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@koalo6955

3 жыл бұрын

the planet partners reminds me so much of the worlds in the oasis from ready player one

@FrankFromAcc

3 жыл бұрын

I saw this pop up, 'oh seems interesting'....'Oh shit...Quinns?!' needless to say i didnt even know you had a video game channel in addition SU&SD!

@cheesypoohalo

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, found this in my recommended. Very high quality video and good journalism for a game I've literally never heard of, I'm checking out your other works now :)

@metallsnubben

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrankFromAcc Used to make Cool Ghosts with Matt too, but I think that's now only Matt's thing?

@letmeeatmypizza5302

3 жыл бұрын

game looks like garbage, and the developer is clearly garbage. Therefore, I will clearly not play it.

"Is your game gambling?" "I fell off my bike"

@lilyliao9521

2 жыл бұрын

biking is a risk therefore game is not gamble

@hh126

2 жыл бұрын

HEY DISCORD GUY REMEMBER YOU BEING COW IN POLY’S SERVER

@r3ked272

2 жыл бұрын

@@hh126 no i'm a bagel lol

@ahedgehog9297

2 жыл бұрын

“The Weather sure is nice today.” “That is very cool, but do you think you game is gambling”

@DAFPvnk

2 жыл бұрын

"Is your game gambling?" "Everything is gambling. Not my game though"

"Is your game gambling?" "Isn't everything a gamble when you think about it?" "So your game is gambling too?" "No."

@dylanwelch1485

3 жыл бұрын

All things are things but this thing is not a thing

@mrman991

3 жыл бұрын

Someones trying to stay in their grey lane so they dont have to pay proper tax and can continue to weasel

@Iwatoda_Dorm

3 жыл бұрын

mrman991 clearly... I can see why he has to act that way, it’s practically his pay and job on the line if he missteps by completely admitting to a full gambling operation. And I _SERIOUSLY_ don’t want to just get a person’s rando perspective on what is rng and how it can/can’t be okay. Good on him for getting an interview with a person about this _ehhhhhh(shady)_ strategy/platform.

@SpoonOfDoom

3 жыл бұрын

I thought you were exaggerating, but now I've watched the video and that's actually how that conversation went. Amazing.

@GyroCannon

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly would have no problems with their business model if they were up front about "Yea our game ultimately is gambling because you can have profit or loss by playing it" But nope, lots of inconsistent arguments that try to frame their game in a way that can skirt government regulations

"Is it gambling?" "I can't admit that or we would be legally classed as gambling."

@SacredDaturana

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the vibe I get. He 100% knows his game is a gambling game, but for legal reasons he cannot say that on the record or it puts his company on the hook.

@user-py7qh8bn8s

2 жыл бұрын

@@myopiczeal nah cmon he aint dissonant hes just in denial lol

@brkr78

2 жыл бұрын

@@myopiczeal I agree with Anarchy - they know, he knows. But admitting it would open the floodgates to all sorts of regulations and banns in place for gambling - which are there for a good reason, mind you, and I very much disapprove of circumventing these regulations simply by claiming it isn't gambling. One can't be realy surprised, when taken the lack of actions by lawmakers and lawenforcements into account, that companies like EA tried to sell lootboxes as not being gambling. Why wouldn't they try it? Robox and Entropia have shown that you CAN get away with it if you are somewhat low-profile about it.

@nangotoman9429

2 жыл бұрын

exactly! It is obvious how he chooses each word and how each sentence is assembled so that it cannot be misinterpreted (in a possible court trial)

@iceneko9170

2 жыл бұрын

is it a gambling game though? Itd be hard to answer immedietly, especially when theres legal weight behind your words. its following a very narrow minded view to see an mmo as gambling. the people *chose* to put in their own money. but at its core it's a skill based game - you can grind yourself up. the only difference here is players can earn real world money. and expect a return.

Everyone talking about all of the mental gymnastics in that interview but can we mention how he went full force with the questions and didn't hold back at all, I appreciated a lot.

@shadowyzephyr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I noticed he wasn't letting the CEO off the hook at all. He didn't say it all at once, he was able to spread out his points over the questions as well.

@Kinglink

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to give props to both sides. It's VERY clear where both sides were coming from and the CEO didn't ditch five minutes after he started with the discussion of gambling. Most of these scum would be like "I no longer wish to be interviewed" And disconnect. So kudos all around...

@ecksluss

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to independent journalism. Mainstream journalism we wouldn't typically see this.

@xiamdamagedx

Жыл бұрын

Right?? Like I just found this video after watching a few others and he not only tried to manipulate him with empathy(getting hurt after saying life’s a gambler) but also lying that it’s not a gambling game just because they hide the word gambling with partners and investors..

@kaibotski4939

Жыл бұрын

I thought the CEO was also quite reasonable. No one wins when the players go bankrupt. We have to focus on some self responsibility. How would someone who isn't an adult transfer money into the game anyways? Maybe I am old school, but I could only use credit cards to get anything when I was in my teens in the late 90s early 2000s.

I can't wait in 2 years to be mining virtual coal in vr for $2 a day

@komiks42

3 жыл бұрын

African country simulator?

@alecfleming373

3 жыл бұрын

We are closer than you think... You'll be at home driving a mining robot for $2 an hour.

@ambermoon1341

3 жыл бұрын

*The future is now*

@alecfleming373

3 жыл бұрын

@@ambermoon1341 as is the past. This ever draining second is all we really have...

@dangehret1349

3 жыл бұрын

Look up some info on venezuelan gold miners in Old School Runescape. The world is wild.

"Is your game truly a gambling game?" "No, It's more like risking to earn money" "So it's gambling then?" "you keep coming back to that"

@Dom-cq8pw

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is with the definition of the interviewer of gambling - the stock market would be considered gambling. The difference between investing and gambling is that investing has a way to mitigate losses for example if your property in this game loses value you can choose to sell at any point. With gambling you can win it all or lose it all there is no inbetween. The fact that the games developer doesn't try to compare his game to investing is weird to me because it would be really easy to argue for it.

@wailinwook

Жыл бұрын

@Telleva I think the key phrase there is “if it ever does”. You are essentially gambling on the stock eventually going up, just as you are on this game making money vice losing. The developer’s logic does sound scummy, but is nonetheless fairly sound. By the criteria provided, anything you wanted to consider gambling, would therefore be gambling simply because you consider it so.

@tudoproductions

Жыл бұрын

@@wailinwook If it's known that the company presents solid products with solid profits the stock will rise naturally from interest, for example Coca-Cola, Apple, Samsung, other big companies like that. Gambling in the literal sense of the word means a risky investment and there are stock on the market that are not risky at all, you can have an idea that Google, Apple, Samsung, X amount of companies FOR SURE won't go bankrupt in the near future much less tomorrow. If you put your money in entropia you are nearly guaranteed to loose it, just like in a casino.

@wailinwook

Жыл бұрын

@@tudoproductions you’re never “for sure” going to make money on the stock market. Stocks are just rich people gambling, just like this game is poor people gambling. I never said the game wasn’t gambling. Just that his logic makes some sort of sense wether you like it or not

@PanjaRoseGold

3 ай бұрын

@@Dom-cq8pw Man, I dunno how to tell you this but investing is just gambling that capitalism has primed you to believe is normal and healthy for anyone but the 1%. The stock market *is* gambling, pure and simple.

