In response to your questions about the requirement for 3-phase electricity supply, Dr. Chris gave his thoughts: "The grid operators look at the worst possible case for export in their calculations. They look at 5.5kW of solar being produced, with 10kW of power from the batteries, and no loads, and see if the grid can handle this 15.5kW of export (in this case they found it couldn't on 1-phase). In real life, you wouldn’t see the solar producing its maximum and the batteries fully discharging at the same time, so the grid operators are being very cautious here. Indeed the batteries are designed to discharge such that no electricity goes back to the grid! The grid connection regulations were initially set up for back-up generators; if Robert had a 15kW diesel generator in his home these rules would make sense. But they do seem a bit dated to work for modern solar/battery systems."

@winnie-the-poohahaha4428

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like you should have had a restrictor on export put in place instead of upgrading to 3 phase

@Iaahiafw1

4 жыл бұрын

@@winnie-the-poohahaha4428 We tried that one!

@Namonesu

4 жыл бұрын

i would hav sub if the conversation wasent so boring /but sub- titel wass intresting tho click bait ?

@peterthomas3336

4 жыл бұрын

Agree. But it may be that this Powerwall is 3 phase unit. Perhaps Richard will tell us

@Bryan-Hensley

4 жыл бұрын

Single phase can easily handle 40kwh. They make it hard as possible to hook up to the grid. We aren't allowed solar or batteries in East Tennessee at all. If you want solar, you have to unhook from public utilities and run totally off the grid or separate systems that aren't connected at all.

I like this guy. He's so articulate and logical and clear. Sometimes too much technical talk can lose me, but not this time. Brilliant stuff.

@ProFettMoHaMett

4 жыл бұрын

Made in England.

@MattCasters

4 жыл бұрын

You're right. Usually he's a bit of a rubbery plastic kind of smeghead but in this show I think he's doing quite all right.

@pauldunneska

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProFettMoHaMett Llewellyn is a Welsh surname, so his DNA is Welsh. Just because he was born in a stable (England) does not make him a horse.

@debadityasaha1684

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProFettMoHaMett all the thieves are from there also. Hurray.

@LostWaxProcess

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Dunne That’s not necessarily true, but I like the sentiment.

Great episode, once again Chris Gardine from Joju is a great explainer.

There's a certain irony to having to upgrade your property to three phase in order to not use any electricity from the grid!

@niconesta8566

4 жыл бұрын

If you dont understand electrics yes

@lufferov

4 жыл бұрын

@@niconesta8566 The irony still exists regardless of the physics. I do actually work with three phase on a regular basis. 400amp via powerlock, though it used to be a busbar when I started... so yeah, you could say I have more of an understanding than most.

@ricg9431

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! Why is it we stray farther away from making solar available to the masses?the ROI on something like this has to be ludicrous and quite amusing to your utility.So whatever efforts were made by your neighbors to level the playing field you manage to tilt it again with labor,permiting,material fees and their respective markups from you utility provider.So much for free energy!

@TsLeng

4 жыл бұрын

It is only a problem for those who want to be self sufficient in electricity generation while still would like the idea of being connected to the grid. Take the bloody house completely off grid and nobody cares!

@grumpy3517

4 жыл бұрын

@@TsLeng Yup, exactly!

My PW2 was installed in December 2018, 9 years after our solar panels were installed. Our panels are great, but we ended up only 40% self-powered. Our aim and hope was that the powerwall would enable us to increase to 80% self-powered, and it has been very successful, and we are now almost 90% self-powered.

Thanks for this and all your work on electric stuff. I am working on changing my company to electric in a big way. We do Landscaping and over the year we have stopped using 2-stroke oil and petrol for our lawnmores and strimmers to battery. It's not easy and it's not cheap but it's good and I see improvements that were not expected. Were adding a 6kw pv system and batteries of over 10kw. We plan to add more but need 3phase and more money so it's in time. We will be getting pv of about 30kw and a electric van leaving us with just the ride on lawnmore on diesel. But that looks to be 2 years away. Just wanted to show you that your helping me change as will as others me thinks. Thanks again Garrett Fox in Ireland

@helenlawson8426

4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful to hear and inspiring, thank you for posting. The sooner the sound of petrol leaf blowers becomes a thing of the past the better. :)

Missed opportunity to have the first powerwall signed by the Fully Charged team

Thanks for the video. One thing, prices are NOT coming down, they are only going 1 way. If you have solar you should aim to eventually have a battery with it.

Dr Chris Jardine is a hell of a guest to have. Such crystal clear explanaton! Bring him back ASAP!

Personally, as a long time FC viewer, I find these sort of videos much more interesting than the cars. EV's are almost getting old news now. All the major manufacturers are committed to them, infastrue rollout is happening at pace and their mass adoption is a matter of when not if. Home energy and the implementation of the sort of technology in this video is the new frontier now. There's so many possibilities and the impacts will be profound in terms of how we generate, use and pay for electricity not to mention the networks that distribute it. Great work, more videos like this please.

@debadityasaha1684

4 жыл бұрын

eV s aRe gEtTiNg oLd nEwS, where the hell do you come from?, 2050?

@Mordalo

4 жыл бұрын

@@debadityasaha1684 They are old news here, no one cares and sees them as toys more than anything else.

@marklonguet-higgins6041

4 жыл бұрын

About 30% of CO2 is produced by transport systems, and 30% CO2 is produced by buildings (heating system). Batteries and Energy Storage is the major breakthrough in reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, and to help stop global warming. That is why both EVs and (regenerative) Electricity Storage is so important. Elon knew why he went into this business, and why taking over SolarCity to build batteries for cars, buildings, and electricy grids was so important. That is what the Giga Factories are for. Thank you Elon for waking up the world, and competing with the rest of the Automobile Industry. He is even building GigaFactory 4 here in Germany! Fantastic.

