Tesla should add a spot on their towing software where you input the towing weight to give you a more accurate range calculation.

@USUG0

5 жыл бұрын

I believe the main factor here is drag, more than weight

@mattsonmccraw6767

5 жыл бұрын

@Kristofer Olsson Well said

@mattsonmccraw6767

5 жыл бұрын

@Zoltán Kárpát Well, the speed can be predicted based on what the speed limit is. Other factors would be minimal (with the exclusion of shape). It wouldn’t be a perfect fix, but it would make the estimate more accurate.

@Chilukar

5 жыл бұрын

@@USUG0 weight plays a role but at higher speeds drag is by far the biggest factor. Drag is a function of area and velocity squared, so having that massive flat area pulls heavily on the car hurts, but going at higher speed makes it much worse. As they reduced speed from 70 to 55 mph (21% less) they reduced drag by 38%.

@pdd3

5 жыл бұрын

I really considered getting a Model X but mainly because it costs 2x my yearly take-home pay, I decided to go for a Nissan Versa instead.

30% of the charge was consume just from playing with the dash 🤣

*"do I need to bring a generator?"* -kent the tow truck guy

@christopherwilson9140

5 жыл бұрын

The funny part about that is you have to use an inverter and it has to be grounded to earth or else the computer wont take the charge. Even if you get that right it takes a lot of gas and a long time to charge a tesla with a generator.

@lesliefranklin1870

5 жыл бұрын

@@christopherwilson9140: Since they were at a truck stop, there would be plenty of gas available for the generator.

@jfbeam

5 жыл бұрын

"Sure, if you have a 350kW geny sitting around... connected to a Tesla supercharger." Even then, it would take several hours to fully charge.

@900108Chale

4 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@mikeyho7646

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂💯👏

Man you guys should have started the tow portion with full battery lol. This really shows how much further electric vehicles need to come for pickup trucks and towing.

@KushgoFR

2 жыл бұрын

but it alrady came this far even going one mile with that much is such a shock

Two guys in a tesla listening to elton john tiny dancer on repeat killed it.

@paulwicklund1052

5 жыл бұрын

Next time play AC/DC Thunder. It might help.

@jeffersonmayfield6701

5 жыл бұрын

Don't judge us, axxhole 😂😂

@ThisaraGamalath

5 жыл бұрын

whats wrong with tiny dancer?

@hallkbrdz

5 жыл бұрын

Jackson Brown - Running on Empty, seems appropriate. ;-)

@hallkbrdz

5 жыл бұрын

Or how about: Kind of a Drag - The Buckinghams

Mainly due to financial reasons, I'll never own a model X. BUT, I love these test videos.

@ayo30s

5 жыл бұрын

You’ll get there soon Brother plus the prices of EVs will drop in the near future, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸

@sferris33

5 жыл бұрын

And I suspect the Tesla truck will cost about the same amount. If it costs only $60k I'm not sure most people with trucks will want to mess with this kind of nonsense. $75-90k maybe 1% of truck will buy. $90k+ maybe less than 0.5% will buy. Good luck Mr. Musk.

@johnbradley2016

5 жыл бұрын

Tesla has only been profitable 2 mos but that didnt stop them from making cars yet so..

@sferris33

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnbradley2016 then how do they still exist. I wish I could be like that where I don't work and live in a mansion

@johnbradley2016

5 жыл бұрын

Stephen Ferris $10+ Billion (yes with a “B”) in debt

Why in the world are you towing at 70MPH? That is insane. No one should tow over 60 if they have any sense at all.

@sekopiski

5 жыл бұрын

Was wondering the same. In Finland it's illegal to go over 50 mph if you are towing.

@charlesjackson3092

5 жыл бұрын

Your kidding, right? Drive the speed limit or stay off the highway. Come on Finland 50mph that’s ridiculous. Small countries do weird stuff

@rncondie

5 жыл бұрын

Reality in my state people towing 30 ft 5th wheels 70 -80 mph Drive 55 to 60 mph on the interstate when the speed limit is 70 mph in high density areas and up to 80 mph in rural areas is dangerous.

@donhappel9928

5 жыл бұрын

And yet almost every pickup towing a trailer down I5 is running 70+.... Notice in some of the video even at the speeds they were running there was a huge line of cars backed up behind them? THAT's why they were towing at 70 mph. Because in the real world even here in CA where the towing limit may be 55, nobody actually drives that slow on the interstate.

Results are quite similar to your F-150 ecoboost test. It dropped from 24 mph to 8.7 mph on the same 66-mile, 70 mph test. That's 2.75 times the fuel to drag the trailer vs. empty. Suddenly, 42 mpge doesn't seem quite so bad. Conclusion: Trailers are a real drag. :)

@Paul-cj1wb

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganholmberg2295 how many things do you tow over 150 miles? And on mountainous terrain no less. One single charge just before they started towing would have gotten them there easily. Besides, they're not comparing an EV pickup truck to an ICE pickup truck. They should be reserving this test for when the Rivian, Tesla, and Ford EV pickups are out. A luxury SUV, whether electric or ICE, is not a pickup.

@TheEldruva

5 жыл бұрын

True, but you also have the battery capacity of 2 equivalent gallons of gas.. so

@Perforator2000

5 жыл бұрын

Towing any significant amount with anything except a diesel engine, is going to absolutely kill fuel efficiency.

@user-tb7rn1il3q

5 жыл бұрын

Perforator2000 It will kill Diesel engine mpg just as much. The newer diesels get worse mpg with all the emissions requirements. They aren’t worth it anymore. Electric vehicles make even less sense.

