Thank you all for all the views these last few months! I hope this video, as well as my others, have helped those on the fence to consider the crazy world of VR. Things really are changing at a crazy speed.

Wow, that "dog barging into room" sound effect was super realistic

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Lol. When your dog crashes your recording 😂

@MastrMario

8 ай бұрын

It's not guaranteed to happen to every Quest user. But that's what makes it so realistic

@iam4everBot

8 ай бұрын

I ripped my headphones off and looked around my room to see what was going on. lol

@albo181

8 ай бұрын

My cats' souls temporarily left their body

@chepulis

8 ай бұрын

@@albo181 all 9? nice touch

Let me save you 5 minutes. You can, but you won’t want to. I tried it for a week and lasted a couple of days. It’s so much less convenient and comfortable that’s there is just no point. It’s a tiring experience.

@johnsonluk3468

8 ай бұрын

So Apple VR will fail unless it is going to be so much more comfortable than Quest 3.

@TheLillianYoung

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@johnsonluk3468Apple VR appears to do this the right way with higher resolution. The Q3 IMO is like a proxy for the real deal.

@TheLillianYoung

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. I tried and wanted to love it. I did some editing and 3D in Immersed with the QPro a couple of times but found my physical Ultrawide monitors to be better. I do however anticipate Apple Vision Pro.

@shashwatkauraw8085

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

@kharis9120

8 ай бұрын

Ty this someone actually try it. I got a question, my current monitor is old like really old is it better to buy this or get a real monitor? Edit: my monitor is about 15ish years old, still using VGA but using adapter HDMI to my pc

You can actually make it so just your keyboard is passthrough and everything else is virtual. You do that by first choosing a virtual environment, then you go to settings. then you enable keyboard or desk passthrough

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Found this the other day and it's great for immersion in a quiet space. Great for focus

@charleskavoukjian3441

8 ай бұрын

Its so-so with accuracy though. I tried it and the keyboard would be slightly off a letter, or would disappear if I sat to close to the desk.

@mistermystery5197

8 ай бұрын

@@charleskavoukjian3441 did not experience that for me personally. I think the passthrough option was actually pretty accurate. It could be that you might potentially have a faulty headset, or maybe just a lighting issue.

@TheKdcool

8 ай бұрын

I really searched for this and didn't find it. Where is this setting located?

@mistermystery5197

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKdcool my mistake. Yes you're right, enabling desk passthrough isn't found in settings. It's found on desk itself. Explanation below: What you're going to do is after you setup your desk in vr, you're going to look down at the desk. On the bottom right of your virtual desk, you'll see 2 icons. One of the Icons looks like an eye. When you hover your controller/finger pointer over this eye icon, it'll say "desk passthrough". Clicking on this icon will enable/disable desk passthrough, allowing you to see your physical keyboard in real life. I know you didn't ask for the other icon, but I'll explain for those curious: The other icon enables and disables the virtual desk "whiteboard". You can use the whiteboard to draw and write notes. Let me know if that works for you

I really wish Microsoft would collaborate with Valve and update Windows to support completely freeform window scaling in VR, so if you're in SteamVR you could have any program open as its own floating window and instead of it merely being a screen capture of the desktop (which tends to break when there are other programs in the same screen), it'd be an actual window in VR you can make as big as you want and place anywhere

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

This would make a huge difference, the fact that this is not the case is where Microsoft's dropping the ball and going to get left behind

@t-o-r-u-s

8 ай бұрын

@@bc_labs I think Microsoft is a bit afraid because last time they pushed for a form-factor revolution (a touch-screen/tablet revolution, times were different in the 2010s...) with Windows 8, it ended up being one of the most infamous versions of Windows... even though I personally quite enjoyed it.

@zeekjones1

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Valve is abandoning Windows. All the stuff about SteamVR updates... I'm convinced they are going to expand upon their version of Linux for all XR.

@abeidiot

8 ай бұрын

valve? steamvr is not some standard unlike openxr. Even in steamvr, most updates are for openxr support and linux compositor for their unreleased headset

@t-o-r-u-s

8 ай бұрын

@@zeekjones1 Valve's position on Windows has been clear for a very long time -- I don't think they ever liked it, and Gabe himself has given some presentations on why Windows sucks... ironically, in one of said presentations, his Windows machine bluescreened. Self-explanatory, I guess...

I have been looking for exactly this kind of video!!! If it could become a virtual desktop eith multiple displays, I would completely buy one!

I have a Q2, but upgraded to the Q3 for pass through and a virtual office. I have tried Virtual Desktop and Immersed and love using Immersed because I get 3 virtual monitors (up to 5) and pass through for wireless kb and mouse. Not perfect but I would say 85-90% amazing. I am now working like this most of the time. So much better than the Q2. I develop software and this is a game changer for me. So pleased with the Q3 for this purpose.

@hamiltonjohn5592

8 ай бұрын

What is the benefit of seeing passthrough vs looking at the screen in real time?

@dudemannxs

8 ай бұрын

@@hamiltonjohn5592 so I have a laptop with external monitors in my home and office but I work all over the place remotely and wanted to be able to have a 3 monitor setup everywhere I go. The 3 virtual screens look better than my real monitors. I can also scale them up and down. It’s not a perfect solution, but it’s pretty good and I can deal with the quirks for now. Working in a hotel with 3 giant monitors floating in space is pretty amazing.

@Llamu

8 ай бұрын

@@hamiltonjohn5592you don’t have to buy 5 monitors

@harrasika

8 ай бұрын

​@@hamiltonjohn5592 more monitors

@AVworld.

8 ай бұрын

@@hamiltonjohn5592 lol

Thank you for this quick review on the Virtual Monitor option in the Quest 3. I've been looking around for a good device for virtual monitors on the go.