@debadityasaha1684

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mordalo it is very difficult for you to survive with that kind of brain damage. My condolences

@Mordalo

4 жыл бұрын

@@debadityasaha1684 Says the genius that has no clue of what he speaks. Why is that people like you can't deal with simple truths. EVs are not valid alternatives yet. End of story. Neither is solar and wind. Why do you think Germany and other countries in the EU are going back to coal? The entire AGW/CC is a proven hoax. You just don't want to believe it as you are pathological.

Finally something about the house. I mean, can you please do more videos about House Solar PV systems ( the new technologies, and the optimization of using PV systems ). I have done by myself PV System of my house ( project, purchase and the installation), but here in France we're quite behind in technologies innovation ( I do miss my life in London ). The world of PV System is changing quite rapidly, so it'll be great if you will keep covering PV House/Industrial Systems the innovations and the latest news. Best regards from France

@ianwilson3674

4 жыл бұрын

I agree George I'd like to see more information about alternative electric heating systems as this is the next big challenge to eliminate fossil fuels?

As someone who lives in a 3-phase house, I can tell you this raises lots of questions. For domestic wiring, each phase is normally a completely separate circuit, so presumably you have one powerwall on phase A, one on phase B, and nothing on phase C, so in a powercut anything connected to phase C will stop working. Each powerwall will only drive loads on the relevant phase, so when one is empty, everything on that powerwall dies, right?. Which means a lot of planning to make sure your freezer stays on in a powercut, etc.... Also, if the Zappi is now wired as a 3-phase device and connected to all 3 phases, then it too will stop working in a powercut because only 2 of the phases are powered, which otherwise sounds pretty scary from a phase balancing point of view. Is that how the house is wired, or have Tesla got something really clever that somehow magically combines the phases????

@eliatasti06yt

Жыл бұрын

No, it's exactly what you said. This is the only way possible.

instead of getting ripped off by power companies when selling the over spill to the grid. woudnt it be great if you could pass it onto nextdoor.

@JohnnyKronaz

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe someday a true power GRID would do exactly that. It would reduce the load on the overall system if it was only transporting power through neighborhoods.

@W94urndks9urneos

4 жыл бұрын

David Bunney technology is advancing and the energy companies have ignored technology for too long. Now it’s running away from them and they must change or be left behind in history.

@sander4256

4 жыл бұрын

That's why generating more power then your own usage is not recommended. You just install the amount of panels you need for your own.

@77gravity

4 жыл бұрын

You probably could. Run a quality power line between your homes - do it properly just don't tell the council or the power company. F***' em.

@tim8deb

4 жыл бұрын

@@77gravity after going though the bush fires in Australia many homes did not have power for 2 months. I would have loved to have been able to pass some on the power I produced from my 6.3 kva PV system to my neighbours . Learnt a real lesson on how dependant we are on those grid connections. Do it properly and F%#k em

Sparks: does a nice tidy job-trunking, well clipped cables, SWA etc. Electrical network operator: Sticks lumps of chipboard & plywood on wall, surface wires meter and main fuses...

@bikerfirefarter7280

3 жыл бұрын

typical double standards of utilities, you have to be 'gold-plated', they 'minimal'.

Dr. Chris Jardine is an exceptionally erudite explainer of things esoteric and complicated. Well done, Doctor Jardine. Robert Llewellyn, your website is always interesting, thank you.

Great episode. I own from 2 years PW2 in Australia with the gateway and what surprises me in my if the grid goes off then the batter start to support home in milliseconds, so you will be not able to see it. There is no delay at all, so all home equipment run as normal. You do not need to set up 10 clocks on different stuff :-))).

I'm an electrician and this is an impressive setup i would like to work on. Also the quality of installation work seems exceptional. 👍

@abdul9

4 жыл бұрын

Not to sound arrogant but the installation as long as normal German standard is concerned is OK at best. Why. The bending of the cables you're able to see is not even close to being acceptable here.

@ashish282

4 жыл бұрын

I thought this is how it's done in developed world, India it would looks likes a spiders web

@richardhall6509

4 жыл бұрын

@@abdul9 I worked with Germans when I built my house (it's a German prefab), and you guys take the view that there are 2 ways to do anything 1) The German way 2) The wrong way. And guess what, you're not always correct ;-)

@michaelmcmenzie6928

3 жыл бұрын

You guys are living in LA LA land the average citizen could not afford to have this put in their house, this is ridiculous quit smelling your own farts and come down and explained to the American people how we could do this at a reasonable cost

@vc2616

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcmenzie6928 regardless standard's should always be high

We have a Fronius Solar Battery (for 3 years now) and it not only can charge with direct DC (ie. efficient) from the panels - including all that power that would normally be clipped by the utility company limiting inverter production - but it can power the house over three phases quite happily... even if the grid goes down. The 'backup gateway' in the Fronius system is simply the Fronius inverter... it's much less hardware (and neater) than that Tesla setup! I have a battery, inverter and just my standard switchboard. No other boxes. I can't believe how much hardware is on that garage wall!

@timvonr2802

4 жыл бұрын

E3dc pro Series 😉

Dr. Jardine did a great job of clearly explaining the features, improvements, and gotchas of the powerwall system.

@hellviper944

4 жыл бұрын

Also did not properly explain everything. Dr. Chris Jardine was incorrect on his single phase description. Single phase has 2 hots and a neutral. If you are going to install this stuff you need to know about electricity I would think!

