Glad this didn’t need a 40 minute video explaining the difference

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

I have a 58 second short on the topic coming soon

@GalacticGamerYT

3 ай бұрын

@@himelstechthank you. I will only have 60 seconds to live in the near future, and I can use those last 2 seconds to tell my children I love them

@Bi0m3ga

3 ай бұрын

The differences are far greater than this example.

@BoltRM

3 ай бұрын

$3000 difference to start

@aaronwestley3239

3 ай бұрын

​@@Bi0m3gaof course it is. You can create a multi page excel workbook outlining every single technical specifications of each of the devices. But do you think people will sit 3 hours just watching you explain different hardware and software differences to even the smallest detail? Lmfao

Thank you someone actually posting useful comparison content, instead of sensationalist click bait BS

@pigeonramier6898

3 ай бұрын

yeah but i'm afraid that mostly people knowing vr would see that video, so we already know and we already agree, newcomers vr neophytes would rather go to an generalist tech youtuber with million followers

@blue_ig1

3 ай бұрын

No you’re getting wrong, the AVP is a big experimental device

@smvballer6

3 ай бұрын

You were low key mad until now lol

@xtubejr

3 ай бұрын

@@smvballer6highkey

@smvballer6

3 ай бұрын

@@xtubejr 😆

For some perspective, the sales tax on the vision pro pays for half the quest 3.

@tanvir.ahmed0

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

@iggyp2639

3 ай бұрын

just get it in oregon state

@jaskirat1999

3 ай бұрын

Dude the travel case almost pays for half the price of the quest 3 haha

@michaelvarney.

3 ай бұрын

For perspective… poor people cope.

@shellyskitchen5286

3 ай бұрын

Lol😂

There's an app for the quest 3 called fluid, it basically gives you a AVP style interface with as many windows as you want wherever you want. Its in a beta version at the moment but it shows what we can expect in the quest 3 going forwards

@TheOfficialOriginalChad

3 ай бұрын

Imagine if Apple released the VP with the promise of more than 3 windows one day.

@xXLionheart1118Xx

3 ай бұрын

@@TheOfficialOriginalChad i mean they already did that with other features the quest 3 has except they also charged 10 times the price

@TheOfficialOriginalChad

3 ай бұрын

@@xXLionheart1118Xx what?

@gonzalolog

3 ай бұрын

@@xXLionheart1118Xx like what

@TriMuXx

3 ай бұрын

@@TheOfficialOriginalChadLMAO, Apple took it SEVERAL steps further than that! They have the device so locked down that they are promising TONS of regular features that the Quest 3 has already had for years, "one day" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ...so, good job with that comment.

Did anybody notice the change of audio as he went into the virtual environment? It seems like the room noise faded away and the voice was much more direct.

@AquaMayne

3 ай бұрын

Yeah looks like it also cancels outside noise even on the microphone side when in a virtual environment

@andrerafizadeh

3 ай бұрын

better microphone w the avp

@alexandercourtney9370

3 ай бұрын

that was very cool!

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

I didn’t notice til you said something 😂

@acslater017

3 ай бұрын

The virtual environment also changes the lighting on your arms and hands!

What's funny is that this video at least for me solidified that I'm good with the Quest 3 and can use that $3,000 elsewhere. 😅

@Diamantes1997

3 ай бұрын

For example on a gaming PC and FBT for VRChat

@Napoleon_673

3 ай бұрын

U probably don’t need the Vision Pro then. U most likely just use the quest to play games and stuff so yeh, u really don’t need the Vision Pro.

@Diamantes1997

3 ай бұрын

@@Napoleon_673 my question is, who needs it to justify a 3.5k price?

@Suckko

3 ай бұрын

​@@Napoleon_673 no one really needs the vision pro lmao. It has no niche. It will never be as productive as carrying around your laptop. It will never look as good as your tv in your living room and it is not suited to play games. Its an apple fan gimmick. It certainly wont topple the vr market lmao

@Synthesia-ef7hj

3 ай бұрын

​@@Napoleon_673 what would anyone need the vision pro for?

Should note that the reason switching to vr is so seamless is only because the AVP has ZERO support for roomscale vr. The moment you move from that spot, you're kicked out of vr mode.

@Jonathan-zq8vs

3 ай бұрын

The more I thought about this, I realized, I don’t even want the temptation of walking without transparency mode. Being kicked out of VR seems more like a feature to me

@MrRahulKumarKandula

3 ай бұрын

@@Jonathan-zq8vsyes and this would solve lot of headaches of being safe. and it would be more intuitive.

@cloudboysmusic5223

3 ай бұрын

@@Jonathan-zq8vs not really a 'feature'

@therealpeter2267

3 ай бұрын

​@@Jonathan-zq8vs oh you would want to once you tried it, it's awesome especially in games on the Quest, and you do get to see the safety boundary the Quest builds for you if you get close, you are still perfectly safe without hitting any object in your room

@drumman22

3 ай бұрын

So it's useless basically

Very little game, and sure windows everywhere. 7x the price. I can live with 3 windows, slight distortion, using controlers, and having fun playing game. For work, I can still have 3 windows and that is more than enough.

@ad4762

3 ай бұрын

For real

@copordrop

3 ай бұрын

"slight" distortion is nuts to say

@gclip9883

3 ай бұрын

But AppleVision Pro feels much more like a product that could actually be successful with regular people, whereas the Quest3 is still more of a power user device. And it is an actual computer, so that is also a big plus. But for gaming, the Quest3 ist definietly superior.

@TheOfficialOriginalChad

3 ай бұрын

In reality, these products should not be compared. The Quest 3 is a gaming platform first, AR second. The VP is the first AR first product, and no thoughts about gaming. It’s quite annoying to see all the gamer kids arguing that “it can’t even do games”.

