CORRECTION : they were CITED 24 times. The actual number of times they didn't do their job is going to be much higher.

@wobblysauce

2 ай бұрын

Yep, 24 times for paper work to be completed... not gah again.

@ChromeArty

2 ай бұрын

Once every two fuckin weeks! Truly amazing.

@TimNorris2001

2 ай бұрын

​@@ChromeArtyYou are wrong that is 24 times over snow fall season. Canada doesn't have snowfall over the entire year. It is more like 3 times a week over a 2 week period. That would be for 24 reported incidents over about 1/3rd the year or 4 months.

Ah, outsourcing a mission critical task and then not GAF when it inevitably backfires, the most government thing imaginable.

@laurensnieuwland4657

2 ай бұрын

The joys of a liberal capitalist society. Don't forget the government having to set up a new department again for billions because they eventually find out that their outsourcing plan didn't work.

@butwhytharum

2 ай бұрын

But don't let Edison motors tell you the government was the one who fucked up but the private company who got paid 2 maybe 3 times over.

@Woodie-xq1ew

2 ай бұрын

their new, totally not free, holiday home on the costa del sol makes it easy to not give a shit

@tbyrn444

Ай бұрын

@@laurensnieuwland4657 Actually an NDP government which is in league with the Lieberal partners.

@laurensnieuwland4657

Ай бұрын

@@tbyrn444 Still liberal right?

May be safe to assume that those 24 were racked during the winter months, not the whole year. And don't say they don't know how to remove snow. They know but they don't care because doing their job properly hurts profits. The government also needs to be held accountable for not enforcing the contract.

@FoundingFather74

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Have to stop the source of the problem

i had corprate penny counters push me out of a nursing home i had snow plowed for over 20 years, they found a "cheaper" option. first storm they had a tractor trailer slide down their driveway and jack-knife preventing ambulances from taking people to doctors appointments, as well as a couple of slip and falls from nusring staff

Join the club. It’s the same in the Netherlands, no politician has ever understood the concept of leakage from the economy. They only look at the bill they get at the end. And they get promoted when it’s lower than expected.

In one of the mildest, tamest winters in memory to top it off.

I am sure it has nothing to do with a politician getting a kickback from awarding the contract.

In my region ledcor got the contract. All employees got a wage cut. In a time of hyperinflation governments are giving contacts to companies and the companies get major profits and employees are getting the shaft.

AGREE! GOOD JOB! Send that to BCTV!

Hiring a Euro Spanish-based company to plow snow out of Canadian roads?? Gimmie a break 😠 who came up with that shitty idea?!

@VTX00128

2 ай бұрын

Probably a American Capitalist.

@jdgvee9313

2 ай бұрын

Starts with a T and rhymes with poo

@antoniocampos5638

2 ай бұрын

​@VTX00128 *an American Capitalist? That would make sense how? Some CANADIAN at some Government level chose the Spanish company. It has nothing to do with anyone in the US, even less a Capitalist from the US. A Capitalist would know that non-compliances will tarnish the company and devalue it as a service provider or even as a stock if publicly listed in the market, making it less likely to generate more Capital. An American would likely know that the Canadian Winter isn't something you mess with, buying single axle baby trucks to plow and dump.

@casey5165

2 ай бұрын

Penny pinchers from the BC government who are hired to save as much money as possible so politicians can line their pockets with any leftover. It's been like that for a long time. A large part of our government services is a make work project for the incompetent friends of politicians. Follow the money. The kickbacks are hidden in business deals. As much as I love the hate for trudont, this has nothing to do with him. He's a symptom of the disease just like peter poverty, and bagmeet stink.The system that made it possible for him to be the way he is has been carefully groomed to this point over decades. It was a problem when I was a kid in the 80s, and it wasn't new then either. It just wasn't as organized as it is now.

@michaelschreiner95

2 ай бұрын

Im sure someone is getting a kickback from the spanish company for choosing them.

Makes perfect sense, have a company based in a hot climate that's never had real snow do all the plowing, fantastic!

@lornedaignault7770

2 ай бұрын

The work that needs to be done is still with local workers. It is upper management that is screwing things up. They play dirty and will screw anybody that stands in their way.

