Can You Instill The Will to Kill and Die in Soldiers? - Jocko Willink & Tim Kennedy

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  • @WookieRaider
    @WookieRaider3 жыл бұрын

    "Because I'm highly trained." Great answer.

  • @fernandorazo9987

    @fernandorazo9987

    3 жыл бұрын

    That needs to be a t-shirt 😂

  • @dashiit1748

    @dashiit1748

    3 жыл бұрын

    This has to be the funniest Jocko clip ever!! 😂 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln5ntY-FeZraiqg.html

  • @ericrichardson8155

    @ericrichardson8155

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know great answer and look at how serious he is.

  • @jonathanramsey8508

    @jonathanramsey8508

    3 жыл бұрын

    Echo is a Madlad

  • @alexandereisen3486

    @alexandereisen3486

    3 жыл бұрын

    Would have been better if he said “because I have a certain set of skills”

  • @clgmafnas
    @clgmafnas3 жыл бұрын

    "Cause i'm highly trained..." 😂🔥

  • @user-si4uv1bz7q

    @user-si4uv1bz7q

    3 жыл бұрын

    The discipline it must of taken to not bust out laughing is indescribable.

  • @SquadJuiced

    @SquadJuiced

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@user-si4uv1bz7q This proving his statement true. *Gasps*

  • @Jayyy667

    @Jayyy667

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SquadJuiced did he learn to dodge led, various explosives, chemicals and guerilla warfare though?

  • @miguelrojas4549

    @miguelrojas4549

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sure pal . You wouldn't last a minute against this guy's this guy's are killing machines just because you trained doesn't mean anything.

  • @thetwaige7482

    @thetwaige7482

    3 жыл бұрын

    Shit made me burst out laughing

  • @thesoultap5361
    @thesoultap53613 жыл бұрын

    Not sure whats better,, Echo saying "Because I'm Highly Trained " or Tim brushing him off with "You Are" 😭🤣🤣

  • @internet_internet

    @internet_internet

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol

  • @rayray7244

    @rayray7244

    3 жыл бұрын

    Saw the comment before I saw that part in the video. Then saw the part in the video. Definitely my favorite moment! 😂🤣

  • @svetu9411

    @svetu9411

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Non Person Maybe he is a psycho

  • @chrismac1507

    @chrismac1507

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Non Person damn I didn't even peep that holy shit

  • @xay6361

    @xay6361

    Жыл бұрын

    Lolll it's even funnier cuz they didn't bust out laughing

  • @joshuahaley4367
    @joshuahaley43673 жыл бұрын

    “Because I’m highly trained” takes some balls to say to a navy seal and green beret

  • @ericbeauchamp7385

    @ericbeauchamp7385

    3 жыл бұрын

    not when you're also one lol

  • @oscarsvgs

    @oscarsvgs

    3 жыл бұрын

    GHB 711 u sure about that?

  • @hillbillylivesmatter2608

    @hillbillylivesmatter2608

    3 жыл бұрын

    GHB 711 you do know who echo is..

  • @EdHorlick

    @EdHorlick

    3 жыл бұрын

    GHB 711 fuckin relax man

  • @EdHorlick

    @EdHorlick

    3 жыл бұрын

    GHB 711 for sure, my apologies.

  • @jasonbailey9302
    @jasonbailey93023 жыл бұрын

    As an Infantryman with two combat tours, I can unequivocally say that you can teach a man to kill, but not everyone can kill a man when given the chance. The NCOs in my platoon in OP. Just Cause we’re about 60/40 on freezing up and not performing. These were great garrison soldiers, but terrible combat soldiers. They were terrified to die, so much so that they stopped leading soldiers and caused lower enlisted to take over. They abandoned their posts and men. In Op Desert Storm, our LT. got my platoon together, told us he was scared and would be behind us during the assault. Cowardice trumped his training, Oath and responsibility to his soldiers. You can teach killing, but you only find out who has the will to kill when it’s time to return fire. My humble opinion.

  • @BlacksmithMMA

    @BlacksmithMMA

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the insight, it's very interesting to hear. Apparently in ww1 the British high command were horrified to discover that 9 out of 10 soldiers did not shoot to kill or even aim at their target. Killing a human being is actually not very natural. In the hunter gatherer societies conflicts would cause death but rarely immediately, death would come from infection after the conflict with sides disengaging from the conflict because real casualties started. The Romans were extremely war like but even they understood that battle was extremely stressful because to kill you are putting yourself in danger of death, even if your adversary is unarmed there is always a chance that they may be able to kill you as well so it makes sense that many simply would choose to not kill given the chance. Also societal bonds are very important to humans so killing each other has been very taboo for a very long time which factors into this behaviour.

