Cannon Fodder | BA-64 in North Korean Service

After the birth of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) on September 8th, 1948, the Soviet Union, which supported the small communist nation on the Korean peninsula, began to provide several thousand military vehicles to form the Korean People's Army - Ground Force (KPA-GF). Among these vehicles, there were some BA-64 light armored reconnaissance all drive armored cars. These had proven themselves during the Second World War when used appropriately.
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  • @Pratt_
    @Pratt_2 жыл бұрын

    A BA-64 destroyed by the 90mm AP shell of a M26 Pershing, oof.

  • @Chilly_Billy

    @Chilly_Billy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Like a knife through wet tissue paper.

  • @athiftsabit1208

    @athiftsabit1208

    2 жыл бұрын

    The pershing killed a child

  • @sternencolonel7328

    @sternencolonel7328

    2 жыл бұрын

    take this you nasty go-cart

  • @rossdavies8250

    @rossdavies8250

    2 жыл бұрын

    A good descriptor of overkill

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am guessing they had trouble identifying the vehicle (particularly afterwards).

  • @rogerpennel1798
    @rogerpennel17982 жыл бұрын

    The BA-64 was basically an armored jeep. It was underpowered, top heavy, and the suspension was over burdened in off road conditions. Russian success with the BA-64 is partly due to them not facing recoilless and rocket launchers until later in the second world war. They probably also used it correctly as a scout vehicle and for convoy protection instead of as an armored car for infantry support. The North Korean's probably used it incorrectly because they lacked alternatives and they didn't understand that they would be facing an enemy armed with large numbers of recoilless rifles and rocket launchers. While the UN forces used recoilless rifles and rocket launchers in large numbers because they lacked the supply infrastructure to support tanks and anti-tank guns. Recoilless rifles and rocket launchers were cheap and easy to supply to UN troops and were valuable in stopping North Korean and Chinese armor in mountainous terrain that restricted their ability to maneuver.

  • @Paciat

    @Paciat

    2 жыл бұрын

    BA-64 was designed after Soviets saw how effective German armored cars and light tanks were and as a response to it. It was a cheaper version of Sdkfz 221. And you dont need recoilless guns or rocket launchers to destroy that. AT rifles were far better at that. Soviets didnt mass produce PTRS before the war because they expected German armor to be thicker. Also, earlier versions of bazookas did poorly in Korea because of how hard it was to hit its sloped armor at an right angle.

  • @RaeSyngKane

    @RaeSyngKane

    2 жыл бұрын

    Another note: The Soviet BA-64’s never had to face HMG’s either. With 4-15mm an M2 or 12.7mm would have no trouble with them.

  • @dabo5078

    @dabo5078

    2 жыл бұрын

    There were no Chinese armour, and UN forces did not stop them in the mountains. Quite the opposite in fact.

  • @rogerpennel1798

    @rogerpennel1798

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dabo5078 - Wrong! The Chinese and North Koreans had t-34/85 tanks, IS-2 tanks, and SU-76s.

  • @dabo5078

    @dabo5078

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rogerpennel1798 The Chinese didn't. Go ask any veteran of the Chinese spring offensive. None of them saw any Chinese tanks. Are you telling me you are somehow "right"? The Chinese beat the UN forces all the way to Seoul and beyond using light infantry. If the soviets were more willing to supply the Chinese army with trucks and tanks one could theorize that they might have pushed the UN forces off the peninsular all together. The only thing that prevented the Chinese from advancing was logistics problems.

  • @mr.factoid105
    @mr.factoid1052 жыл бұрын

    The North Koreans never truly take anything out of service (unless the scrap is used for economic stimulus), BA 64s are no doubt sitting is storage to be theoretically used if needed, the Russians do something similar with T55s and T64s. However, the ability of both governments to return such vehicles to operation is questionable.

  • @B52Stratofortress1

    @B52Stratofortress1

    2 жыл бұрын

    I will agree on the DPRK, but Russia would absolutely be able to recondition their reserve fleet. They originally built the vehicles and are familiar with them, and have the technical know-how and facilities to do the work. Russia sells a lot of older equipment to other countries, much likely comes from their own stocks. They also have been continually upgrading their old T-72s over the last decade. Edit: this comment was written before the war. It was not written to say that Russia should fix up it's old tanks for service in Ukraine, which would be a dumb idea! It was only to convey that Russia has the ability to reactivate it's reserve vehicles, which it has been doing for years for the purpose of selling them off to other countries. I'm getting pissed off at people replying and taking me out of context!