Looks pretty good, I've been a longtime user of Virtual Desktop with the quest 2 as an attempt to replace my monitors. The virtual monitor quality is acceptable in most cases, but the passthrough leave a lot to be desired. Seeing this gives me hope that I might actually be able to effectively use the quest 3 as a productivity device.

@spok22s

8 ай бұрын

I had trouble with the quest 2 as a productivity device due to the resolution but also the bulkiness of the device. Quest 3 has been excellent on both fronts.

@screener0797

8 ай бұрын

Might also be a good idea to check out immersed as well.

@JoshuaWriter

8 ай бұрын

The Quest 3 device is the only device where I can actually work in VR/MR. I tried the Pro and the passthrough wasn't good enough to see my keyboard, the Q3 has great passthrough in a well lit environment. Like really good, I can fully see my keyboard and even text on my phone.

@pa1Z

8 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaWriterYou will be blown away by the passthrough of the Vision Pro. (Not saying the product is good)

@JoshuaWriter

8 ай бұрын

​@@pa1ZI agree and would love to see it when it comes out but for $500, gotta give it up to Meta for such quality at this price. Interested to see the new Visor when it comes out too.

Thanks for this. I do some tinkering in Unity and could definitely use a couple more screens for the game and timeline windows. I'm gonna give it a try.

The quest 2 was a gift, but I've never experienced technology like this. It was game changing, discovering resident evil 4 on this was like me when i first discovered video games just life changing. I instantly wanted more but the apps are very limited unfortunately, there's so much potential if tech and gaming companies would support this more, i can't wait to get my hands on this with the new upgrades

@youtubebrowser1730

4 ай бұрын

are there any free and good games ?

@jonathandiaz6

4 ай бұрын

@youtubebrowser1730 not really only free media apps, almost every game is paid.

@yamaniyoussef

2 ай бұрын

There is plenty of content most paid around 19 29 dollars and u can share with 3 wich is good

@youtubebrowser1730

2 ай бұрын

@@jonathandiaz6 how to cast 'MOBILE DISPLAY TO META 3?" there is no video on it. we can cast quest 3 display to mobile BUT NO OPPOSITE VIDEO. IF U HAVE ANY INFO PLEASE SHARE IT

I'm ready for the power of virtual desktop on this.

“If it’ll cooperate with me” is what breaks it for me. But given most of it appears to be the more reliable mouse and keyboard after initial setup, I’m tempted to try. Thanks for sharing 👍

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

This was within my first 6 hours of play with the Q3 so still some learning. Now I am like a jedi master with and without controllers, lol. Most times I prefer the hand tracking. It's like magic

@AkibanaZero

8 ай бұрын

This is what has me on the fence about picking up the Q3. Meta's UX was clunky and fiddly in the Q2 and so far I am not seeing it being all that much better (save for removing the need to create a Guardian). I feel the Q3 is one or two iterations away from being a true game changer.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Since they've added the option to toggle the ux between like projecting it out into space and it being a little screen you can carry around with you, it's been a big Improvement for hand tracking purposes. I definitely think there's some improvement, but I think the main issue is just getting used to using your hands to interact with something that's not really there. There's no haptic response when you touch a screen that's not physically there, versus if you're using the controllers there's some feedback and you know you touched something. Honestly with how much the quest to improved up until now, I would not be shocked if any of these things are at least addressed somewhat in the lifespan of the quest 3. So yeah I think the Quest 4 will not have very many UI quibbles. I don't think the quest 3 has too many either, but one full life cycle from now I think they will be sorted

Great video, very in-depth review 👍

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate the watch and praise! I am planning a complete review either for Tuesday or Wednesday once I have had a week with the headset since that lets me go really in-depth. You are welcome to tune back in for that.

Really good question! I was thinking the other day, smart glasses may replace monitors entirely. No more 2 screen or 3 screen setups. No more super wide screens that cost exponentially more for the extra size. Now we can have endlessly huge giant screens right on our face. The question remains whether it's bad for eyesight to use goggles too long.

@Kiddo311

8 ай бұрын

If it happens with a quest 3, 4 or 5 or the apple vision pro: virtual screens will just be a stepping stone. why put a virtual square in front of you, just place the apps where you want them. maybe place apps on walls. instagram as a live picture frame on a blank wall for example. twitter on an kitchen cabinet, or a recipe app there would probably be better. that will be true spacial computing. navigation overlay in the car, but that'll be superflous with self driving cars. =)

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Augments are indeed coming to the Q3 next year. Hope it allows 3rd party widgets to make this possible

As some of you have seen in future videos, I found out how to get a more proper resolution out of the quest recorded. Sorry for the black bars, they definitely were an unfortunate byproduct, haha.

@nisargpatel8096

8 ай бұрын

How did you know I'm from the future :o

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

@@nisargpatel8096my wording is a bit goofy here to imply that, lol

Yeah, You can use controllers/hand tracking in the default meta browser and its often much faster than mouse & keyboard. Turns your monitors into touchscreens. Would be great it workrooms had it too.

@khj7937

8 ай бұрын

It's not faster wdym

@VREmirate

8 ай бұрын

@@khj7937 you just scroll, pinch or resize instead of having to fiddle with the cursor. I find it much faster.