  • @pinakidutta2885

    @pinakidutta2885

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BlacksmithMMA same in vietnam war , the young guys would not shoot at the enemy. It's a problem but once you see your guys getting hit left and right generally that mentality change for MOST of them.

  • @robinmartin7643

    @robinmartin7643

    3 жыл бұрын

    Should have joined the Marines

  • @jasonbailey9302

    @jasonbailey9302

    3 жыл бұрын

    While the LT would be mid Platoon during a patrol, he is supposed to lead from the front. Meaning figuratively, instead, he tells us he’s scared and will hide in back of us. Unacceptable.

  • @briancasteel1222

    @briancasteel1222

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know your pain.

  • @bimscutney1242
    @bimscutney12423 жыл бұрын

    You know Jocko shed a fatherly tear on the inside when Echo said “Because I’m Highly Trained.” Echo puffin’ up!👍

  • @jeremyj8736
    @jeremyj87363 жыл бұрын

    This conversation reminds of a quote by GK Chesterton who said, “A true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.” The greatest ethic is indeed love. Gentlemen, thank you all for your service to this great nation of ours and may God bless you and your families!

  • @kekistanimememan170

    @kekistanimememan170

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jeremy J what is the opposite of fear Love.

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    2 жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third world vote stuffing and mail in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    Жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep-like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third-world vote stuffing and mail-in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @lanagorgeous9485
    @lanagorgeous94853 жыл бұрын

    Echo Charles................."Cause I'm highly trained"............... love it :)

  • @CainnechK

    @CainnechK

    3 жыл бұрын

    D'lish Donut He said “you are” first

  • @CainnechK

    @CainnechK

    3 жыл бұрын

    D'lish Donut Thats because Echo was joking lol

  • @rahadban6442

    @rahadban6442

    3 жыл бұрын

    The volunteer soldier is essential to the American way of war. To give up the expectation of one's life to achieve a greater, ostensibly humanitarian, objective. A conscript is forced to risk their life, they are hostages and captives of their ruler. Americans idealy do not have rulers and never ought to, they grant figures of the public and volunteer military positions of authority to carry out American ideals at home and abroad. The American soldier does not require a will to kill, nor the stocism to die, only do what is rightmost given the knowledge and resources at hand. When an American soldier fights, their goal is not to kill, but disable the enemy's capacity to fight, they put their lives and honor on the line to stop an enemy force and its soldiers from continuing the fight. A soldier is a weapons platform and guidance system encoded, programmed, with a fighting ethic. US soldiers, the most successful, and I rate success not by medals, or ranks, or victories on paper passed across a desk, those who are successful in our eyes are the ones that most exemplify the Moral Fighting Ethic. Death happens as a necessary consequence of war and breakdown of politics that leads to armed conflict. But we do not seek out Death as a desirable end, Life is what we seek in war, for ourselves and our enemies, even as we hurl death at each other across that abyssal gulf of the killing field. Our bullets are labelled, "To Whom it May Concern, My Condolences".

  • @will7919
    @will79193 жыл бұрын

    HIGHLY TRAINED

  • @davidlavalleejr
    @davidlavalleejr3 жыл бұрын

    “Can you instill the will to kill” sounds like a lyric in a metal song

  • @SirGuidemere91

    @SirGuidemere91

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤘🏻

  • @Vagitarion

    @Vagitarion

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or a movie. "Can you instill the will to kill Bill?"

  • @hawtsauce2471

    @hawtsauce2471

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Yeeeeeooohohohh" Drums going ham in the background

  • @salal-abdullah3571

    @salal-abdullah3571

    3 жыл бұрын

    A Megadeth song

  • @arn6376
    @arn63763 жыл бұрын

    - Stone faced - Because I’m highly trained.” - “You are.” Hahaha LOL 😂

  • @leonidas6452
    @leonidas64523 жыл бұрын

    Echo is about that action

  • @chzzyg2698
    @chzzyg26983 жыл бұрын

    I was just a low level Infantry soldier that hardly saw any action, but I had no worries about killing or death. It was all about protecting the guy next to me. Sure, I didn't want no part of either, but I had no fear of stepping up to the task if necessary.

  • @nunyaargo9629

    @nunyaargo9629

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's the mentality that all of us troops should have. I always tell ppl the ultimate God complex is having the control over someone's life and death at the 10lb trigger squeeze. But, we do it for the right reasons instead of the wrong ones.