@ianburton9223

4 жыл бұрын

@@hellviper944 Nearly right: It's actually live, neutral and earth - and done depend upon the colour of the wires. Traditionally live used to be red, neutral was black and earth was green or bare wire. These days, conventionally, it can be live - brown, neutral - blue, and earth - yellow and green. And all these colours can be different in different countries and according to what your electrician had available at installation time (thinking of Italy for that last one).

@andygilbert1877

4 жыл бұрын

Josh Laird No, he described it correctly for the U.K. Which is where Robert lives and his house is. :)

@techhie1302

4 жыл бұрын

@@andygilbert1877 Sorry, but I think you will find you are all wrong. Now there is a strong claim. Single phase in Australia and England uses a single wire to a neutral that is 240 v potential. That neutral is earthed at the pole and at the home. There is no other source of voltage. In North America, and I asked a line technician about this one, the supply to the house is called single phase because the transformer uses just one of the three phases out in the street. It then goes to a transformer that has a centre tapped winding creating the neutral. That is earthed at the pole and in the home. So between the neutral point and the two ends of this winding there is a PD of 120vac, and a difference between the two windings of 240vac because they are 180 degrees out of phase. So there are two phases in your home supplied by a single phase out in the street. Helpful much?

It's hard to believe that I've been waiting almost 50 years for this. I saw my first electric car show in...believe it or not...1963. Then during the 70's, watched a lot of residential photovoltaic installations go up. But the cars were lead-acid batteries, and the pv installations were woefully inept. So it only took a few wars and half a century.

I have seen many videos, and this one is the best I have seen simply because it responds to many questions most people interested in those technologies would ask themselves. Good job!

Merry Christmas to everyone at Fully Charged, thank you for making such a fantastic show!

@wildhurstmanor

4 жыл бұрын

Happy Christmas!

I like this Dr Chris Jardine. Knowledgeable, communicates well, and seems completely free of bullshit or marketing hype. That is also a really great system, especially when most energy utility feed-tarifs seriously blow hard for any kind of ROI.

Really impressive set up and very well explained...also very neat installation from the guys 🙂👍

Good on you Robert, the work you do is FANTASTIC!

I live in rural Norfolk. We get cuts ~1-3 times a quarter. Last one was on Monday morning.

@ESCAPINGTHEMATRIXFORGOOD

4 жыл бұрын

same here in rural Suffolk, but i do enjoy the power cuts. i love watching my kids struggle with no internet ! ha ha, i just pick up a book and put plenty of candles on and sit by the wood burner. lovely ! take care all !

@beedslolkuntus2070

4 жыл бұрын

ESCAPING THE MATRIX FOR GOOD Evil fool! 😉

@imprezaaudi

4 жыл бұрын

We live on the east coast too. Power dropouts are quite common. I have several small UPS backups to protect sensitive computer/servers etc from these small power interruptions.

Yes you can. Mine works amazingly well. Not even a flicker of a light bulb and power stays on. It works SOOOOO well.

@ProfSimonHolland

4 жыл бұрын

shame there isn't an instant switchover, to maintain computer equipment.

@lmaoroflcopter

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProfSimonHolland that's what UPS is for. It comes down to the technicalities of switching 300w Vs 30KW.

@st200ol

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProfSimonHolland Why not plug your computer into a separate UPS?

@deanfielding4411

4 жыл бұрын

Professor Simon Holland I have a powerwall with backup gateway and my power is completely seemless in backup operation. Computers, clocks, router all continue uninterrupted. I don’t know why his went off, only thing I can think is that it is something to do with it being 3 phase, but I can’t see why that should make any difference.

@deanfielding4411

4 жыл бұрын

Professor Simon Holland I have a powerwall with backup gateway and my power is completely seemless in backup operation. Computers, clocks, router all continue uninterrupted. I don’t know why his went off, only thing I can think is that it is something to do with it being 3 phase, but I can’t see why that should make any difference.

Love seeing Kryten all happy about his new toys

Awesome video Robert, thanks for a terrific explanation, best I’ve seen. G’day from sunny, hot Brisbane - 33C here today with 5kW coming from my 6.5kW of solar, and of course one (small) A/C running, (mainly for reducing the humidity.) We will still feed a lot to the grid even after charging our Model 3 back up to about 65%, which is where I keep it if we’re not doing a big trip. Love your juicy lumpy organic goodness!

"Switching to auxiliary power, sir".

Awesome episode, wish that backup gateway switch was faster seems like the velociraptors can get out in that down time.

@RichardOzanne

4 жыл бұрын

It was painful to watch! Lights might flicker, he said!

@coodba

4 жыл бұрын

If the UK version of the Tesla Backup Gateway (BUG) is the same as the USA version it will only have that long delay the first time. The gateway is learning. The second and subsequent times it switches over will occur in milliseconds. Here is Colorado I've had nine grid power outages in the last year. Most of them are are for only 5 minutes, but two were for two and three hours. During all of them I didn't see my lights flicker and my TV, stereo receiver, and computers are not disturbed. Filming the first test doesn't do it justice.

@IanLarner

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to make the same comment, I have a powerwall with backup gateway and I've only known about any power cuts as the app has told me, no noticeable disruption to anything in the house.

@ashish00007

4 жыл бұрын

The backup switch I have, I have to personally go and change. 🤣 at least he has an automatic switch... but I live in an area with abundant sunshine, so it is enough from the batteries to run the night. So totally off grid, except on rainy season.

@cpdowden68

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichardOzanne I have had the exact same system installed at my house, and when the engineer switched off the grid power, my house lights didn't even flicker! Not sure why it took so long to switch over in this clip!