  • @prylosecorsomething3194

    @prylosecorsomething3194

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@B52Stratofortress1 the real question is whether or not it would be worth it for the Russians to rearm all those outdated armored vehicles

  • @B52Stratofortress1

    @B52Stratofortress1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@prylosecorsomething3194 My comment was actually written before the war... It aged badly.

  • @Vhalikuporamee447

    @Vhalikuporamee447

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@B52Stratofortress1 Hey, at least you know and admit it! Much better than many Russophiles I've seen claiming that Russia's brimming with tens of thousands of reserve tanks, ready to go whenever "the gloves come off" for the 43rd time...

  • @B52Stratofortress1

    @B52Stratofortress1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Vhalikuporamee447 They probably have em. But old 60's and 70's tanks aren't relevant on the battlefield today. They'd get blown up just the same as the modernized T-72s and T-90s are. Who knows what condition they're in after sitting so long too. Vehicles are made to be used. Sitting does them no favors. My comment was based on Russia having the technical knowledge to rebuild their older vehicles. Which they do have.

  • @Pratt_
    @Pratt_2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as always, good job to the team! Just a couple remarks if I may : - 3:09 The open top turret was probably more for reconnaissance purposes, but allowed firing the gun on a AA configuration. - 0:38 12:20 both of those otherwise great illustrations have a small error, the sight of the machine gun shouldn't stick out at all.

  • @mpcrauzer
    @mpcrauzer2 жыл бұрын

    I love armored cars, even with all tech and advances in the military field, a armored car in the right place can help change the wave of the battle giving information for HQ even with drones

  • @JMiskovsky

    @JMiskovsky

    2 жыл бұрын

    What is MRAP, for 100?

  • @mpcrauzer

    @mpcrauzer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JMiskovsky "Mine-resistant ambush protection"

  • @maxkronader5225
    @maxkronader52252 жыл бұрын

    3:30 Degyataryov model 27; informally known, due to the flat circular magazine on top of the receiver, as "Stalin's record player".

  • @sethmiller2532

    @sethmiller2532

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now I want to see an actual record player made to look like one.

  • @jamesedwardzerrudo4522

    @jamesedwardzerrudo4522

    2 жыл бұрын

    more like british cousin who come from soviet union

  • @stonedzone1480

    @stonedzone1480

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, the russian dinner plate

  • @unknowncommenter6698

    @unknowncommenter6698

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jamesedwardzerrudo4522 kek, we had some Lewis MGs left from Civil war. Watch the parade of 1942, there's something like a battalion armed with those.

  • @jchrystsheigh
    @jchrystsheigh2 жыл бұрын

    A great example of "use equipment for what it was designed to do"

  • @NukieDookie
    @NukieDookie2 жыл бұрын

    I find it incredibly amusing that a M26 Pershing absolutely leveled a BA-64

  • @istoppedcaring6209
    @istoppedcaring62092 жыл бұрын

    I always wondered why recoilless rifles fell out of favor, glad to see them coming back

  • @genericpersonx333

    @genericpersonx333

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, the Soviets kept theirs around for a long time, but the main complaint is the ammunition. The shells are more complicated to make because they have to have the special venting, they don't seal well because they are not solid metallic casings so they tend to degrade in storage, and they really don't work better than rockets or missiles for light antitank purposes. They also use an enormous amount of chemical propellants which are not always the most plentiful resources in wartime. If rifled, they are suboptimal for HEAT warheads without expensive counter-rotational tech included, and if smoothbore, they tend to be inaccurate at the longer ranges. Their main selling point in the 1940s and 1950s was that they were lighter than conventional antitank guns, but once it became clear that infantry guided antitank missiles could carry better warheads more accurately over greater distance for no more bulk, they were clearly obsolete as antitank weapons and still suboptimal as artillery in general. Doesn't make them useless, but for most militaries most of the time since the 1970s, they really don't find them the most useful either.