@Perforator2000

5 жыл бұрын

Diesel engines lose a bit less efficiency than gasoline engines while pulling loads, unless I'm mistaken. It still decreases a lot, but not to the insane level seen with gasoline engines. The Tesla beats them all in terms of cost per mile and overall energy efficiency, but its usual efficiency and range seemed to be destroyed by this test, to the surprise of nobody. Like others have pointed out, they maxed out the weight and aerodynamic drag and drove 70 mph. The outside temperature was high and the internal temperature of the batteries was likely higher than optimal as well, making things worse. I'm surprised the car didn't need to stop and cool itself.

I tow for a living. With a pick up truck and with my semi and I never do 70mph... it's so much less efficient than sticking to 65mph. You basically set the Tesla up for failure. Drop down to 65 and you could have kept the AC on the whole way to the charger.

@davedyer3654

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, in the UK I tow 1900kg and the speed limit is 60mph, plenty fast enough, especially if you suddenly have to stop!

@practicalguy973

5 жыл бұрын

Set up for failure? They only drove 65.7 miles, driving 65mph gets you what at best 100 miles range starting with the same battery percentage? Its not a great towing vehicle obviously.

@cmartwin

5 жыл бұрын

Bad Beard Offroad this is exactly what I was thinking, it’s significantly higher when you’re going that fast.

@RawDawgRandy

5 жыл бұрын

@@practicalguy973 they drove 202.4 miles. 65.4 were towing under close to max load at 70mph. Which is a significant amount of force against a vehicle. Especially one pulling a horse trailer that sticks 4 feet over the top of it. They need to switch to a flatbed with the water ballasts on it for a more real world test.

You guys really should have used a range mode from the start. In my EVs, I nearly always use a version of range/eco mode on the highway. It saves a ton on energy. It doesn't mean AC won't work, it just won't blast as cold or hard as auto mode.

@Andrew-qb3oq

5 жыл бұрын

@@carrollshelby8690 they used range mode for the last 30 miles, genius. Like they should have been for the entire test.

@amnottabs

5 жыл бұрын

but muh instant acceleration

@VangelVe

5 жыл бұрын

Who needs A/C?

@96cr

3 жыл бұрын

Range mode might decrease watt usage but physics says it takes a certain number or horsepower to pull that trailer at a given speed, clearly at this time tesla isnt up to the task

I laughed so hard when Andre came out of that trailer with the Unicorn. I love these guys for their humor & efficient testing methods

Shame you didn’t fully recharge before taking the trailer tests. I think you’d have a more accurate comparison because the battery has lower power output as the battery discharges?

@Redemptionx666

2 жыл бұрын

real world tests, you can't just charge 4 times during the day.

32:12 I thought Andre went on a swearing rampage but it was just a truck in the background.

@jeftesalinas6182

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Automotive same 😂😂

@directorjustin

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, I thought it was just me.

@DiegoHernandez-wq6kp

5 жыл бұрын

Haha i was like yup he lost it 😅

@kadebrown6162

4 жыл бұрын

me to

Turning off the A/C was pointless, since it was a negligible percentage of the total consumption. Turning the windows down at speed was worse, due the to increase in drag.

@user-tb7rn1il3q

5 жыл бұрын

Opening the windows creates a negligible amount of drag compare to an AC compressor.

@Sig721Tau

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-tb7rn1il3q Wrong! Engineers have debunked this myth.

@finerthingsinlife4494

5 жыл бұрын

@@Sig721Tau my expedition goes from like 15mpg to 11 12mpg with the ac on and cruise set at 70. I can cruise at 70 with the Windows opened and get 15 all day. Can't debunk real world numbers. My truck eats fuel with the ac on.

@texastriguy

5 жыл бұрын

@@finerthingsinlife4494 Something is wrong with your truck then. Either that or it's horribly non-aero to begin with. It's almost always better to use the A/C on the highway as compared to rolling the windows down. This has been tested countless times and is backed up by the very engineers who designed these cars and trucks.

@TGears314

5 жыл бұрын

Okie Rider I am an engineer and can confirm Brian is right.

Wow that last drafting @52mph even beat my i3 efficiency on a 5700+lbs SUV well done

@andyharman3022

5 жыл бұрын

So, should the driver of the electric car pay the driver of the gasoline car for half his gas cost? OH, come on, chip in a little for dinner!

The energy content of 30 gallons of gasoline - a large gas tank - is 1000 kW hr. The Tesla battery is 100 kW hr, or equivalent to 3 gallons of gasoline. So, I think it performed pretty decently in this test.

@joevsyou

5 жыл бұрын

Yup i agree. Even a gas f150/1500 gas engine would have been drinking fuel. Only issue here was limit access to charging vs gas stations.

@Matter655

5 жыл бұрын

@@joevsyou gasoline is super mainstream but tesla superchargers aren't that widespread

@SethDaughters

5 жыл бұрын

I think electric cars wont make sense until they have at least 4 times the energy density.

@zacharyking6171

5 жыл бұрын

@Matter you realise they said halfway through the video lets just we can skip this charger? There are enough chargers at least in urban states.

@Dan-nj8du

5 жыл бұрын

Big difference is the typical ICE is only about 18-20% efficient at using that 1000Kw hr of energy, so you basically only have 180 - 200Kw hr of usable energy. The typical electric motor is 85% to 90% efficient. Also, you can't add gas back to the tank by using the brakes like you can with the Tesla battery.

I wager the Tesla cares less about the weight and more about the wind resistance coming from the trailer. When you look at the front end of that thing it's almost a giant sail. I would be interested to see you repeat the loop in a flat deck with the same amount of weight. Either way, towing really exposes how little energy batteries can actually store. The car seems to have no difficulty pulling, the trouble appears to be the capacity of the battery.