After watching countless videos of the Quest 3's passthrough before buying a headset and trying it for myself, I have to say it was a pretty big letdown. So many people made it seem I could just wear the headset around my house and have this great mixed reality experience, but the super low resolution and warping make it more of a gimmick that I'll probably never use than anything else. I have no doubt it'll only get better from here, I just can't see myself ever using it for anything other than quickly looking at something in my room while I'm playing a game.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I'll be honest I was a bit let down too, especially when I viewed the demo before I purchased it at Best Buy. Pass through isn't nearly as crystal clear as they were able to make it look in a lot of their promos. But after using it, for most tasks it's completely sufficient to have an enjoyable experience, and in good lighting it's actually pretty decent. You just need really good lighting. In bad lighting it's pretty meh. But that's just cameras for you, you really need really fancy cameras and even then there's only so much we can do what you're trying to refresh image so fast without getting low exposure values

@spinninglink

8 ай бұрын

This so much. The fact the video recordings look SO MUCH BETTER than the actual passthrough you see is borderline false advertisement

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

@@spinninglink in another video I tried to do a better job showing it by recording through the lenses, as it seems to help the passthrough to look better when captured in Quest 3 (likely due to how recording is capped at 1080p and fairly low bitrate). I find it passable in most situations, but fairly decent if lightly is excellent. BUT, it's definitely much worse than advertised at least in medium to low lighting.

@agvkiev

8 ай бұрын

100%, useless thing. But if to think, VR now is 100% useless in work thing. Just for games

@Soneoak

8 ай бұрын

You'd have to own the quest 2 to know how much of a difference the quest 3 is. It's night and day. As for expecting top level optics for this cheap price, 1/3 that of a flagship mobile phone? Lol.

Nice. In Settings, you can make recordings widescreen and higher bitrate.

There should be an AR video call option in the future so u can see the other person on the couch next to you. Would need an external accessory like a 3d depth cam. I can't even imagine videochat industry how much will explode with such a thing :))

ive been using immersed with the cable, so so good man, this is exactly what i wanted it for, i want a virual office and ive got one

@fluffgaming6889

8 ай бұрын

This is what I want to do. So there’s an immersed app for rift/pc? Is the latency good enough to play flatscreen games on?

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

@fluffgaming6889 It's just a streamer client, the same kind of setup that you'd have for like remote desktop, virtual desktop, etc. You get it from immersed website. But it's only set up for streaming wirelessly to a Quest 1, 2, & 3 ( and maybe Picos, I don't know for sure). Virtual desktop might be a little bit better for latency, but I believe immersed would do good enough for most games, and is free.

@TheRoleModel

8 ай бұрын

@@fluffgaming6889 yeah immersed is on PC and Mac and offers a USB mode, but wireless mode for people with a better setup, I'm super pick so don't want any latency

@____5837

8 ай бұрын

@@fluffgaming6889 i tried it for geometry dash (yes i know but it's the most latency / lag sensitive game i know), using a wifi direct connection to my pc. It said there was 20ms latency in the app, i couldn't notice any. However it didn't manage to send every frame. Sometimes it felt like it was managing the 100fps of my screen, but others it felt like each frame would stick around for 50-100ms. This wasnt in the best environment for it though, streaming a wqhd ultrawide with geometry dash + a 4k (slightly higher than actually, custom resolution from a virtual display driver) screen with discord video + 1080p screen with discord text

I still have my Q1 sat on a shelf. I felt like a sign that VR wasn't ready with the intense screen door and the bad pass through. Is Q3 really viable for something like coding where you're needing to clearly see text for long work hours?

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It's definitely at a Crossroads here. I feel like for some people it's going to be perfectly sufficient and for some people it's going to be not quite there. I haven't been able to spend tons of hours in front of it programming, just because it's been a pretty busy few weeks since release. But the few times that I have been in it for a while I didn't feel too much eye strain and I felt the tax quality was quite good. It's of course better when it's native and it's running on the headset, but even streaming a PC it felt very workable. I hope to do some more content after I've been able to live with it for a bit longer. I didn't even get my review up until Sunday, because I really wanted to spend almost two weeks with the device before giving any complete remarks.

have you tried any virtual cinema apps? if so, how sharp is it? all i really want vr for is a virtual cinema and computer desktop setup tbh.

Would be wild to work in webXR this way.

people underestimate how long they're gonna wanna wear this thing on their head while working

@theloner6063

8 ай бұрын

I use VR since 2017. So, I have no idea what you talking about....

@nique7098

8 ай бұрын

youre an outlier@@theloner6063

@abedalam8072

8 ай бұрын

Overestimate

@yutakahitomi2594

8 ай бұрын

The straps that come with it are pretty uncomfortable after about an hour or so for me. Supposedly after market accessories can make it comfortable enough for multiple hours

@zenkoz3158

8 ай бұрын

​@@yutakahitomi2594the strap is my biggest complaint as a Q2 owner. No clue why they thought the main pressure points should be the tops of the your cheekbones 🤦

This is pretty sick I gotta say. I might give it a try

Can you play games on small screen (virtual monitor)? Or quest 3 only support full 360 screen for games?

@bc_labs

3 ай бұрын

You definitely can play two-dimensional games with streaming, although different streamers have better refresh rates and and lower pings. Virtual desktop always seem to have the best ping refresh rate, but side loading the steam link app also would be pretty good

@aforashish7

3 ай бұрын

​@@bc_labs Thank you 😊

I ordered a quest 3 for this exact reason. Ended up returning it since I didn’t see myself using it long term due to a few reasons. Resolution needs to be better, device needs be lighter, and I find that the virtual desktop experience was laggy. Still hopeful that this tech will eventually replace monitors.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I think it will get better with updates, but it is "on the fence", where for some it's ready and for some not quite. Glad you at least gave it a shot, as it is still a very cool device

@mohammadsadeghlavaie5560

8 ай бұрын

Keep an eye out on the Visor goggles, made by the company that developed the Immersed app.

@ms3862

8 ай бұрын

P

@ms3862

8 ай бұрын

@@bc_labsplus it needs better battery. Currently it will do like what 2 hours so what do we do for the other 6, 7 hours of the work day. The tech is still basically at the alpha demo phase, this isn't even beta test ready, business will not be doing hundreds of quest 3 headsets to improve worker productivity

@Aaron-xr7oc

8 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure the quest 3 has 4k resolution per eye if im not mistaken...And also you can use a direct cable from the PC to the quest to remove all lag.

