron 35-150! I've been really thinking about picking one up, but I'd have to rethink my current lens selection. I have a 24 1.4 GM, a 35 1.4 GM, and the 24-70 2.8 GM. I'd have to sell the 24-70 and the 35, probably pickup the 16-35 2.8 GM which is just a lot of steps. Seeing your thoughts on the Tamron would help a ton!

I am SOOOOOOO LOOKING forward to your next phase of documentary work!!!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Dude I’m so like scared but feel so freakin prepared at the same time. It’s a whole new challenge for me so I am beyond excited. Never felt more ready.

@Imhotep397

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey Campfire discussions with elders man!

I have been waiting for this video. I still have my A7r4 and the A7iii I mostly shoot photos and your right spend the time and get the look you want. Get intimate. I love what you wrote on Instagram "Log footage is just a blank canvas. Up to the Painter to bring the image out." I feel the same for stills. Thank you for putting your passion and experience into this and I appreciate you sharing it with me. I'm here for the journey. I'm looking forward to your projects. -Frank You do some magic with the X100V.

21:45 This is my favorite moment in the video! My brother went on a similar monologue and I just watched and nearly said “bravo, bravo”.

hi how about try the new lumix s5 II macky?

I just found your channel and I feel like I connected with your color style and mindset right away. I quit my sales job a year ago and started doing wedding photography but my passion is to be a DP/Colorist. My main camera is the canon R6 but the more I do video and the more I learn about color grading the more frustrated I get about what canon doesn’t offer (although they can). My plan is to transition over to Lumix because I did t want to give in to Sony but you are the first KZreadr that has made me consider switching to Sony.

So when will you have c1 film presets for sony? thanks!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

I gotta get out and shoot with it first haha

@anhquyenvuong9658

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey yeah, hope soon, I really like your film look color ^^

Can you please show how you color graded this video. It look shockingly cinematic considering using Tamron Lens

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Haha prbly not this one, but I’ll do some color grading videos coming up! And cinematic isn’t about the lens. It’s about all of it. The most important tho is the lighting. Shooting from the shadow side. Creating color contrast. And THEN it’s about the camera.

Phantom luts for Sony will instantly give you beautiful skin tones and footage. Plus he makes the same luts Canon, Blackmagic, Arri, Red, etc so it makes matching footage a lot easier.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Already gottem! I use them for monitoring. The one in this video was my own LUT I made.

May I suggest trying the Lumix S5 mark ii, test it and see if it works for you.

Yeah, Cam. You nailed it, it’s how you post process your image that makes the difference. Steve Yedlin doesn’t really care what camera or film stock he uses to shoot his movies. Also, everyone thought Kendy Ty was shooting his films on ARRI when he really harnessed the power of his RebelT3i and honed the image in post to make it visually tell his stories.

Any thoughts on Blackmagic?

Have you played with the R3? I find myself using it over my R5c for fast b-roll. It’s really the best of both worlds, and the eye autofocus makes it so much more fun to shoot photos

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Nah never touched it. Everything still applies to that camera. And I can’t stand using hybrid menu systems as a dedicated video camera. That’s why I loved the r5C so much cause it had cinema menus. But that’s all it had really.

@robmcd

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people sold their C70 for the R3.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@robmcd imagine a box styled R3 with cinema menu.. AND CLOG 2 in XF-AVC. Canon needs something like that.

@Aaron-Almquist

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey My favorite thing about using the R3 is that it doesn't have the cinema menu like the r5c. And you you get all the great AF zone modes like we did on the R5. You should have a play with it!

@cjm8160

Жыл бұрын

@@Aaron-Almquist ditto the R6 MK II

When I started taking photography seriously about 15 years ago, someone pointed out that a) Canon's main effort was aimed at marketing and attracting new customers b) Fuji led the way on colour science and c) Nikon produced cameras that supported their old lenses dating back to the 50's and beyond - unlike Canon who, I believe, required their loyal customers to buy a completely new set of lenses each time they introduced a new series of cameras. It struck me, even then, that Canon weren't for me.