@robertkubrick3738

5 жыл бұрын

@aurelio milaor cabal Maybe you shouldn't tow with your Volkswagen then?

@ghostthough7874

5 жыл бұрын

"towing really exposes how little energy batteries can actually store" I guess it depends on how you look at it... Cause a fully charged Model X battery has the capacity to power the average house for up to a week... That's a LOT of energy considering "average house" means using AC, microwaves, TVs, charging phones, lights, etc...

@robertkubrick3738

5 жыл бұрын

@@ghostthough7874 They have electric delivery truck/van in europe, they make them aerodynamic as they can and the batteries weigh literally a ton. They don't go 70 mph either. The storage just isn't there for electric power.

@ghostthough7874

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertkubrick3738 I disagree since the Tesla Semi was successfully able to pull 75,000 LB for a range of 500 miles as recently proven. Here's a news article about it: electrek.co/2019/08/15/tesla-semi-electric-truck-exceeds-range-expectation-test-driver/ Tesla has the battery storage technology capable for long distance, heavy load hauling.

@MrJohnadamsgilmour

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostthough7874 the amount of joules of energy available in the pack is equivalent to 2 gallons of gas. And ICE car wastes 90% as heat … so that 2 gallons doesn’t quite translate as 20 gallons but in real life I tell people a full Tesla is 1/2 to may 2/3 of a tank of gas in real world conditions .

FYI it's well documented the car has about 15-20 miles more range when the battery charge is at zero. Many youtube channels have tested out how long they can go before the car completely stops.

@Chilukar

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, but with a trailer that drops to 5-6, and you really don't want to depend on it.

@jamesbeaman6337

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganholmberg2295 agreed and when I pushed my 2006 F250 6.0 while towing our travel trailer, it ran out of fuel when it said it had 6 miles of range left. Prentice, not all Model X owners will be aware of all the "well documented" data to which you refer.

$14 for all that driving and towing!!! I'm impressed!!!!

@andyharman3022

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and they only had to buy an $86,000 vehicle to do it!

@ElectronicsForFun

4 жыл бұрын

im not. it couldn't tow for more than 100 miles.

@Marlow925

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElectronicsForFun it could, if they had a full charge to begin with.

@ramecodiesel8271

3 жыл бұрын

That was to top it off at the start, they never showed how much it cost to do a full complete charge and even that was going to be limited to 80%.

@yuandy3182

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyharman3022 better off with a yukon diesel

I can't resist another comment. Talking about mpge The EPA calculates that 33.7 kilowatt-hours of electricity is the equivalent to one gallon of gas. This is misleading as 33.7Kw is the TOTAL amount of energy estimated in a gallon of gas. But gas vehicles only use a portion of that for moving down the road, the rest is wasted as heat, friction and incomplete burning. So only 9Kw of energy is used from a gallon of gas to move down the road. So tesla 65.7 miles divided by 19.3 Kw used gives 3.36 Kw/mile. Truck getting 15 mpg for 65.7 miles would use 4.8 gallons * 9 Kw gallon for 43.2 Kw used or 1.52 Kw/mile. Or 3.04 Kw/mile for a 30mpg gas vehicle. So in reality the Tesla unloaded at 70mph is geting about 33mpg equivalent (good). HOW CAN THIS BE?!?!? Well you see in the real world you take a hunk of metal and move it a specific distance at a specific speed, it will always require the same energy to move it REGARDLESS of the engine used. Why do diesels seem to get better gas mileage? Because they are extracting a bit more energy from the gallon of fuel most likely. (side point): Since waste heat is one of the main losses in gas cars, it is easy to use that to heat cars in winter with little to no loss in mpg. Electric cars do not have this advantage and so battery drain is greatly increased to heat interior of car.

@jakford11

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine if they ran this test in the cold

I think you all discovered why the Telsa semi truck has been taking so long to develop and produce.

@CarlosAlberto-bi8yb

5 жыл бұрын

This is not the reason for the delay in the production of the Semi, Tesla always takes time to produce any vehicle.

@135iN55

5 жыл бұрын

It was another fictional car.

@robb1165

5 жыл бұрын

I worked at a place with a decent sized electric aircraft tug. It remained on the charger between uses, only driven a few miles between charges. It was very nice to drive due to its incredible and smooth pulling power. So I can see a use for an electric semi around yards and local deliveries even if the range is rather limited. Issue is if it can be used enough in a day, or has special capabilities to justify the cost.

@jeffreytreleaven66

5 жыл бұрын

And wait and see how many trucks are at the Loves, waiting for hours and hours to charge up. Hope the produce in their trailers stays fresh. And, where will the batteries be for the refrigeration units on the trailers be charged?? How many more trucks will be needed on the roads to haul the same weights of products, due to the weights of the batteries being added to the trucks and trailers?

@jotasmail

5 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreytreleaven66 All those problems could be solved, all new advances need some time... Petrol/diesel engines needed a lot of research to be as good as you know nowadays... Not only Tesla, nobody can't make a heavy lorry fully electric in no time and make as good like a diesel truck

I guess I'm keeping my diesel for a while ...

And this is what we call Range Anxiety. Helps to charge your vehicle before each test.

Thanks for this test. I appreciate your realistic test setting and your honest way of documenting! Very interesting result, very much awaited in Europe as well! Keep going like this!

Awesome job boys. Loved the video. Very entertaining. Thanks.

For the Ike guntlet, tow the trailer there with the Ram Rebel, than it should have enough power to just do the grade, than tow the trailer back with the Ram.

@jackhamrick4483

5 жыл бұрын

@Quix ya buddy

Really enjoyed this video, but have they heard of spreadsheets?