  • @treelee2602

    @treelee2602

    3 жыл бұрын

    The power of friendship

  • @catt99mahal8

    @catt99mahal8

    3 жыл бұрын

    Regardless, you’re still our American hero! Thank you for your service soldier. 💪😎

  • @mjolninja9358

    @mjolninja9358

    3 жыл бұрын

    chzzyg269 saw our boy breakdown having his first shot

  • @dashiit1748

    @dashiit1748

    3 жыл бұрын

    My absolute favorite Jocko clip!! 🔥 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln5ntY-FeZraiqg.html

  • @DOOMLORDHOKAGE
    @DOOMLORDHOKAGE3 жыл бұрын

    Echo charles was having NONE of that lol

  • @joshua4625

    @joshua4625

    3 жыл бұрын

    MINDSET. Kill switch always engaged. Go time, all the time

  • @RohannvanRensburg

    @RohannvanRensburg

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshua4625 What? No, this is terrible. If you're in the orange all the time you'll be dead by 45. You need to learn to flip that switch on and off whenever it's necessary.

  • @jarodguidotti5903

    @jarodguidotti5903

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rohann van Rensburg dude said he’d kill him and he’d just take it lol

  • @kellenhietpas7349

    @kellenhietpas7349

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshua4625 Yeah, man.. maybe you should stay home lol

  • @joshua4625

    @joshua4625

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kellenhietpas7349 This is the comments, you're taking it way too seriously

  • @williamraven7376
    @williamraven73763 жыл бұрын

    Echo charles is the type of dude that talks and the whole room shuts up and listens

  • @ClassyJacket
    @ClassyJacket3 жыл бұрын

    everybody talkin about echo charlie but nobody talkin about that synchronized "...yeah" at 5:25

  • @nathanjohnson7419

    @nathanjohnson7419

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol cause I didn't watch that far in vid

  • @c9hr0ni4c
    @c9hr0ni4c3 жыл бұрын

    1:08 such a gangster answer Echo.

  • @JimmyNaraineOfficial
    @JimmyNaraineOfficial3 жыл бұрын

    “Coz I’m highly trained” is the comeback of the year!

  • @remedy-1879
    @remedy-18793 жыл бұрын

    I’m so proud of my service. You hit the nail on the head when you said we protected children. To tell you the truth the things I can’t shake involve what those monsters did to kids.

  • @leadimentoobrien1221

    @leadimentoobrien1221

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are not killing people. You are killing sub-humans.

  • @thisisseaurchin9089

    @thisisseaurchin9089

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@leadimentoobrien1221 your killing humans

  • @keithsimonh
    @keithsimonh3 жыл бұрын

    The volunteer soldier is essential to the American way of war. To give up the expectation of one's life to achieve a greater, ostensibly humanitarian, objective. A conscript is forced to risk their life, they are hostages and captives of their ruler. Americans idealy do not have rulers and never ought to, they grant figures of the public and volunteer military positions of authority to carry out American ideals at home and abroad. The American soldier does not require a will to kill, nor the stocism to die, only do what is rightmost given the knowledge and resources at hand. When an American soldier fights, their goal is not to kill, but disable the enemy's capacity to fight, they put their lives and honor on the line to stop an enemy force and its soldiers from continuing the fight. A soldier is a weapons platform and guidance system encoded, programmed, with a fighting ethic. US soldiers, the most successful, and I rate success not by medals, or ranks, or victories on paper passed across a desk, those who are successful in our eyes are the ones that most exemplify the Moral Fighting Ethic. Death happens as a necessary consequence of war and breakdown of politics that leads to armed conflict. But we do not seek out Death as a desirable end, Life is what we seek in war, for ourselves and our enemies, even as we hurl death at each other across that abyssal gulf of the killing field. Our bullets are labelled, "To Whom it May Concern, My Condolences".

  • @bthomas2782

    @bthomas2782

    3 жыл бұрын

    This has to be the craziest Jocko Willink clip ever!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln5ntY-FeZraiqg.html

  • @keithsimonh

    @keithsimonh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @mikeh065 none of what I said is against your complaint

  • @keithsimonh

    @keithsimonh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Cole i think the LE apparatus is in criminal breach of the laws and our rights, but I don't hate cops and thinblueliners even though I think they're evil by way of delinquency- he doesn't like the shitboxes our soldiers get tossed into for the sake of less-than-American geopolitics, as do i I mean, yeah, they do good, they do Amazing, with the situation we, as the People, have put them in, that doesn't make the situation good tho.