Best show on KZread. Really informative and fantastic production.

100 years from now this will be the norm , everyone will have houses far better than this, a person to do this now starts the change that is inevitable! Well Done and fairplay

@efficientmewithsomto8020

2 жыл бұрын

You’ve got that right

Plot twist, Robert gets sued for forging a signature.

@davidwebb4904

4 жыл бұрын

He can sue Tesla for not delivering on what it promised. Court rules Elon must visit the garage to sign the powerwall.

@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit

4 жыл бұрын

Quick! change it to "Elon MusT sign here"!!

@TheStevenWhiting

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidwebb4904 Appears suing Musk is pointless because no matter how much evidence is against him, he'll still some how win.

@TheRahsoft

4 жыл бұрын

further plot twist Elon make stupid comments on twitter. get sued for libel in london and loses..

@lestermarshall6501

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheStevenWhiting he has more lawyers than you can afford.

Great episode! The guests spoke very clearly and concise. Every question that popped into my head while watching this (such as, can you still charge from solar when the mains power is out) was answered which is also great. More of these house intergration videos please!

What an amazing setup can see some new builds having solar and battery storage as standard in years to come.

I’m a student at university and these powerwall videos are so so so helpful for me to relate theory to applications. Thank you!

brilliant...you took us through all the main points.....well done production / edit team.

In Perth, Australia, 6kW of panels generates 45kWh on a sunny summer's day. Eat your heart out.

@NoGasWelcomeAboard

4 жыл бұрын

In Phoenix AZ US (33.42 N Latitude) and according to my basic Solar Edge 7.3kW GT inverter, the 9.2kW of panels attached to it generated 62kWh & 41kWh respectively this past year on Summer/Winter Solstice day. Both days were cloudless. Cost to to self-install the system 3 years ago was $18K USD before government rebates/incentives and the system’s upfront cost will be completely recouped next year. Eat YOUR heart out 😉.

@sandponics

4 жыл бұрын

​@@NoGasWelcomeAboard That is great. However, my 5kWh Solar Edge Inverter and 22 (6kWh) Solar Edge panels cost me only Au$6000 installed after government subsidies. Plus, I receive Au$0.07 for every kWh exported to the grid (which is about 36kWh per summer day and import about 9kWh from the grid at 28 cents per kWh), meaning that the system should ideally pay for itself in 5-6 years. For Au$18000 after government subsidies, I could potentially be generating 135kWh per day in summer and 45kWh on short, cloudy winter days, although I would then receive no feed-in-tariff due to it being an oversized system. Systems are however being developed locally, where I should be able to sell my surplus power to neighbors for potentially more than the current 7 cents per kWh paid by the grid operator.

Have been running fully off grid on wind, solar and battery for 28 years. Multiple buildings, two residences all usual appliances including air conditioning etc etc. Running on second generation power station since 2013. Three AC coupled inverters Selectronic networked with two Kacos. Max available power 19.5kw. storage 90kwh.

What a beauty of an electrical installation, top sparks ⚡️

Had my powerwall and gateway 2 a few months ago and was surprised to see how long your battery’s took over the grid, mine is instant ( maybe this is due to your 3 phase supply ) noticed a few people asking about cost my standard single phase house cost £8500 fully installed pw2 and gateway 2. I’m doing a 2020 cost analysis to work out how long it will cost to pay back in real life situations on my channel.

@StephenBurch

4 жыл бұрын

I've had my Powerwall2 & solar since Oct 2018. Southern England. We used virtually no grid electricity from 24th March to 24th Sept. House use for year was 9.9 kWh per day with grid use at 4.2 kWh per day so saved 64%. The battery provided 1160 kWh to the house. So at 14.5p/kWh saved me £168. Going to take a while to pay for itself! (Cost was £5600 I think).

@arnyswart

4 жыл бұрын

Mine too. It switches instantly and the lights dim slightly. I’m not sure it is 3 phase or it is not set up correctly.

@davepinnell

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Hill : Any chance of a link to your channel?

@Andytlp

4 жыл бұрын

@@StephenBurch isnt it always cloudy in uk.. 64% thats a lot. Any place sunnier it's probably close to 100% then?

@AllElectricLiving

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Pinnell here is a link to the first of a few short videos about my circumstances before 2020 year, please ask any questions or if you want anymore information kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWaVrLujns-yY6Q.html

That was interesting and helpful. Thank you for posting this video.

Solar with battery storage, every home and business here in the desert southwest should have this!

@mikecastellon4545

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Mara sorry, most of us don’t want it. Why don’t u do it and forget about the rest of us doing your fantasy. We’re not interested

@stancloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikecastellon4545 Mine is still under construction. It already produces 50% of my power and that number will go up again soon.

@SuperJohn12354

4 жыл бұрын

cost of the battery is a 12 year payback time for a 10 year life spam, the carbon emissions from building and manufacturing the battery take 8-9 years to offset, if your not a heavy electricity user that could blow out to 10-11 years, so we have established there's no economic reason to have the battery, no environmental reason, if you live off grid then yes this is useful, your paying for the "feel good", if you want to save the world invest in hydrogen power generation.

@stancloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperJohn12354 The use to have a hydrogen station in Cape Girardeau.......it blew up.

@mikecastellon4545

4 жыл бұрын

SuperJohn12354 it’s not an economic or environmental issue. It’s far more important than that. It’s about virtue signaling and showing your neighbors that u are actively saving the planet while they are busy destroying it. The geeks that install these are the usual suspects, sandal wearing ,ponytailed, treehugging, holier than thou, types that are more than willing to lose money in order to appear “green” and clean.