@thedopplereffect00

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty awkward switching between Microsoft Word and a cell phone calculator. They should have someone make a MPG spreadsheet for them.

@itechiwizard83

5 жыл бұрын

@@thedopplereffect00 The Excel icon was next to Word icon. Yet.

@TFLcar

5 жыл бұрын

My Excel subscription was having a bad day :(

@matthewnelson5680

5 жыл бұрын

Excel uses waaaay too much battery - they would have been stranded.

@900108Chale

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewnelson5680 ROFL!

1 hour and 15 minutes vs 10 mins at a gas station. Tesla has a LONG way to go. Great video BTW!!!

@HappinessInSeconds

5 жыл бұрын

Typically you woldn't charge to 100%. The battery charges WAY faster at a lower state of charge. If you only charge enough (plus a bit) to make it to the next convenient supercharger, you will save a lot of time. Its worth noting that on a day to day basis, you will typically charge at home, and don't have to spend any time at a charger, because it is always charged in the morning, superchargers are meant for road trips. Fun fact, the Model 3, and the latest generation of supercharger can refill 75 miles of range in 5 minuets, and 175 in 15. Plenty enough to make it to your next pee break and do it again.

@ChainringTours

5 жыл бұрын

@@HappinessInSeconds is right @hyperXism, you just charge 10% to 80% and that can be around 30 minutes, so for many people it's 2.5 hours driving, 20 to 30 minutes break. The speed to charge goes up every couple of months, so soon enough, 200 miles driving, 15 minutes charge for a Tesla is going to be normal. A decent pace for most people doing long 600 mile days.

@taiwoegun1288

4 жыл бұрын

HyperXism actually they don’t. They’ve already come out with v3 chargers. The one that they were at was probably the first ones already made. The ones nowadays are 10X’s faster than that one. So if by long way you mean today, then that’s more accurate

I’d like you tow a small tear drop camper trailer that is more aero dynamic and test the range. Doing some road trip camping with an EV is what I want to do and I think would appeal to a lot of EV viewers

@mskz06

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganholmberg2295 Shape is fine, its just too tall and wide.

@corystansbury

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganholmberg2295 Back of the trailer is more important than the front. Not saying the wedge shape isn't helpful, but it's probably not as big of a deal as you'd think. That's why I look at the Aliner Ascape and laugh.

@anselmolastra

5 жыл бұрын

The best reported by Tesla owners (myself included) is an Airstream Bambi. I had a teardrop trailer and it was awful. Traded it for the Airstream.

@corystansbury

5 жыл бұрын

@@anselmolastra Airstreams seem to be about the only trailer designed for great towing. I'm not shocked at all. Which teardrop did you have and what did it do poorly?

@anselmolastra

5 жыл бұрын

@@corystansbury I had a Little Guy Max. I'd say it cut the MX mileage to about 1/3 or normal. I was afraid to go 100 miles without charging. To be fair, it's a large teardrop. However, it's smaller than the 22' Bambi. The aerodynamics of the Max must be terrible.

It is not the weight that is killing the efficiency. It is the drag and frontal area that is killing range.

@MrConor159

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the speed. 90kph would help a lot with range.

@TGears314

5 жыл бұрын

BigSam 5349 bluff body dynamics ARE a thing. Not everything needs to be streamlined to have low drag

@Jonb01z28

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly no one with a model x is going to be towing a horse trailer. While I love the video and the testing these guys do I would like to see a more realistic towing with a model x, like small utility trailer, trailer with motorcycle/dirt bike/4 wheeler, jetski or small camper or pop-up camper. That would give a more realistic range I can't imagine a trailer with jetski or motorcycle would effect range much unlike that huge horse trailer.

@MrConor159

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jonb01z28 in Europe it wouldn't be that bad. I can't imagine towing a horse very far.

@rkalla

5 жыл бұрын

LOL, "frontal area", I need to work that into my life... "Suck my frontal area!"

Absolutely exceptionally well done guys! Was on the edge of my seat from start to finish! We have a 2018 Model X P100D and our car definitely would have run out of juice before reaching the Denver Super Charger!

Tommy, Excel is your friend.

The Tesla Model X is an SUV not a pick up truck. Yes it can tow but it is not designed for regular towing. Towing a small boat, wave runner or other small trailer is more of what a SUV would be used for.

@dunhillsupramk3

5 жыл бұрын

nah i've seen a few SUVs towed trailers like these with horses, i've even seen an old FJ40 towing a trailer with 2horses earlier this week..

@mtbse789

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the extra motor (3 total) on the Tesla truck will help or hinder. The higher range will definitely help of course.

@newscoulomb3705

5 жыл бұрын

@@mtbse789 Part of the current Model X's inefficiency is that it uses two induction motors, so it never really has an opportunity to rely on a much more efficient permanent magnet or switched reluctance motor. Just look at the difference a single switched reluctance motor made for the Model S (Raven). All other things stayed the same, yet it saw a ~10% increase in range.

Cool max load video. Do some boats, jet skis or other common non-farm equipment please!

@ElectronicsForFun

4 жыл бұрын

they can't, that stuff is too heavy.

You two were really sweating that one - literally! Thanks for the uninterrupted viewing for those who use Ad Block. Big thumbs up!

Best practice is to remain 55mph or lower. Drag is logarithmically increased with speed. That would be your main issue.

@3dimsteve

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganholmberg2295 Yeah, was kinda weird for me not being from the US. My towing experience was in 90's something Nissan Maxima. I found anything over 60mph totally destroyed consumption lol..

@rmtoberman

5 жыл бұрын

In California (the largest EV market in the US) if you tow a trailer the maximum speed limit is 55mph. I would like to see this test with the Airstream 22 foot single axle Bambi Sport.