@Ziltoid_Knows

3 ай бұрын

Don't forget about immersed, it's transformative for the quest 3

Quest 3 maps your environment to avoid collisions, I’m curious to see how Vision Pro does that without mapping anything beforehand

@erichdiebenow4727

3 ай бұрын

So if you walk near a wall the environment fades out and it shows you what you are about to hit. The fade is limited to the spot you’re about to hit

@someguy9175

3 ай бұрын

@@erichdiebenow4727 what if you walk into a coffee table instead? The quest 3 clearly maps for it as you can see in the video.

@chocktalk

3 ай бұрын

lol vision warns you about coffee table also seamlessly

@kamilblue

3 ай бұрын

I think that's the difference of having M2 CPU on the board - processing of boarders can happen on the go, doesn't need to be pre-recorderd

@JoshuaHerman

3 ай бұрын

Apple Vision Pro constantly maps the environment and alerts you

Really enjoying your channel with these short videos and showing off some of the features of the AVP!

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

I’m posting an even shorter version of this comparison as a KZread short for those with even shorter attention spans.

okay yeah this is exactly what i was lookin for thank you!

Awsome video. Easy to follow straight to the point. This was recommended and I'm happy I clicked on it.

This is exactly what I was looking to see, and it would be awesome to see more. I am personally only interested in virtual desktop and watching media. The fact that the Vision Pro only supports one virtual desktop basically makes it a paperweight for me so now I'm considering the quest.

Short and to the point. Great comparison.

I realized a lot of people comparing don’t really know the full features of the meta quest 3. Open model let’s 3rd party apps improve upon the software and features I’d check out immersed for that really gets u close to the vision pro experience

@simplerealistic.

3 ай бұрын

Where can I learn more about this?

@Napoleon_673

3 ай бұрын

The thing is, you have to rely on third party apps. U can upgrade anything with the use of external applications, but that doesn’t mean the product itself is any good.

@DP31313

3 ай бұрын

@@Napoleon_673if it’s 3000 less and cost nothing except third party apps I’d say it’s got my buy

@Junispro31

3 ай бұрын

​@Napoleon_673 ok, but the 3rd party app that costs 20 bucks give me the features of one that costs 3500 bucks

@DP31313

3 ай бұрын

@@Junispro31 yes that’s what I’m saying

Great video! short and precise 😸

I think that meta will eventually catch up to some aspects of vision os through over the air updates.

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, I hope so.

@shuttzi9878

3 ай бұрын

Give em half a year and it'll be a very similar experience What Meta could learn from apple is DEFINITELY the design language... Meta is good with tech, not so much the design hah

the vision pro nails the immersion perfectly, the quest 3 cant achive that yet but im hopeful that in the future they will do something similar

@Snoozy96

3 ай бұрын

hey are already tackling this, they mentioned that the hand distortion is an update they've been working on and is "almost ready" what ever that means. Now if the only real difference is the window issues, this is all just software oriented, and based on what META has done in terms of changes to their groundwork for the Quest 3 Operating system. They could easily shift that focus and make that functionality work. So basically no reason to get a vision pro. LOL

@andy-xz2uk

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@eulehund99

3 ай бұрын

​@@Snoozy96eh the OLED screen is way better and so is the M2 as a chip. I think the limitation with only 3 screens is because of the chip inside the Quest 3. Both are really cool and used their budget greatly. But yeah the software is very similar and the Quest 3 lacks mainly in Hardware. If Meta releases a VR Headset with OLED screens and eye tracking for around 1k, it would be awesome.

@Mitchelllhu

3 ай бұрын

Until you realize its fov is terrible and is the same as those 50$ phone vr headsets.

@michialharris1850

3 ай бұрын

@@eulehund99 so u think 3 screens is a limitation whenever you’re about to play games like the wrath of Asgard?? It’s just how they decided to run the software. There’s and app that allows u to basically do what the Visionpro is doing.

Awesome video. Clear and to the point. Thanks!

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

you can drag tabs with your hand just bring you had further out from the page and a cursor will show up, same one that shows up with controller and you can use your hand as a controller

Daily uploads are the best🎉

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

I’ll keep em coming just for you.

Excellent explanation! I love my Vision Pro compared to the Quest 2 and 3 I had before! Can I ask if youre recording your own voice on an external mic while screen recording the AVP, and syncing it in post later? I wanna be able to talk into my videos while screen recording too 😅

1:04 If you move your hand back and enter the pinch to interact mode you can drag window tabs to either side. Love the comparison!

Excellent and straightforward demo. I find that people without both just say things without facts.

okay now considering these are both VR headsets, how about an example of some VR gaming? how does the VR gaming library look on the AVP for 7xs the cost? what kind of controllers does it come with? how are the haptics? how are the fitness apps? there is so much more to VR than just spatial computing. for 7xs the cost you would really hope to see all the same stuff the competition can do and more!

@ILFforever

3 ай бұрын

Well for starters it doesn't come with any controllers but I did hear people being able to run iPhone ported games like RE4 remake on it. I don't know how it will control though.

@WibblyWobblyChannel

3 ай бұрын

It *technically* can run PCVR but Apple seems deadset on it not being a VR gaming capable device which is disappointing. In that sense no matter what anyone says Quest 3 clears it for gaming (real VR gaming not just ipad apps)

@user-yv6cj6df7b

3 ай бұрын

alot of people are missing the point, its actually not a "VR" headset. It can be used for that but thats not its main purpose. Also not sure why this is so confusing when its listed in the specs, you can connect a PS5 controller. If you just want to play VR games then but a VR gaming system. If you want the best VR/AR computing experience then buy AVP. Thats why Apple keeps saying spatial computing because thats what it does. For someone like me that works on an PRO XDR display daily (that costs 7k), being able to just recreate that environment anywhere, since I travel over 100 days a year is worth the price. All the other features are extras for now and its only a week old. Again spatial computing not just an AR/VR headset. Hope that helps.