  • @rogerpennel1798

    @rogerpennel1798

    2 жыл бұрын

    Recoilless rifles and rocket launchers struggled to penetrate tanks tanks during the 60's. Guided missiles became favored for dealing with tanks during the 70's and 80's. The problem is guided missiles have become too expensive to use in anything other than an anti-tank role. Which necessitated the reintroduction of recoilless rifles to deal with enemy pillboxes. Also ATGMs don't work well in cold weather. So alpine, special forces, and arctic troops need recoilless instead.

  • @genericpersonx333

    @genericpersonx333

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rogerpennel1798 Very true, but unguided rockets are competitive for the role of lightweight payload delivery systems. Bazookas and RPGs have long been popular with infantry for engaging non-armored targets of all kinds. Rockets can be very cheap and tend to be more stable in long-term storage than the recoilless ammunition as well. Conversely, making a precise recoilless rifle is easier than making a precise unguided rocket, so it is all about the trade-offs and the specific concerns of the procuring military. I would definitely aim to have both systems in my military; Better to have a weapon and find it mostly redundant than not have a weapon when you really wish you did!

  • @Chilly_Billy

    @Chilly_Billy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@genericpersonx333, another point against the recoilless rifle is fragility of the ammo. Rounds are easily damaged to the point of being no longer usable.

  • @genericpersonx333

    @genericpersonx333

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Chilly_Billy Indeed! Thanks for emphasizing that. I had a lamp my Grandfather made from an American recoilless shell casing that had been bent badly by a falling crate. I thought it was a proper shell that someone had drilled a lot of decorative holes into, but nope, it was a 105mm recoilless casing that had to be junked for want of structural integrity.

  • @klokateer4372
    @klokateer43722 жыл бұрын

    hearing a calm voice explain details about the dp28 is relaxing for me

  • @derritter3873
    @derritter38732 жыл бұрын

    Interesting and excellently well made video. Also I love the background music. My nostalgia kicked in after realizing what it was.

  • @joeperson4792
    @joeperson47922 жыл бұрын

    The BA-64 was also used during the Vietnam war. I remember seeing one on a travel documentary fitted with an anti- mine magnetic device that was supposed to explode fake US tree bombs on the Ho Chi Mihn trail. The guide also said it supposedly made you sterile from the strong electro -magnetic field.

  • @unknowncommenter6698

    @unknowncommenter6698

    2 жыл бұрын

    BA-64 made you sterile?!

  • @joeperson4792

    @joeperson4792

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@unknowncommenter6698 Nah, probably agent orange.

  • @stevehall8680
    @stevehall86808 ай бұрын

    718 was kept at the Conneticutt Armor Museum in Danbury but since has gone somewhere else. I actually was able to examine it and take measurements and my brother and I build a working replica on an M38 jeep chassis for reenacting on the west coast.

  • @paulsoda8093
    @paulsoda80932 жыл бұрын

    Very knowledgeable and informative video. Thankyou !

  • @borisbadinov7757
    @borisbadinov77572 жыл бұрын

    good work, thank you.

  • @gustavvonstal6073
    @gustavvonstal60732 жыл бұрын

    Good to hear your narration again soso.

  • @ThroneOfBhaal

    @ThroneOfBhaal

    2 жыл бұрын

    He and Stan are awesome :D

  • @gustavvonstal6073

    @gustavvonstal6073

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ThroneOfBhaal I was disappointed that they thought their English wasn't good enough and were looking for someone else because stan and soso had been here since the start

  • @ThroneOfBhaal

    @ThroneOfBhaal

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gustavvonstal6073 But their English is great! Hell it's better than mine in some cases and I'm a native. :P Besides, the accent is pleasing to listen to, as is the obvious dedication to the topic! :)

  • @randomlyentertaining8287
    @randomlyentertaining82872 жыл бұрын

    A Pershing took a shot at a BA-64? Christ, talk about overkill XD

  • @decimated550

    @decimated550

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even though the engagement was won we lost some money in the process

  • @ZayP730

    @ZayP730

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@decimated550 basically war

  • @williamlydon2554
    @williamlydon25542 жыл бұрын

    Very little on the KPA is available, so this was a real treat for anyone curious about their operations.