This looks exhausting😂 but really cool. It will be very useful in 7-8 years

@TheLillianYoung

8 ай бұрын

Maybe a few months depending on Apple Vision’s true performance.

@thenonexistinghero

8 ай бұрын

@@TheLillianYoung Not gonna happen. It's been tested by some folks and we're still lightyears away from that. It's too heavy and just not practical enough to make it replace the monitor. Maybe for their next generation which will likely take another 2-3 years to come out after this one releases, but not their current upcoming one.

@popthiccle1158

7 ай бұрын

7-8 years?! do u know how fast technology advances bro?

@yamaniyoussef

2 ай бұрын

I'm already using it as monitor specially to watch media and browsing stuffs etc

Even in the low light, your pass through looks very clear. I have three of the new Quest 3's and I noticed my daughter's is noticably clearer than mine also. Hopefully a software update will fix this

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

I've only used two particular quest three headsets, and I didn't notice particularly large differences between them, but both are 512 gig versions. Are you yours and your daughter's headsets different capacities or are they both the same capacity? Some people have been noticing and claiming that the 128 gig seem to have more chance of having defects, although I'm not sure I'm convinced I could see them binning the cameras a little bit. I really hope they at least try to run some basic post processing over the camera feed, there's a lot of algorithms out there that don't require too much horsepower from the chip, and I would we willing to sacrifice 20 or so minutes of battery life if it got me a much better pass through picture.

@MicMaine

7 ай бұрын

@bc_labs oh yeah, both are the 512gb edition. I got my Mom a 128gb Quest 3, and her's is the same as mine. I'd definitely sacrifice some battery for that since using the Binbok hot-swappable batteries, I have been able to use it basically all day long taking moderate breaks. The future of this tech is exciting

Excelent question

I tried to work from Qeust 2 but for me it not ready at all. I see big improvements with Quest 3 but I still think we need few more generation of headsets to be truly usable

@powerhouse884

8 ай бұрын

Or just Wait for Apple to bring the New ideas and then Mark Zuckerburg will ripped them off like he always does with any competing company. He is already trying the realistic Avatar feature on the Vision Pro. He got mocked by his cartoon Avatar crap enough lol.

@iraklimgeladze5223

8 ай бұрын

@@powerhouse884 Dude, Apple have not released anything and you accused meta of stealing. Myself do not want any of them. Apple locks you in your eco system and Mark is just delusional. I am more of fan of Valve\Steam with there free linux base system.

@powerhouse884

8 ай бұрын

@@iraklimgeladze5223 Dude, Apple made an EVENT SHOWING the Vision Pro. People were mocking Mark over the Cartoon Avatar on the Meta quest. NOW they want to try a realistic version of that after what Apple announced. Stop pretending they came up with that out of nowhere. Mark Zuckerber was interviewed AFTER the Vision Pro announcement and he didn’t speak about any of that. Anyone with common sense know why he is leaning into AR NOW in his advertising. Mark has ALWAYS stolen ideas from other companies. (snapchat,Tiktok,Twitter) he lacks the capacity to innovate on anything. He literally just copies the exact same thing.

@iraklimgeladze5223

8 ай бұрын

@@powerhouse884 "Event", not release.

@agvkiev

8 ай бұрын

@@iraklimgeladze5223 Quest 3 > Index and Vive 2. Needed new gereration of Index to compete

Does this allow you to have more monitors than you do physically? or do you have to have multiple monitors connected for them to show up

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Yes it does, different apps have different limits on the number of monitors. But yes they usually let you have up to 2 two additional that are only virtual

@____5837

8 ай бұрын

You can also use a virtual display driver to trick your computer and these apps into thinking you have as many displays as you want at any resolution you want

@jkdmyrs

8 ай бұрын

Bro he literally does that IN THIS VIDEO. did you even watch?

i will say the hand tracking is great even in bad lighting with mine

pretty awesome. Could you do some type of zoom or workrooms call? I'd like to see what your avatar looks like with real people

Just ordered my Q3 for this exact reason. The Q2 wasn't a good fit for me to actually work in it. I hope the new cameras allow me to see at least my keyboard. at least! Also heard it feels more comfortable than the Q2 just because the heaset sits closer to the face and stuff. Thanks for sharing : )

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I'm hoping to have two videos posted tonight, I already recorded most of the continent just have to cut it. One of which covers me trying to use workrooms on the quest 3 through a work day and making notes of my qualms ( I think I'm mostly software related), and what I really like about it. The other will cover resolution and Passthrough. Hope you enjoy your headset!

@sethking6361

8 ай бұрын

i've had it since day 1. imo, I would wait for the 4 if that's what's holding you back. its cool and definitely clearer, but its just not at the point where that's actually viable.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

@sethking6361 I mean the problem is you're going to be waiting two or three more years, so it's not like there's an alternative on the market that is competing with it. If you're in other markets, you might be able to get the Pico 5 if it lives up to the hype, though. I think if they can run some really smart upscaling on the pass-through on the quest 3 is going to make it a game-changer though.

@dudemannxs

8 ай бұрын

I’d say it’s passable now. Not perfect but very good. It was worth the upgrade for me. Hoping the issues will be fixed with software updates.

@____5837

8 ай бұрын

@@sethking6361 mine i can pretty easily see my keyboard, have a backlit keyboard tho which might help. I also use immersed rather than this

The Quest 3 is really an intriguing piece of tech. Seems like Apple has refined this type of hybrid VR with their Vision Pro headset. Their proprietary software is really what makes their device more seamless and fluid, it's a great addition to existing Apple hardware as usual. That being said, the Quest is still the pioneer for this type of tech entering the market.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Vision Pro will be fantastic at the things it offers, but it will be quite heavy and cumbersome, even if more power and much more expensive. I think they did force Meta to hit the gas a bit more for sure.