@liamsz

3 ай бұрын

do you actually expect the same software library just because it's more expensive? the quest had years to develop its library, the AVP just came out lmao

@babyspine

3 ай бұрын

@@user-yv6cj6df7b that is the thing though, it IS a VR headset no matter how much you try to say it's not. it's technically an XR device which means it does VR/MR/AR

can you do a comparison video about collision detection if you move around with the pass through off?

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

You can’t move more than a couple steps while in immersive view in VP

nice little touch at the end changing the audio to make it seem like it makes a difference when switching.

I'm all about quality and UX and thus this confirmed for me that AVP suits my needs. Thanks!

To the comments section, if you have time and an available Apple Store you can demo the Apple Vision Pro free of charge. Don’t worry if you have prescription lenses, they have a wide variety of optical inserts for you to use as well

@eulehund99

3 ай бұрын

i might add: US only

@Eratic_bhavior

3 ай бұрын

@@eulehund99 this is true, at the moment it only supports English language

@chaosengine3772

3 ай бұрын

Apple's locked and soldered down hardware/software ecosystem makes that impossible. I would rather be flogged and nailed to a cross before I would submit to Cook's Garden of Walls and his legions of the Fruit Black Nike cult

The fact that the Quest 3 can do most of what the AVP can do for 1/7th the cost is impressive. I think you may also just need to get used to the Quest 3 hand controls. I'm able to pull tabs into new screens quite easily.

@lorenzo7098

3 ай бұрын

Are you able to pin windows in your environment with quest 3? it's the only thing I dream of being able to do to create a full screen environment at home like on the AVP

@lordmorpheus7281

3 ай бұрын

@@lorenzo7098 well can you do PCVR with AVP? can you play other VR titles with AVP? Other than general productivity there's nothing else AVP has to offer. On the other hand Q3 provides MUCH better value for money. Sure it's not as high res or isn't able to pin windows in the environment, but considering everything else you can do with the quest, it's really not much of a trade off

@Natak222

3 ай бұрын

I mean a Prius can technically do most of what a Lamborghini can do

@ShadyRonin

3 ай бұрын

@@Natak222lol this comment wins

@techheck3358

3 ай бұрын

@@lordmorpheus7281PCVR for AVP yes. IMO the heavy distortion around the arms in Q3 is a deal breaker

too me that felt smoother. Legit has the keyboard closer to him and focusing what written on top of the keyboard instead of it being typed in the tab like you did with the quest.

Thanks for the comparison. They're are a few things missing that could make this better. You can swipe in text on the Quest 3 and it's much faster. For a better comparison of VR mode, do a 360 spin with the Quest 3 to create a full boundary, then walk around while fully immersed. My understanding is the Vision Pro has a very limited range when passthrough is off, a notable difference.

Omg making a boundary every time you want to change rooms is so annoying. I find that occasionally it will remember other rooms but sometimes the floor is off or it’s slid over. Apps like Immersed give you more flexibility with arrangement but you need a computer to connect to, and are again limited by boundaries. Plus no direct interaction with the screens. Just mouse and keyboard. There’s always a trade off. Everything productivity wise is just smoother and quicker with the Vision Pro. Which is important when you want to grab your phone/laptop/iPad to do something real quick. You might grab your vision pro cause it’s quick enough. Whereas the Quest takes too much setup. So it’s only fine for getting into a longer work session or something.

@liquid79

3 ай бұрын

You don't need to make boundaries everytime. You can map out the whole apartment including all rooms. Quest 2 has multiple rooms support. So it will only be a matter of time Quest 3 will follow.

@allanallen1835

3 ай бұрын

​@@liquid79you can save multiple boundaries and also turn them off on quest 3

@CartyCreative

3 ай бұрын

@@liquid79 I know it just rarely works well on mine. Sometimes it switches, sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it’s close but off by a few feet, or the floor is wrong. Just not quite as smooth in my experience. I’m sure it will get better over time

@likwidsage

3 ай бұрын

@@CartyCreativeMight wanna get that checked. I have the Quest 3 and a staggered 2 floor house. I've been able to map the entirety of my house with no issue.

@SikOOs

3 ай бұрын

you do need Mac with M* chip to utilise processing power in AVP too, difference is PC can be even low end to be able to run 5 windows on Immersed while you can have only 1 (one) window on Mac M*

lol I saw that comment. I was wanting to reply to that person's comment but didn't have the energy to explain the obvious differences. Glad to see you slapped them by making this video.

@unknown-vz1xi

3 ай бұрын

Still have a smaller fov and lower refreshing rate tho

Great video If I worked for Quest, I would use this for the next UI update changes.

Thanks, amazing quick review. The APV technology looks promising, but for gaming the quest seems to be the best option at the moment.

Quality difference is insane my god

@Boboliciouus

3 ай бұрын

3000$ quality difference 😅

@lolololo-cx4dp

3 ай бұрын

Nah what you see is mainly recording quality lol

@Jakef100f

3 ай бұрын

You also don't have controllers so you can't play games and there's no proper virtual desktop options, just the single screen coming out of your macbook. Basically a 3500$ youtube-inator you can also read your emails with. It's a complete utter waste of money.

@lolololo-cx4dp

3 ай бұрын

@@Jakef100f yeah AVP is still kinda useless compared to meta quest rn lol

@GoBoltsGo

3 ай бұрын

@@Jakef100fYou can definitely pair a gaming controller and play games on AVP. And sure, one desktop from the Mac, but a bunch of other productivity apps can run directly off the AVP at the same time. I think you’re just biased and shocked by the sticker price, which is fair. But it’s able to do more than you seem to think.

Should’ve mentioned a very important aspect: resolution, clarity and readability

@mariuspuiu9555

3 ай бұрын

it's better on the VP.

@ocdc3261

3 ай бұрын

@@mariuspuiu9555 it better be for 3K or they'd recalling those mfs for sure lol

@mariuspuiu9555

3 ай бұрын

@@ocdc3261 the difference isn't as huge as you might think. but it is noticeable. i think such displays or something very close will be put into sub 1000$ headsets in 2 years (maybe quest 4 in 2025 or 2026?)

you can go in and out of the passtrough by double tapping the side of the quest 3. also there are is quiet a few environment options.

