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I just avoid E10 completely and fill up with premium E5 (or ethanol free at certain garages), I'd personally use the motomix to winterize but i find that it's not cost efficient to run constantly throughout the gardening season... But yeah, motomix is gonna win this one!

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback Jordan. Avoidance is the best course of action 👍🏼

I was talking to a petrol dealer and they were saying the fuel can be up to 2 weeks old before we get it so how does the 30 day rule stand.. I normally say if it looks like something you wee out then bin it ..

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

We always advise to buy it from a busy garage and defo not a slow turnover garage as that is asking for trouble. Mr Stihl says 30 days so 30 days it is 😂 It’s a bit like Motomix lasting 5 years, tbh it could well last longer, but they have to put a realistic time frame on it 👍🏼

In 6 months, the motomix saw will start as per normal and the e10, will probably, but run rough as old boots, I think. Iv used aspen for several years and machines can sit for months and start fine. Good video 👍

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

I think you’re bang on the money Jason! We used Aspen for years until Stihl and Husqvarna bought out their own 👍🏼

Aspen 2 and motomix are exactly the same. I had to retune all the carburetors when switching over to these products as the tools bogged down and would not rev. I recommend using e5 and oil mix during the seson then winterising with one of these premixes.

A good video.. I'm doing a very similar test at the moment on my channel.. E10 and ethanol free in two mowers being stored over the winter.. looking forward to the results..

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Really looking forward to the results 👍🏼

I have ms170 it runs on e10 e15 e20 e30 and e85 with amsoil saber and has E3 spark plug. Its been 8 years scene i had it . and it still runs great.

You’ve certainly made me think about things. Just counted up how many petrol driven machines I have that sit for long periods, 5. Time to remove the ethanol from fuel and buy some premixed fuel.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it’s been helpful Al 👍🏼

@almclean4835

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation I’ve watched Micks video too so between the two, I’m ready for E10

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@almclean4835 good man 🤩 can’t wait for the results on both 🤩

@almclean4835

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation your doing the tests😁 Hope you started them 5 1/2 months ago, I need results😁

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@almclean4835 I wish I did 😂😂

This is the hot subject in my landscaping company, thanks guys

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

We’re not looking forward to next spring when everyone’s mowers won’t start 🤦🏻‍♂️

@samchurch4022

2 жыл бұрын

We will all look for compensation from you guys

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@samchurch4022 😂😂😂

Well done Ryan good bit of cutting,and it's been a great information video and look forward to the outcome

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nev 👍🏼 we can’t wait to do the follow up video 🤩

As always a brilliant educational video . Thanks so much for posting these videos. Ive just been trying aspen 2 on my Husqvarna saw . Very much impressed with it. Great work as always 👏

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

It’s great stuff. Cheers Buddy 👍🏼

Congratulations electrical Ron. Great video guys, looking forward to the conclusion 👍🏻

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure I can wait 6 months… already counting down the days haha

Great info to know especially when there's lodes of videos saying E10 is no good to use and it has its better to separate it I'm assuming that the motomix can be used on all two stroke machines

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Edward, Yes Motomix can be used in all 2 strokes. We can’t say that E10 is ok to use in other brands and it has been causing issues. Motomix all the way 👍🏼

The law of averages would suggest the motomix so I’m certainly interested to see the outcome lads ! The more I watch your channel the more I’m getting “top gear” vibes . Great to watch & brilliant content. Well done all 👍🏻🔧

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Dick, we really appreciate your kind comments mate. Can not wait until the outcome 🤩

@ronniebarker79

Жыл бұрын

Top gear lol not just me then 😂 im interested in the motormix results aswell is it expensive

Absolutely awesomeness. Peace and love from Scotland stu and family

Hi Hayes Machinery Informative video the moto mix should be the better starter There's a lot of negatively around E10 Thanks

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Darren we appreciate your support 🤩

I'm in Malaysia.....There are only two types of petrol fuel here, RON95 and RON97.....If I use the RON97 petrol for my Stihl chainsaw, is it okay??? I mean I will mix the RON97 petrol with 2 stroke oil in 50:1

From my experience, any saw or small engine should never be stored longer than 30 days with 10% ethanol fuel. Nothing but problems with the carbs if stored longer. In my saw, I use non-ethanol gasoline bought at the pumps mixed 45:1 with stihl oil when doing a good amount of cutting (15-20 cords a year). After cleaning it to be put away for the winter, I drain the tank and run it dry, then put alkylate fuel (Stihl Motomix) in it, and run it again to get it through the system. My MS 261C (Mtronic) always starts within 3 pulls even after 6 months or more of sitting. So, in a nutshell, if you have a fuel station that sells NON ethanol gasoline, get that. It may be more expensive but it'll save you a lot of headaches in the long run and it's still cheaper than Motomix. From what I understand, ethanol is added to raise the octane rating on lower grade fuel.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Good advice Billy 👍🏼 here in the U.K. we unfortunately don’t get non ethanol pump fuel. Sounds like you have got it spot on 🤩