@hobby_dude_

5 жыл бұрын

Point of the video is can you replace a regular suv that can tow and drive the speed limit under load. The Model X frankly failed miserably. It couldn't do the 62 mile loop at even 5 mph under speed limit for one leg or well below at 55 for second. So formula is when towing large frontal load trailer, divide advertised range by 3.

@benson4u215

5 жыл бұрын

@@reggiebuffat In the driving handbook it says 5mph over is the max you can go (legally) due to deviations In every vehicles speedometer

@andyharman3022

5 жыл бұрын

No, the main issue is that electric cars can't do as much work in a day as combustion cars.

That low battery is my nightmare with an electric car. I can't stands my phone to be below 30%. I'd be a ball of nerves with the car being like this.

Im so glad people arent just ripping on electric cars in here. Hybrid and electric trucks are the future, the technology is evolving. Btw how much did it cost to charge from 2% compared to filling a 28gal tank? I also think that tesla wasant really designed for long distance towing. It needs a bigger battery.

@realrvlife7964

5 жыл бұрын

What's your time worth? 48 Gallons of diesel in under 10 minutes versus 3 hours. the choice is yours. Once they making battery charging as fast I'll consider an EV, the torque and efficiency of the motor is great. Wasting my time is not efficient.

@christopherwilson9140

5 жыл бұрын

@@realrvlife7964 that is a good point. I think you should be able to tow for at least 2 hrs and then recharge in 20 min. That almost falls in line with how often you should be taking breaks on a long trip. Also are you going to have to drop the trailer every time you pull into a port? I think the logical next step for towing, hauling, and off road is hybrids and plugin hybrids. If I could just plug the camper or whatever else into the truck or SUVs power source instead of bringing a generator I think that would be really cool.

@realrvlife7964

5 жыл бұрын

@@christopherwilson9140 Agreed. If thy can get something like that I think it would really help.

The TFL Channel intro at 17:15 is absolute gold! Thanks!

I am loving this series! And no, I didn't know there were 5 channels, I only knew about 3 of them! ::subbed::

I’m wondering how the re-gen braking will perform with 4000 pounds pushing it down the mountain...

@timcartwright4679

5 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't make it to the top of Ike.

@dunhillsupramk3

5 жыл бұрын

very good question, i wonder if the batteries will overheat??

@AkioWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

42 mpg is entirely meaningless in the real-world. It's not a well to wheel efficiency rating, it's not a measure of time efficiency, it's not a measure of how economical it is.

You should try this test when it's -20C out.

@glenm2229

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, park it outside in the frigid winter cold overnight, and see how it does on a couple loops.

@TheHuckinFarley

2 жыл бұрын

It would be finished at the first turnaround of the tow loop.

Very cool test .. good to see what the X can do even being push hard, one other test I would like to see is a towing test at the speed limit 55mph my area on high ways .. normally anyone towing tow at the speed limit .. still very good to see the results going 70+mph towing .. keep the cool test coming .. very good results .. also does other car manufacturers gives out brake controller? Or you buy it aftermarket?

This video was awesome, drafting worked, the montage for the channels was cool, these videos will help people with towing with the model x, and you are really the first people to do these tests, you saw it first on TFLcar 👍🏼

This was extremely interesting yet frightening. Thank you so much TFL!

@ayo30s

5 жыл бұрын

Right??? 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸

@staly23o

5 жыл бұрын

David N I hope they can redo the test with a full charge and range mode on at 75 mph for one with significant road trip stretch. And one at 55 miles?

@johng4527

5 жыл бұрын

@@capn2289 yeah, the real fear is for electric car drivers who don't have a buddy with a truck and flatbed trailer nearby.

@lesliefranklin1870

5 жыл бұрын

Who hasn't driven a gas or diesel vehicle with the needle close or at 'E"? That was the same feeling.

@paulf9653

5 жыл бұрын

Frightening?? You need to get out more.

Tesla should make trailers that have a battery bank that you can plug into the car that would help range anxiety

@MCP647

5 жыл бұрын

Here's a guy that made a DYI prototype of that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/g5Zr2MlpaN3SpbQ.html

@Chobaca

4 жыл бұрын

That's an awesome idea!

@Chobaca

4 жыл бұрын

@neepercreeper not for the environment

@Usainspace

4 жыл бұрын

@@MCP647 and we keep working on that! facebook.com/EVTRex.1/

Thank you guys!!! It gives an idea of how will be electric towing, I feel that a plug in hybrid will be better for this kind of use. Waiting for the Rivian (or any more traditional car or truck) to see how it will work with worse aerodynamics.

A friend has a huge ICE pickup. He told me that on the highway without towing, his consumption was 12.6 litres/100km... but towing his travel trailer he was 36 litres/100km.... so lesson learned, towing reduces efficiency, plan accordingly. I agree with the guy who asked to see pulling a standard 17- 19ft travel trailer. It's Summer, lots of people have travel trailers, not so many with horses.

@cpufreak101

5 жыл бұрын

a friend of mine has a '02 silverado with the big Vortec 8100. he can get 20mpg out of it unloaded and light on the throttle, but when he puts a trailer on it don't even bother asking, you might as well ask where the fuel gauge is at

Very interesting video, the Tesla Model X did much better than I thought it would.

They should have started off on a full charge and they should have been towing at 60-65 mph. It appears that a Tesla has about a 100 mile range towing, that is not too good. Ok for around town. The super chargers are not set up for a vehicle that is towing a trailer. Looks like Tesla has even more things to work on.

@georgedoolittle9015

5 жыл бұрын

not really. not at all actually..