The developer being interviewed should get a gold medal for mental gymnastics because damn

@wannabefoleyartist9635

2 жыл бұрын

Dodged that question faster then they dodged the law

@TheGrandexeno

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, you just witnessed how a seasoned conman behaves

@simonthekindcutthroat6324

11 ай бұрын

I think he does have an actual point. Obviously he doesn't want to use the world gambling for legal reasons, but I think the case with EU is: You CAN just purely gamble like in a casino, of course, but that's not what the game IS in it's totality. You can very very easily just play EU as a subscription MMO, pay 10, 25, 50 USD a month, whatever you can afford, and just go off hunting or mining on that budget. You are aware your money will run out, and it's not a reasonable expectation to "hit it big" or even end up at a zero sum. It really is more like a choose your own adventure, subscription MMO, with the option to gamble, gamble big in fact if you want, but you don't have to. It's a very difficult position to communicate effectively though, without attaching words to your company/game you don't want to be used against it, especially since a lot of people DO decide to gamble.

@jessh4016

10 ай бұрын

@@simonthekindcutthroat6324 You can literally say the same thing about slot machines. "You can very very easily just play the slots as a subscription. You know, pay $10, $25, $50 a month, whatever you can afford, and just play on that budget. You are aware of your money will run out, and it's not a reasonable expectation to quote hit it big quote or even end up at a zero sum."

"Do you consider Entropia a gambling game?" "No, absolutely not, it's just *legal term extremely relevant to the gambling industry*"

@PeidosFTW

2 жыл бұрын

"also I fell off a bike last week so if you could be a bit more empathetic that would be appreciated. Also we changed the minimum required age to 18 because we are totally not a gambling platform"

@ZELTYY

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeidosFTW the bike statement was not to garner empathy. it was to represent how life and all the decisions you make is a gamble

@PeidosFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZELTYY dont care dudes still owns a gambling company

@Pes._

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeidosFTW so instead of using his own words against him you stoop to his level and misrepresent him, cause thats how you destroy an ideology or industry/business. Helpful idiots like you is why we are always on a downward spiral nowadays.

@PeidosFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pes._ I didn't misrepresent him, if you think he said that as some kind of metaphor then you're naive.

"Is your game gambling?" David gulps with anxiety. His self-tanning lotion had stained the button-up he had on in the club the night before. He wishes he had gotten some sleep. He began to think he was ill prepared for the occasion... He took a deep breath and said, "Well, life's a gamble really...". There it was. He had done it! crisis averted.

@Skullkan6

2 жыл бұрын

I love how I paused right when this happened to see if anyone else was that stupid not to notice it and nobody was.

@misero1444

2 жыл бұрын

This is like a line from Disco Elysium

@matheusrocha7293

2 жыл бұрын

@@misero1444 My liege, this man is clearly lying with the purpose to make you lose the point.

@anti-spiral159

2 жыл бұрын

@@misero1444 More like an NPC would say in Oblivion

@BornaMisetic

2 жыл бұрын

internet historian type paragraph

"Is this gambling?" *"3 weeks ago I broke my collar bone because I took the bike instead of an car so that was a gamble which also means it's a skill"*

@gamingemail769

3 жыл бұрын

You know, I thought that what you wrote was going to be an exaggeration of what the developer wrote but nope... That’s what he says. Right here. 15:38

@elsasslotharingen7507

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan-DTS Doubt it, he wouldn't make as much money in politics.

@elsasslotharingen7507

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan-DTS Given his performance here, he'd be of immense help... to the other side.

@timothymclean

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan-DTS Didn't he say he was from Sweden, or am I misremembering? I don't know what UK law says about foreign citizens taking public office, but I wouldn't count on the Tories to be the first party to test it. They allied with UKIP for a reason.

@karhu96

3 жыл бұрын

He literally can't legally say that it's gambling. Any admissions made can be used against him in court in case there is a big landmark case that changes the interpretation of the law on "online gambling".

You know what else is a skill-based game? Poker.

@James-de7ge

2 жыл бұрын

lmaooo

@f1shyspace

2 жыл бұрын

No

@Azeria

2 жыл бұрын

@@f1shyspace by the same legal definition, it is

@iceneko9170

2 жыл бұрын

but, is it possible to go into poker and grind yourself up slowly, and expect a return? no. its clearly just a skill based game. and it would just be another stale mmo that someone can put money into. but the difference is, theres a return for your time and/or money spent. so, yes, you could compare it to poker. but theres a fallacy mixed in there somewhere to call this gambling by that definition. ... its closer to a low paying job you can put money into to increase your salary XD

@Azeria

2 жыл бұрын

​@@iceneko9170 Except, you cannot expect a return in this game, on average you will always lose money. If anything, it's possible to be good enough at poker that you actually can gain money, which is not the case here at all. The entire reason this legal distinction exists, is because of the gambling industry. If your defense is gambling legislation, you're probably a gambling company.

"Is your game a gambling game" "You gamble everyday being alive and doing anything" "Does that include playing your game" "No" is probably the best thing I'll ever hear that infuriated me equally as much. Might as well ask the kid with his face covered in chocolate what happened to your chocolate bar.

@TheAsurazero

2 жыл бұрын

By that logic the only time you're not gambling is when you play Entropia🤣

I liked the interview. Q: "Is the game gambling?" A: "Yesn't."

@DivineLight661

3 жыл бұрын

might as well said "perhaps" and ended the call

@cyprus1005

3 жыл бұрын

@@Boof_dQw4w9WgXcQ i think it should be "well no but actually yes"

@MALAK901234

3 жыл бұрын

It was funny but it was a pretty terrible interview with loaded questions. Not that he didnt deserve them they are very valid but if journalism is what he's going for he was waaaay too biased. Again, very fair points but this game is more interesting than just "the devs are exploitative assholes".

@dextercruise7026

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyprus1005 "well yes, but actually yes"

@ThisFinalHandle

3 жыл бұрын

Domer?

Jesus, this developer interview is so tough to watch. You can really see the cogs turning in his head - "how do I not admit that this is gambling..?"

@marcsles

3 жыл бұрын

At least its for 18+, Fifa isnt and you dont even get a return XD

@YadonTheCat

3 жыл бұрын

He probably can't say there's any chance involved for legal reasons

@mrman991

3 жыл бұрын

I get the impression he's pro-brexit too, which makes me think he's just a greesey scumbag who found a loophole to open a casino

@pm5296

3 жыл бұрын

For a second I thought he was trying to turn the interview into a Brexit debate.

@mrman991

3 жыл бұрын

@@pm5296 bloody EU, saying my casino is a gambling game.

Gotta love that guy's roundabout way of saying "we only do what the law tells us and, so long as it's profitable, we couldn't care less about the morality or ethics of what we're doing. Oh, and if those laws ever start to turn, you know damn well we're going to use every trick in the lobbyist's handbook to ensure they don't change."

@Grizabeebles

2 жыл бұрын

The way he kept hitting the phrase "skill-based game" made me realize that Entropia is designed to function like the carnival games along the midway at a fairground. The kind of game that has had a reputation for being rigged against the player and bilking suckers for money for well over a century.