9:16 Now I get why the solar inverters typically shut off in a power outage, and the importance of a physical relay interruptor. Never understood that before.

@HansKeesom

4 жыл бұрын

Even my small plugin solar system does that, no power on the pins when not plugged in or when the power is out. That safety is good. I can off course unplug the mc4 connector myself during poweroutage to connect a small battery to the solar panels to have some juice for my devices.

@ukgroucho

4 жыл бұрын

Your solar inverters also shut down if they detect the line voltage coming into your house being too high (say 252V instead of 240V). What was explained to me is that sometimes the linesmen need to work on a live distribution network but with limited Amps ... so yes they could get a small shock but not get fried. So they cut down the power being pushed into the grid and feed a "low power" 252V test 'signal' - I guess you can test for short circuits and leaks or whatever, but safely. Obviously they don't need a bunch of enthusiastic solar PV generation installations dumping huge amounts of power into what should be a 'test mode' grid when they work on it.

That was amazing. Dr. Chris is a genius. Thank you for another superb episode.

@stephensomersify

4 жыл бұрын

Tesla are the genius - The Dr is 'just' clever enough to understand them

Thanks for sharing this! It's good to hear others' experiences. We are rural and have quite a few power cuts, which is why we chose the Tesla battery with our PV system. There have been 7 cuts since installation in September and the battery has had to provide an hour, in total, of backup power. We are computer dependent so continuity is important to us! Only once did we notice a cut happening, because an internal circuit tripped out. Usually the most warning is a flicker of the lights. The other feature that I really like on the battery is 'Stormwatch', which automatically fills the battery ahead of an event like Storm Ciara or Dennis and does not discharge until the danger is over. Although elements of the system can be installed outside, it is still rather large and will take up a lot of wall space. It is also not silent, so bear in mind when choosing a location. These are early days for storage, but batteries are sophisticated and worth considering if you have the space and the cash. (On the other hand, I've come across someone who uses old milk-float batteries for an off-grid life.)

One day I'll have this in my house ! Looking forward to running my house on our own electricity.

Fantastic stuff, and very easy to follow. This setup will be the second thing I order after a Taycan turbo s with a lotto win

@afterburner94

4 жыл бұрын

Spilled my coffee reading this! ahaha thanks mate!

SMart Export Guarantee??? SMEG?????? How Appropriate lol.

@chansonkun7989

4 жыл бұрын

SMEG, ma?

@RoryM07

4 жыл бұрын

@@chansonkun7989 Red Dwarf. Watch it.

@gergall1809

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just binging my way through RD on Netflix atm :) NICE Reference!

@artisanelectrics

4 жыл бұрын

Colin Connelly 😂

@tonymorrison578

4 жыл бұрын

Other countries are already doing it how far behind is England

Looking to build a house in El Paso, Texas, so this was very informative. Obviously the sun will produce quite a lot of power, but conversely, we will be cranking air conditioning constantly. In the UK, your AC needs are miniscule by comparison. That's a win in your favor.

Great Update, thanks Robert! :-) Since I'm tenant of a souterrain appartment in an originally one family's home in southern Germany (remember: three phase connected :-) ), being lucky to get permission for an own off-grid PV, I'm burning for your PV series (and anything I can get hands on where- and whenever possible). Building it single-handed I'm deep in all details, both the electrics and the crafts. Therefore: Chapeau to your solasters! My to be installed "hybrid inverter" (with the solar charger integrated) will guaranty my appliances running uninterrupted in case of missing solar input and empty batteries by switching back to the grid in 10 ms. Advantage: The inverter does exactly what Tesla's backup gateway does - physically preventing any energy flowing *into* the grid. Unfortunatly, the German law doesn't accept this as proof for "off-grid", instructing these facilities to be registered both at the authorities and the local network operator (who would install a no-return electric meter for your mentioned protective reasons). Since there is no way of detecting such facilities, it's used anyway in those occasions, without registration. ;-) Disadvantages: As semi-off-grid plant I'll loose any power that couldn't be used locally (home electricity, EV, hot water etc.). And I don't have the money for an electric car yet. Will follow next asap. Secondly, with the official legal status in mind, no solaster or electrician would take the risk of being punished for breaking a law (although no single one has been punished until now). This is the reason for my diy project. Another thought to the batteries: In combination with my (2nd hand) 1.5 kWp solar array, my 3 Pylontech US2000+ battery modules (in summary 7.2 kWh, providing 6.6 kWh useful per cycle) cover about 50% of my yearly electricity consumption (with feeding-in they could theoretically cover 100%!). Economically a Powerwall won't pay off for the rest of my life, there are faint chances for that goal with my cheaper Chinese high quality LiFePO4 batteries. Thanks again for sharing your update, hopefully my own wasn't too boring. :-) Carry on, as subscriber I'll stay tuned!

The Back Up Gateway has been around since the Tesla Powerwall 2 came out, as I have had one since 2017, but im in Australia, so I presume the Backup Gateway 2 addresses whatever it was that was required for it to work in the UK. Anyway when the grid goes down our Powerwall kicks in instantly, I usually don't even notice.

@Yahgiggle

4 жыл бұрын

you can get some that use relays or some that use motor driven hard switches, they said it had to be physically disconnected as that's the rule in the UK so they would have used the motor driven transfer switch, this takes time, but in your case you must be using the new kind that uses relays these put your inverter into island mode

very informative! (far more than those "Look, there is a new e-car!"-videos)

This is a very smart system you got there. The best ive seen/heard about.

Great work..!!! 3 phase x 30A, 40A or 60A is standard practice in most developed Europe for the last 30 years. Even Cyprus adopted 3 phase as standard practice since the late 90s. Its the best way forward.!!