@onlysublime

Жыл бұрын

Canon has been on the ef mount for 36 years. Ef glass still adapts better than nikon f mount glass

What happen to your RED ?? And ZCAM ??

On the color science bit, Resolve's CST is indeed the sauce. A little background: A big reason people have had issues with certain cameras color science is because the general thought process on KZread (and even among colorists in the early days of digital log formats) was that normalizing footage from it's log state to Rec709 was a combination of pushing the contrast slider and the saturation slider until it looks normal. The problem is that color science is complicated and the contrast and saturation sliders are extremely simplistic mathematical functions that can't consider the spaces they are manipulating. "Color science" is math, and pretty rigid math at that. Applying the same mathematic function to different spaces will get you to a bunch of different final looks, depending on which source it is. And you're virtually guaranteed to be inaccurate (read: gamut clipping) when you do . Almost every camera (excluding Kinefinity, Z Cam and Sigma I think) has their log profiles documented. You can look up the whitepapers and see the math behind their EOTF and color space. BMD then takes that information and builds it into the CST function because it is indeed just math. As someone who colors various cameras fairly regularly, my grading approach is exactly the same for virtually everything because of Resolve's color management system. I put almost no thought into the camera nuances because the math is accounted for already. This is why colorists can grade anything: because no one is actually hand-grading log. They are working under a solid transform, whether that be the CST operator or a LUT, and that does the proper translation to get color that looks right. It's like pouring liquid through a funnel; you can slosh it all along the sides, but it's still all gonna slide down the funnel into the spout and not spill over the sides. Another thing, and this may ruffle feathers: You never really see a camera's color science. Cameras record data in exorbitantly large color spaces in scene linear gammas. We neither have the displays to show anywhere close to that amount of color information nor do we as human beings see linearly. As such, whether with photo or video, the image must be translated into something viewable. This means changing to a power function gamma like Gamma 2.4 or BT1886 and squeezing that massive color space into a vastly smaller representation like sRGB or Rec709. Because of that squeezing, you are always getting ***someone else's interpretation*** of that squeeze. Maybe it's Adobe, Capture One, MacOS Preview, the manufacturer's raw converter, the manufacturer LUT, RED IPP2, Resolve, Baselight, etc. They all have different and still technically correct interpretations of that data translation because the very act of narrowing it allows them to impart their own flavor. This is a good thing. This means it's all changeable. Extremely changeable. The manufacturer can account for the general pipeline, but the exact final flavor is out of their hands. That's up to your software and you. This hopefully frees you from the unnecessary bind of camera brand color science alliance at the cost of everything else that can aid workflow. Take everything Cam said to heart because it's true. It's time for us to collectively stop complaining about color because it's a problem that's already been solved. All we need to do is a click a couple buttons in a dropdown menu in Resolve and continue about our day.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@Nemastic

Жыл бұрын

What a post! For the longest time I trained my eye to process footage without a transform and convinced I was gaining something. Now I see a color space transform is not optional, especially with mixed media productions. Resolve has enabled a level of precision our eyes fail to perceive even if we did have the monitors.

@jessejayphotography

Жыл бұрын

I guess I finally need to dump FCP and take the time to learn resolve. I love FCP but no color management, lack of practical features, and out-dated effects layering. I guess it is time.

@stalman

Жыл бұрын

I also blame the camera manufacturers for not providing good technical LUTs. They don’t seem to follow any logistical targets

@ErrickJackson

Жыл бұрын

@@jessejayphotography Of course I support the move. But I’ll admit my bias, which is that my only involvement in the motion world is in color. I have no editing background and I’ve barely touched FCP, so I take others words on the difficulty of switching editing practices. Still, I’ve heard enough people say they’re eventually able to get used to Resolve’s editing workflow that I believe it to be worth it for the far superior color tools.