@eneco3965

2 жыл бұрын

No shit, that's every company ever

@amyglynn6827

2 жыл бұрын

@@eneco3965 just because every company does it doesn’t make it okay. it’s an immoral business practice that needs to be called out

@vullord666

2 жыл бұрын

TBF it's not like this is new. It's actually becoming more prevelant (and kinda terrifying with some large companies pushing NFTs). Also, NGL, he isn't wrong, just very obviously tactful. Everything in life is a gamble and far too much of it is glossed over or glamorized as an "investment". Gaming as a whole is basically telling you to gamble for your fun. Pay for this game or buy this Microtransaction and you "might" have a more enjoyable experience; you definitely won't get any money back. If anything awful return setups and exploitative conditions like this just help to reveal the many many problems with capitalism. Which wouldn't be that bad (not like socialism doesn't have its many problems), if for whatever reason society felt the need to glamorize capitalism as an idea and ignore it's problems or even attack attempts to criticize it.

When I watch developers of these kinds of games talk, all I can hear is, “We’ve handed you a time-bomb, and it’s *your* fault if it goes off.”

@evanm2755

2 жыл бұрын

Nice pfp

My spidey senses went crazy the instant the developers rep came on the screen. I never had a clearer sense that someone is lying in my life. He was tap dancing so hard. He absolutely knows EXACTLY what he's doing. Skirting the laws as close as he possibly can. "Responsible gaming" = responsible gambling.

@brandonsaffell4100

2 жыл бұрын

The ethics of capitalism as work. All the corporation is able to say is "We don't have an ethical stance, and we have gone to the lengths to be ethical as required by law." and "Laws that regulate us are silly and should not be implemented."

@jamesbrincefield9879

2 жыл бұрын

You’re a genius. You should be a detective. I thought he was being genuine 🙄

@chimbo7787

2 жыл бұрын

Who said every time their behavior was fine but still got kicked out of 109?

@josephmatthews7698

2 жыл бұрын

Yup you could tell he just flat out couldn't admit it was gambling because it would destroy his gaming despite outright saying EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN IS GAMBLING! So by that logic your game is gambling then right? Uh.... shit... NOPE!

@angelofdeath275

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonsaffell4100 exactly why the gaming industry needs to be regulated

"Is there a gambling element to the game?" "No! Life's a gamble. I fell off my bike."

@ChannelRandomMy

3 жыл бұрын

🤣😂

@olpizl

3 жыл бұрын

Good comment, had to laugh, thank you!😂

@jbosssenpai3266

3 жыл бұрын

"wow so original"

@luigiymario2xd

3 жыл бұрын

divertion and avoiding the question lmao

@trime547

3 жыл бұрын

That is such a huge mis-characterization of his argument. What he meant is that there are essentially two definitions of what gambling can be and people are often conflating the two. Just like he decided to take his bike to work, thus risking a potential accident, and while it technically could be defined as "gambling your life" that does not mean that it is a negative thing or that it falls under the legal definition of gambling.

"It's not gambling but we changed the minimum age to 18."

@TheFillem

2 жыл бұрын

Last year....

@MainEventHeel

2 жыл бұрын

4 Months ago...... OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Last year.... I guess no one should watch it or I guess it isn't relevant anyone, right Willem, you right Willem, you get'em, got'em, Goodem!

@contone

2 жыл бұрын

@@MainEventHeel r/ihadastroke

@taintedmyth0s636

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised Quinns didn't ask about the reasoning for raising the age, possibly trying to get him into a corner about gambling.

@Jebu911

Жыл бұрын

@@taintedmyth0s636 I think just constantly asking him about is it gambling would have been annoying. Of course the CEO knows its gambling but its obviously not in his best interest to say it in a interview so asking about it 10 times just makes you sound like a douchebag too.

My genuine, most sincere, and greatest respect for going as hard as you did in that developer interview. I could practically hear the whirring of gears as that robot attempted to resolve the inconsistencies of his own argument.

@drakesavory2019

2 жыл бұрын

I thought David was going to shut down the interview at any moment. THAT is great reporting.

@nateosborne7361

2 жыл бұрын

“Skill based” lol

@bobbygetsbanned6049

2 жыл бұрын

It was pretty simple really, the rules around gambling are already defined so they designed the game to make it isn't considered gambling. Regulators claiming it's gambling if it feels like gambling is just because they want their CUT. They don't give a shit about gambling, they just want their damn taxes and regulation fees.

@user-cv3wl5sj1j

7 ай бұрын

he's still a person! A blatantly habitual con person.

"Is Entropia Gambling?" "So..this one time i broke my collarbone.."

@tormodhag6824

3 жыл бұрын

If i was that guy i would rather be honest about it and say that yes, it is gambling, but many players enjoy their time in the game. Also at this point this game is less of a casino and more like a full economical system

@Davineitor005

3 жыл бұрын

@@tormodhag6824 the problem with him admitting that is that a loooot of governments will be coming for their ass to tax the shit out of it, thats why he will not say it

@zaidtaha9777

3 жыл бұрын

classic way to diverge attention from the question.

@justinpearson9170

3 жыл бұрын

Political level answers...

@okay5573

3 жыл бұрын

@@Davineitor005 Yeah, I don't blame him honestly.. I'd rather have this game exist than never having heard of it. It's a cool ass concept however your stance on it is

"So what do you do for a living?" "I sell virtual mankinis"

@CarlBergsdorf

3 жыл бұрын

The future is now

@Eli-ov8rg

3 жыл бұрын

gnome child

@luierdaneenpamper3877

3 жыл бұрын

He's living the dream

@MeF0r3v3r

3 жыл бұрын

@Chem Lazy?? That is dedication and resolve to do all that work to gain currency in any kind. Game or not, it still require dedication and resolve and skills to go professional and invest your time and money on it. It is not lazy anymore but just another form of work.

@warhawk638

3 жыл бұрын

wOoooOaH! A huNDRED AND EIGHTY four!

The interview really shows us how little this ceo thinks about the human beings that they prey upon using their game, it's really just amazing.

@pumpkinclouds3049

2 жыл бұрын

It said previous ceo not current

@LuanHimmlisch

2 жыл бұрын

It's not about that. He's just being legally careful

@joshuarickards2595

2 жыл бұрын

There is a lot to this game that the guy who made this video doesn’t know. There is a way to play this game to maximize return and minimize loss, the skill system in the game, while raising the cost per shot etc also raises the return. There’s skills you train specifically to increase loot returns. As much as this game is gambling, at its very core and from the people who have played it since it released there is a LOT of knowledge of the game that if you possess you can play this game at least breaking even if not profitable.

@Washeek

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuarickards2595 So it's like poker then? If you have higher skill you can influence the rng to be more favorable. Still sounds like gambling. You must understand, gambling has a pretty simple definition you put money in and hope based on some RNG that money comes out higher. And yes, by this definition even trading bitcoin is gambling (as has been voiced by many a seasoned investor)

@andrewstandley7668

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuanHimmlisch I don't think that defense holds here. David was given a very easy question about concern for player welfare. "If the value of items in the game crashed for reasons outside the control of the studio, would you be concerned for your most invested players." There is no legal reason I can think of to not say "Yes, I'd be concerned for everyone invested in the game, the players and the developers." David's answer clearly shows a complete lack of empathy on his part.