@MisterMick113

Ай бұрын

​@@lornedaignault7770that doesn't change the fact that the people making decisions likely haven't even seen snow, much less know the first thing about shoveling it or driving in it. Seems counterproductive to outsource your decision making to another country

I think the real question should be why is the Spanish company moving snow in Canada to begin with?

@brianwelch1579

2 ай бұрын

They said they could do it cheaper, and the government process is that they take the lowest bid, right? It's not really fair to blame the government for doing what they were required (by process) to do.

@coyjin

2 ай бұрын

Aim Roads, the company providing the service, probably started out as a local company but was bought out by Acciona. Aims trucks are most likely driven managed and maintained by Canadians so technically they are still a local business. The person in charge of giving out the contracts probably didn't think of the consequences of hiring a local business with a foreign parent company.

Makes perfect sense Chase. But interests are at play. They under bid the locals and politics came into play here. Just watch your back brother. Those bastards play dirty.

@VTX00128

2 ай бұрын

I second that of watching your back Chase. I mean look They play dirty to make unfortunate "accidents" occur and no one would know what really happened.

Rich folks need to get their claws into everything. Who cares if the "services" they're providing are failing miserably? They can just shut down the company and walk away with those sweet sweet foreign taxpayer dollars. ABSURD.

Great job looking up the facts. The only way to effect real change is to know the details and press the issue.

Time for EHM Edison Highway Maintenance

Sheesh, when i plowed 20 years ago, ohio usa, we never got cited. We were told sometimes to load salt, pretrip, but dont go out till 330, so you get overtime 😮 dont miss them days

24 times they put untold lives in jeopardy or ended lives. We have a governor in Alaska mismanaging resources restricting snow removal to “prevent over time” because I guess he feels he’ll bring Mother Nature to the bargaining table and she’ll start scheduling precipitation.

Ah yes, but, you're forgetting the kickbacks! For real, heads should roll over this

Up here in Kitimat BC the snow removal is done by the District Of Kitimat, and they do an amazing job constantly running plows, sanding trucks, and big snowblowers, it's a night and day difference in the conditions of the road when you go from Kitimat to Terrace during a snow storm.

Chase your damn right The right tools for the right job Even New englanders down here understand that. It's the damn bean counters will do anything to cut corners on cost of operations at the expense of able to do the job right.

Look where's the money going, a politician is getting paid

Having his hands tied by shitty management and corporate policies is why my dad quit working for our local highway maintenance company in the winters

Main roads works just like this company. I know some of their operators here and they have confirmed what I had seen. They only sand corners and bridges. And they are told sand and salt are expensive only do corners and bridges.

@MAGLtd-hh3ct

2 ай бұрын

🤔but isn’t Mainroad a BC company?

Remember that bean counters get huge bonuses making sure that plows and salt truck drivers can’t do their jobs properly.

OOO that must've hurt 😂 Emotional damage! 👌🏽🤣👍🏽

I live in an area maintained by Dawson road ( formally interior road) in BC they wait till there is an accident then they go sand that area,

A service to the public shouldn't be privatized. I'm anti-government until it comes to maintaining public spaces. Gotta hold them accountable.

@ericcrockett6396

2 ай бұрын

Here in my state of West Virginia all Highway Maintenance of both summertime maintenance in winter snow removal are all done by the government Department of highways. For the last 20 years or so it's steadily gotten worse as far as the quality of snow removal and the quality of summertime Highway Maintenance especially Highway Maintenance. There is no accountability if the department of highways does a crappy job at cleaning ditch lines or mowing brush or Paving / filling potholes if they turn potholes in the speed bumps oh well you're just stuck with it and there is no accountability. Just like if you have these big companies that are getting government contracts there's no accountability if they are doing the work either so no matter what we either get screwed because the government-run department of highways takes forever to do a job and it may or may not get done correctly or you can have the private contractor who does it quicker but in usually a poorer fashion

@3sparewashers-lg3gf

2 ай бұрын

My towns department pulls a lot of unpaid overtime plowing the roads, usually pulling all nighters. Those guys are great.

I recall when snow removal was privatized to start with in BC, prior to that BC had the best best snow removal crews in the country and it has progressively went downhill since then.

I remember a time when snow removal was under the highway ministry. This is the result of the Regan /Mulroney/Thatcher era selling off all the services that should be controlled by the government. Private/Public partnerships are good for business but bad for the citizens.

so MTO wants to safety check my truck to drive on their poorly maintained roads have I got that right??