  • @raulmccabe4807
    @raulmccabe48072 жыл бұрын

    is it me or do i hear Minecraft music in the background

  • @hfdgamingftw3615

    @hfdgamingftw3615

    2 жыл бұрын

    BRO I REALISED THAT RIGHT AWAY TOO

  • @eduardotrillaud696

    @eduardotrillaud696

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha I did too, so I looked if someone did it also. Glad to see it happened to others

  • @SlapStyleAnims

    @SlapStyleAnims

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I noticed that

  • @JohnWayneCheeseburger
    @JohnWayneCheeseburger2 жыл бұрын

    By late war German infantry squads operated with anti tank wepons notably panzershrek and the small panzerfaust.

  • @ironwolfF1
    @ironwolfF12 жыл бұрын

    Used correctly, it was probably a fairly sneaky recon vehicle...with the right amount of camo, it would look like a large bush.

  • @RandomGuy9

    @RandomGuy9

    2 жыл бұрын

    And also offers the same protection as one.

  • @ImperatorArantau

    @ImperatorArantau

    Жыл бұрын

    @Random Guy as a bush or an armored vehicle?

  • @jerryjeromehawkins1712
    @jerryjeromehawkins17122 жыл бұрын

    Based on a captured German armored car... yes, that's definitely very evident. That's exactly what I thought the first time I saw one.

  • @AurimasBaublys
    @AurimasBaublys2 жыл бұрын

    love the minecraft music lol

  • @desertsentinel7117
    @desertsentinel71172 жыл бұрын

    Have sat inside one of the captured BA64B from Korea. In fact it is the one pictured at 9:00.

  • @desertsentinel7117

    @desertsentinel7117

    2 жыл бұрын

    718 last I checked is with the Museum of American Armor in NY.

  • @american_rider6596
    @american_rider65962 жыл бұрын

    anyone notice the minecraft like music in the background or am i just tripping

  • @patriotenfield3276
    @patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын

    Arigato Gozaimasu.

  • @user-ir2fu4cx6p
    @user-ir2fu4cx6p2 жыл бұрын

    6:00 zooming to what's already low quality image didn't show that well inside YT video

  • @patriotenfield3276
    @patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын

    No Dshk in BA-64?

  • @Mrcantfapenough

    @Mrcantfapenough

    2 жыл бұрын

    BA-64D

  • @genericpersonx333

    @genericpersonx333

    2 жыл бұрын

    11:03

  • @missionslos8856
    @missionslos88562 жыл бұрын

    That minecraft music in the background hahaha

  • @w0lfgm
    @w0lfgm2 жыл бұрын

    Hope for T-44 video

  • @chaosXP3RT
    @chaosXP3RT2 жыл бұрын

    9:26 That's just unnecessary bullying! Jesus. Like trying to open a soup can with a hand grenade!

  • @YYAT
    @YYAT2 жыл бұрын

    Just yesterday I saw some photos of a parade in North Korea. the gap between north and south is noticeable

  • @RepublicanGuardMan

    @RepublicanGuardMan

    Жыл бұрын

    I just really want to see a K2 black panther just get to work on north korean MBTs

  • @Rssika

    @Rssika

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@RepublicanGuardManThey'd get punctured by Bulsae-5 atgms, SK military knows K2 armor is too weak to stop them. Guess what? Even older Chonma-216 has Bulsae-5 racks.

  • @shadowdeslaar
    @shadowdeslaar8 ай бұрын

    War Thunder needs to Do a Overhaul adding many early War Vehicles. Like before WW1 aswell. Why? Cause they can do that. And we would enjoy the Simulation. Especially if they just did it right. Not for money.

  • @INSANESUICIDE
    @INSANESUICIDE2 жыл бұрын

    Against infantry or for scouting purpose it could probably still have some use, but damn me if I were caught in one in a war zone voluntarily. As much as I like armor I also would never want to crew the shit storm magnet vehicles are, much better and safer as a low priority infantryman if you ask me. Sure infantry isn't without its drawbacks but hey.. At least I would not be a priority target.

  • @dark7element

    @dark7element

    2 жыл бұрын

    In the 21st century, no, it couldn't still have some use. A vehicle like this is nothing but a death-trap. You are FAR safer advancing on foot than in a shitbox like this that was already obsolete in 1942.