  • @danielpickrell8311

    @danielpickrell8311

    3 жыл бұрын

    As a combat veteran during active duty my job was to kill enemies. And we trained proficiently on the tools given to us and we are always ready to die, get hurt or live in every firefight. There is no philosophy except Soldiers Creed, Infantrymans creed and bring the fight and to the kill the enemy.

  • @keithsimonh

    @keithsimonh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@danielpickrell8311 so long as you keep the Oath, you can color the idealism how you like, I won't dictate how you keep the faith and promise of the Republic, only that you keep it.

  • @catt99mahal8
    @catt99mahal83 жыл бұрын

    “Thanks God I had very good snipers”. Evil has to be dealt with. Someone has to take out the garbage. I thank God these guys are on our side. 💪😎🇺🇸

  • @oscarsvgs
    @oscarsvgs3 жыл бұрын

    1:10 love it😂😂 “because im highly trianed”😂😂😂😂

  • @hellletloosegameplay6119
    @hellletloosegameplay6119 Жыл бұрын

    Tim Kennedys autobigraphy was the best book I ever read. Jocko u should write one too!

  • @BlakeLovesPoland
    @BlakeLovesPoland2 жыл бұрын

    “Because I’m highly trained” 🥶 echo gave this answer with certainty instead of ego, it makes it so much colder

  • @drcaduceus
    @drcaduceus9 ай бұрын

    Dave Grossman's "On Killing" and "On Combat" are excellent reads on this subject.

  • @gabewassner7498
    @gabewassner74983 жыл бұрын

    Id love to come on your podcast and give a ‘civilian’ perspective. Been a cop for 27 years and SWAT for 23 of the 27 years. Fantastic job as always. We just talked about this topic (killing, etc) the other day. At training. Keep up the god work

  • @tristan3630
    @tristan36303 жыл бұрын

    Echo is the man for that answer lmao

  • @mralvarez9438
    @mralvarez94382 жыл бұрын

    I could listen to that man say because I'm highly trained daily. The conviction in his voice I love it. I love that type of confidence!!! 1:11 your welcome

  • @lukeblankenship8424
    @lukeblankenship84243 жыл бұрын

    Lol Echo said, “you don’t want this smoke”

  • @t18amgr
    @t18amgr3 жыл бұрын

    Its wired into every creature on earth. The military peels the layers away. Thank god they do. Bless.

  • @Its6string
    @Its6string3 жыл бұрын

    Thank You guys!!! I’m sorry you had to go thru all is that BS-but I respect you & I don’t how to thank you enough?’!?!?! You’re awesome☮️

  • @chrishandsome4267
    @chrishandsome42673 жыл бұрын

    Damn these guys talk about some deep sh*t. I love it

  • @chrishandsome4267

    @chrishandsome4267

    3 жыл бұрын

    GreyFiveNine nah screw you, I’m keeping them

  • @daviderhahon

    @daviderhahon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sure. They've been through shit. Yet, they remain sane.

  • @TheDhammaHub
    @TheDhammaHub3 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't there an observation during WW1 that soldiers mostly shot next to people to avoid hitting them? I thought that right after most military facilities decided to train away the threshold to kill.

  • @NoblesseObligedCP

    @NoblesseObligedCP

    3 жыл бұрын

    One thing to remember about ww1 is though is the draft. There were thousands of people who didnt want to be there. Now we not drafting its a total volunteer military so the mindset is different too.

  • @bthomas2782

    @bthomas2782

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yo this clip of Jocko is too funny 😁 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln5ntY-FeZraiqg.html

  • @sergiotheg1736

    @sergiotheg1736

    3 жыл бұрын

    I would try to kill them because i want me and my buddies to live. If you dont kill them they will over run your position and kill you.

  • @renaissanceredneck3695

    @renaissanceredneck3695

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was after that study that the military began using man shaped targets instead of round "sporting" targets. And really began focusing on the psychological reasons why soldiers were intentionally missing their targets or just not firing at all. I could be wrong but, I think it was also after this that they began the "battle buddy" stuff to get the soldiers to bond more effectively prior to engaging the enemy. We all know that the guys you bleed with become as close, sometimes closer than family, who wouldn't kill for their family. People always are throwing out that tired line "I would die for my kids!", Ok Karen, but would you kill for them? If they were starving and the only way to get to food is through another human, could you do it. When you are out into life or death situations ALONE you will behave one way. But when you have someone that you value wether that's your child, or your team mate, with you you behave differently. That same study showed that heavy machine gun teams, I think 3 guys to a team. They would engage the enemy more often than the individual soldier did. Just my take on it.