You always bring the truth with no hidden agenda, Cam. I really appreciate that. LOVE your work and commentary so much.

Your points about colour science reminds me of the recent articles and videos I've read from cinematographer Steve Yedlin (Knives Out, Last Jedi) and how he's able to pretty much match any camera system to any film stock. It's confirmed for me something I've always thought in the back of my mind, most modern cameras are flexible enough to manipulate to any look you want, as at the end of the day it's all math. Although very technical, it was interesting to see how he makes his own colour space transforms to almost perfectly match film colours and contrast.

Curious if you considered the FX9. If not, why not?

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Too large for my needs

Love being back on Sony myself! Switching to the canon R5 from the A7r4 was the biggest mistake I ever made…but live and learn I guess! Something I missed so much about sony is shooting photos in slog 3! It sounds odd but I have been grading all my photos in resolve with my video workflow and it’s AMAZING! You can even do 10 bit 4:2:2 stills in slog 3! So excited for your Sony content that I watched this video while driving home from work 😂 love your stuff brother! Keep it up!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow I might have to test that out on day!

@martzallmedia

Жыл бұрын

What?

@restlake

Жыл бұрын

that log + LUT workflow is great in Photoshop with adjustment layer LUTs as well. I also enjoy stills processing in Resolve the import/export isn’t as simple

@BorisTheArtist

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey highly recommend trying to grade photos in DaVinci, i even made a video about it a year ago, but then some things happened (hint: I'm from Ukraine) , so i stopped making YT vids for awhile, now back to it. Anyway, I use DaVinci for 90% of my photography work, it's amazing. Great video, btw! Made me considering Sony system again, i got tired from Blackmagic's bulkyness.

Great stuff as always Cam and reasonable justification for another system switch! Just curious - you mention constantly that you are creating increasing amounts of paid video work and are very invested in color - how’s your experience with HDR output? Is an HDR/Dolby Vision grade a common request in RFPs/contracts these days? HDR feels like the final frontier for maximizing the output from these robust log profiles. As they tend to do, Apple has also set a pretty high bar and consumer precedent with the native DV/HDR capture and editing pipeline contained right on iPhones, so the 10bit+/HDR/DV workflow is highly optimized on mobile already. Apple features for photo and video usually seems to be an indicator of where camera companies end up playing catch up

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Oh man I haven’t dove into HDR at all. I’ll wait till it becomes an actual standard or requested by clients. Just like vertical video.. I’m barely accepting its reality hahaha

@restlake

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey ha that’s fair. Sony has a decent HLG profile from what I remember, so you can pretty much test it in camera. My personal preference for a simple HDR setup in DR is editing in a Resolve managed color project w/ their wide gamut as the working color space and the HDR output option. I bet you’d have fun with it and it’s a whole new world no one really is focused on right now since Rec2020/Rec2100 output can’t make use of the 1000s of Rec709 LUTs out there (unless you want SDR output) Lol it’s funny you mention vertical too since it should be so much easier to get something nice looking than it is on some of these cameras. Vertical has been pretty much “free” to shoot at a decent aspect ratio if you can shoot open gate/3:2/4:3 but I’m not sure if Sony offers that option. I’m making it work with Panasonic and open gate on that front

This more of an evolution than a camera switch. It's not the typical I switched systems video, don't worry

This is the pep talk from " a real photographer videographer" with existing projects, clients, and shoots. The others KZreadrs are mostly just noise. They reviewed the gear without totally using it for an actual client shoot. They are paid good enough by the brand to talk shit. Thanks, Mackey!

Which Sony camera offers slog3 for $500?

@ErrickJackson

Жыл бұрын

All of the a6000 series cameras except the very first one shoot sLog3. They're in 8-bit, but they allow it.