@billybobbocephus2177

2 жыл бұрын

@HayesMachinery , another option for you folks in the UK and elsewhere that don't have non ethanol gasoline and really want it would be to call the fuel supplier(s) at an airport nearby to see if they would sell 100 octane low lead (100LL) or equivalent. It may cost approximately 50% more than regular pump gas, but it doesn't contain ethanol if that's what someone really wants or needs. I do believe it still contains toluene and benzene (not good for diaphragms or gaskets though) , but it is a fuel that will last longer and not absorb moisture. I would still highly recommend storing for longer periods with motomix, but I wouldn't worry about having a saw sit for 3-6 months with avgas in it .

Nice video Hayes Machinery and congrats to you Electricalron!! :) MotoMix will start sooner after 6 months I bet.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers John. I hope so otherwise we maybe slightly red in the face 😂😂

@Big_Johns

2 жыл бұрын

I think you'll be safe, if not you can always do your next video with a paper bag over your head. :)

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea, we may get more view that way also haha

@Big_Johns

2 жыл бұрын

🤣👍🏼🤣 LoL, whatever!!! 🤣

Can petrol without ethanol added be bought at service station in England? I’m in Australia and try to buy petrol called 95 which does not have ethanol for my chainsaw. Also if the chainsaw is stored for a few months I usually run the chainsaw till the engine runs out of fuel so there is no fuel in the carburettor. Is this a good or bad thing to do.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Karl, we can buy E5 which is 5% ethanol over here. Running a chainsaw dry can cause the diaphragms in the carb to dry out. Ethanol free and starting regular is the way to go 👍🏼

Motor mix will start quicker. Congrats to electricalron. Looking forward to the outcome.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Neil 👍🏼

Great Video!

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Buddy 🤩

so long run. which should I go for

If stored in a container right up to the cap, no air in container, will the E10 last longer

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t risk it, E10 no matter how you look at it degrades quicker than other fuels.

Where’s the 6 month follow up? Can’t find t in your channel.

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

This is it! Don’t Do This To Your Chainsaw - E10 fuel test results after 6 months. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoihlLSfYcuYnMo.html

Even with multiple weapons of choice, fuel is never in a tool for more than a couple of weeks. E10 with a quality oil, works perfectly fine. Premix is still very expensive in comparison! For example, if I used premix in my HS45, it may extend the life of the machine for a couple of years, but for the extra cost of the fuel, I could buy another 3 HS45's in one year!

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

It’s a maxing how many machines are left for a while, even commercially. Things like rotavators, big saws, headetrimmers and then lawn mowers and strimmers and over winter.

Oooo nearly update time 😁

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

It is, we need to wipe the dust off this week 👍🏼

@Richard-tz2qf

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation looking forward to it 😁

so can i just add sea foam or stabil to my e10 fuel

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

Snake oil if you ask me. Can cause more issues in the long run

Bio Ethanol is very bad for engines. Use non ethanol 98 or higher mix it up 40:1. 25 ml Motul m800 off road 2stroke oil per 1 liter gasoline. Stihl premix is not good for the saw, cuzz is has 50:1 oil in it due emission laws. Too hot for the saw. And their stihl premix 2T fuel cost a fortune.

Good explanation

a great video thank you!

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Garrett 🤩

Guys how does that fuel or even stale fuel affect the fuel injected 500i model? Great video. 👍

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John, yes stale fuel will act the same in the fuel injection unit as it does carbs. Same rules apply for Motomix and E10 also. I hope this helps. Thank you for the support 😎

@6900pilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation honestly I don't believe that to be fair. I watched the video on E10 for stihl equipment and basically the m tronic carbs in stihl can handle it. I think the 500i is more advanced than this and can adjust with the computer.. not that I'd leave months old fuel in it but if stihl claims what it can do we have nothing to worry about? Only manually adjusted carbs from what I've heard..

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@6900pilot E10 fuel is fine. Stale fuel is stale fuel, nothing is going to run well or even start with stale fuel. If it’s stale it’s stale. Our information is direct and supported by Stihl GB. As mentioned in the video, Stihl m-tronic systems are designed to run up to 25% ethanol and can cope with it fine, but if you let it go stale, it will be the same outcome.