  • @stefanspett7790

    @stefanspett7790

    11 ай бұрын

    Meant for unobtrusive scouting and nothing else. Replaced motorbikes. Keep so small the bazookas can´t hit it.

  • @alsadiyarto
    @alsadiyarto2 жыл бұрын

    The narator accent kinda makes me wonder...is the narator Indonesian, if I may ask?

  • @lightbenderga2017
    @lightbenderga20172 жыл бұрын

    The Minecraft background music really makes this video.

  • @capitanulcacaoernesto8215
    @capitanulcacaoernesto82152 жыл бұрын

    oooooo yaaaaaaa minecraft music at 7:00

  • @CCIO855
    @CCIO8552 жыл бұрын

    Minecraft music in the background or am I going crazy

  • @biohazard0482

    @biohazard0482

    2 жыл бұрын

    I hear Minecraft music too lol

  • @sex_man_3788
    @sex_man_3788 Жыл бұрын

    I can't help but listen to the Minecraft music in the background, it's such an odd but surprisingly pleasant choice of background music for the video.

  • @wolfganggugelweith8760
    @wolfganggugelweith87602 жыл бұрын

    👍😎

  • @sternencolonel7328
    @sternencolonel73282 жыл бұрын

    probably still in reserve service in north korea

  • @Darth_Barnaby
    @Darth_Barnaby Жыл бұрын

    When you realize what they used for background music

  • @humbugshytter7737
    @humbugshytter77372 жыл бұрын

    This is a great video but I'm really fixated on the background music and the places I've heard it, if anyone knows the name or other uses lmk

  • @TanksEncyclopediaYT

    @TanksEncyclopediaYT

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's the Minecraft OST!

  • @humbugshytter7737

    @humbugshytter7737

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TanksEncyclopediaYT Hey thanks for responding no wonder it sounded so familiar, great content keep it up btw!

  • @Ironchad1
    @Ironchad19 ай бұрын

    Minecraft music in the back is peak

  • @jacktmyt378
    @jacktmyt3782 жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @javert4608
    @javert46082 жыл бұрын

    IS THAT MINECRAFT MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND?!?

  • @lifeafterdeath4179
    @lifeafterdeath4179 Жыл бұрын

    Do i hear Minecraft?

  • @Shibe_X
    @Shibe_X2 жыл бұрын

    Didn't take me long to realize he's using Minecraft music in the background 🤣

  • @Adrian-ho3rz
    @Adrian-ho3rz2 жыл бұрын

    Dude playing minecraft music

  • @excalibruh1380
    @excalibruh13802 жыл бұрын

    why do i hear minecraft music...

  • @valentindelasierra7517
    @valentindelasierra7517 Жыл бұрын

    The side img looks like the French armored car lmao

  • @news_internationale2035
    @news_internationale20352 жыл бұрын

    War Thunder still doesn't have this...

  • @Shibe_X

    @Shibe_X

    2 жыл бұрын

    ahhh yes, lets put an armored car only armed with a 7.62 machine gun against tanks with cannons 👍

  • @news_internationale2035

    @news_internationale2035

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Shibe_X Could work at 1. something.

  • @Hiro04
    @Hiro042 жыл бұрын

    Is that minecraft music in the background

  • @TanksEncyclopediaYT

    @TanksEncyclopediaYT

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @hoesandhose

    @hoesandhose

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TanksEncyclopediaYT based

  • @superbatzbatazr7723
    @superbatzbatazr77236 ай бұрын

    Minecraft music really

  • @matovicmmilan
    @matovicmmilan Жыл бұрын

    Look, if you don't want to say precisely: "the American & pro-American troops", at least say "the so called UN troops" when referring to them!

  • @dannywaller4397
    @dannywaller43978 ай бұрын

    Great leader 😂😂

  • @thiscouldntblowmore
    @thiscouldntblowmore2 жыл бұрын

    Korean war literally was fought with world war 2 weapons, other than in air. So what are you one about?

  • @RandomGuy9
    @RandomGuy92 жыл бұрын

    Next month these will be seen used by the Russians in Ukraine.