Great stuff man👍👍👍

I'm thinking about switching from Sony to Nikon for photography. I think Nikon will try the Z9 tech on the base models sooner or later. About colors, with Sony at least for photo is a must to set the white balance manually. If your white balance is off then the colors could be a mess, and even today I see people taking important stills with costly Sony cameras with auto white balance, not even configured.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

I don’t get auto white balance in general. I want my scene too look like it does to my eye in real life. Not perfect grays.. cause even in real life ambient colors affect gray tones and our eyes don’t adjust the damn white balance lol. If I’m shooting oroduct and I need perfect whites and grays, I’ll use a gray card. Otherwise, I trust me eye and manual WB

I actually picked up my first Sony a couple of months ago (FX30) and I've been enjoying it a whole lot for video. Before that I was using an R5 and I feel like this is so much easier to get the footage I want, and I used to be a Sony colors hater.

It's often about the lessons learned and the skills gained throughout the journey of finding the right camera for you that makes the temporary annoyances all worth it in the end. Glad you're happy with the new setup, can't wait to see what you create!

Are you still going to shoot fuji?

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

X100V is my baby.

I agree, but I can't afford to jump to the best on the day.i have the R3, it doesn't need accessories to run and gun. But no clog2 and the colours are very magenta. It is a pain but I can manage it for my YT content.

I had looked at Sony before getting the R5c but I felt the down side of Sony is there are to many bodies that are hampered in certain ways e.g. the A7iv has to shoot compressed RAW at 10fps then 6fps uncompressed (which imo is to slow, but I mostly shoot sports), then on the video it is cropped at 60p. FX3 is a cinema camera but lacks any of the UI you would expect (false colours specifically). My main point is for the cheaper 3rd party lens you have to carry 2 bodies to be "hybrid", but if you are going mostly video I can 100% see why this choice to switch makes sense and the FX6 on paper is almost pefect (esp for the auto ND). I have frustrations with Canon still so I can relate to some of what you're saying as well, but I am hoping the R5c will see some firmware love that R5 got. Can't agree more about the Davinci comments though.

Nice congrats! We worked with Sony since the fs2, a7r3, a6400... I hate working with them. A total mess. the fx6 and the funky little fx30 are huge improvements. But it's mostly corporate stuff. For the documentary stuff I prefer Panasonic. Just about to finish a music video shot on gh6. I complement it with the S5 at the moment But dude, the perfect b-cam (or anamorphic cam for that matter) for the fx6 seems to be the lumix S5ii: 1. Awesome stabilizer (with anamorphic mode) 2. Convert v-log to s-log 3. Anamorphic desqueeze Everything IN CAMERA. Love it! Rarely touched the damn gimble since I will pair mine with sigma 28-70 2.8 but you could also adapt ef glass with the sigma thingy. Or go crazy with some leica glass... No experience with it yet but it seems the Achilles heel is solved.. I'm fine with manual focus anyway (but only if I have to :)

As a hobbyist I don't have your needs/constraints, I simply invest my money to get back some joy. And I feel exactly like you. Buying Canon is like giving my hard earned money to a company that I feel wants to cheat me (those cripples, not allowing third party lenses...) while Sony seems more straightforward with their practices. I also love my Fuji and Panasonic for other reasons but Canon... I am done with them unless they revert their selfish practices. Good video, as always, I always love to hear your honest opinion as a pro and I feel that I always learn something from you 👌

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Man if I was just doing all of this for a hobby.. I’d be all over fuji haha

@RamonLinares

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey I literally have a secret savings account called "gfx" 😅 if I manage to be disciplined maybe this year it will happen 🤞🤞🤞

Great video bud. I totally understand the frustration. Its like a kick in the gut, when the system you want to use is compromised intentionally. 21:54 *I felt that* 🙋🏾‍♂️

Great video! Over the last year or so, I have been leaning between staying with Canon and buying the C70 or switching to Sony FX6. Money-wise, I want to stay Canon; but, for my use, Sony is looking like the better value. It would just hurt have to buy a FX6, Sony lenses, batteries, ect.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Well after selling all my gear, I didn’t really lose any money! Granted that can take time