Subscribed. This is really interesting

I think meta was smart to delay a lot of creature comforts in the UI until Apple dropped their HMD. Because they've been talking about a lot features that never came to fruition going all the way back to half way through the Q2's life span. I believe that had to do with, at least in part, with the fact that apple likes to steal existing features from their competitors. Waiting was a defensive maneuver that allowed them to move against apple now.

I will say I LOVE both of these headsets, switching back and forth though, the quest 3 feels like a toy, and honestly that's WHAT it is. It's something you use to game on and it does it incredibly well, which is why i'm not getting rid of mine. They each have their own purpose and where they stay is based on what they do best. Quest 3 in the gaming room, Vision Pro in the Office.

@likwidsage

3 ай бұрын

I've been programming on my quest 3 since it's release, but it's definitely more convenient with the AVP. It has the ability to do the same things avp does, just in slightly lower res. I'd compare it to 720 vs 2k. The biggest difference is that the AVP has the potential to become a computer on it's own (it's not quite there yet), where as the quest 3 requires an external computer (for work related stuff only). I don't know if that's worth the $3k difference tho considering anyone interested will likely have a pc/mac. It is an interesting vision of the future if we can just wear our computers instead of allocate a monitors and shelves for them. But that's still a ways off imo.

@lolololo-cx4dp

3 ай бұрын

​@@likwidsageyou need Mac if you want to use AVP for work too, but your Mac becomes only one monitor, can't put mac's windows in 3d space. I am curious why they did this tho.

@mrethantheb

3 ай бұрын

@@lolololo-cx4dp It must be a bandwidth limitation, because that data is being transferred wirelessly from the mac. I don't understand why they didn't just add a usb-c port or something so you can have display/power input when stationary.

@lolololo-cx4dp

3 ай бұрын

@@mrethantheb that's what I thought too, but maybe they want to emphasize that AVP is standalone device lol

@likwidsage

3 ай бұрын

@@lolololo-cx4dp yea. But there is *potential* with the hardware and vision it's setting. It won't be with the gen 1 but I could see gen 2 going that way given how they made it focused on productivity

Yeah I'd bet the moving tabs part is most probably a feature that can be added easily in future variants with a new chip or even just better optimisation

Awesome video man

how to you see obstacles in your room in the Apple Vision Pro?

@matiasrubinel742

3 ай бұрын

Its an AR (augmented reality)headset so yes you see them

@vedesh6907

3 ай бұрын

I understand that but in environments where the whole surroundings are virtual how does one see the surroundings? I know that you can see people as they come closer to you@@matiasrubinel742

@nathangodard3333

3 ай бұрын

I don’t own one and have just seen a lot of reviews so I might be incorrect here, but I believe as soon as you start physically walking around it fades parts of the physical room back into your view. I don’t think the fully VR environments are for anything other than sitting/standing still.

@theJesai

3 ай бұрын

​@@nathangodard3333and that's why you don't need to map your environment boundaries

@wrongteous

3 ай бұрын

That's the neat part. When they bring out the VR games on these headsets, everybody is going to be running into their walls and smashing their fragile glass headsets as Apple made their headset so distinct from the Quest line, that the Vision Pro doesn't even have a guardian system.

What happens if you walk towards a wall? Does the vision pro alert you that you‘ll hit your head?

@kazemicode

3 ай бұрын

Yeah. There’s a pop up that alerts you that there’s an object you’re approaching

@fluxnekta

3 ай бұрын

As you get closer the app goes transparent so you know what’s on the other side

@nareshfree

3 ай бұрын

Apple VP disables immersive VR with only 2 steps irrespective of the obstacles. Any kind of walking movement you do disables VR. VP is not meant for walking while in VR.

Great comparison. Honestly makes me pretty impressed with the Quest.

Ok but does the VP warn you about physical boundaries/obstacles as you get near? Because that's the point of setting up boundaries on Quest. It may add an extra step for "full immersion mode" but it's for safety.

Thank you for making this video! I seen a lot comments saying you can do the same thing with the Quest 3 and that's clearly not the case. Meta is going to release the Quest Pro 2 and I think that will be as good Apple Vision Pro.

@scottmartin5492

3 ай бұрын

It might be closer on the hardware-spec side, but it cannot possibly match the AVP for app availability and ecosystem integration, because Meta doesn’t have any of that and likely never will.

@peterdelisle7083

3 ай бұрын

Hey heads up, you keep hearing Quest can do this because the quest CAN do this. This person was absolutely wrong

@divinemeta

3 ай бұрын

​@@scottmartin5492the AVP is missing the biggest VR app library...pc gaming.

@laifyalif

3 ай бұрын

@@scottmartin5492 what do you really mean with app availability tho? cause.. the quest line has already some years and it has WAYYYY more apps (speccially games altough its a bit unfair to say this cuz the vision pro does not have any controllers) or maybe i could be confused, please say if i am confused on this, i would gladly appreciate it.

@NN-sp9tu

3 ай бұрын

@@peterdelisle7083 Did you even watch the video lol

For the record this one isn't accurate. You don't need the controllers to make extra tabs, you also don't need to have the quest make your boundary, and you CAN have tabs all around the room with Fluid. I don't think the AVP is bad but let's at least not lie about the quest

@JamesR624

3 ай бұрын

Well I've noticed Apple fans doing insane mental gymnastics to uptalk a $3500 headset that has worse passthrough, less software, and less comfort than a $500. You can even see in this video that the Quest 3 passthrough is *actually usable* whereas the Vision Pro's feels like a darkened version of an iPhone 4 camera. Insanely washed out and dark.