Elon Musk will have to make a service call and put his signature on it.

@DrUseful

4 жыл бұрын

Elon Musk will have to make a service call and put Robert's signature on it!

@sillywabbit

4 жыл бұрын

get tagging him

@marklonguet-higgins6041

4 жыл бұрын

Lyndon Rive (CEO SolarCity, and Elons Cousin) signed my system ... sky-solaranlagen.de/solarcity-tesla-aus-usa-zu-besuch-2/ 3-Phase, Tesla Powerwall 1 System which I designed and had built 3 years ago - the first in Europe. Here is proof ... Solar Energy Film | m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIyLmq-DYc-8eJc.html .. filmed by Tesla Energy Europe in 2016.

Some missing, important details here. The PowerWalls are AC and single phase each - so I'm guessing they're only connected to two of the three phases (or both on one phase)? If that's the case, the 'whole house' isn't being run by them in backup mode, just those circuits connected to the PowerWalls. There are also power output limits which would limit what you can run on each phase, including peak load.

@MacGuyver85

4 жыл бұрын

That's what the gateway is for (besides all the other stuff): so the single phase Powerwall(s) can deliver/absorb power from all three phases.

@fionafiona1146

4 жыл бұрын

It's the total capacity that causes UK building code to kick in.

@markobolt9030

4 жыл бұрын

@@MacGuyver85 How sould this work? Do they switch all three phases in parallel on one phase? Or is there a 1 - 3 phase AC converter in the gateway?

@nitramluap

4 жыл бұрын

MacGyver Is that a fact or are you guessing? If that’s the case, how does the Gateway phase shift the different phases if they’re coming from a single AC source, because the AC can’t all be in the same phase (waveform) to power three phase equipment properly... the AC sine waves must be offset for true three phase supply. I’d be keen to know the details as to how this is achieved.

@salokin1

4 жыл бұрын

@@nitramluap It isn't made clear in the video but I would guess that the Backup Gateway is on the same phase as the house always was, and the solar array, with the original Powerwall. The other Powerwall would be on a different phase. This would mean only the contents of the first Powerwall would be available to power the house in the event of a power outage, but that should suffice in reliable old UK! Charging the second Powerwall from solar is, I guess, a process whereby the solar is actually being fed back TO the grid on the first phase, with the Gateway arranging to get exactly the same power FROM the grid on the second phase into the Powerwall. The meter would nett the input and output to record zero. Anyone able to confirm or deny my hypothesis?

Excellent video, Off grid capabilities, now, big difference... I watched the first video you did, this is an excellent follow up video of your upgrade...

I’m in Southern California and I went with a battery from a company in San Diego called NeoVolta. In California you have to install an AC shutoff on the outside of your house (basically a lever that kills the grid to the house) and I can pull it and the NeoVolta will turn on within 1 second and the house will run completely off the battery. In an extended outage, the battery controls the panels so will turn the panels on/off to charge itself, all without grid connection. I am super happy and would recommend NeoVolta to others. Tesla is a great company however I’ve discussed with several installers that the complexity of the Powerwall installation + the extras to make your home truly run off grid is not worth it. Additionally the state rebate for the NeoVolta was better and the installation costs were lower.

Congratulations on getting the powerwall installed. I hope it really works out for you,. It will be interesting to see where this technology is in 10 years time and how much it has advanced by. This is probably not the forum for it.......... but screw it I am really looking forward to the red dwarf movie.

Put everything up so the flood can't damage your power wall

@lorilanili1356

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Result is no worries.

@stephenwensley1462

4 жыл бұрын

He’s on the top of a range of hills, so should be little chance of flooding and well above the 5m sea level rise

@stephenwensley1462

4 жыл бұрын

Halcyon Nightz if he spare leaks, leak and potato soup is nice this time of tear

I especially liked the bit towards the end about the economics of import with fees versus export without recovering the fees.

This is incredibly informative:). Subscribed!

Robert. When's the "Kryten plugged into powerwall" episode? There has to be some comedic value?

Cool tech! Note to self: don't throw away the actual UPS... ;)

@moarsaur

4 жыл бұрын

Kind of shocking that tech isn't in the Powerwall, then they've put out the Gateway as a whole intermediary system - still no UPS. You'd think it would be one of the easier problems to solve, regulatory hoops notwithstanding.

@DavidS-wm9ud

3 жыл бұрын

@@moarsaur exactly what I don't get!!! Like why the heck did the lights go off?!? That's a computers worth of work lost, everything in the house without a battery resetting, grandma dead from a lack of oxygen because we thought a big battery was a "backup"!!! We need to start viewing batteries as our MAINs power and the grid as our "backup"!! Then we'll actually get somewhere with all of this!!

funny thing! I've watched so much and didn't realize I wasn't a subscriber like I was on other channels and "yes" I enabled the bell too. As an EV driver and lover I'm pulling purging my debt to get the Tesla solar panels and Battery for 100% home usage. Keep up the great work and energy guys!

That a Tesla breaker switch is perfect. Awesome setup you got there now.

Great video, I've been looking forward to this one! Please do a video on Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFeP04) batteries used for stationary storage applications like this. It is the far safer and more environmentally-friendly option, as compared to Lithium Ion Cobalt (such as the Tesla Powerwalls) or sealed lead acid. It is currently more expensive, but as I understand it that is only because it isn't being manufactured at the same scale.

@slim1100

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Shumaker the cobalt use in Tesla Batteries is the lowest in the industry, they lead the world in that aspect... given time I’m sure it will be lower yet.