I see you Falcam plate! Love those things! 😂

Ive almost owned every camera youve recommended after seeing your work with it, although I admit im biased since I also like the subjects/locations of what you shoot just as much. I had the r5 and was looking to sell for the r5c. Now youre at sony and Ive already been using my 7s3, a7iv and fx6 for over a year so now im just looking forward you your new videos and workflow/grading on sony cameras. At the end of the day, all cameras will give you a pretty damn good image these days, its now more about usability and what makes a shoot easier and quicker.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Bro how are you liking it?! I never felt more confident going into a shoot.

@animusvisual

Жыл бұрын

@cammackey my fx6 is my workhorse A cam. Sometimes I feel naked like I'm forgetting things, but I got the tilta v mount plate that attaches to the BP and it's so well balanced. Built in ND. 4k120 in 10 bit with no crop all on regular SD cards, shoots even on v60s. It's a dream really, Sony definitely spoiled us. Only beef is indeed the top handle/audio input deal, especially if you decided to strip it down for gimbal work.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@animusvisual hahaha dude I felt that packing for this trip. It’s such an odd feeling to not have to assemble all these parts and bits. But yeah all the options in one camera, it’s soothing haha. Hopefully someone makes something for the audio situation. Cause I would Prbly ditch that top handle for something half the size

This is sure to ruffle some feathers. But really it’s whatever floats your boat or finds your lost remote. I’m curious to see how the E-ND’s work out for you.

Agree. I camera manufactures are delivering amazing products these days. As for me, I am a Nikon Z9 and Z7ii shooter and edit my stuff in my style and have zero complaints from clients. In fact, continue to grow as a business. Thanks for these honest, transparent videos. :)

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

That’s what it’s all about!!! Happy your system works for you brutha 🤘🏽

Soo excited for this journey Cam! I've always held the belief that Sony colors are so broken they can't be fixed and believe me I gave Sony a lot of time like I mentioned to you during your live. Since your live stream I've gone out on the hunt for downloads for Sony and Canon raw file comparisons. Found a few most of them are R5 VS A7R IV and the results when editing in Capture One are shocking. I have your film curve presets and when you apply those to the Canon and Sony raw files they look identical and so do my own Capture One presets. Funny thing is I've never had issues on the video side with Sony colors if I use Slog3. I've always edited in Davinci and used a CST like you mentioned. I think the culprit here for all the Sony color issues is Adobe. Adobe's "Camera Matching" profiles for the R5 and the A7R IV look wildly different. That's not the case in Capture One.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Yeah great point I should have brought capture one up. Lightroom is like crayons and capture one is like fine paint brushes haha

@JoshBenBernales

Жыл бұрын

Yup, Lightroom trashes a lot on import, unfortunately.

@jkinze

Жыл бұрын

I started using C1 in November and am a Sony user. Immediately, I recognized a difference in color in LR. Cant really explain it, but the files look better!

@NickDelDuca

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@@jkinze Capture One is partnered with Sony so they have a hand in developing the camera profiles etc. You are getting the colors Sony intended when you are using Capture One. On the other hand Adobe is Adobe. Their raw processing is a mystery and they don't share or collaborate with anyone.

Hmmmmm….could be a use for some of those cool Laowa macro lenses for all the art piece docs coming!

I shot with Canon when I started in 1999. Switched to Fuji/Sony back in 2012. Decided to switch back to Canon when the Cano R came out but didn't like it. Then tried switching again to Cano R6 when it came out. But lack of lenses made me rethink. Sony has SO much 3rd party support it was a no brainer. Still till today I shoot with Sony/Fuji. Then Canon not supporting 3rd party that just limited you lens selection unless you got deep pocket. Great video and I agree with you!!!! 100 percent brother...

Love your transparency and honesty! Looking forward to the work you'l put out!

The R5C's new update allows for photo to video switch at 3 seconds oppose to 8 seconds.