I’ve been snow plowing since 2002 and it’s not a jump in and plow type of job it takes years of experience. One wrong move and it can cost millions or a lives.

Yeah I agree. It should be Canadians who should be clearing the roads with proper equipment. The roads should not be cleared by outsource ppl who don’t live here.

All deliberate. About time we allocate contracts to those qualified rather than cheapest.

The government is where these problem come from. They put it out for bid and the cheapest bid gets the contract. I live in central Alberta and our local Hyway maintentance company 10 years ago was local group. Then they put up it up for bid and the local lost out by a large dollar amount. At first the new company seemed ok but by the end of the first year I was evident that they cut every corner they could. People complained up and down the wasu. then after 5 years the contract came up for bid again and the government gave it back to the same company again because they bid it even lower then 5 years before. Well our local hyway is in the poorest shape it's been in my life. So if you call in to complain about anything about the road your call gets redirected to a call centre in the lower Frazer Valley.

That's kinda correct but when the government had snow plows they had single axle trucks they where out no matter what when they privatized the highways everything went for shit private enterprise works for profit only when ministry of highways it was essential service even if they sat on side of road till weather change they were out privatization on highways dont work

Likely the money the Spanish snowplow company saved from not fullfilling their contractual obligations properly was shared with Victoria decision makers, under the table.

Well said bro !

Why isn't the government doing it themselves? My state (borders BC to the south) highway department does the state and local highways with state resources and they generally do a pretty darn good job plowing. If it snows overnight, often by the time i leave for work at 7 am the main roads are all plowed

@Kishanth.J

2 ай бұрын

Same thing in Ontario, the province is in charge of snow removal and they do a pretty good job.

aim also owns most scrap yard in canada they are driving the prices of used parts way up

And in New Brunswick we have a company from Papa New Guine.

and then..... all the damn potholes in the Highways!!

A British company contracted with Government of Ontario, got paid up front, filed bankruptcy, and left local communities to redirect their limited resources. Shameful practice that has traction in government procurement

I love how when you sense doubt or lack of info for your comment you are willing to go back, do research, and are willing to change your comment or opinion if you’re wrong! Too bad you were right!

I moved to the Okanagan in 2014 from the island, I've lived all over so I know how to drive in the snow but my wife was always an island girl. She was slightly paranoid about the idea of driving in the snow but after seeing how well the snow was cleared here she had no problems, 2015, 2' of snow overnight.... no problems...2016 1 week of hard blowing snow.....no problem, 2017 6' of snow lightly falling.... total shit show and it just got worse from there. The plow drivers keep their blades up 1" so they don't unduly wear them down and cost more money so after a few months the roads are packed ice and then when it starts to warm up during the day it freezes over turning the roads into a skating rink. 2 years ago I swear they were plowing the roads with a Zamboni it was so slick for 4 weeks because we got a sudden -20C period after a mild break. They don't even sand the entire highway, only short stretches by stop lights after a bunch of fender benders becasue people cant stop, and that's with a lot of people here running studded winters and pretty much everyone has winter tires and 4x4.... AIM is fuckin useless.

@deadon4847

2 ай бұрын

It wasn't the drivers keeping the plows up, AIM had the cutting edges installed backwards that causes the plow to rise up leaving a 1 inch layer on the roads that turn to ice.

I have some firsthand experience also in this. While you're not wrong, you're also not completely right. Most of the operators and on road managers tend to stay in the area, just change employers when/if the contract changes hands. Look at when VSA lost the Coq several years back. All the equipment rebranded YRB and well over 75%retained their same operators. I agree tho to follow the money. MOTHI does closely monitor the performance of the hwys contractors

In British Columbia, Argo sand truck drivers get in trouble for putting too much sound down

Same thing happen on pei we were kicked off the road because they didn't like our old equipment and the guys are warned not to drop there blades and whare them out but to just dump loads of imported sand they don't have to pay for

Unless there is no alternative, all infrastructure contract and maintenance should be performed by bonded Canadian contractors. But its the Government we are talking about here and the Government only looks at the bottom line and ignores the possible pitfalls. In the cases where out of country contractors must be hired, they should be required to prove their abilities prior to contract award and carry a performance bond for the entire time they are under contract.