@stephenshumaker8444

4 жыл бұрын

@@slim1100 I'm aware, and I hope they continue on that path. Still, LiFeP04 makes more sense for stationary storage, and Li-Ion Cobalt makes more sense for passenger vehicles. Tesla wants to have just one battery manufacturing line, so they use the same type for everything.

HUH!? 😯 The amount of time for the batteries to kick in was pretty disappointing. I expected it to be instantaneous like a UPS, with a little flicker of the lights at most. So you still need a UPS for any sensitive electronics in the house. Why can’t it work like one?

@4203105

4 жыл бұрын

Needs to securely disconnect from the grid before it can power up the for again. There is a lot more juice in a power wall than a ups. Grid companies likely wouldn't allow it if it didn't do it slowly and checked 5 times.

@logicalChimp

4 жыл бұрын

Probably also related to the fact it's 3-phase - so it has to disconnect (in effect) 3 separate supplies, and verify all there are safe, before telling everything else they can power up again...

@videocruncher

4 жыл бұрын

@@4203105 that doesn't really explain it, considering that this system is supposed to function, effectively, off-grid most of the time.

@ryanmalin

4 жыл бұрын

Even the real industrial applications have a 2 to 5 second delay until the back up power cuts in. This is normal

@MacGuyver85

4 жыл бұрын

This isn't typical as you can see from some other comments. It should be almost instantaneous. Robert should have Tesla check on what's wrong here.

Great stuff! Many thanks, Robert.

What a great show. Can't believe I did not find it sooner!

"...and after alll...You're my powerwall..." someone had to. ... _no they didn't_ ? Fair enough ! :(

@robertkirchner7981

4 жыл бұрын

"We'll see if it is" said Elon.

@elektrotehnik94

4 жыл бұрын

Surely it would be cheaper for the government to install a system like this in every property in the Uk than pay for Hinckley Point C? Crazy 🙄😩🤦🏻‍♂️

@Quagmirian

4 жыл бұрын

That's politics for you

@zambiakid

4 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't make profit for your shareholders....

@cloggsy1971

4 жыл бұрын

TK-421 Hmmm 🤔 You might have a point there... 🙄😩🤦🏻‍♂️

@jockwood2398

4 жыл бұрын

The projected cost of Hinckley Point (£50billion) would put this system in almost 3.5 million homes and generate 4x more power

@cloggsy1971

4 жыл бұрын

Jock Wood Crazy isn’t it? 🙄🤷🏻‍♂️

Brilliant show! Love it :-) You got a new follower!

This is a neat setup, I plan something myself like this in the future so it is neato to see it in action.

I had lost power for almost 3 full days a few months back, really wish I had something like this during that time.

@josephjohn907

4 жыл бұрын

Groyper?

Point of clarification, I have almost exactly the same configuration installed (same PV output and 2 power walls), but without the Gateway on a single phase supply. I am able to use the advance mode of charging the power wall's overnight on a cheap rate. It is my understanding that the level of charge/time of year intelligence is in the power wall firmware NOT the gateway. Therefore, you don't need a gateway to run this functionality.

@chrisjardine7406

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is correct - it is the firmware that manages the advance charging, so this functionality works on the older non-back-up gateway as well. I do talk about this at 13:12.

@salokin1

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisjardine7406 Hi Chris, can you clarify which phases everything was connected to in Robert's system? Did you move the solar array or the original powerwall off the original phase to which the house was connected? If not, only the new ("free") powerwall would be on a second phase, with the zappi connected to all three. I have a property with all three phases so am interested!

I have 3 Powerwalls, single phase grid power, 12 kW peak solar. It all works great. I have my batteries set to 25% retention for power outage backup. My batteries fill up by mid day (25% to 100%, 3 batteries), the rest of the solar goes into the grid until the sun goes down (I receive a credit on my bill), then I run off my batteries throughout the evening and night. When grid power goes off, I have NO FLICKER or pause. My gateway switch is milliseconds, so even my digital clocks do not need resetting. The only way I know my grid power has turned off is when the gateway sends me a text on my phone. This setup in the video seems quite clunky and house power fails for several seconds before going to battery power. What a difference.

I live in Central Europe. My old apartment had a single-phase supply and using too many appliances at the same time would trip the fuse box. My current apartment has three phase to deal with extra load (induction hob, AC unit etc). When we had our cottage connected to the grid we were given the choice between single and three phase, and were recommended single with the option to upgrade to three phase temporarily if needed. Three phase is a bit more risky and expensive.

Hmm, I was told backup systems are instantaneous (new ones). There are various types, but you definitely need a continuous and fast switching PS to keep your electronics safe. Seeing how a brand new tech like Tesla failed to switch power on for several seconds is weird. Or maybe they just use Tesla batteries and not a complete package. He did say he got it for free.

Surprised by how long it took to switch over to battery. My PowerWall switches so fast, the digital clocks don't reset.

@GadgeteerZA

4 жыл бұрын

Me also... my Victron Energy system balances input from grid, solar and batteries and switches fully to batteries/solar in milliseconds - computers, TV, light etc all stay on and the anti-islanding prevents any power going back out to the grid.

@magdalenebenson5780

4 жыл бұрын

Wow that’s amazing, but wait a minute, 25 years ago I installed a 10kW Victron inverter providing completely bumpless switchover from mains to battery and back again. Back then the batteries were lead acid but at a fraction of the cost of L’ion.

I did this stuff years ago, with no feedback to grid, just upgraded batteries/inverters/charge-controller/PVs as my grid-bill dropped. Now I'm off-grid. I have a back-up generator just in case (not used it since initial test/installation, except for maintenance/tests). Re-sell inverters/chargers as/if/when you outgrow them, or save one as a back-up. All my Heating/HW is bio/solar/heat-exchanger-storage. One thing I would recommend is separate PV-charger arrays so that if one is faulty/shaded etc you don't degrade all collection. Stupid idea that you 'have to upgrade to 3-phase', you were conned.