I have to say that the subtle references to the UK gambling awareness slogans is amazing: "When the fun stops, stop", "Play responsably". It's kinda funny that the developper didn't pick up on those!

"We've been looking into lootboxes." Of course you have, David, of course you have.

@WistrelChianti

3 жыл бұрын

Worst thing about the loot boxes is that they can't be opened without buying keys for real money off the website. Almost everything else in game is for sale in the game... hmmmm....

@maevetoons

2 жыл бұрын

*surprise mechanics

@flagondragon1854

2 жыл бұрын

@@maevetoons okay EA

@hairymcnipples

2 жыл бұрын

... wasn't the fact that you can't cash out whatever comes in a lootbox a big part of the reason it was decided it shouldn't be legally considered a form of gambling?

At first I was like "this is cool, I bet he's going to softball like every other interviewer" Then I was like "holy shit this madlad is the most savage fucking straight to the point and finding the truth guy I've ever seen"

The interview was painful to listen to. He describes how the game is gambling in like 10 different ways, just to say “no it’s not gambling”

@wulfkriger3356

2 жыл бұрын

No, seems like he explained the difference between a gamble and gambling. Flying in a plane is a gamble, playing the lottery is gambling Driving to work is a gamble, cards with stakes is gambling. There is a difference. Everything in life is a gamble, that doesn't mean it's gambling

@Argusthecat

2 жыл бұрын

@@wulfkriger3356 Yeah... but there's a difference between taking a risk getting in an aircraft, and buying a ticket to one of ten different aircraft, nine of which are *going to crash*.

@lilyliao9521

2 жыл бұрын

@@wulfkriger3356 if you invest money in the game you risk losing or gaining more money. (gambling)

@wulfkriger3356

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilyliao9521 sounds nifty. I have a rule not to gamble digitally. Always rigged

@wulfkriger3356

2 жыл бұрын

@@Argusthecat but do I have a parachute/body suit?

"My game is gambling." "So your game is gambling?" "No, it isn't."

- "Is your game gambling?" - "I am legally obligated to say no"

@littlemonztergaming8665

3 жыл бұрын

I would've argued: Magic the Gathering is a card game that sell packs of random cards with an active player market. Excluding the online version, the only way to play is to invest money into cards, enjoy the game [Magic the Gathering]. Then, once you're finished with the game, you sell the cards you've gathered to other players and make some to all your money back. Through this process, you've payed for an experience like any other game or consumable and at the end you're able to sell these cards to make some to all of your money back. Of course, there'll be players that over-invest and players that try to make a profit. However on our side of things, we are just wanting to make a great experience for people to enjoy.

@smashinwatermelons

3 жыл бұрын

@@littlemonztergaming8665 damn they shoulda hired you as the spokesperson lol. Ima call you if I ever get in legal trouble

@rzq100

3 жыл бұрын

@@littlemonztergaming8665 As a pretty hardcore MTG player I can tell you MTG is 100% gambling. Players spend hundreds of dollars on decks so they can win at their local game store and earn store credit. This is how they justify the expense because in a way they often make back more money(in store credit) than they spent in the first place. Of course the opposite can happen as well. I've personally been part of this cycle. I don't regret it cause I had fun and it was a great social experience. It's partly because I understand the risks that I feel this way. I might go back to playing once the Covid crisis is over.

@diegoadriandlc5273

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he could't say anything different because he goes out of business.

@crayder1100

3 жыл бұрын

@@rzq100 That is literally his point lol.

The interview feels like he has a lawyer in the background telling him exactly what to say

@richthedick

3 жыл бұрын

No it doesnt

@cpt.captain6721

3 жыл бұрын

@@richthedick well im open to all opinions if you feel that way then i guess i cant change that but im saying he refuses to say its gambling and trys not to discredit the game by wording what he says super carefully as if a lawyer was in the background telling him what to say now that i explain it it is a little less funny but i hope you still get it

@brosplit

3 жыл бұрын

@@cpt.captain6721 😂

@amzy1496

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the real world, people who are shady are always like this.

@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750

3 жыл бұрын

It was cringe. He sounded scared

When he talks about talking to players that are spending too much its exactly what casinos tell you to tell gamblers when you get hired. Its very obvious that this is a gambling game.

mans straight up replied to ‘is this a gambling game’ with ‘society is a gamble’ lmfao

@someturkishguy8638

2 жыл бұрын

"Is your game gambling?" "Now yuo see, we live in a society"

@asdgreersf

Жыл бұрын

"She isnt 13" "I was just going to get a cupcake" Same kinda vibes we got from good ol' EDP

"But it's skill-based" "Right, but poker is skill-based and also gambling so could your game not be both?" "No, it's skill-based"

@jbosssenpai3266

3 жыл бұрын

"wow so original"

@lilyliao9521

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbosssenpai3266 ?

@jbosssenpai3266

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilyliao9521 i dont know man , that is almost a year ago xD

16:00 "Everything has a gambling aspect in it" "So is your game gambling" "No theres no gambling here"

@thissmithymanga7119

3 жыл бұрын

Thinks hes slick like obi wan these are not the droids your looking for... shit jedi mind tricks

@bmpianovids

3 жыл бұрын

It's like "Technically yes, but legally no". But by the way he was talking, it seems like that would change to "Legally yes" if the devs say that it is indeed gambling, so he has to avoid it really hard. I'm not certain but laws can be funny like that and he talks like that's the case.

@jbosssenpai3266

3 жыл бұрын

"wow so original"

@subrisubrika5652

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbosssenpai3266 who are you quoting?

@jbosssenpai3266

3 жыл бұрын

@@subrisubrika5652 the comment

you can really feel the Ace Attorney music kick in at 18:28

@Nate-bd8fg

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY what I thought! Dude you're dead on

@jazzpear8877

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't need to check the timecode to know what moment you were talking about, but I clicked it just to see that dude panicking again. Poor man did NOT expect to get grilled this hard 😂

@sylvy16

Жыл бұрын

unrelated but love your profile picture

"there's no advantage of us as a company to have people getting them selves into trouble" after the player re-mortgaged their property to spend in your game.

@primalknight

2 жыл бұрын

they literally have a hall of fame for biggest spenders. theres no way they dont prey on susceptible players

@fieldrequired283

2 жыл бұрын

A player that loses their house and job to the game is a player that can't keep feeding them money for the rest of their lives.

@badflamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@fieldrequired283 that implies they give a damn about long term viability. They'd have a fucking laugh if they could squeeze out every single penny from all their players' bank accounts tomorrow, and shut down the game a day later. Capitalism is all about next quarter earnings, not sustainable models. They'd just sing all the way to the bank and then start up their next grift if outright and explicit preying on their userbase was not likely to get them into hot water with the law.