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

You aren’t exactly right about the boundry. You either set a boundry for immersed usage, and be able to switch to pass trough with one button or a double tap on the headset, or you can turn off the need for the boundry in the developer setting (if you enabled developer mode which is takes some time) but then you lost the pass trough mode until you turn the need for the boundry back. I don’t really understand why meta did it like that, but I’m sure they neither. Also how much did you actually used the quest browser with only hand tracking? I cannot watch a movie like that because the quest always picks up my hand doing something that I am not, and stopping the movie, or jump to random times in it or something, and the hand tracking accuracy made browsers tabs to disappear for me 2 times in a really well lit room.

@scottmartin5492

3 ай бұрын

@@JamesR624 Every reviewer that I’ve ever heard compare the two devices has remarked on how insanely better the AVP’s passthrough is. Are you making your judgement based on YT videos?

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

@@JamesR624the quest 3 screen recording doesn’t really shows the actual quality of the passtrough, when the quest 3 launched, there was (and I think there are still) people who watched a video about the pass trough, saw its quality, bought a quest 3, then complained about the pass trough quality. It’s somehow looks way better in the recording than in the actual headset. But it has definitely worse dynamic range and resolution then the Vision Pro. People who tried both also said that the smaller texts was easier to reed in the Vision Pro. Quest is good for that price, but its price limiting its potential

@vidal9747

3 ай бұрын

@@JamesR624 Maybe you're picking on eye tracking foveated rendering? Because most reviewers said it was much better, even those who dislike apple

Regarding moving the tab to a different window: I don't think you need a controller, you just need to use the "hold pinch" hand gesture from further away. You can use your hands as a pointer, basically the same as the controllers.

the speakers on the vision pro are pretty insane. i thought it was coming from the soundbar at first, very deep bass.

oh boy, this technology is going far!

Nice video! As a Quest user, I would like to clarify that you can chose to have a static environment, identical to Apple Vision Pro, without configuring your area every time. The reason why it maps it out is that in Quest 3 you can literally walk around the virtual environment assuming you have some space :). Not a defect, then, but a feature 😄

@RoIIingStoned

2 ай бұрын

Yea is this guy dumb? The reason why it was immediate is because it didn’t map the environment at all

@folx2733

15 күн бұрын

You can walk around with the Vision pro too... That's literally it's selling point

I don't think either is perfect, but the recent Quest update does allow you to save rooms and things like desk setups which make switching between AR/MX and VR a lot smoother.

I must commend your succinct and astute reviewing style, which elegantly distills the essence of the content, obviating the need for protracted video consumption to discern the nuances. I just admire that bro❤

@The_E_Lord

3 ай бұрын

Are you high?

The resolution gap alone makes the Vision Pro much more usable for text.

@maxjames00077

3 ай бұрын

I read books fine on my Quest 3. But thats not what these headsets are fun to use for. "Working" in vr is fun for a week. Then it gets normal and you only get the downside of wearing a pound brick to your forehead. Work on desktops, play and have fun in VR, which is where the Quest 3 is way better than the AVP.

@maxjames00077

3 ай бұрын

@@comedicsketches nobody said otherwise mate, but at more than 3000$ more and 7x the price and the lack of games and social apps it doesn't make sense to get it over a quest 3. Even with the great resolution. People's buy it cause its a new apple product. If the product was the same but not apple nobody would have bought it because its 4 thousand dollars for something you will use loads for a couple weeks and then you get bored.

@maxjames00077

3 ай бұрын

@@comedicsketches if u wanna spend 4 grand on that to see a screen floating then good luck 😂

@BoltRM

3 ай бұрын

​@@comedicsketchesActually, the Q3 can use it as a giant pc or tv/theater screen very well. Also with virtual desk top you _could_ work using a pc or laptop, although most will prefer working on their devices. Besides for the $3000 difference, you can buy a heckuva tv.

@BoltRM

3 ай бұрын

@@comedicsketches Disingenuous. 🙄

Put it this way, comparing the two is like comparing a Chromebook to a MacBook Pro. Of course you can do most of the same things, but let’s be real it’s not the same experience

@WibblyWobblyChannel

3 ай бұрын

Eh it's more like a playstation vs a mac. Can you browse content on a playstation? Yeah, but it sucks in comparison to a mac. But for gaming there's no competition. VP can't even play proper VR games (it can but Apple won't let it) it's not comparable in that sense

@vukvidanovic8276

3 ай бұрын

Quest 3 is for gaming in VR, and other VR apps. AVP is for AR and sucks at VR. Im interested in VR gaming and VR experiences, so I dont have much of a reason to buy the AVP. The products serve different purposes, like Wibbly said. Also, you can only connect to apple devices with AVP so its severely limited. VR is more fun and importnant to me. What Meta has done with the Quest series is absoloutely amazing for VR technology. The ultimate goal of everyone should be Full Dive VR, a fully immersive VR experience that transports you to a world of limitless possibilities.

This guy is always straight to the point

Is there anyway to get ride of the shadow outline on the quest hand tracking? I bought the quest 3 and it's actually arriving today. This seems like it will he annoying

Vision Pro is cool, but I'll wait until the second or third generation

@Bi0m3ga

3 ай бұрын

Same

@MS10x

3 ай бұрын

Will vision pro gonna get refreshed every year like Iphones or will it be after couple of years ?

@jelliot1014

3 ай бұрын

@@MS10x After a couple of years my guess. What I like is that the Vision Pro's capabilities are so amazing while it is just the first generation. This makes me excited for what Apple will improve in the years to come, while also saving my $3500 for today.

@MS10x

3 ай бұрын

@@jelliot1014 Same thoughts! I am waiting for the day when multiple people in a room with visions pro can watch same content at same time. One guy will be host. Kina like screen sharing in smartphones

The Quest warping is a dealbreaker; that messes with your visuals. Not that having a grainy/blurry background is great either with AVP, but now understanding a bit more with foveated rendering and your main focus is on the apps and content being clear and bright, it's more acceptable. And then needing to go back and forth between controllers and then putting them down to type just doesn't make sense, whereas having your hands free all the time you can seamlessly go between finger/hand movements to typing, whether the air-keyboard or physical, is a much better user experience. There's definitely a market for both, similar to Android vs. Apple, and to each their own on what works for you -- if you don't need that level of user experience, go the more affordable route. If you want a great user experience with a holistic ecosystem, go with AVP. It will still be key for developers to dive into making AVP-dedicated apps -- if it goes the way of Watch where devs aren't creating for it, that'll negatively impact the product. If it goes the way of Mac or iPad, there's a lot of opportunity to develop apps for AVP.