  • @gabrielnicholls2000
    @gabrielnicholls20003 жыл бұрын

    Much love n respect guys

  • @shawnulrich7750
    @shawnulrich77503 жыл бұрын

    This was such a deep conversation. This conversation has alot a value the average Joe can take from it. Yet we talk about Charlies pun

  • @roderickborst7835
    @roderickborst78353 жыл бұрын

    The book On Killing from David Grossman go's into great depth about the mindset and why so few people actually kill/able to kill or even shoot people in general going back to the musket times. If i remember correctly this book is also required reading at Westpoint and some other military places.

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    Жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul-like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep-like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third-world vote stuffing and mail-in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @rykerquackenbush585
    @rykerquackenbush5853 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Again. And again. And again.

  • @skubz81
    @skubz813 жыл бұрын

    Jocko, Echo Charles and Tim Kennedy is a perfect combination.

  • @zeshanhm
    @zeshanhm3 жыл бұрын

    Have Tim and Jocko and Goggins on the same podcast and it’s all over. WE AINT READY

  • @MrJJacks7

    @MrJJacks7

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't think Goggins and Jocko like each other very much. Goggins wasn't really popular in the Seal Teams

  • @travistaylor6110
    @travistaylor61102 жыл бұрын

    One of the greatest and deepest conversations that's ever been had on this podcast and people miss it completely bc of a joke. As Kennedy said: different side of humanity.

  • @phillipbailey275
    @phillipbailey2753 жыл бұрын

    The willink to killink

  • @FINALLYOUTAFTER6
    @FINALLYOUTAFTER6 Жыл бұрын

    “Because I’m highly trained?” HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the way he said that….

  • @juancarloaguilar9598
    @juancarloaguilar95983 жыл бұрын

    Seems like they are the new generation of spartan soldiers when it comes to their hard trainings and experiences in war. Damn they are great! You are lucky to have those kind of guys in your country.

  • @coleencastro246
    @coleencastro2463 жыл бұрын

    Protecting your buddies and not getting killed is a good incentive

  • @jsmithsemper4848
    @jsmithsemper48483 жыл бұрын

    I cannot imagine seeing men strapped with explosives using children as shields. Makes my stomach touch my ears just to think about seeing it. Thank you for your service. 😔🙏🏼🇺🇸

  • @jsmitty4675
    @jsmitty46753 жыл бұрын

    Echo because I'm highly trained lol got love it I feel bro

  • @akxyl1497
    @akxyl14973 жыл бұрын

    Echo Is a way for jocko to see different points of views from a civilian perspective that he may not think of and I think we should all respect that for the reason he is trying to find a perspective that everyone can understand at least a lil bit and hopefully find common ground on

  • @michaelriddick7116
    @michaelriddick71163 жыл бұрын

    Lt. Col Dave Grossman's books "On Combat" and "On Killing" are excellent references on the methods that are used to break down that humanity in service to be able to kill the "enemy", and the ramifications of those methodologies beimg used here at home :( Amazing books.

  • @keithsimonh

    @keithsimonh

    3 жыл бұрын

    But those training methods don't break down your humanity, it creates an interruptor switch that taps the fight/flight reflex and allows a soldier to react to a threat faster. You're letting the limbic system respond with a greater degree of flexibility to a fighting environment. Same thing happens in martial arts, the mind might strategize about the fight or take high-order planning between sets of strikes, but a trained fighter is letting their body do most of the heavy lifting while in the thick of it. Practicing murder and rapine is how you break down humanity and make a combatant willing to kill. That's what other forces do. ED: Grossman's major complaint about video games is that they utilize this interruptor switch training without the context of military discipline. The brain is conditioned for kill-seeking behavior and point-getting with no ethical or heirarchical framework underpinning it.

  • @KazzArie
    @KazzArie3 жыл бұрын

    Pretty interesting thing I read from the first few chapters of On Killing by Grossman was how so many soldiers (throughout several wars not just US wars) intentionally shot over others’ heads to NOT kill the other soldiers. It’s hard, or WAS hard with older style training, how to train people to kill other people.

  • @Tungchano

    @Tungchano

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's always hard. That didn't change. What did change is that we've become desensitized due to the enormous amount of violence in movies and even on TV. War is the worst any human can do to another. There's never a good reason for war.