@palebeachbum

5 жыл бұрын

In terms of mileage, they weren't going all that far. If you have to leave your house with a full charge every time, that's seriously impractical. You don't have to do that in a gas powered car. I fill my gas tank once a week. That once refill takes 5 mins. There's a lot more preparation and having to think ahead and possibly screwing yourself should you forget to plug in at home with an electric car.

@fulltimefather-parttimehero

5 жыл бұрын

palebeachbum - you don’t forget to plug in when you own an EV, you pull up and plug in. Speaking from experience, except for long trips, over 300 or so miles, an EV owner never has to take 5 minutes to stop for gas. So over a year at 5 minutes a pop, an EV driver could save 4 hours a year in stopping. Obviously not the case if you drive on road trips. Plus driving a Tesla is way more fun than a regular car 😊

@carsand7284

5 жыл бұрын

Sean Ryan- exept for when your in a hurry and end up having to wait 30min to drive. In a perfict world your math makes sense but in real life nope.

@xcen1

5 жыл бұрын

But that's not realistic. If you want to pickup a uhaul trailer, you'd have to drive from your home to the uhaul station to pickup the trailer. Unless the uhaul has been moved to your home so you can start with full charge at home. But that's the 2nd day, not the 1st day.

Yeah, I'll keep my F-150 FX4 with 650 miles range. Gets me all the way from Houston to Destin, FL on one tank.

At the beginning of the video, you did pull into the supercharger. Wouldn’t a trailer still hook up to model x fit while charging the model X? Those pull in supercharger are made for towing a trailer. I know every location doesn’t pull in ones. Did you try one in that way with the trailer yet?

I saw you guys on 76! I wondered what the heck was going on with a slow tesla following a trailer, thought you were helping him tow or something...

@volvo09

5 жыл бұрын

Neat!

@RyanKiefer

5 жыл бұрын

I saw them pulling this trailer on the north side of Boulder at Jay and 119. I thought it looked ridiculous, but figured "Eh, it's Boulder. Of course someone is towing horses with a Tesla."

Pretty amazing! Show me another vehicle that gets 42 mpg while towing 6k pounds down the highway.

@AkioWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

Who cares what the MPGe rating is? It tells us nothing about the well-wheel efficiency, and it's not safe to be driving 52 mph while semis blow past you at 70 mph, and it's not practical to be driving way out your way and be forced to wait for a battery to charge up.

@xcen1

5 жыл бұрын

LOL the problem is where the hell can you recharge it? With a regular truck, you can just fill up in minutes anywhere. I had a nissan xterra tow a trailer to drive maybe 30 miles or so used a lot of gas yes, but don't have to worry about finding charging station. And that charging station they went to was the last spot available.

You did a great job portraying the range anxiety. I’d like to see a follow up with a highly efficient trailer at a similar weight. The horse trailer is a pretty inefficient profile. If I was not pulling horses I would use something a bit lower profile and maybe more axles...

Excellent video guys, Keep up the good work.

So how many vehicles do you know that can tow 4500lbs and still get 42mpg????? Perfect vehicle for the weekend boater...

@glenm2229

5 жыл бұрын

As long as the trip to the lake and back is less than 100 miles, and the boat ramp is flat ...

@701chevy9

5 жыл бұрын

Get a diesel and do anything you want and get 20+ mpg all the time.

@Dan-nj8du

5 жыл бұрын

@@701chevy9 I own a diesel (2008 Duramax) I only get 20 mpg empty. Loaded with a 3000lb slide in camper I get 13-14 highway

@bjornolson21

5 жыл бұрын

Well, they did have to slow to 25 mph under the speed limit and shut the music and air conditioning off. Lol

@jzndjs

5 жыл бұрын

Good luck when you are climbing a mountain with it

If you haven’t “owned” a Tesla and experienced it for more than a test drive, any experience one cites is anecdotal. You are not obliged to charge at a Tesla supercharger, just like you aren’t obliged to fuel up your ICE vehicle at Amoco. Tesla Bjorn did exactly what you demonstrated for a few years in Norway. When Tesla chargers become scarce, you can charge up at third party chargers at 400v DC (350 km/hr charge rate) or slower 208v AC chargers (35 km/hr charge rate). There are many locations where destination chargers are available (@50 km/hr). No, not in Death Valley. While the slower rate is far from ideal, it’s not much different than siphoning gas from a passer by. You have options. A dryer outlet, an oven outlet, an RV Park, your 110v standard house plug (@3 km/hr). While stupidly slow, it beats having no fuel at all. If you must drive for a living, you probably aren’t Tesla’s demographic. The cars are very expensive, and even too expensive for most people. Just because there are dozens of KZread channels about Tesla, and some KZreadrs flaunt multiple units, this isn’t typical.

@palebeachbum

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an utter pain in the ass. People have lives to go about and business to take care of. Sweating over where to refill your vehicle is a thorn in the side.

@AllanKobelansky

5 жыл бұрын

palebeachbum While my response may make it seem onerous and a burden to keep figuring out where we need to charge, in practice, the Tesla computes that for you and will navigate you to the next charge point, and the next charge point in case the first suggestion isn’t convenient. Tesla collects data, with your permission, that keeps track of state-of-charge of your vehicle and where you are with respect to a convenient charger. As the data rolls in, Tesla “learns” where chargers need to be built. It happens quite quickly. These guys made it look like a project. It really isn’t. You need to “think different”. Or not think at all and go for the ride.

@gondorian1006

5 жыл бұрын

There are level 2 chargers in death valley. Not sure about Tesla I can't charge there.

@billcichoke2534

5 жыл бұрын

@@AllanKobelansky If you don't want to 'think at all' (i.e. obsess over range anxiety) you don't want to fret over any EV, least of all a Tesla.