@a.zeppeli4454

3 ай бұрын

you don't need to go back and forth, you only need controllers when you open an app that requires them. I'm a quest 2 user and i only pick up the controllers when i get into a game that doesn't support hand tracking. Obv you can just use controllers for everything, especially if you want better tracking (compared to any type of hand tracking, at least for now)

@kmo475

3 ай бұрын

@@a.zeppeli4454 exactly, and you obviusly can type with the controllers too.

@ILFforever

3 ай бұрын

Some People don't know this but the Quest does run Android (I think it's Android 12) So all Android phone apps will work really well with it. Definitely won't work as well as dedicated Vision pro apps but they're good to have. You can load up your favorite game/movie app on to the quest an it will work great.

@lolololo-cx4dp

3 ай бұрын

AVP is kinda useless compared to meta quest rn

@nonegone7170

3 ай бұрын

You're 'speaking from experience' without having experienced either of those devices? Pretty weird.

Guys i recommend if you are struggling with hand tracking, make the browsers zoom a bit bigger (like how you can do ctrl + on windows) to make buttons bigger

I see what they mean with the difference with pass through. Nice video.

Yeah my Ford Pinto will do everything my Mercedes does, like drive me to the store, but man driving my Pinto really sucks. and then Facebook........

@jayaviation2486

3 ай бұрын

The same can be said about Apple and their closed ecosystem.

Having now attempted my usual gamedev workflow in both via my laptop, it’s not just that the provision was the more useable experience, rather it was the only useable experience. Im sure others can work within the quest, but for me the eye strain was unbearable, whereas I felt no strain at all with the vision. That said I reckon I’ll still vastly prefer my 3 monitor desktop workhorse over any vr alternative for a few more years.

nice, im more than happy with the quest 3 being my intro to VR/AR

There are some setting on the quest 3 that enhances the hand tracking. If I remember right you have to turn on developer mode but I could be wrong.

Can you see your body in immersive environments? Or just your arms? Where is the cut off? Also, will immersive mode warn you if you’re about to walk into a wall?

@LogicLegionnaire

3 ай бұрын

It’s not meant for walking, it will stop showing you if you start to walk unless you’re on a vehicle

@aboucard93

3 ай бұрын

You can't see your body and you get a warning win you're to close to real objects and those objects phase in to your immerse environment.

selling my stupid quest 2 and getting this vision pro. fk it!

@futuristicbot

3 ай бұрын

That's so real same

@alexzz1234

3 ай бұрын

Take advantage of the target and Apple gift card deal that’s going on next week. Definitely lowers the cost of the device

@prizo4822

3 ай бұрын

why? Other people like either Meta or Microsoft are gonna take the vision pro as reference and make something better. It is better to wait than to spend your money on something overpriced.

@hip360hop

3 ай бұрын

​@@prizo4822because they want the vision pro and don't want to wait for windows to catch up?

@PySnek

3 ай бұрын

don't do it, wait 2-3 years

So with the quest 3 can you pin a tab or say netflix app in a certain region of the screen that locks there and follows your view? I want to clean the house while watching youtube lol.

Bro.. YOU CAN SEE YOUR HANDS IN VISION PRO'S IMMERSED MODE?! THAT IS AWESOME!!

Yeah the Vision Pro is far superior 👌

@andrewleonardi3351

3 ай бұрын

I'd hope so for 7X the price

@AM_9924

3 ай бұрын

@@andrewleonardi3351 Absolutely. Let’s hope the 2nd gen of Vision Pro gets cheaper.

Quest 3 still has pretty noticeable hand tracking latency, curious to see how the Vision Pro will feel!

hand overlay ( that you saw your own hand in virtual environement ) will come soon to quest 3 but its not here yet

to drag the tabs with hand tracking - there are two ways (not including using controllers), either press and hold as if tapping a screen and drag it, or pinch it from a distance and drag it, what you did was pinch the screen, which while it should work, doesn't

A $20k car drives and has some of the same features as a $200k car. But the experience is different.

@IceYetiWins

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, and it's obvious which car is the sensible option to buy.

@WibblyWobblyChannel

3 ай бұрын

​​@@ehtasam940not at all true considering how a lot of what VP can do, Quest can do as well- not the nearly same quality (with the lenses + software) but they're still somewhat comparable. That is where the practicality to price comparison comes in.

so you have to keep all the windows at the same place on quest and people are saying its better than vision pro?

@ILFforever

3 ай бұрын

I don't think anyones saying that, considering the price difference. It's just that the Q3 achieves somewhat 60-70% of the Vision pro's features at a much cheaper price while having only a 20-40% performance increase (Snap Xr2 gen 2 based on 8gen2 vs m2 running at iPad speeds). So it's not weird for people making comparisons and it's definitely not impossible for Meta to implement Vision pro features in the Quest 3.

@somekindofmonster3613

3 ай бұрын

@@ILFforever Vision is basically a macbook pro you can wear, quest 3 doesn't have specs to do things as good as vision pro. It's like saying a toyota can mostly do what a rolls royce can. You won't probably argue toyota over rolls royce. Also vision is a highly premium product that doesn't aim to reach everyone, quest 3 does. So I think it's kinda unfair to compare. This is literally same as comparing high spec computers to lower spec computers. You can say they all can run same programs on windows but is the experience same?