@RX-hb3np

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao yeah.. blame the game dev's for an adult's decision to re-mortgage his house. Can't sympathize with someone doing something that stupid willingly knowingly. Hopefully the idiot uses that as a learning lesson and doesn't do it again

@Supr653

2 жыл бұрын

@@RX-hb3np exactly... how can people blame the devs for the adult persons decision to spend money in this game xDDDD lmao

"Responsible Gaming" are you actually kidding me. That is literally the motto for Gambling, "Responsible Gambling"

@FradFish

3 жыл бұрын

gambling is also sometimes called gaming too

@somnorila9913

3 жыл бұрын

@NihilisticEntropy The same can be said of pyramid schemes too.

@ThisisSigma200

3 жыл бұрын

@@somnorila9913 Only idiots play.

@Toxihex

3 жыл бұрын

Responsibility mechanics

@devforfun5618

3 жыл бұрын

@NihilisticEntropy so idiots also win ?

This is great games journalism. Asking the actual hard hitting questions and putting the dev on the spot because this really is gambling

@Orynae

3 жыл бұрын

Because they aren't a giant publication with many employees to pay, that can't afford to lose a partnership with a company who might stop giving them exclusive interviews and free review copies of games

@AnneWest_

3 жыл бұрын

Think it quite rude, journalists outta be a bit more respectful. Guy kept asking the same question, "is your game gambling?" just phrased differently. Journalists like this just try to keep asking the same question until the interviewee gets mad enough to at least give them partially the answer that they were looking for perhaps by mistake. I think that doing that is just a really underhanded and scummy thing to do.

@grantconnolly4628

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnneWest_ how so? The man being interviewed is clearly lieing about the fact it is not journalism. By re phrasing the question there can be information he drops or be caught off guard. The journalist has every right to investigate and point out the lies this man is telling. What is he supposed to do? Give softball questions and as soon as he says "this is not gambling" move on? The questiond asked a lot are based around law and how it has changed. Imo this is great journalism that is about finding the truth, and bringing it to light. Even by the lack of response from all the different questions we the audience can see through the shadey bs. This isn't "scummy"

@heyitsvikingz

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnneWest_ This is precisely what professional interviews contain though? This game is gambling. the point is to get him to admit it is gambling by rephrasing the question until they slip up.

@dankfatboi

3 жыл бұрын

John Smith that’s my opinion

hahha I actually "played" this game 10+ years ago. I remember collecting sweat and then I decided to "invest" $10 to buy a gun so I could hunt some monsters. I bought 2 guns for myself and my IRL friend, and soon realized that I wasn't making any progress in the game, losses were always bigger then gains. eventually stopped playing.

@hansgichtler9102

2 жыл бұрын

same here, people said you should get sweat to gain enough money for guns and ammo but i had 11k sweat and that wouldn't get me more than a few bullets so i spend 10bucks, bought ammo,armor and a weapon and went hunting those tiny birds. Had a global of 37usd, spend all that on ammo and repairs and didn't find anything worth jack next global i got was again after i spend money again

I just came back to rewatch the masterful interview at the end of the video - one of the best business-focused interviews I've ever seen from games journalism.

@mccmorlickmccmorlick1465

2 жыл бұрын

its pc game industry biggest scam (employees of that company using super powered wpns). That david simonds giving and selling super items to his real life friends. lol lololololo. Glad i withdrew mannnyyy years ago. Gambling addiction :)

Wow, that guy did not seem ready to be asked any of the obvious questions. Fantastic preparation from Quinns on the questions though, you could tell he anticipated almost every answer and had followups. Nice job folks!

@PeopleMakeGames

3 жыл бұрын

This was actually our second interview with MindArk, interestingly. We didn't use the first one as it was with someone from the marketing side of the business and he didn't feel comfortable answering many of Quinns' questions. Afterwards, they suggested we speak with the company's chairman and former-CEO, as he would be the best fit for the topics we wanted to discuss. So yeah, both sides had a bit of practice before that second conversation! -Chris

@3possumsinatrenchcoat

3 жыл бұрын

@@PeopleMakeGames the *second* interview after hearing the questions to the first person and he still wasn't expecting non-fluff questions? that's just crazy to me.

@Iwatoda_Dorm

3 жыл бұрын

Completely applaud being able to shed light on what I’d bet most of the gaming community have not been exposed to.

@kaleighconnery-grigg7709

3 жыл бұрын

@@PeopleMakeGames so... They knew at least of the questions coming into this and actually stayed for longer than the first 2 questions? I was expecting him to hang up. It's insane and so self-involved. Well done.

@jrevoredoi

3 жыл бұрын

@@PeopleMakeGames why don't you ask questions directly to the community? in the forum and in discord we are all. it is more you should create a thread in our forum. ask your questions and then show our answers here. (you even got to interview the best player. his name is messi91. and you could also interview the worst and most complaining player. and do it openly to everyone. why not?)

why on earth did the dev agree to be basically cross examined lmao

@timothymclean

3 жыл бұрын

1. It's a way to get their product and message out there, and even try to defend it against accusations of gambling, on someone else's dime. A marketing dream. 2. It wouldn't exactly look good if they refused to respond to this kind of question.

@jamesfischer8667

3 жыл бұрын

I have no clue, that slime ball shaped human should have realized no one would believe him when he tried to claim it isn't gambling.

@wellesradio

3 жыл бұрын

This video will probably be used in court in the inevitable lawsuit or racketeering case.

@kindgrinds

3 жыл бұрын

Hubris comes before a fall

@ex0stasis72

3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that they didn't require a signed agreement only to cover the agreed upon interview questions.

"is your game gambling" "My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone."

if it looks dead, and feels dead, its probably dead This guy: "absolutely not"

@spaceygnat19908

2 жыл бұрын

possums be like this fool fell for it.

"We do have lawyers" summarized this interview perfectly

As someone who worked in the gambling industry, you're absolutely spot on about "self exclusion". We were told catagorically that we were not allowed to approach someone who was a problem gambler and ask them to consider self exclusion. A gambler had to come to us and ask to self exclude and for how long. During one staff training meeting, a description of someone who was a gambling addict was given to us, and the trainer jokingly referred to them as sounding "like our ideal customers, and they are! But these are gambling addicts" and went on to talk about Gamcare and the legislation in place to protect them and how we could get around it.

@scumnextdoor

3 жыл бұрын

LOL , I gamble maybe once or twice a year with friends and often end up losing all my money (I bring only certain amount of money to gamble and wont go over that number ever) but I dont understand how people can gamble and lose their shit all the time yet still continue to do it.

@tsrenis

3 жыл бұрын

@@scumnextdoor It's called addiction my dude It's in the phrase man; gambling _addiction_

@3takoyakis

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, we gacha player quite friendly with that phrase too Theres someone with insanely bad luck try over and over again till hit the number that f2p would realize how bad the rates are

@valmiro4164

2 жыл бұрын

I learn easily, I lose once, I'm not trying again lmao

15:10 it's amazing seeing a man lobsterize over the course of a minute as he justifies why his online gambling mmo isn't about gambling

@halcyonacoustic7366

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I was watching on 1.25x and it's even more obvious.

@vullord666

2 жыл бұрын

TBF he at least had the balls to come on for an interview where he'd get asked these questions (and probably knew he would). Nowadays you could put nearly every other big company game developer on and ask them about Microtransactions or their in game economy or loot boxes and they'd answer the same way or (more likely) not at all.