@billcichoke2534

5 жыл бұрын

@@KristoferOlsson Ah yes, the old 'you must be stupid' response. Tired and sophomoric as it is, another scrap of twaddle thrown out to justify the idiocy of buying an EV. The market has spoken...REPEATEDLY. If you're too dense to understand it, too arrogant to accept it, and too delusional to see it, you have no business judging someone else's intelligence or lack thereof. You have a short window to enjoy your golf cart and throwback to the 1910s. I wouldn't waste that time trying to get others to make that same mistake.

I love that you guys can make me stress over a car that id never think of owning 😂

Legit effort here guys - very entertaining from technical and personality perspective. Nicely done.

Cool video guys. Keep up the good work. May I suggest doing another tow test with a trailer that is a little more aerodynamic. Drag force increases by the square (x2). So when you double the speed, say 50 mph to 100 mph, the drag force is 4 times higher. Essentially it takes 4 times the power to double the speed. So dropping the vehicle speed from 70 mph to 60 mph actually reduces drag by 36%. (i.e. 70 squared = 4900 and 60 squared = 3600, and 49/36 = 1.36. I would like to suggest trying a utility trailer loaded with steel or a boat trailer. I remember reading that the Honda Pilot could tow an extra 500 lbs if it was hooked up to a boat trailer.

Is there any other vehicle that could get 40+ MPG(e) towing that trailer? What is the next closest option? I understand the energy density makes range an issue, but I don't have a good perspective on towing efficiency.

One of your best episodes, well done!!!

Bjorn Nyland has done this test with different types of trailers for years. If you had checked out any of those videos, this wouldn’t be such a surprise.

This is not about weight, but drag. Slow down, and you will be fine.

@PistonAvatarGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Tire rolling resistance increases as weight increases.

all about the aero dynamics lol, towing a box

@TGears314

5 жыл бұрын

Ayush Malpeddi bluff body dynamics ARE a thing. Just because something isn’t streamlined, that doesn’t mean it has a high drag

@brandoncaldwell95

5 жыл бұрын

Its a V nose. Better then 90% of the trailers sold currently. Afterall, ive seen a videk of a minivan with a 4 banger pulling a 32ft enclose trailer flat nosed.

This is a thorough and awesome video. Great work!

Really enjoyed this video! Great job guys!

I had to pop popcorn for this video.😮

great video though. I appreciate all this info

If it dies are you able to push it by hand to get it out of the way or in to a charge station? Or would it be hard to move?

I'd say the moral of this test is drive a lot slower when towing ,to Save battery power. Great video tho. Thanks for doing it. Take care R

@Uploadereeno

5 жыл бұрын

Kind of why the national speed limit for towing is 55mph.

@jonathanfields4ever

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, these guys are silly. 70mph is where drag starts to be a real problem.

@Ody-up6kg

5 жыл бұрын

Driving slower with a petrol fuel is equally beneficial, but most people are willing to sacrifice a big hit on fuel economy to save a (relatively) few minutes.

@shaunsiriweera120

4 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story is buy a normal pick up

Umm, still, 42 MPG while towing anything is pretty freaking amazing! Maybe always draft while towing. #GOELON #GOELON #GOELON #peace2u

@YENKOGT

5 жыл бұрын

I don like the Tesla, but 42mpg daaam...

@StephenMattison66

5 жыл бұрын

@@YENKOGT What the H could be wrong with Tesla?!? It's got freaking F-35 quality computers running it, advanced safety quality & features that are impossible for anything ICE (ultra low center of gravity, brake pads last life of car, no fluids to ever change, play driving games while parked using the steering wheel & pedals, perfect weight distribution, etc, etc, etc) Don't hate on the ONE person (Elon) who gives a crap enough to over engineer everything to outlast everything else, and he's JUST getting started! ALL of the sniveling, whining, complaining for no reason hate-filled haters should be thanking him and supporting the entire "save the world because no one else in history gave a shit to make it happen" movement! #peace2u

@RealityGutPunch

5 жыл бұрын

@@StephenMattison66 holy shit man, you put all your life savings into Tesla stock? You're off your meds if you think electric cars are going to save the world. Check that - you're off your meds.

I see a Tesla Seinfeld episode. Test drive with Kramer on an empty tank

Before continuing the video from the initial distance check, I did my own calculation based on a 1200lb trailer loaded up to 5000lbs and got an estimated distance of 302.5 miles for your trip, just based on change in mass. Add 20% more drag and you'd need a range of 363 miles to have finished your trip. Good thing you guys slowed down and turned off that A/C!

So how do you charge if you have a trailer attached? Do they have pull through charge stations or would one have to drop the trailer in a vacant parking area then back into the charge station? Always hooking and unhooking the trailer up for every charge…every 150miles or so?

That's probably why the Tesla Semi production date keeps getting push back silently.

@AkioWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

The test prototypes haven't made it back yet.

@mtbse789

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe. The numbers are supposed to be better though. It's going to be interesting to see the way the Tesla Semi is set up for towing.

@volvo09

5 жыл бұрын

It's going to need a LOT of battery unless it's just pulling light goods.

@staly23o

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many miles would be a good stop for charging compare to gas vehicle while towing? Is it 200 or 300 miles for a regular truck?

@ryanb7476

5 жыл бұрын

They are saying 1kw per km on the semi, but it will also have model 3 motors which are more efficient compared to model x

I cannot wait for the Tesla Truck. I can't afford one, but I'll be looking forward to your videos on it. Please tell us you'll pre-order one.

@sparklander

5 жыл бұрын

The Rivian will be much better.

@Pekirt79

5 жыл бұрын

Their suppose to be starting under $50,000. That's cheaper than most pickups on the road so you actually can afford one.