  • @KellyHill-gg9xr

    @KellyHill-gg9xr

    6 ай бұрын

    I heard that same thing. Also during the civil war they found muskets that the barrel was completely filled with wading and musket balls because they were fakeing shooting. They also started making targets in human form instead of round to instill shooting at humans. It's really not hard to understand,a person is told not to kill and killing is wrong their whole life ,for 18 years they are told this then they get 8 weeks of training to try to break that out of their consciousness.

  • @joecalao5485
    @joecalao54853 жыл бұрын

    Jocko’s life is the personification in many ways. That’s why I am here.

  • @troy791106
    @troy7911063 жыл бұрын

    More Kennedy Jocko conversations great great stuff

  • @Ernesto_Gonzalez
    @Ernesto_Gonzalez3 жыл бұрын

    Great Speech Guys.

  • @TeamDouglas
    @TeamDouglas2 жыл бұрын

    The closed captions on this are a real ride...

  • @JanVansteenlandt
    @JanVansteenlandt2 жыл бұрын

    People living in the desert: Apperently I can't say I'm feeling hot.

  • @mmasanjose4087
    @mmasanjose40873 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to go out and protect freedom!! That statement gets my adrenaline going.

  • @mwhitelaw8569
    @mwhitelaw85693 жыл бұрын

    People may hate on us for what we do in places outside our own. But the narrative has shifted How we do things outside our own country Makes the difference It's warriors like these men here That inspire that change

  • @deanlewis190
    @deanlewis1903 жыл бұрын

    This is the only joco podcast I've enjoyed

  • @ryankolb4814
    @ryankolb48143 жыл бұрын

    My man was ready for that question lol Echo Charles about to throw hands!

  • @soldieroflife4449
    @soldieroflife44493 жыл бұрын

    So much truth in this video. Most I'll hear, but can't begin to understand.

  • @garstenray2832
    @garstenray28323 жыл бұрын

    Watching this was wonderful sidenote I now know what colorblind seems like

  • @mikepazzree1340
    @mikepazzree13403 жыл бұрын

    I’m a FMF Corpsman. Stuck in a hotel room on a dive trip in the Philippines. I saw a documentary on Aquino and his death at the airport. One of the politicians interviewed stated that the military surrounded him. He stated “ Remember that soldiers are all trained to kill ! “ I was gobsmacked by that comment. Though FMF HM’s don’t go to SOI , but the Corps teaches us restrained bloodlust. The operative word , restraint.

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    2 жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third world vote stuffing and mail in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @Tugz301
    @Tugz3013 жыл бұрын

    Massive respect ✊ those stories are hectic

  • @pmh1nic
    @pmh1nic Жыл бұрын

    All you need is the right motivation. I was teaching an edged weapons self-defense class. A woman was invited but said "I could never stab someone". I asked her if she had a knife in her hand and someone was trying to rape her daughter would she use the knife to stop the attack. She realized at that moment she could stab someone. I think that touches on Mr. Kennedy's point about needing to know beauty to understand ugly.

  • @EmetGyms
    @EmetGyms3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @jamesfoster437
    @jamesfoster4372 жыл бұрын

    That echo guy's response tho, without missing a beat.

  • @thatguy.7573
    @thatguy.75733 жыл бұрын

    True Modern day Warrior Patriots! Rah! God bless!

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    2 жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third world vote stuffing and mail in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @jlbrebels
    @jlbrebels3 жыл бұрын

    EC “Because I’m highly trained” 👌🏻 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ChefMompoloki
    @ChefMompoloki3 жыл бұрын

    "cause I'm hugly trained" 😂😂 let em know Echo💪🏾🥋

  • @MysticMac96

    @MysticMac96

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jocko trained Echo in BBJ and earned his black belt from Jocko. Tim is a black belt in BBJ UFC fighter and a Green Beret Sniper so I would say Tim is more highly trained person not taking anything away from Echo but pump your breaks.

  • @Yeah_na
    @Yeah_na3 жыл бұрын

    What other podcasts do we listen to while we wait for the next Jocko podcast?