The dog sounds gave me a mini heartattack. I'm laying on the floor watching this video on my quest and all of a sudden I hear the dogs and I jumped up.

what mic are you using?

I was just talking about this. With the progress that's already been made, over the next few decades, all you'll need is the tower. The monitors, keyboards, mice will all be like this.

@bc_labs

6 ай бұрын

Honestly I don't think we're looking at decades I think we're looking at 5 to 10 years tops. Smartphones have only been around a little over a decade, and they honestly exploded and functionality in the first 5 to 8 years and it really just been simmering with incremental quality of life improvements as of late. VR has been around no more than a decade, what was it 2013 or 2014 it started becoming somewhat consumer grade ( even though it was still niche). With the fact that most Standalone Hardware is based off of smartphone tech, the only real Frontier that needs to be grappled with is some of the Optics and Camera Tech which is getting better all the time, and some of the ergonomics although those are kind of tightly coupled. Meta has a road map for 2027 or 2028 for them to release true AR smart glasses, and you already have things at the xreal that are starting to provide some of those features I'll be without much of the compute capability. I think it's all a lot closer than anyone thinks.

Is this actually a useable replacement for multi monitor settup now? Id love to be able to use like, a kitchen table with just a mouse and keyboard as a working area and quickly make it a kitchen table again by just removing the keyboard and mouse

@Okahui

8 ай бұрын

pretty sure giving it a gen or two would be the best idea

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

​@Okahui I mean this is Gen 3

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It depends on your expectations, if you have good Wi-Fi and you pick the right software for your use case ( I hope the cover that soon but there's several monitor streaming services on the Quest), it can be really functional. There are options to pair a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with the headset, and that streams into the computer. Alternatively if you're within range, the kb&m can be hooked Bluetooth to your computer directly.

@GeoffreyVonbargen

8 ай бұрын

@@bc_labs I think I'd most like to still have it connected with a wire, just because reliability. But would be super cool if a 3 monitor setup could be a laptop, mouse and headset some day.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

@GeoffreyVonbargen currently I've only tested it Wireless, and I haven't had really any issues. Wired is probably a little better, but I wouldn't trade it for the freedom of movement

Maybe the resolution is finally acceptable, I'll give it a shot. I still recall the valve talk on resolution and we got a ways to go before it matches my 4K monitors.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It's definitely not going to be a 4K monitor, but even then you're not getting the full benefits of a 4k monitor if it's several feet away from you. At a certain point you're not getting the detail of that. Here you have a 2K Monitor but it's really close to your eye. Hope you have a positive experience if you test it out. Cheers!

@icebird76

8 ай бұрын

I have 4k monitors and it brings my computer to a crawl, about 15 FPS. The problem in Workrooms is you can't do fine placement the screens. The 4K monitor is huge and I have to look around the virtual space to see the corners. Not worth it. And streaming to the high resolution displays on the 3 takes a lot of resources. Doesn't help that I have lots of Chrome tabs, Rider IDE taking 7gb minimum, and other dev tools. Bottom line, upgrade your monitors if you need more screen real estate.

@____5837

8 ай бұрын

Immersed seems more polished than this. Still can't reproduce the quality of 4k, but it does my wqhd ultrawide without me needing to change the size of any text to make it visible, and i can have as many screens as I want at any resolution i want and any position using a virtual display driver. Testing using ~1920 x 4400 + 3440 x 1440 + 1920 x 1080 and it used 7% of my cpu and 30% of my gpu (uses nvenc). This was also all on the basic version. The virtual display driver lets you get around all the requirements for pro

Dystopic concept.

I’ve been debating this for school. I do a lot with 3D work away from home and having this could solve my laptops lack of multi monitor setup out of the house.

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

Comfort for long periods is still the sticking point. 3 hour stints is fine, but unless you use night mode or set brightness appropriately it might be a bit straining for longer. It's pretty nice on the go though, As long as you accept getting weird looks, rofl. I was raking my leaves with mine on.

@poketobyb

7 ай бұрын

@@bc_labs thanks for the reply! The longest would possibly using it at a time is a few hours regardless. This helps a lot!

What resolution can you use on the virtual monitors? Wondering if this would be useful when traveling with my laptop.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

When I get home tonight, I'll check, but it looked like somewhere between 1080P and 1440p, I know the recording is not high quality due to whatever the compression is from the Quest recording, but for me the text was very clear and was way more usable than my Quest 2.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Uploading my new video now addressing this. It looks like Workrooms maxes out just above HD. I show a comparison. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmaN0tptd8jKg7A.htmlsi=V0LjXRNjRnieVvDN I will be testing other desktop streamers soon to crown a winner.

@matija-ziberna

8 ай бұрын

​@@bc_labsnot so important how much better than q2 it is tbh. No-one is buying it anymore. I'm first time buyer of VR and I'm a bit letdown on the image quality.

As a vr dev, i'm wondering if it's finally possible to code with the hmd on, without needing to remove it and put it back on endlessly.

@Shea_Nya

8 ай бұрын

I believe it very much is. I was coding in unity on my quest 2 about half a year ago in the same way like this video, and in comparison the technology has gotten ridiculously better and it was doable even then. There were a couple issues back then such as needing to sometimes take my headset off to put my mouse back on the unity pause and play button for testing and leaving. But this seems alot easier, very solid and doable.

@bc_labs

6 ай бұрын

It's definitely possible, but I'd say about the time you run out of battery is about the same time it gets uncomfortable. So for a reasonable length sessions is not too bad. It's also nice to have a compact way of bringing extra screens with you

Not yet, but we're getting there! ....It seems it can definitely replace TVs for watching movies solo tho.