Oh where they chatting with the city of Calgary. Bought new trucks only problem was as soon as they attached the spreader and plough the vehicle was over weight.

Canada needs Someone Like You as Prime Minister.

No, don’t blame the Spanish owned company. Blame the Canadian government. That hired them in the first place.

@asherdie

2 ай бұрын

Blame the Canadian people for putting up with their government.

@pendlera2959

2 ай бұрын

You can blame more than one thing at a time. Lack of integrity in the company (and possibly bad-faith bidding on the contract, if they knew they couldn't meet the terms) is part of why this is going on.

@alvindueck2104

2 ай бұрын

Bit also blame the Spanish. Figure out a reason why. And hld them accountable for the dangerous roads they don't drive on but we have to.

@mikes2381

Ай бұрын

¿Por que no los dos?

What about the BC government hiring a company that bid less and not upholding the terms

It's not about them not knowing how to remove snow. That company needs to maximize the profit on their low ball bid. And I'm hoping it was a low ball bid, because if the bid was equal or more thane a local company, then we all know who would have gotten a kickback for approval.

It only snowed 26 times this year.

The contract should be a one year renewable contract based on performance.

Its for kickbacks.

@perrylc8812

2 ай бұрын

You beat me to it.

@TSRGarage

2 ай бұрын

👍true. I just posted "10% for the big guy" best way to keep a contact

Well you need to check which politicians invested in Aim just before they gave AIM the contract. Will tell you why they were chosen

Greed is why they won't be fired. Let's say that the cheapest Canadian company says they'll do it for $10 and they have 59 years exp. The Spanish comps they'll do it for $9 and they'll kick back $2 to the person who contracts them. But they have 0 years exp. The person setting up the contract goes and tells everyone LOOK I SAVED A DOLLAR. And unfortunately that dollar saved is more important than the job being done well.

♥️

It’s the same in the USA,every state,

Blame the people who awarded the contract and fire them.

A Spanish snow removal service makes as much sense as tiki island resort in the UP thats only open in winter.

I agree wholeheartedly,, but by those standards,, our pm needs the boot 1st, then these snow guys,, lol all things considered

Are there even any Canadian companies trying for the bid??

@gabrielqitsualik6885

2 ай бұрын

Several Canadian companies did have a bid

@red---paulvanravenswaay2247

2 ай бұрын

@@gabrielqitsualik6885 I see, yeah, then something is screwy🤪 As my good friend used to say " When things don't make sense, there's usually a reason, and it's usually NOT A GOOD ONE!!!

Edison motors figures out its living in The Ozarks

This is another thing I hear and think why is this being contracted? If you pay taxes to a government than that government needs to take the responsibility to do the work.

as I said in the other one: why are they hiring private companies in the first place? hire the drivers directly, and buy the equipment directly. you'll pay the drivers a little bit more, sure, but you won't be paying for 5 levels of skim.

Where. Was. This. Taken

🙂

Chase I agree but don't blame the low bid company the Ministry of Highways awarded the contract and failed to terminate it for noncompliance

rember when it goes to privite under free trade act you cant go back to gov .run

An example of the shit snow removal is the highway from Hythe Alberta to Dawson creek BC. The second you cross the border in to BC you go from clean safe roads to some of the dog shit roads ive ever driven and the change is instant.

In Penticton, AIM has one ton pickup trucks with snow plows designed for shoveling parking lots that they use on the regional district roads. It's an absolute pathetic company.

The govt aka the politicians got something for letting aim have and keep that contract

Your government definitely doesn’t care about the everyday person. The laws around lockdown should have proved that

The problem isn’t the company but the lack of accountability in their contract. Somehow they still make money when not doing the job.

We can all thank Bill Vander Zalm for making a mess of British Columbia

Sooooo which government went "awww this is the cheapest and makes me look f'ing amazing to the public "saving money" " and meanwhile the taxpayer pays twice when the company at hand has to redo their work.... And yes I understand it snows multiple times a year in Canada. Sometimes multiple times a week. But when it doesn't snow for a month and have to redo the work...

Something as essential as snow clearing need to be taken seriously...

Wouldn't be surprised if this company is somehow tied to the person deciding who gets the government contract.