You should check out the ND that go in front of the sensor for the Sony A7RV camera

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

I would destroy the sensor haha. Work on location too much to be messing with the sensor sadly

dude the moment Canon put out the R6 mkii I lost it. I had recently purchased the r6 and still dealing with overheating even after the update and recording externally with a ninja V so I am ready to sell my gear and switch.

I have the Fx6 and I really love it 🎥😍

7:50 Panasonic has all of that. I am curious what you make of the S5II. And the prospect of seeing all future Panasonic bodies coming with very good phase detect auto-focus. Sony has competition now. And the L mount alliance gives you access to even more lenses than Sony's mount.

@eyeballbilly

Жыл бұрын

gimbal like stabilisation in body has to be a huge selling point , you can film a wedding without a gimbal, that's so compelling on a 12 hour shoot

@aram.v

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I want anamorphic support. Open gate ! S5IIX 🙌🏻

@nyambe

Жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure he could make it work with any brand these days but Panasonic has no answer to the FX6 / c70. Sony also gives you all the autofocus, all the codecs and all the frame rates rates in their cinema line cameras. From the FX30 to the FX9. You can choose, ABCD camera

@mondobytes

Жыл бұрын

@@eyeballbilly the 8 stops of Stabilization on the A7RV is much better than the S5II. I tested both side by side and the S5II feels wobbly when the A7RV feels naturally and like a gimbal.

@Behnam_Moghaddam

Жыл бұрын

... and burning in the lut... the EVA2 and the S1H2 unfortunately not here to Switch kompletely.... but one could convert v-log to s-log too...

Agreed. My only complaint with Sony (and this will make it clear that I am far from being at your level!) is that you cannot shoot tethered in Lightroom. You can do it in Capture 1 but that is three times the price. Other than that I regret shifting not one bit.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Oh man capture one is the way to go haha. The sad fact is, software is all subscription base now. It’s another investment we have to make if we want to grow. So once you can afford it, or swallow the price haha I would say check it out. It’s a bit of a learning curve. But the quality different is night and day. I always say LR is like crayons and C1 is like fine paint brushes

@jkinze

Жыл бұрын

C1 offers crazy black Friday deals.

I feel like I just left church lol. . Great talk and can't wait to see what you create.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha

Colour since is a dumb thing to get bent out of shape about. Slog3 is so easy to grade and make look anyway you want with colour transform in Resolve. And when it comes to photos shooting RAW you literally can do anything with the Sony files. That said. I will say Sony cameras aren't inspiring to use but they get the job done and will confidently crush any situation.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input brother!! Your work stands out regardless of what camera is in your hand. Just one talented mofo!!!!!!!! And agree with everything. That’s why imma hold on to my X100V haha

@LeeZavitz

Жыл бұрын

@@cammackey Gotta keep one Fuji on hand for fun

As a Canon R6 user and a FULL on amateur when it comes to Film making in general this is such a useful video I think Canon cant afford to hold back on CLOG2 to hybrid shooters any longer as your story is being repeated amongst soo many KZreadrs switching to other brands (Gods knows how many outside of youtube) such as their rival Sony and Panasonics etc Look at Panasonic changing their dynamic implementing Phase Detect in their S5 sensor. I think Canon will change and add Clog2 in their future hybrid cameras since now to lure people back into their eco system as now Panasonic has fully joined the race and potentially taken a lot of customers with them Since i am not fully committed into a eco system i think Sony seems to be the safest and best possible option Love your work Cam!!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Yes it’s super important to invest into the tools that give you space to grow. I always love recommending Fujifilm to photographers who just wanna shoot for fun. Or that new Panasonic is fun for anyone who wants to start with anamorphic. Or Sony for jsut everything

I shot film, processed, and printed for almost 15 years. In 2004 I transitioned from a film Nikon F5 to a digital Nikon D2x. Never had an issue with the supposedly “horrible Nikon color science” in the D2x, D610, or the D750. In fact, art directors used to ask me how I got such great skin colors from my Epson prints, LOL. Last year I picked up an A7S3 and last week an A7R5 and LOVE the colors I get in video and stills. Like @cammackey my needs changed and now I shoot more video in addition to e-commerce product work. OH, I switched to Capture One Pro and wondering why I took so long. If your colors suck it is you, not your gear. BTW, I get pretty swell colors out of my GoPro Hero cams as well.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

A round of applause. Film photographer know what good skin tones are haha.