Just curious if you were to just do virtual monitors what is the resolution limitations so I can it go to 4K 5K 8K?

Workrooms is a terrible example though. Immersed is a far better example of what desktop replacement is.

@sangyedorje

8 ай бұрын

Immersed used to be great, but us broken now

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I was having issues with immersed on my quest too so I switched over and was not using it as much on my quest 3, but I'll do a comparison video soon. A "State of Desktop Streaming" if you will. They all have trade offs

@KING_NIMROD

8 ай бұрын

is it though?

@FlockofSmeagles

8 ай бұрын

@@KING_NIMROD By virtue of the fact that you can't move your screen off of workrooms grid. Yes, I do think so. There's zero customization, whatsoever.

@FlockofSmeagles

8 ай бұрын

@@sangyedorje Not for me. I use it everyday. What seems to be your issue?

Turn off the monitors when using the Quest cuz they're messing up the tracking

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

That's probably true, thanks for the tip. I was mostly leaving them up to kind of show the graininess of the pass-through on additional screens. Now that my workrooms and everything is configured, I probably can just leave them off.

Thanks for posting this! It was helpful! Can you do a video on the quality of the so-called 30% in detail difference?

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

I'll see what I can do. If the Quest 2 will let me record at the same bitrate and resolution I will try to do a capture on both to compare. And then try to do some sort of through the lens comparison as well. The higher resolution is not the entire picture, because not only does the equestrian have a higher resolution but the lenses are so much clearer, it really feels like and even larger upgraded in some ways. There is a little bit of a negative in that the pixel/displays in the quest 3 are angled relative to your eyes, so the pixels are diagonal.

@SpedaleJrPhotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! @@bc_labs

do you think you can use it for actual working? So wearing it for couple of hours using AR monitors?

The hardware can do it with enough clarity/resolution now but the Quest software is the weak point, there are just endless popup prompts and tons of jankyness. An app requests permissions and you get booted out of the VR environment into this generic Android permissions page... terrible. It needs to be all automatic, sit down at your desk and it automatically detects it from vision AI models and sets itself up, none of this constant clicking on buttons and manually setting up your environment with finger taps.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It could be better, like a floating permission page, but overall even the touch menus feel pretty fluid and futuristic. But more seemless intuitive things like you are suggesting would be nice

@drabdulwahabalnajjar

8 ай бұрын

I think this will be achieve in apple vision pro

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It better be sinces it is seven times the cost.

@ddud4966

8 ай бұрын

​@@drabdulwahabalnajjar Yeah I remember they demoed that, you just sit down in front of your MacBook and a second screen magically pops up above it. I'd expect all their devices to "light up" inside VR like if the Apple Watch doesn't get an expanded display in 3D it would be a total waste. Anything that gets you hooked deeper into the Apple ecosystem is gonna be there for sure.

How would you say the image quality is when it comes to reading text, and do you need to take breaks often when using it? I could see that you're developing games in Godot, and would love to do some programming on it too.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It's fairly clear and decent quality, but apparent resolution is more dependent on how far you place monitors away in virtual space. I take breaks every couple hours. I haven't daily'd it for monitors too much yet. 2 hours max at a time

We have the same desk mat of the world map!

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I love it! 3 years going strong.

Can you move the screens in Horizon Workrooms, for example, to position them higher or lower when you want to switch from sitting to working while standing? Thanks for the video ;)

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Unless I'm missing a setting it does not let you, I would recommend using something like Immersed for that. As I mentioned to others I plan to make a video very soon comparing the main desktop sharing apps, but there are other videos out there already to give you an idea of what is possible

Have you tried out immersed as well? I haven't tried horizons yet. I will have to check that one out.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It's really good also. Video coming really soon on immersed

Have you tried opening godots script editor to another window in done some work with virtual monitor? I'm mostly interested in how much use we can get out of hand tracking and other MR windows while working. Could be really great to not have to alt+tab all the time or picking up controllers to interact with the other windows, etc. Thanks!

@bc_labs

6 ай бұрын

At the moment it doesn't look like there's hand tracking is very well supported in regards to actually interfacing with your streamed windows pc. There are ways to use hand tracking with Godot if you sideload the engine as an Android app, but then you're limited to only one window not multi window, and there's limitations on resizing an export functionalities. Honestly I think that now that mixed reality is actually possible we're going to hopefully see some improvements to some of the software

Now that the vision pro is out i think it’s set a whole new standard for AR devices

@bc_labs

4 ай бұрын

On the AR side it is definitely impressive, woth the pass-through and display quality is definitely a lot higher, but a seven times the price I don't think you get seven times the functionality from what I've been able to see. If I can get one to demo I will go in depth on the comparison.

can u change the size of virtual monitors? Can u have 1 giant monitor instead of 3 small ones?

this is cool!!! i dont know much about vr and ar but are there any programms like fusion 360 to design in VR?

@bc_labs

5 ай бұрын

There are a few applications that allow for more artistic based 3D design, closer to blender. There are also a couple major programs that have plugins I can't remember if it was inventor or Fusion 360, but they run on a computer and just connect to the headset for controller input and streaming. I have really been wrapping my head around some programming Concepts cuz I think it would be very useful to have a parametric modeler that could run standalone. There are many facets in also, and I think the market hasn't grown big enough so that's why some of the bigger players haven't yet entered

Could you make a video on using the quest 3 without passthrough, 2 monitors, doing programming on right screen and office programs on the left monitors? How the experience of doing this is for a couple hours vs 2 physical monitors? (Not compared to Q2, but actualy monitors for us who are on the fence just waiting for the perfect enough headset to hit the market). And is is possible to make one of the monitors ultrawide? Or something?, not 4k but just wider

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

I did a video on immersed which has some of what you were looking for. Workrooms was a bit meh for office work if your text is small, as it seemed to occasionally stutter and capped resolution. Immersed overall was fairly clear and useful for fairly lengthy sessions. I plan to get back into Godot programming, and if I do a video stream on that, I'll make sure and use my headset. Also, BTW, near the end of my video with the "Holographic monitors" thumbnail, there is a recording from my phone through the lenses to be more accurate to what you see.