You know this must have something to do with marvel, because in the marvel comics there is a fictional company called AIM and they are a secret criminal organisation...🤔

Easy,. Easy, take it easy Hoping it's just a mom thing but you are already stepping on big toes. Love what you are doing and what you are saying but that "mom" bell is ringing.

I think blaming the Spanish company is one thing. However it is ultimately the British Columbia NDP government that is ultimately responsible for hiring the company. And who is responsible for hiring the NDP government? That’s right! The voters of British Columbia. With much of their voting power coming from the lower mainland and Vancouver Island. So ultimately it it the voters of BC that must be held accountable for the hiring of AIM.

Time to fire all that were responsible for giving that contract to an out of province company.

Live in chase BC , they absolutely suck . Out road is so terrible. You know what AIM stands for ? AFTER IT MELTS !!!

Probably a dumb question, but why dont your municipalities/counties (not sure exactly the structure up there) take on the plowing? In michigan, every county (to my knowledge) has their own road commission funded by the state that takes care of the state owned roads

@red---paulvanravenswaay2247

2 ай бұрын

Being a Michigan truck driver myself, I am certainly under the impression that Michigan spends the BUCKS to keep their roads clear. I'm very thankful. When you're up in a semi truck, a plowed and salted road feels a whole lot better than a neglected one😊😊😊 Yeah, MI has to because they are moving autos and their parts all over the place every damn day, ask me how I know!!!!!!!!! Thousands of people's jobs depends on those clear roads😮

@ilenastarbreeze4978

2 ай бұрын

They used to but then the liberal government i think ( our conservatives) sold tons of gov owned bus8nesses to outside companies and now we get shittier service

@BuddyDarDarTV

2 ай бұрын

He's talking about provincially managed highways, local roads here are maintained by the relevant municipality.

@collinschaafsma5701

2 ай бұрын

@BuddyDarDarTV we have counties that take care of our local roads, but we have MDOT (michigan department of transportation) for all state and federal highways in michigan, even on the more remote highways in the upper peninsula.

@collinschaafsma5701

2 ай бұрын

@red---paulvanravenswaay2247 I mean, yes snow removal is expensive, but at least it's all local. If they don't do their job, I know exactly where to go to make a complaint.

I believe, Canada would be better off AIMLESS.

PFFT alberta has been outsourcing for over 30 years and it is WAY better than the Alberta Transportation ever did..

Privatization of the road maintenance in bc was just a bad idea. Private company’s wanna keep as much in there pockets as possible so there will always be a bare minimum mentality

Privatization is evil. Cost doubles to quadrupled, service drops.

if i showed up those 28 days id be surprised to get any discipline besides a talking to from managers…… but im not a multi million dollar and international business……

Not really fair in this post either - the government usually uses a BID process for contracts... I'm sure these AIM guys were the lowest bid. So they get the contract. There is not likely a function where the govt rep can call BS on a bid that is obviously too low, or obviously incapable of performing the work.

Thank Justin

@casey5165

2 ай бұрын

It's a decades long issue. The guy you hate is a symptom of the system not the cause. Besides, that particular stain doesn't have anything to do with BC snow removal, that's BC politicians and their incompetent friends. Spread the hate around a bit. The guy you hate on is a pimple. Canada has aggressive scaring acne. We need to treat the condition not an inconsequential symptom.

The job went to the lowest bidder and now that lowest bidder is paying back the government... Of course they're not going to get kicked out right away

You can't say VSA did any better job. Git offered a job there, four on four off and stay at the bunk house at Briton creek $24/hr (for the big boy plough) but only make 80% of that until reach certain number of hours, then you make the big 24 an hour. If you're driving a smaller plough then you get less per hour. Don't understand why a Spanish company is doing it though they don't get snow in Spain at all , anywhere.

Chace: (takes down AIM for not doing their job) Everyone: "You weren't fair to them, cite your sources, don't just be a Canadian nationalist about it!" Chace: "My bad, you're right, I'll do my research this time." *Destroys them even harder with facts to back it up*

The reason is some politician is getting their pockets lined with $$. Unfortunately that is how the political world rolls

Check to see if your politicians have stock in that company and you'll understand why.

Why ? "10% for the big guy" is the best way to keep the contract.......