@ILFforever

3 ай бұрын

@@somekindofmonster3613 as I said the specs are quite close at 20-40% increase. So It's not totally far off not really mobile vs laptop. Apple still has to work with physics here higher resolution screen will also use more power. So to keep that 2hr battery life they'll have to throttle the M2 down a lot to maybe even below iPad speeds. Still software on the Vision pro will be top notch but don't expect the quest to not be able to run same/similar apps as the Vision pro.

@somekindofmonster3613

3 ай бұрын

@@ILFforever It can run the similar apps and softwares, thats why I gave the high/low spec computer example. Quest 3 cannot give the same experience as vision, it just cant, because its not just a software difference. Besides m2 vision also has R1 dedicated to calculate sensor informations, its just a better overall computer. Meta can make a better model in the future ofc no doubt, but the gap between cannot be closed with a software update. I also believe apple will make the market more competitive now, Im pretty sure other companies will try to mimic their solutions to most problems. In the end we will get this technology for cheaper as consumers

@ILFforever

3 ай бұрын

@@somekindofmonster3613 Meta like apple also has a specific in-house chip for video and sensor computing which is as big as the R1. I doubt it's as powerful as the R1 but it's good enough for VR gaming. I do agree that the competition in the space would be great considering Meta has been dominating in the VR space for ages (1st place with 48% of Steam vr users are using a Quest 2 and 5.20% are now Quest 3 at 5th place, which is impressive considering most Meta users play on-device games) when apple hopefully releases a 2 gen at a more reasonable price I would love to see how Meta will respond.

How r u able to type like that on your oculus 3? I still have to use the point and pinch to type…

Could you answer me a question? There’s 3 times of environment you can see: -The “3D realtime rendered”, that you can move through, and and regardless of the angle of your head, you will see 3D, in which Quest environment is. -The “pre-rendered”/captured 360 stereoscope, so you can see depth but only when eyes are horizontally aligned. Also, if you move yourself, the environment moves with you. -And pre-rendered/captured 360, not stereoscope, you can’t see depth, so you feel inside a globe. Which one is Vision Pro environment?

It should be said that this is mostly a comparison of the software, and the quest will continue to get updates. Many features on the vision pro have already been planned or are already in the works for the quest 3

@joos3D

3 ай бұрын

They'll both receive updates, but the Quest does have a good track record. The biggest differences are in what the hardware is capable of. Top notch displays, two chips eye tracking and better mixed reality on AVP, dedicated controllers for gaming on Q3/QP. The price is obviously extremely different, but vision pro seems like a way more pleasant experience if money isn't an object.

@BoltRM

3 ай бұрын

Money is no object, til you are rich no more

@eulehund99

3 ай бұрын

​@@joos3Dyep, gonna be wild when Meta releases a OLED VR Headset with eye tracking and a better chip. Imo their software is good and doesn't lack important stuff, they only need better hardware.

@vukvidanovic8276

3 ай бұрын

AVP is shit at VR. That makes it half a product compared to Quest 3. AR is much better on AVP but it literally lacks the most importnant part of VR headsets and thats good VR. AVP should be called AR goggles and not be compared to Quest 3 which is multipurpose. AVP can be described as a great viewing experience and Quest 3 as a multipurpose gaming console. No one ever mentions that AVP is a subpar VR experience and I dont understand why. For 3500 dollars thats really dissapointing @@joos3D

you can use different software for the quest 3 to have a better experience with tabs and what not

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

But it’s still not the same. Fluid can do multiple independent windows, but only browsers, and I tested it yesterday because I was curious, it’s really laggy fizz like 6-7 windows. They are jumping while you are moving and things like that. You can use immersed to connect to your pc and have up to 5 virtual display of your pay for it. But it’s also kinda laggy, and the displays look like only having 30fps, even when used only one. Also while using one you can’t use another. So you can’t connect to your pc while doing other things in the quest.

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

Yeah this was more showing out-of-the-box features. Half the point is that someone new to mixed reality could pick this up and understand how to do most things. I’ve had the quest 3 since day 1 and still had to research how to get multiple tabs open in their browser.

@thekumbucket2157

3 ай бұрын

@@himelstechhonestly I feel like that’s really just user error cause I was able to figure that the day I got it

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

@@himelstech i actually tried to use the quest 3 as you used the vision pro when i bought the quest 3 at launch, today tried it again. i lost 2 tabs randomly thanks to the hand tracking :D

@NN-sp9tu

3 ай бұрын

@@thekumbucket2157 There shouldn’t be anything to figure out, it should be immediately obvious

It's a nice comparison!

Just waiting for the version of the AVP that has "retina passthrough" or whatever they decide to market it as

Quest 3 is better for gamers

I still don't understand potential usage of Vision Pro, there are absolutely no app that could justify that cost, quest 3 on other hand have huge library of native games and apps.

@nathangodard3333

3 ай бұрын

Apple fanboy here. Right now I think the honest answer is that this isn’t for most people. It’s more of a cool tech demo than a true consumer product outside of a couple niche jobs and situations where it can improve productivity. Longer term, I think the goal is to effectively replace the iPad Pro at a similar price point. It’s not replacing your phone or laptop, and it’s not for games. But the people who get a lot of use and value out of iPads will get much more out of this in the same situations for the same types of things. Obviously it needs to get much cheaper/lighter, and have more shareable experiences. But this generation has done a lot of work just drumming up interest and hype, which I think was the goal. Selling a much wider audience on the idea that VR is good and something they could use was the first hurdle Apple had to overcome.

@hingle_mccringleberry

3 ай бұрын

VP is the beta proof-of-concept. I think the real jazz will be “Vision Air 2” or whatever the nomenclature will be

@courage04

3 ай бұрын

Potential usage could be a lot but the cost is mainly due to apple's brand value. You can also compare any device on the planet with its Apple counterpart the price of apple products will always be higher in most of the cases.

@AlkaVirus

3 ай бұрын

​@@nathangodard3333kind of embarassing to admit to liking this garbage company that takes advantage of dumb people. Even more so with your picture attached to your youtube account.