We're already playing the most realistic MMO, it's called life.

@Holuunderbeere

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's the problem

@neinherman9989

2 жыл бұрын

Could use a graphics upgrade. It's been ages since they added a new colour.

@mariolis

2 жыл бұрын

The grinding is too hard and repetitive And there is no option to log out while still being able to lock back in...

@innocentboi561

2 жыл бұрын

BOOMER ALERTTTTT jk jk

@jayeisenhardt1337

2 жыл бұрын

TierZoo covers all the latest updates.

“Is this gambling” “It’s skill based” “But there is some gambling that still uses skill” “Yea it’s skill based”

@jbosssenpai3266

3 жыл бұрын

"wow so original"

"So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is it probably a duck?" "Pffft no, absolutely not! That's.. it's such a narrow-minded, uh, ridiculous, to me, statement."

@michaelmclaughlin6124

3 жыл бұрын

Are you Patrick star? yes. Is this your ID? yes. I found this ID in this wallet so that makes this wallet yours. Makes sense to me. So this is your wallet. "Pffft no, absolutely not! That's.. it's such a narrow-minded, uh, ridiculous, to me, statement."

@teakfreeman3543

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmclaughlin6124 holy shit that's gotta be one of the best insulting comparisons i've ever heard/read. my god, he's patrick.

@SKKaelth

3 жыл бұрын

narrow minded statement made by non-biologist people without the proper BASE SKILL to discern what kind of not-duck it might be

@HLmilkcarton

3 жыл бұрын

nah bro how can u say it feels like gambling. bruh people change feelings so fast

@trebucheguevara1052

3 жыл бұрын

Then goes onto blame the EU for a statement from the House of Lords

That "developer" doesn't look like the kind of person who is using any ethics. He just wants a high income lifestyle to spend on vanity and ego.

I have to tell ya a story, I wasn't around when you made this. I used to run a newspaper that sold for 0.05 ped. I figured out the original mining system and figured out how to tell where motherloads would be. I told a newspaper in game that gave where certain resources would be mainly located. And accepted donations of resources if someone hit it big. I kept those resources until they finally changed the mining system. Then of course, resources became more scarce, so I sold them high. And purchased the "stocks" in different aspects of the game. And simply make small amounts of cash each month with those stocks which lets me play without adding money into the game. I haven't really hit it big, but it lets me play for free.

@snaek2594

Жыл бұрын

A lot of trouble to go through just to play the game without spending money.

@TheMothaFuckinDope

Жыл бұрын

That's actually pretty cool. Kind of adds a whole new layer of depth to role-playing.

Quinns: _asks difficult question_ The Dev: _deafening tongue-click of annoyance_

“How do you keep people from paying to much money?” “We have them contact us if they feel they spend to much” Hmmm, kinda sounds like a gambling hotline????

Is it gambling? When you go to school, you’re taking a gamble that school will be helpful later in life But is Entropia gambling? *sorry I’ve got a business call we’ll have to postpone this interview*

My favorite part was the Freudian slip when he said they have lawyers that help them determine what they can and can't do. He straight up said to your face that they go out of their way to tow the line of legality.

“Is the game gambling?” “Its more like a lucky draw which takes skill to pull the lever”

@99sins

3 жыл бұрын

anyone who has played the game knows it's basically a clicker MMO so 'skill' is used very loosely here.

@laszlobandi6456

3 жыл бұрын

advanced psychology and high-level mathematics or even mind reading is a skill, you might not have it, and you go against the odds all the time, but hey it's a skill that would make you better at this game.

@tacob0

3 жыл бұрын

Well he does have a point tho. Ppl dont consider the stock market a casino either even tho it is. Something being considered gambling or not seems more based on the aestetics then on wheter something is actually gambling.

@mcsponge3899

3 жыл бұрын

tacob0 Something to do with gambling doesn’t HAVE to be about a casino. Of course the stock market isn’t a casino, just like how betting on a fortnite game doesn’t necessarily happen at a casino. There is more to investing than it being just a gamble, but if you don’t take that into mind and just put your money into some random stock without any thought, it would be purely a gamble.

@tacob0

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcsponge3899 There is more to poker to, But its still gambling. There is no stock that is guaranteed to do well no matter how much research you did. (research into a company is not nearly as important as buying low btw.) The only difference between the stock market and a casino is that the person gambling in the casino more often did a usefull job to make his money.

You could see the landmine explode in that developer's face with the question about self-exclusion. Oh Quinns, and the rest of the PMG team, you guys do have teeth, don't you! Love it!

@theravenpirate4744

3 жыл бұрын

I loved that part

@zga042

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely, the very existence of self-exclusionary resources means it is gambling or at least addictive and harmful. But it can be tough to get that into words.

@snowframe2995

3 жыл бұрын

could you timestamp this? I can't find it

@zga042

3 жыл бұрын

@@snowframe2995 18:00 😊

Politicians be like: isn’t life itself just a gamble when you think about it

my man giving the devs some hardball questions and not holding back, I absolutely love it

"It's not gambling" "But remember to game responsibly"

@someguy4909

3 жыл бұрын

It's the labels they put on alcohol bottles

@peterbedford449

3 жыл бұрын

GAMER.

Props to Quintin for asking the hard questions no matter how uncomfortable they could be.

@XepptizZ

3 жыл бұрын

To that dev's credit, he did stick it out. It would have been so easy to say "Fuck you, good bye" But yeh, the obvious corporate speak reeks of EA.

@timothymclean

3 жыл бұрын

@@XepptizZ Or, you know, any corporation in any industry. EA isn't worse than other corporations, they just have worse PR.

@XepptizZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean yes, they all want money, but some actually do give a shit about how they get it. This guy and EA don't. I think Rockstar was also pivoting hard and tried to get children to complain to their government to not mess with lootboxes. Say what you will, but there are companies that fought hard for lootboxes and companies that didn't give a shit about them. Lootboxes only take away from the qualities a game should have to be entertaining. Otherwise you didn't actually make a compelling game, you just went for no-effort-addiction mechanics.

Watching this and especially the interview, makes me glad I haven't actually committed to my urge to go back to this game. One big thing I didn't know till now, my character, and therfore all the time and money I put into the game are gone. That would have hurt a lot more to find out while logging back in with the expectation of starting off where I was before.

Absolutely masterful how the interviewer led him into the "responsible gaming"

What I expected: "Hey guys! Check out this game review video that isn't explicitly and ad but I'm going to be very forgiving and charitable to the game! What I got: *Hardcore investigative journalism* Earned a subscriber for sure.

@raruther59

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see actual games journalism given how often I’ve seen IGN give terrible games good scores.

- "Is your game gambling?" - "No, not at all" - "But it's all about paying money for something and hoping to get a higher return" - "No and let me tell you why. I fell off my bike and hurt my shoulder" - "Okay, but this doesn't answer the question" - "It does. If you buy a bar of chocolate and sell that bar of chocolate for the same money you've not bought or sold anything" - "The players even say it's 100% gambling" - "I've already told you I fell off my bike..." - *face palm*

@Luxalpa

3 жыл бұрын

He can't legally say it's gambling because then he would admit that he's guilty and therefore would be open to legal actions. It's just a stupid question to ask.