How crisp are the text. I was looking forward to quest 3 for this. If reading text does do much strain i sm buying one

Meta quest 2 goggles had the battery issue were it wasted too quick and it seems this one’s have the same issues and you need a PC to run this goggles and other factors along the way that make this goggles a pain in the arse to use.Also when oculus 2 were fresh out of the box they looked very clear then they get blurry and I believe the same will be with this one after a while of use they will get a blurry visual.The oculus2 were a rave for a very short time then you end up seeing them at pond shops and I think this will be the same case.

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

Quest 3 lenses are a different material and should not get blurry. Battery on both systems got better after a few cycles

Bruh wait, seeing this, I had to google and apparently you can get Quest 3 connected to your PC wirelessly... I am currently researching the ways I can use my computer without being tied to a screen, and stumbled on to this and it looks perfect! Ive been more active recently and hate standing in one place, I love pacing my room listening to music but cant really pace my room watching videos, and this looks like it could help. I guess my only question is, can you make the screen not stay in place, to follow you around? That's what I want. Idk you might show it off, I just watched, and had to comment because this really excites me!

@bc_labs

3 ай бұрын

I don't think I have a good video on it yet, but virtual desktop has a head look load that you can use. It only let you use one screen at a time at this moment but it's supposed to be adding multi-screen support eventually. But it has a mode that locks to your head and kind of slowly moves with you

I tried to use horizon workrooms remotely on my quest2. I was able to stream my desktop from 100km away but I couldn't get keyboard and mouse input to be sent to my remote pc. (Kb+mouse paired to quest2 via bluetooth.)

Nice, it has some delay? are you streaming to wifi or cable?

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Wifi delay isn't bad for most things, but competitive games might be a bit rough. VD is better for low delay

@exike6600

8 ай бұрын

@@bc_labs thanks! just wanting to use it for work or simple use, not competitive gaming, im really bad haha

Quick question, I'm experimenting with hand tracking- my hands keep activating the bottom 3 icons (home, computer, settings) and I keep getting the popup that covers my screen. How do you get it to not activate when you're typing?

@bc_labs

5 ай бұрын

Supposedly you can get it to ignore your hand gestures by making a certain gesture but it never has worked for me. If I figure it out I'll make a short for it or included in a tips and tricks video

It’s gonna be fun when apple comes out with theirs to see if they work similarly or different

thank for the video. im trying to figure out whether its worth buying the quest 3 - i mainly work in excel and using web applications. At work, i have an ultra wide screen and a 4k screen which i use for excel but at home i only havea single 1080p screen which is really limited. can the Quest 3 replicate an ultra wide screen and a 4k screen in the virtual studio ?

@bc_labs

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately you can't get 4k resolution. Technically it's possible to get it streamed to the headset, but the headset display is only Max 2K per eye. Although I think this is a good option if someone wants a way of using multiple monitors on the go like if they only wanted to bring one device and a laptop, but I don't think it'd be a good daily driver as the only means of multiple monitor at home. That's mostly due to the Comfort though more than anything else since it is a little heavy. I feel like as the software matures something more like the XREAL or Rokid glasses is probably more comparable to what you're looking for, unless you plan to use some of the Q3 gaming capabilities as well. That said, they recently launched office apps on the quest, so if that continues to evolve maybe it will serve as a portable computer solution for some people so you don't have to bring a second device when traveling.

Imagine a soldier with this, and a compatible camera/target acquisition device in mixed reality.

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that was the plan for the Microsoft hololens Project, before they shitcanned it

Are the keyboard keys readable with passthrough? I wonder if the tracked keyboards would still be necessary or if passthrough is good enough.

@Mfire33

8 ай бұрын

It was definitely good enough on my side yes (but I have good lighting at my desk and backlit keys so that might be different for you)

I already have 2 computers with 4 monitors, but if i could add two more monitors above that were larger for art and video i would wear the quest 3 at my desk everyday.

I'd use it more if there were more integration for normal keyboard and mouse controls. I draw a lot so I need full use of Ctrl, Shift, Alt, Scroll Wheel to change modes pretty frequently. Otherwise it's too much of a hassle over the laptop and a mouse.

For that it would *at least* need HDR support...

What's the use case for this? Other than the option of a 3rd monitor.

It can if you use the immersed app instead of meta’s. I daily drive as a programer in the immersed app.

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

I did a full video on Immersed as i think it is really good for this usecase.

That I'm very pleased means "I'm not pleased at all" 😂 😂

While it may not be the best right now, with the doubling effect from Moore’s law in practice, just imagine what it will be in 10 years. People seem to forget that the iPhone was launched ~15 years ago.

A wild godot user! Hope godot improves their XR in the future with unity falling off.

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

Apparently Godot 4.0 already has some pretty decent XR implementation (with Vulkan) to make it easy to just start throwing something together. I'm hoping to tinker with it and do a video. Even if it's just an intro to show how easy it is to get started, I feel like that would be useful. It really is a spectacular engine that with a lot of potential, and I'm hoping as it gets more and more attention they're able to bring it more and more imperity with the big alternatives. I'm far from a Godot veteran, but I've made a few projects in it that I feel like have potential, but I never have enough time to truly get them to fruition. Maybe at some point, haha.

est ce qu'on peut vraiment travailler avec ? parce que la c'est tres floue. Genre coder par exemple.

So does this also work for 2D games with 3 monitor support?