@NN-sp9tu

3 ай бұрын

Just curious, how many of those apps do you use regularly?

The pass through camera on the quest seems to cope much better with the low-ish light in your room

I’m glad KZread recommended me your channel. Pretty cool stuff

Vision pro is more a laptop on your face, quest is a gaming console .. comparisons are a little bit subjective here since you compared just a single feature, not the whole device and all of its capabilities, , the quest 3 is bit more concerned with your play space as you can bmp into walls while playing intensive games, so far vision pro has been a very much a seated experience, or when moving about, passthrough is on. so you can see your surroundings.

is a nice video but i mean yeah, its a very simple coparasion of some of the realy most basics aspects we alrdy know that the avp is more expensive and has better ui with eye tracking and all, nobody is saying the otherwise avp is better in what it does but for a video making up bc a coment of "oh u can do all this in the quest just for 500 dollars" u are dont comparing almost nothing compare the apps, what u can actually do in each device, i mean, not just for a avp user (safari, youtube eternal cycle) perspective on quest u have to set up your space for vr because vr is not just for evoirment like the avp, but vr is for moving inside and do things, games fitness, social, worlds avp dosnt even tell u if u are close to some wall or something, is not for that, the vr in that thing is just evoirment for isolate you and nothing more interaction or something

Try and make a video about Fluid (a Quest 3 app). It might give you the features you wanted and beyond.

Nice comparison

I bought the Quest 3 to be able to experience this cutting edge tech on a budget and it delivers just that. Is it buggy? Yes. After trying the Vision Pro I can say they offer very similar experiences. This Vision Pro is just much less buggy and sharper.

I mean I'd pick up a controller every once in a while for certain tasks all day if it saves me $3000

@SheikAshii

3 ай бұрын

You never have to pick them up. And you never have to put them down either. I to k now he was trying to move the tab was with a pinch touch which isn’t how you do it. You use your hand as a cursor like he when he had a controller. You can point the same way with your hands

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

You missed the point.

@castin5244

3 ай бұрын

@@nagyFerkoWhat is it then?

@NN-sp9tu

3 ай бұрын

I’d rather have no headset than a quest 3. AVP is too expensive so I’ll wait for something better and cheaper to come out

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

@@castin5244 everything is much more uncomfortable, and more limited in the quest 3. You can’t have apps floating around independently. You are limited to only 3 windows locked together. Also the system of the quest is just works really thoughtlessly. Like they had no idea how to do what they tried to do. Also you could do what he tried to do without a controller, but not with touching the panel, but to pinch from a distance. There are things you can do with direct touch (I think that’s how meta calls virtual touch panels) and things that you can’t, but there are no universal rule to what you can and what cannot.

Very nicely explained. I am waiting for Pico 5. Do you have any idea when it is going to launch and at what price?

@HrabingerOfFate

3 ай бұрын

pico 5 has been canceled

@aforashish7

3 ай бұрын

​@@HrabingerOfFate ya I know it's cancelled for now. But when it's launching.

@Nightcore_Paradise

2 ай бұрын

I think Pico stopped developing VR hardware.

You can drag tabs out with your hands, but it only works with pinching. Idk why that is for me, but I have to use the pinch pointer, and then I can make multiple screens.

If you haven’t experienced the the VP I can understand why one would defend the Quest like they do. Once you experience the VP there’s no going back though. If you can’t afford the VP I recommend you don’t try it out if you have a Quest device. Your eyes and mind will forever spoil you

@SKY-fu5yo

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, I keep seeing negative things said about the vision pro that I had to lower my standards. But when I went to do the demo it was easily beyond anything we have right now. Video does not do it justice, just go out and try it even if you are a skeptic.

@aboucard93

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice. It seems like people who try the AVP say it's truly a new experience.

@justin2956

3 ай бұрын

@@aboucard93it is. I did the demo a couple days ago and I was truly blown away. I didn’t make the purchase right then and there. I wanted to sleep on it for a while. Over the last few days I just can’t get over how awesome it was and put in my order today. Going to pick it up from the store in a few hours. Ya it’s insanely expensive but I’ve always been an early adopter of what I believe to be groundbreaking tech. I had the first iPhone too and every said I was crazy for spending that much on a phone but I knew it was something revolutionary all the way back then and I was right. I get the same wow factor from the Vision Pro.

Small correction. There is a way to pin windows all around the room on Quest 3 called Fluid. It wasn’t showcased in this video but this is still a great comparison

@nagyFerko

3 ай бұрын

But fluid is kinda laggy on the quest 3 when using multiple windows. Also limited to only browser windows.

@dkoorse

3 ай бұрын

fluid is laggy

@AlphaEchoFoxtrot

3 ай бұрын

Is it included with the Quest? No, then gtfo

@SheikAshii

3 ай бұрын

@@AlphaEchoFoxtrot That's weirdly hostile. But there are plenty of things that are shown that aren't included in either headset so what's 1 more? Would you way the same thing about an iPhone? I can film on multiple cameras at the same time ithg my iPhone 12 pro but it's not an app installed by default so does that mean it's not worth mentioning? Actually curious what your take here is

Do you also do archery ? If yes then which one - Compound or recurve or barebow ?

@himelstech

3 ай бұрын

No, where'd you come up with that idea?

@ravigangani

3 ай бұрын

Around 00:30 : I see some Introduction to archery stuff on your screen … this is why i asked 😁… i do Olympic Recurve archery for fun so archery kind of stuff catch my attention 😂

@knyt0

3 ай бұрын

@@ravigangani those are just random vr browser games

Great video! I have a Quest 3 and I love it. And it makes me happy knowing it can compete with the Vision Pro. I don't plan on buying a Vision Pro anytime soon, but I will down the road. But for the time being I'm very content with my Quest 3. Plus I have a feeling Meta is going to release updates that make the Quest more similar to the Vision Pro. So in many ways, the Vision is the best thing to happen to the Quest.