@no_alias_for_me

3 жыл бұрын

Well he is kinda right tho. Sure, these assets are digital which isn't considered as real physical things in many laws but what he described makes sense. Buying land for the possibility of a higher return in a game is the same as in the real world as long as everyone agrees to the rules of the free market. Real estate markets can crash in real life too so where exactly is the difference? As far as I know there are no real casinos in the game so you can't directly gamble for money. The "gamble" part in the game is the same as in real life where people invest money in risky assets.

@finesser882

3 жыл бұрын

He said he fell off his back and broke his collar bone three weeks ago lmfaoo

@yarnosh

3 жыл бұрын

@@no_alias_for_me Except real life investing has a net positive return on average. There is still risk, but if you diversify you will almost certainly come out ahead over time barring economic collapse. If the odds are stacked against you and the average result is net loss for players, that's not investing. They say most successful wealthy people are actually quite risk averse. This game sounds WORSE than gambling because not only are the odds stacked against you, but you have to put in a ton of work also. So now you have to pit the profits you probably won't make against your time and effort so you will probably lose there too. Imagine if, in addition to putting down $5 to get into a blackjack game at a casino, you also had to mop the floor for an hour. They're basically charging players to maintain the casino. The smartest move in that situation is don't play blackjack at all and just make $0.02 an hour mopping their floors. LOL

@thanhthongdang9290

3 жыл бұрын

@@no_alias_for_me You do realize real estate is still gambling

The interview went like this: "Is your game gambling?" "Real life is gambling as well." "Yeah so you mean it is gambling but so is real life?" "No." And repeat. People can't possible be crazier than this.

“Is it gambling?” “No. It is spending money with a chance of making or losing some”

Anyone who says “we follow the rules and regulations” when asked about the ethical concerns of their product is suspicious at best

@TPkills

3 жыл бұрын

Says anyone who's never made any money besides their minimum wage jobs.

@Mofuwu

3 жыл бұрын

@@TPkills Actually. No. When posed with the question "Is your game Gambling?" Answering "We follow the laws and regulations to ensure it isn't" Is breaking one of Grice's maxims. Specifically the Quantity one. No one asked for laws, and he mentioning laws makes it seem like they are threading carefully between those laws. What he is actually saying is "It is not, legally, in this country, gambling." That's why he then gets mad about gambling laws actually considering games.

@TPkills

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mofuwu well thats your opinion, every one has one 🤷‍♂️

@Mofuwu

3 жыл бұрын

@@TPkills yes but unlike you who made two fallacies in the process of expressing your disagreement, i actually explained mine, and dare i say- quite welll.

@claytonanderson7594

3 жыл бұрын

@@TPkills gotta agree with @Seba on this one, this game is gambling that doesn't necessarily make it bad, what is bad is their reluctance to call it one and how they sell It to players that can be harmful to them.

oh man, what a blast from the past. I played this game maybe 15 years ago (!!) and I still remember mining the sweat off those ugly pig looking mobs in the starting zone, literally scraping the sweat off of a pig to sell. you really start at rock bottom in that game edit: just saw that you still do that to this day, lol

@agamingdog

3 жыл бұрын

"now that I've found a DeSinc comment on a random video, my depression is pretty much over" also hello

@TheVegit0

3 жыл бұрын

que carajo haces aca

@skyr3x

3 жыл бұрын

didnt expect you here

@gabepilled

3 жыл бұрын

Omg it’s thesink

@D00000T

3 жыл бұрын

so you want to go off this video at 45 degrees and then backward accelerate bhop to another random video on the internet

"Everything is a gamble." "So your game is gambling?" ".....No." 🤣

"Is there a gambling aspect to Entropia?" "Well there's a gambling aspect to everything." "So there is a gambling aspect to Entropia?" "No."

Drinking game: Take a shot every time MindArk guy says "skill based".

@Tiziano75775

3 жыл бұрын

You would be dead after 10 mins

@emilmullerv3519

2 жыл бұрын

I mean if you think about it, drinking games are just skill games on how much you can drink, so it wouldn't be s drinking game, it would be a skilled based gsme

@joelambert7128

2 жыл бұрын

I am 100% sure he is repeating that phrase because it has some legal meaning. Makes my skin crawl.

@ohok45624

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelambert7128 I think it's because gambling has two forms or something, luck based and skilled based. Like a chess match with a bet feature on who wins is technically gambling but you can make an educated guess at who will win, while luck based gambling is, well, complete luck. Not sure what the actual laws around it are though, if it's even a legal distinction. Might just a a PR term since this interview is public.

@DevilboyScooby

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelambert7128 the fact he has to keep repeating it makes it clear that no, it's not purely a skill based game, like chess or Call of Duty. It can at the same time be a gambling game-they're not mutually exclusive (poker being a good example) and the interviewee simply dodges the question with some X Factor sob story about breaking his collar bone, instead of just admitting it.

17:34 It is important to point out that although "Right, OK" in the rest of the world means "I understand what you are saying", in Britain it actually means "You are a lunatic and I am a polite, restrained person, who will move on from this regrettable moment".

This man spent so long to never answer a question and we all know what that means when someone does that; an honest answer wont make you look good and you don't want to be caught in a lie so you instead never answer the question and deflect, deflect, deflect. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he had just outright said that "Yes, there is a gambling aspect to it but-" and then went on about how it was more skill based and so on. If they are already "following the laws about gambling" then...why not just outright say your game is gambling? If it isn't then why are you so worried about those laws? I had been considering playing the game, putting in some money and trying my luck but this man taking so much time to not answer the question about "Is it gambling" makes me not to bother with it. Thanks for the video Quinns.

18:30 This sigh right here is the penultimate moment in this interview imo. He finally cans the recursive slippery logic and seems to actually have to think about your question. Phenomenal interview, very well done

"Is Entropia a gambling game?" "Everything is a gamble. I gambled taking my bike instead of a car and broke a bone." "So Entropia has a gambling aspect?" "No" *Closes tab*

Imagine your at a rich party and someone asks you how you got rich, and you respond with "I had a Mankini baded empire in an online game."

@Amanojaku8

3 жыл бұрын

I've been at those kinds of parties, you'd be surprised how similar the conversations were. I met millionaires who'd made their money via baby swimming lessons, selling fruits and vegetables, and importing Coca Cola.

Society: this is gambling Wall st bets: This is strategy

I had tried this years ago. Did the sweat farming thing for a day, then tried hunting with free items. I always wondered why the other planets were so different and weird.

"Is your game gambling?" "So i fell of my bike the other day"

“Is there a gambling element in your game?” *“But my collarbone though...”*

@megaangryjoe

3 жыл бұрын

poor guy broke his collarbone and noone cared :(

@LucasScottMusic

3 жыл бұрын

megaangryjoe lmfaoooo!!!

The interview made me go from "What a novel way of making a subscription service" to "You're a casino shark and you should present yourself as such". I think actually, that business model CAN be ethical. IF the players were well informed and informed early about how it's financed. The statistics gods of MMO-profits can probably still make money reliably but average players shouldn't be mislead into thinking profit is the inevitable endgame if it isn't.