Only reason I didn't go with Sony was the issue with adapted glass i.e a Leica lens every now and then cause a magenta colour cast in the image. Some white balance issue error. But Fujifilm worked so went with Fujifilm after years with Canon.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

If a lens causes a tint, it’s going to cause a tiny on any camera. I never use auto white balance. That would screw me over. In fact, for photos I’ll shoot with my white balance at 7000k just because the warmth inspires me while shooting. And then in post I just correct the white balance with raw. You really think the cameras white balance is going to do any better than your brain and eye? And then when it comes to video, I shoot in 5400k because I want the colors to affect the real like color ambiance of the scene. And then if you use VND, you’re pushing your colors all over the place.. lol people will go through all of this trouble to get “perfect white balance” just to throw a VND that’s going to use physics to shift all of that natural light into different luminance and hue values. Point is, it doesn’t matter. Maybe more so for video, but 10bit you can push all over. But for photos in raw…. 1000% doesn’t matter.

@PissTakeProduction

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@@cammackey Cheers I'll stop being lazy and set the WB. Good Tip.

Can't wait to see fx6 review

i'm doing the switch right now, love the Sony low light capabilities.

I actually run it without the stock handle and use my NinjaV or Shogun for audio recording.

Also praying that the A7S4 will have anamorphic mode and open gate.

Fellow documentary filmmaker. I rock fx6 and a7s3. You made the right choice. It's just a tool and currently offers the best for what we do.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Thank you man! How’s the a7s3 fit in? I’m assuming you use it as a b cam? The a7rv color matches well with the fx6. But still might a fx3 as a b cam/KZread camera

@thesamuelnam

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@cammackey I use a7s3 for youtube mainly and bcam for client work. The colours don't match as well as people think. I also use a7s3 for social photos, family photos etc. Love only having 12 mega pixels. I also have an a7r3 for client photography.

i remember we talked about it 2-3 years ago... you need time to adapt when you switch from a brand to another, but Sony's colors science are as good as Canon. I also love no matter the cam price, they will give you every option possible whitout compromise

@TheBadboubou

Жыл бұрын

@@martiniustollin i tried to switch to the GH5 once...got many problems with it..sold it and never look back.. :/ ( pretty sure Panasonic do great cam, it was just not for me.

Amazing video! Been watching since the Fujifilm XT3 days and it's amazing to watch your journey!

a7rV has quite horrible rolling shutter, try a1 - 50mgpx and great rolling shutter in 8k

Thanks for sharing.

I am not ditching Canon, but I wanted a Tamron 35-150mm F2-2.8 lens, so I now have a Sony 7A IV and a couple of lens. Many of my newer Canon EF lenses work perfectly on my Sony via the Artisan EF/EFS to Sony E adapter. . My older EF Lens just loose auto focuses but is fine in manual focus.

The new look is good!

FX6 is a beast! Best cine cam rn

what you said about sending film in to be developed in a lab is why I always roll my eyes at people who over fantasies film and insist film is always better. Film needs to be developed it doesn't come out of the camera ready to be shown on a projector. I see Color grading just the digital version of developing the film.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

Same. I find it funny that most people like the “film look” that comes from cheap stocks and Walgreens 1 hour photo development and scans. Like that’s what the kids these days think is good film colors haha.

Great points.

I also believe the color science SOOC jpeg with the A7RV is really good.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

I really dig the saturation coming off of it!