Just signed up for a full solar array and Powerwall 2 purely because of this (and the other Powerwall Video you did). Big investment but hopefully well worth it. Cheers Mr Llewellyn. 👍👍😃

Tesla is one of my favorite companies to watch out for, especially with the supercaps aquisition of Maxwell and the rumors around the Solid state battery. However, for a house battery going on Lithium Ions isn't what "clean energy" is about. Because we dont need to safe weight or room specificall for that application it would be nice if you covered an episode on a sodium Ion battery built for a house, such as greenrock. My parents actually just installed one in their new house. I haven't seen it personally but I would love to see what those are capable of. Most importantly, can you cross over systems with the Tesla grid lock with systems like that...

@tSp289

2 жыл бұрын

The real switch will come when home-based batteries become 'stupid not to' level tech. We don't need it to be small or light, we need it to work and last. Na-ion might be the answer to that.

One thing not mentioned on the video is the house circuit split across the phases. How have you set this up? PW is a single phase device. Are these both on one phase? If so, have you split your house circuits so “essential” loads are on this phase and therefore backed up with other phase loads going off in the event of a power cut?

@stephenshumaker8444

4 жыл бұрын

Great question, I second this. Typically this is done with a 'critical loads' sub panel, but they didn't show anything like that.

@mdg4664

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Shumaker There were 3 panels there marked up DB1, DB2 etc but no explanation of circuit balancing.

@chrisjardine7406

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, we did film this but it looks like it didn't make the edit! The Tesla Powerwall gateway only backs up one of the 3 phases. We have Roberts house run off the backed-up phase. The car chargers, and hot water top up are not backed up and are on phase 2 - if there was a power cut you wouldn't want to dump the stored power into a car. Phase 3 is being reserved for Robert to do V2G in future.

@salokin1

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisjardine7406 Is the solar array on the same phase as the house? Or does he now have two separate arrays on different phases?

Here in Melbourne Australia, we are running 2X power wall 2's fed by 10 kw of solar (26)panels. Since the second power wall 2 has been installed we have not used any grid supply for 2 months during Spring. The entire system is running on a single phase.

Brilliant! Thanks! Great explanation!

Frank Grimes was such an influential engineer.

Electric driving is just great...

@4TheRecord

4 жыл бұрын

Great for the consumer but still very bad for the environment.

@briandowling8372

4 жыл бұрын

@@4TheRecord BETTER for the environment than ICE vehicles

@greatscott9231

4 жыл бұрын

@@briandowling8372, you speak the truth. Because BEVs are so insanely efficient, even with a 100% coal-fired grid there's less CO2 than with an ICE vehicle. Besides, the grid gets cleaner and cleaner, and could in theory hit zero CO2, while ICE vehicles have pretty much gotten as good as they'll ever be.

@SandwichMitGurke

4 жыл бұрын

4TheRecord not really. Battery production is about 1 long flight..

@eDriver

4 жыл бұрын

@@4TheRecord Electric vehicles are always better than ICE. ok, if you just count the production, without driving, the ICE is slightly better. But to be truth, why you buying a car, if you don't drive with it? All studies showing, that electric cars are way more environment friendly, even if you power it with 100% carbon produced electricity. The only who say it's better to use fossil fuel cars are the dealer, because they are not earning that big in selling a new car and they earning almost nothing in maintenance. And the gas stations and mineral oil companies also prefer internal combustion cars, because they are not earning anymore. Just don't be stupid and let you brainwash by these companies...

Congratulations on flattening the curve!

I also have the goal of importing nothing during the early evening peak. I've been achieving it since mid 2017, with a 1-phase SolarEdge system. It has a feature called a charge/discharge profile, which I've got set up to fill the battery from the grid between 3pm and 5pm. Simple but effective.

Me: Buy a burger, refer a friend, get a free burger. Be happy! This guy: ............

Oh dear, just spotted Proteus fuseboards in Roberts house. In the trade (I’m a spark btw) they’re known as the cheapest of the cheap. I wouldn’t have that kit in my house. I wonder if Robert knows his installers are using cheap Chinese rubbish?

@hellviper944

4 жыл бұрын

Also Dr. Chris Jardine was incorrect on his single phase description. Single phase has 2 hots and a neutral. If you are going to install this stuff you need to know about electricity I would think!

@wonkaredits3327

2 жыл бұрын

I was just going to say the same, decent install let down by proteus DB’s. They try to glam them up here by making them sound posh, pronouncing it Pro TeyUs ! 😀

I never heard of a Tesla Powerwall before watching this video. Thanks for the post..

Very clever stuff Robert !! well done sir

the handover is just long enough that I'd still get a small UPS for things like my internet router, but otherwise, thats pretty painless

@taylorlightfoot

4 жыл бұрын

The handover confuses me, because installations done in North America, the handover is uninterrupted. Is this a restriction from some regulation in his country or is it a faulty installation?

This is cool, I can’t wait to have these in my house. Hopefully the energy density increases when I’m able to afford a house.

@michaelmcmenzie6928

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly it's about a 100 grand for what you're looking at if not more it turns your house into a miniature power plant ridiculous warning don't let your kids get near it it could kill them

@HGSuper

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcmenzie6928 the incoming supply looked quite low down the wall but the rest of the installation was immaculate. What aspect are you worried about?

My dream comes true! Congratulations from 🇵🇹. Perfect video.

So jealous of this install, very clean