  • @Mobilewoe
    @Mobilewoe3 жыл бұрын

    This made me love Echo 50% more

  • @itstheiceman11
    @itstheiceman113 жыл бұрын

    I believe whenever you join the military (any branch) you have to accept the facts that you can die and that you will see and do some crazy shit that the majority of people will never do in their lives. I know what helped me get through the fear of dying was I accepting the following outcomes. 1.) Death is a natural part of life. 2.) If you die as a civilian nobody will know or care for your existence but if you die in the military you will be remembered forever. 3.) If I die I want my life to mean something. (Fight for a cause greater than myself.) That helped me. On the killing side well any animal will fight for its life if pinned up in a corner or if its life is threatened. My mind overall in the military (U.S Navy) was I’m going to do whatever it takes to survive and get home safely no matter the cost. Luckily I don’t have to do it anymore but I do have a greater appreciation for life and my views of the world are different because of it.

  • @spencerwinston4334

    @spencerwinston4334

    2 жыл бұрын

    Without a respect for the leadership or the reasons why based on history, logic, and critical thinking, not sure why anyone would want to be facing the howls of war or special ops position for some ghoul like Brandon or that mtf "man" pretending to be a woman with huge man hands and ferocious eyes Pelosi? Why, why, imo, that's not courage or bravery, that's just sheep like reaction. Let the misleader earn respect based on open fair elections, not third world vote stuffing and mail in rigged counts, seeming irregularities in "computer software" and leaders promoting Austrian School of economics and Lockean freedom and strict Constitutional principles. Otherwise, why would anyone go into combat for beady eye Marxist tyrant, Constitutional trampling Brandon and the botox lizard man mtf Pelosi. Play Call of Duty instead as a video game or Ghost recon, but Brandon objectively only merits the Fighter Pilot salute, the proverbial middle finger for trampling the Constitution.

  • @mvubu6823
    @mvubu6823 Жыл бұрын

    The history of all wars show that only a few men do the vast majority of the killing in battle.

  • @ratsojr1671
    @ratsojr16713 жыл бұрын

    Want to say thank you. I was a tech but I understand to a point what you guys talk about. the comments i see from people are miss informed . i appericate the podcast.

  • @nunyaargo9629
    @nunyaargo96293 жыл бұрын

    Showing us how to do the job efficiently, but still be able to be human

  • @cypresshill8329
    @cypresshill83293 жыл бұрын

    Except for preplanned direct action targets; engagement is autonomous. Direct options are autonomous after initiation. Initiation is autonomous as one knows you are saving lived. I humbly offer. With respect

  • @cypresshill8329

    @cypresshill8329

    3 жыл бұрын

    Delete “saving lived” insert “saving lives”

  • @schroed90
    @schroed903 жыл бұрын

    Hey Jocko, anyway you could do a reaction to the “first Medal of Honor captured on video”? And go through in your words what was happening during the video? Just a thought. Keep up the good work.

  • @JohnSmith-ei6sc

    @JohnSmith-ei6sc

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jocko wouldn’t do that because the seals and Air Force had a big fight about that one. The seals tried to block John Chapman’s medals of honor. Brit slabinski basically lied straight up about what happened. Anyways yeah jocko isn’t going to touch tht one.

  • @erikagardea8334
    @erikagardea83343 жыл бұрын

    The only disagreement I have with Tim’s assessment is the idea that enemy combatants are “not the same humans”. Like it or lump it enemies are just as human as we are. Careful not to dehumanize your enemies as that is how atrocities occur. Warfare is not all killing and dying. Not all enemies will die and not all enemies will stay enemies. To his earlier point though, there is a relation to your enemy as a human being that must be put in broader perspective. Life is not all war nor all peace. It’s not completely good and it’s not completely evil, and because of this universal reality, in order to maintain that balance, evil must be addressed aggressively and as a result people parish. In the law we like to use the “But-for Rule”, meaning that but-for the existence of X, Y would not have occurred. When in the execution of war, unfortunate circumstances will occur, whether there were mistakes made or not, however it’s best to look at the X, and understand that but-for whatever the cause may have been, these things wouldn’t have happened, because you can be a man of war and still respect human life.

  • @mikedudley9975

    @mikedudley9975

    3 жыл бұрын

    He's speaking specifically about the people that will hide behind their own children or put a bomb on their child and send them to enemy lines and detonate the bomb, not all enemy combatants. He didn't say they weren't human, only that they weren't the same type of human. Some might argue that the acceptance of tactics such as using children as living bombs is an atrocity. I think that they are talking about exactly what you are saying, they are men of war who respect human life and love people. That's why they do what they do.

  • @jacobhogue3449

    @jacobhogue3449

    Жыл бұрын

    They arent the same humans. He didn’t say they aren’t human.

  • @johngalt9989
    @johngalt99893 жыл бұрын

    It's not about the will to kill or die. It's about the will to do what has to be done, and to bear the cost of doing so, whatever that may be. You just pray that you can keep your humanity, and look St Peter in the eye with a clean conscience when your time comes.