Hi friends, I'm thinking about buying a Q3 to work as a 3d animator and I'm not sure about the image quality and video freezing. I am not very knowledgeable in this topic so your opinion is very important for me. Will it be able to work well for this purpose?

@Nekomk123

8 ай бұрын

On pico4 it was trash, i dont think it will be any better on q3

The biggest problem of VR glass is myopia.

Great video. Can you play pc games on virtual monitor and can you resize your virtual monitor?

@bc_labs

7 ай бұрын

Yes this is possible, although generally you're going to have a better experience if you're playing with your keyboard and mouse or controller connected to the PC directly rather than the headset. It's possible to connect a controller or a mouse and keyboard directly to the headset via Bluetooth or USB and have it streamed to the PC, but this introduces latency, as well as for some reason there's a limitation in the quest operating system such that the mouse can't move infinitely in a Direction. This makes it very difficult to play an FPS. If you are using a controller, or your devices are connected directly to the computer it's a great experience overall. I did a video covering a similar use case, where I used my steam Deck with steam link and it worked pretty well, and you can do the same with a Windows PC using steam link or virtual desktop

@draculaincod

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply. That's great. My plan is to only use quest as a virtual monitor whenever I wanna play pc games. I just want to see whether I can play on a bigger virtual monitor on pc via quest 3. IF that is possible then there is one more reason for me to buy it.@@bc_labs

But can you do Inception by wearing a Quest 3 while inside a Quest 3

Question, where does the meta quest 3 loads its processes? I mean if I have a lame computer would it still function well or do I need a powerful computer?

@bc_labs

5 ай бұрын

If you are streaming your PC to the quest 3 like in this video, you need to have a reasonably modern computer. I have ran the client on my laptop and my desktop and my laptop does not have a dedicated gpu, just an i5 11th gen. But that's just for streaming office applications and web browsers. If you want to run PC games games you need a dedicated GPU. However recently office applications from Microsoft came to the quest 3 natively so you can install them from the app store on the quest directly. They're not quite as polished as the PC versions but they're getting better, and you can have a second window open for a browser to do some multitasking. Same goes for some of the options for VR games that run straight on the quest without a PC at all.

This is definitely the future of display technology. Soon even monitor brands would start making these. Even for personal computing, laptops will only have keyboard and trackpad on them without displays. Immersion in 2d (as in monitor) Gaming will be great too.

We got so good at creating interfaces for our 2d screens, that when we are using alt+tab we actually interact in 4d, uncovering additional plains. And so 3d environment of Oculus always feels super slow and cumbersome.

can one use sign language through the passthrough to replace voice communication? or maybe use TTS with Sign language?

@bc_labs

6 ай бұрын

Not as far as I know, not yet. Meta, due to their past reputation, has been trying pretty hard to not have privacy issues on the device, so only you and your headset currently can get Passthrough data. However, using Meta's hand tracking api, there likely could be some smart minded dev that could accomplish something like that.

10 more years and the technology should be great 👍

Because certain streaming apps don’t have native quest apps…how big can i make a full screen video of say..ESPN+ in the browser?

I wonder if this would work for ultrawide gaming?

Isn't it possible in some way to use a virtual display with 120Hz without having a real aditional monitor?

this is fuckin awesome

Whoever came back from walking the dog scared she shyte oout of me :p was so invested with noise canceling headphone that entry was in Surround sound

@bc_labs

4 ай бұрын

So sorry, that audio inclusion was very much unintentional.

Do you think this would work with games that support ultrawide settings or triple monitors. I just want to be able to play driving games with a 180-degree field of view without having to own three monitors due to space and expense concerns. One example would be American Truck Simulator. I have a wheel, side panel, and 18-speed shifter mapped out to a lot of the functions of the truck. I can play in VR but then I don't see my own controls and it becomes a hassle when I want to get up and move around. Are you able to resize the virtual monitors and adjust their relative angles?

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

It should support it, and if I remember correctly immersed let you snap them under together, as well as adjusting the curvature so you can get more of a cockpit style feel. I can't speak for American Truck Simulator but some of the other racing Sim games actually support VR natively so you don't even have to use Virtual monitors. You can actually run the game in VR and look around inside your cab with your head

@engineerkentgaming1371

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for that input. I can drive generally ok in VR for racing but when it comes to games like Farming SImulator, Construction Simulator, Snowrunner, and Flight Simulator, I would prefer a triple monitor setup to get the most of my peripherals. I don't quite remember what buttons do in games so I have button layout prints for each game. Sometimes I just need to glance at those cheat pages to remember what button where does what. If any of that makes sense. @@bc_labs

Is the video audio from the quest 3? Or are you using a different mic

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Different mic, not because I needed to, just out of habit.

How was the text crispiness? I saw that you've opened the Chrome devtolls, was it readable? I wanted to get a VR for programming when traveling to not have to take 3 screens wherever I go, but for now the resolution wasn't there to use them that way :P

@SimplestUsername

8 ай бұрын

The resolution is very good for VR. I think It's equivalent to a 27in 1080p monitor. My only frustrations are that virtual avatar hand. Hand tracking has been really poor and frustrating for me.

@lukiszlak4700

8 ай бұрын

Hmm, that sounds great! I myself are working on two stacked 24" and laptop screen on the side so it would be possible to imitate that! Also is there any hand tracking issues when using mouse and keyboard?

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmaN0tptd8jKg7A.htmlsi=U5Vd6MIfTYK9srVw At the end of this video I do a better job of showing using my phone camera through the lens. It's very readable, but immerse makes it easier to position the monitors in a more comfortable position.

Can you do this with a cable? The wireless feature is cool but id like the stability of a cable

@bc_labs

8 ай бұрын

Yes, there are options like oculus/meta link that offer virtual screens over usb-c 3.1 cable