@6900pilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation all I was saying is if there is no carb in it surely the fuel can't really go bad? The computer is supposed to adjust accordingly even for altitude and working conditions? Of course I understand about really gone off fuel.. these saws are supposed to be smart..

@6900pilot

2 жыл бұрын

No harm intended I spent over 1200 euro on a saw I just want to look after it the best I can. Thank you..

How much does the Stihl MotoMix cost ?

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

£19.99 for 5l here in the UK 👍🏼

I’ve watched a Stihl U.K. video that mentioned that E10 with Stihl Super 2 stroke oil can be stored for upto 2 years and is the equivalent of Motomix🤷🏻‍♂️

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

Please may you share this video with me that says this 👍🏼

@666DW

Жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation I’ve researched many videos and online sites before purchasing a SH 86 C-E blower/vac. However, I’ve looked back at some but am unable to find the video at this time. If and when I locate I’ll post a link.

@MachineryNation

Жыл бұрын

@@666DW ok thank you 👍🏼

My uncle told me not to use the E10 as its no good for the seals

Great video for the moment Esso super unleaded is ethanol free.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Patrick, most Super unleaded is now E5 which will contain 5% ethanol .

@patrickvennard838

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation according to the Esso website it will remain ethanol free for a while. You are right most other firms super is E5. I guess I will just by premixed fuel when it goes. I have to say my cars not my chainsaws are my major concern.

Yep the the MotoMix might be great, but it’s £5.20 a litre

I have just burnt 2 chainsaws in the space of an hour and the only thing I can pin it to is E10 fuel 😡😡😡

@JayHm

2 жыл бұрын

I must add, both are 2006 Stihl, MS660 and Ms440

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

What oil are you using Jay?

@JayHm

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation I use Stihl HP 100ml bottles.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayHm for big pro saws like them, you want to be using a fully synthetic oil like HP Ultra. HP is a mineral oil and can’t cope with the heat of a pro saw. I hope this helps 👍🏼

@JayHm

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation many thanks for the pointer. I will order some 👍I was using both saws for milling as well!!

The E10 will run fine in 6 months. Give it 18 months and you'll see issues.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

It will certainly be interesting to See the results 🤩

Did you ever think of warming up the saw??🤣

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

We’re famous for letting them rip 👍🏼

STIHL 😻😍❤️🔥🚀💪🏻

then e25 is more suitable for heavy chainsaw user ! ! ! daily use and cleaning the engine interior.. =)

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

No it’s just Stihl have future proofed their saws just incase 👍🏼

Yeh but am sure motomix .about 20 squid a 5ltr can .paid 20 for aspen .broke my heart

if you add salt to the e10 fuel. it will obsorb the water. or sugar not tried sugar but i know once heated its like sir rope. lol

@ExtensiveGardens

2 жыл бұрын

i think sugar might stop the water ethonol +10 . i will make a video soon and try it. wish me luck.

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t heard this, will we interesting. I like salt on my chips but have not tried it in my engines 😂

@themowerman

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachineryNation apparently If it gets water in the fuel tipping 2kgs of white rice will Alos work.. well it did the trick when I dropped my phone in the toilet

@jerryekhator790

Жыл бұрын

Don't try salt in your engine, it will destroy it, Bad neighbor did this to someone because the neighbor machine was noisy.

It will run with E-10, but don't store it with E-10.

@gulfstream7235

Жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed because that's what I'm planning on doing with mower etc

@karlrovey

Жыл бұрын

I should add that I don't follow this perfectly. However, I do stabilize all my mixed gas.

No

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

Yes 😂

It's awfull.to sell machines that need special petrol..redicilous infact ..it should be just like 2 stroke engine ..just add a bit oil to normal petrol....no buy special motomix ..for 3/4 times normal..it's outrageous

@MachineryNation

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t have to buy special petrol. This video explains that you can use E10 but do not store it for a long time. All 2-Strokes engines still fun of petrol.

My Echo chainsaw works daily and happily on E5 unleaded 50:1 oil mix. One day I decided to do my bit to save the planet by using "Green" E10. I decided to also save money and filled my Echo Chainsaw with E10 mix. It refused to start despite checking everything, much sweat and cursing. Threw away the E10, refilled on E5 mix and it started on the second pull. So if you're thinking of using cheap "Green" E10 in a chainsaw: DON'T.

I have ms170 it runs on e10 e15 e20 e30 and e85 with amsoil saber and has E3 spark plug. Its been 8 years scene i had it . and it still runs great.