  • @adaml4842
    @adaml48423 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed this clip, powerful stuff they're talking about, I can only add that they're is a totally different culture and belief systems on the other side of the world, and I think that a lot of them are doing it out of their beliefs. They are very passionate but they're passion is aimed in the wrong direction.

  • @themjohnsons
    @themjohnsons3 жыл бұрын

    “It’s not the same type of human that we are.”

  • @czaralexander5156

    @czaralexander5156

    2 жыл бұрын

    they are humans just sick twisted humans for sure

  • @martinbrinley1725
    @martinbrinley17252 жыл бұрын

    Echo Charles on form.. brilliant 3 man team

  • @dv2033
    @dv20333 жыл бұрын

    Austin Texas, so is Tim going to be a regular on JRE in the future?

  • @jayfry7191
    @jayfry71913 жыл бұрын

    Yes. Echo is highly trained. And I love Echo. My boss always made fun of me when I went to martial arts training. He said “I bet you can’t stop my bullet”. No. I cannot.

  • @AndyGarcia-sk8yf
    @AndyGarcia-sk8yf3 жыл бұрын

    God these rooms seem so fucking intense

  • @digitalphoenix72
    @digitalphoenix72Ай бұрын

    People dont consider the effects things like these have on the officers. Like he said, "This isnt Afghanistan, i live just a few miles away". This isnt combat, combat can already be very traumatic to some people, but even for seasoned veterans, home isnt warfare... its not black and white. I encountered combat seasoned veterans when i was working search and rescue/recovery operations in my home town after one of the worst natural disasters in US history, and those veterans struggled just as much as i did. 10 years and its still unresolved for me, and i know some of those veterans i worked with still struggle as i do with the images burned in our minds of the families and children we were too late to save... granted, a natural disaster and having to take a life are two very different things. But if ive seen soldiers struggle with what i struggled with, it has to be so much more severe when youre the person forced to take the life. We all probably say the same "if its me or him, im taking them out in defense", which is rightfully protective, but there will be an emotional toll on the survivors, including our family members if we ever have to protect them. That's why I love this channel, similar to Joe Rogan, you show life isnt black and white, and that nuance is of tantamount importance.

  • @MrRoman-lo6ih
    @MrRoman-lo6ih3 жыл бұрын

    im new to the channel. What is Echo's background? Seal too like Jocko? or?

  • @robiwamae2222
    @robiwamae22223 жыл бұрын

    Waoh amazing

  • @raychen2900
    @raychen29003 жыл бұрын

    I wish American politicians shared the same level of idealism and patriotism that these men did.

  • @czaralexander5156

    @czaralexander5156

    2 жыл бұрын

    they really don't care just act like they do

  • @BirdsOfGlass
    @BirdsOfGlass3 жыл бұрын

    Tim is one of the best.

  • @JamesValentineBaja1000
    @JamesValentineBaja10003 жыл бұрын

    It's all about the humanity

  • @tjphysical4548
    @tjphysical45483 жыл бұрын

    Mentally strong warriors.

  • @TheMikeFranzonePod
    @TheMikeFranzonePod3 жыл бұрын

    great!

  • @VladTepesh409
    @VladTepesh4093 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff.

  • @timwalsh7287
    @timwalsh72873 жыл бұрын

    Really good.

  • @sublimechimp
    @sublimechimp3 жыл бұрын

    What I saw when I looked at this thumbnail: I N S T A K I L L

  • @mltn8890
    @mltn88903 жыл бұрын

    Echo "because I'm highly trained" Charles

  • @cpt.tryhard6554
    @cpt.tryhard65542 жыл бұрын

    Nailed it!

  • @Zakrox99
    @Zakrox992 жыл бұрын

    Killing in war is easy. Killing on home turf is hard.

  • @deBrawnyo
    @deBrawnyo3 жыл бұрын

    I'm in a phase where I'm watching all these podcasts and KZread videos, combat footage and stuff on KZread dreaming to join the military but it will always stays as a dream because I am a polydactyly (six fingers on one of my hands) and I'm automatically not qualified. Honestly feels bad.

  • @RohannvanRensburg
    @RohannvanRensburg3 жыл бұрын

    "Without a correlating nihilism" Such a good question. Almost every warrior culture had some version of balance in philosophy, the biggest being Bushido and Chivalry. Both codes were meant to keep warriors open to beauty and to ensure they didn't become absorbed in violence.