"Skill based game" just like real life, where the skill is having money.

"You can't make money from playing Entropia, but you CAN make money from the players" Ah, the old adage of "During the gold rush, you don't go digging for gold. You sell pickaxes"

"Cash-based" MMO. You mean the stock market?

@XaadeTheBlade

3 жыл бұрын

Not the same. There are fixed stocks, for the most part. With a randomized looter on a timer, there's an influx of goods at a regular rate. Which means it's more profitable to go looting yourself than it is to buy an item. So unless you want a very specific thing, you're not going to buy, lowering demand for selling. Also, since the conversion rate is fixed, it's not really an investment to buy anything anyway. You're at a much higher risk of losing it than a bank, and it's not growing in value. It's directly linked to cash, so it's just cash. If there was really a demand in value for the items, then the game company itself would be purchasing the items as an investment.

@STIR-FRIED-SUBWAY-RAT

3 жыл бұрын

This is easier to get into than day trading for a lot of people. Which is prolly how they got this many players.

@hairystyles4212

3 жыл бұрын

crypto 😎

@VikingMuayThai

3 жыл бұрын

@Filip Nikolic you're talking about maximum range positions. Even small investors can research and get on a mover with a good return.

@bran6573

3 жыл бұрын

@@VikingMuayThai yeah idk what hes talkin about, im a small investor and gained 5% in the last month, just gotta know your stuff

Anyone else see the similarity between the game's title and the word "entropy"? It's almost like the concept of the game is the gradual decline of energy (or in this case wealth) of players over the lifetime of the system (or the uptime of the game's servers). Energy can change forms but is always moving in the direction of increased chaos and diffusion. Think about it.

"So Entropia is completely Not gambling? We have a glass of it, would you take a drink?" "I'd be happy to, though not really. I'm not stupid."

You went HARD on that interview. I really appreciate that.

@xKitKat

3 жыл бұрын

interrogation*

@aramikami

3 жыл бұрын

You really shouldn't appreciate being an asshole to a guy that obviously can't officially call his game a gambling game but still tried to imply that it is

@ImSumGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@aramikami it's not being an asshole if you're being lied to and you call out a lie. Like yeah, it makes the interviewee uncomfortable, but if I'm lying to your face and you call me out, who's the asshole?

@estevanphillips6889

3 жыл бұрын

Like holy SHIT, he went hard. He was completely right of course, but I couldn’t even watch, just had to listen.

@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou

3 жыл бұрын

Yes so hard.... He repeated his original question over and over for 10 minutes....

That CEO's entire lexicon in that interview sounded exactly like conversations at a gambling software studio I worked for. Every single response of his was based on removing focus from the specificity of the question and trying to reduce it to a personal responsibility that for some reason, the people at gambling companies are not also subject to. Gambling companies only profit if you lose more than you win - so in order to entice you in they need to obfuscate the nature of the game as much as possible. That means telling you to "Game Responsibly", like it's a reasonable assumption that playing too much of ANY game will result in you losing your goddamn house. That guy's a fuckin slimeball.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

3 жыл бұрын

If you play too much of any game you can lose your job, and then your house. Just saying.

@chiot2875

3 жыл бұрын

when his response to if its gambling was to completely change subject talking about how he fell off his bike and broke his collarbone.. i was at a loss for words. i'd have hung up the call right there, he's not interested in a debate or honest conversation. anything he'd say is probably on his website already, vetted for assurance.

@QueryBuns

3 жыл бұрын

SMOKE AND DRINK RESPONSIBLY

@PlaylistGeneral

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD yes but that's like saying drinking alcohol isn't any worse than any other drugs because if you consume too much of anything you'll also die. You're distracting the topic from your actual point, by making the subject of debate more broad and vague. We're not talking about playing any game, just gambling games. The comparison proves nothing.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

3 жыл бұрын

@@PlaylistGeneral "We're not talking about playing any game, just gambling games" - "like it's a reasonable assumption that playing too much of ANY game will result in you losing your goddamn house"

My man took TWO letters off the phrase "Responsible Gambling" and thought he was being slick

I love how his last words were "responsible gaming". I wonder where I've heard that term before.

"We contact people who spend too much." So you check on them like a casino employee and (I hope) refer them to gambling addiction resources. How is the game itself not gambling?

@jimsmith3715

3 жыл бұрын

I just commented that it would probably just be an ego boost to big spenders, giving them bragging rights

@gyroninjamodder

3 жыл бұрын

Gambling is not the only money spending addiction. For example you could get addicted to a P2W game or get addicted to donating to streamers online.

@jimsmith3715

3 жыл бұрын

@@gyroninjamodder no one said it was the only one

@gyroninjamodder

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimsmith3715 The OP suggested that since you can get addicted to something that involves spending money like you can at a casino that the thing is also a casino.

"Responsible gaming" the executive says. Odd how thats a slogan you hear a lot in casino commercials.

@Sarimae23

3 жыл бұрын

Because it is. Its not others holding a gun to your head,, that you have to Sell yer moms house, is it ? Teake responsibility for your own life back, and dont blame others. Thats chiulish and weak. And if you think yu ARE weak, which is totally ok, then maybe look for help in a professional manner ? A psychatrist, or a siacial worker etc ? Thats what i often experience : People are no ok with giving themselves a status, they have. People are weak, sometimes, and thus, need help. But that does not mean, others are responsible for the weakness and should "take care "or "act respnibly". Noppe, thats not how life works. Never. Nowhere.

@ragegames_6766

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarimae23 Can you shut up lol no one cares

@lycan022

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarimae23 true but if it was labeled as gambling, it would be way more regulated which it should be. They're just trying to stay in their own lawless little world where they can do what they want.

@trumpetperson11

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarimae23 The point is not that it shouldn't be allowed to operate, but rather that it should be regulated and advertised as the thing that it is. Players should know that what they are getting into is gambling rather than some kind of investment. But that is not how it is being advertised.

@lukeklo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarimae23 man i can tell you typed that with rage because of the spelling

Some incredible journalism here. As a lot of people have already mentioned in the comments, massive respect to you for the interview and asking very difficult but fair questions

great work on the video! loves the question that got him to stop and think hard about what to say.

PMG: "But you have literal casinos in the game." Reply: "No, they're called gambling hotspots." PMG: "Sorry."

wow I've never seen a guy get slaughtered in only 2 questions. "Is this gambling" "no it's clearly skill-based" "poker is skill based but still gambling" "uh...................."

@mattball8622

3 жыл бұрын

Quinns doesn't miss when he starts swinging!

@harrywagstaff6331

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely not a good idea to start a conversation on game taxonomy with Quinns.

@Balsiefen

3 жыл бұрын

*starts rambling about Brighton*

@seditt5146

3 жыл бұрын

@snowboarderforlyfe You're kidding right? Poker all skill. I have taken 30 cents on 888 and turned it into 1000s, that happens because it is a skill based game.

@crunch9876

3 жыл бұрын

Poker isn’t gambling though. It’s the only game in the casino that isn’t. (Technically also blackjack with card counting but casinos don’t allow that)

"Well, everything is a gamble" "So this is a gambling game?" "No"