@cpufreak101

5 жыл бұрын

@@Pekirt79 "cheaper than most" you do realize the Ram 1500 Classic starts at $17K right? sure it's only a 2WD V6 but it'll tow the same trailer here no problem

@zacharyking6171

5 жыл бұрын

@@cpufreak101 most, the ram is an exception.

my mx does not allow high suspension with trailer uphill (it says high load detected), how could I make this car beeing able to haul firewood in offroad conditions?

What a nailbiter!!! When they do the Eisenhower run, I think I’ll have to go to the hospital for anxiety treatment!!! Regardless, can’t wait for the next video on the Tesla Model-X.

Plenty of range left at the end. I'm not sure why you guys were so worried.

@johnbradley2016

5 жыл бұрын

Adam Cza $90k car and had to drive with NO AC when its 93+ degrees outside

@DefStr8up

5 жыл бұрын

They could have used the AC. Was a bunch of unnecessary drama and over reaction

@vincentp4951

5 жыл бұрын

He had 2% after he had it to the charger. That isnt alot not to mention he had to draft Andre

@jamesbeaman6337

5 жыл бұрын

Nice use of hindsight there to question their concern.

@joshtaylor6617

5 жыл бұрын

I have ran my BMW I3 to zero miles and kept driving around my block until I was bored.

trailer weight is not all that significant when compared with trailer drag. There's a reason RVers tend to drive 55 mph. They don't want to pay triple for fuel; double is bad enough at 55 mph.

@cpufreak101

5 жыл бұрын

shoulda told that to my parents when we took an RV on vacation. my stepdad was so obsessed with getting there quickly that he had no issue doing 80, I remember even passing a couple supercars on our way, of course they were only doing 70 though lol. made it in only 14 hours if curious Buffalo NY to just south of Jacksonville Florida

You wouldn't need a tow if you parked there trailer and drive to a charger. Also what other charges were around besides Tesla's?

I was dubious the new turdsla would yield any interesting videos but I was wrong! I can't wait to see you guys lift this thing and install big tires. 😁

70 mph is so inefficient to tow at .

@PD-we8vf

5 жыл бұрын

David Macdonald 🤔 tell us wise one. What speed should they tow on the highway?

@keithspencer1509

5 жыл бұрын

In most states the speed limit while towing is 55 and waaaaay more efficient

@PD-we8vf

5 жыл бұрын

Keith Spencer are you an idiot or just an idiot sandwich? You must be a child. Have you driven on a highway? No car truck or semi is going 55 mph or less on any highway. 70 is the low end. What you are suggesting is dangerously slow.

@Diap842IV

5 жыл бұрын

R P what he “suggests” is the law. www.doityourselfrv.com/state-towing-speeds/

@AkioWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

70 mph is how fast they normally go. The efficiency of the given speed is besides the point. As long as they stay the same speed when comparing to other vehicles is what matters.

$14 to charge??? Wait. What?

Edge of my seat action! Lol glad you guys made it. What a nail biter 😰

I feel like Andre not saying "Get to da charga!" was a missed opportunity.

So in current electric suvs towing a brick at max weight would be better left to a internal combustion engine

@Chilukar

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. You would probably be OK with a smaller trailer though. Bjorn Nyland seems to do fine towing in his model x all over the place. So just horsey people excluded for now. Although I think they should be OK with the rivian when that comes out, the thing looks like a brick anyway and has like 600 mile range, you should get at least 300 miles towing a trailer in it.

@phamnuwen9442

5 жыл бұрын

@@Chilukar They could gave just gone a bit slower and they would have been fine too.

Lesson learned watching this. Traveling in an electric vehicle is stressful as **** and anxiety range is real.

@PD-we8vf

5 жыл бұрын

palebeachbum Elon is currently investing in xanex. Problem creation, solution.

@sherizaahd

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe doing some strange loop test not involving a charging location while towing makes it stressful, but driving without towing is not stressful at all in a tesla. I understand why they did it where they normally do, but it was still silly because it's a gas station rather than a charging station.

@billcichoke2534

5 жыл бұрын

@@sherizaahd No, a truck using diesel doesn't have this issue, and can do far more things better, and is better made. Additionally, in many cases, a diesel pickup is $40k less expensive than this Model X.

@SaltCritters

5 жыл бұрын

@@billcichoke2534 They still got 42mpge. Show me a diesel truck that can get that kind of mpg. Not to mention that diesel will cost alot more than electric.

@billcichoke2534

5 жыл бұрын

@@SaltCritters Show me a used EV that can do that, and cost only $7-12k. And diesel costs a bit more than electric, but gets you farther, and can tow more. So show me in what universe (even going with a NEW diesel and a NEW Model X) that you're paying less to buy, own, and run the EV. Ain't happening.

Having just started towing in the UK legally, something I have to ask, do you not have to tow at a lower speed than normal driving? We're restricted to 60mph towing on our motorways. Or basically 10mph less on most roads than advertised. Thanks

Awesome video! Amazing information.

Somehow every Model X owner covers the top part of the windshield . Why have such a large glass if nobody wants them?

@sergioromero2k

5 жыл бұрын

I love it, I don't cover it

@david-iam

5 жыл бұрын

Quite the opposite, it’s the best view and I love it. Especially love trips through forest , suspension bridges and cities. Where objects are towering above. The infrared and UV coating + tint they use made it comfy that I don’t usually need the sun shade even. And it’s sunny often in San Diego so that’s saying something.

@xmo552

4 жыл бұрын

Shade

DAMN lol 70 while towing? Isn’t it suppose to be 55 but I’ll do 70 to pass someone then cruise around 60-65

@wyrazowfkp

5 жыл бұрын

In Europe the limit in most contries with a trailer is usually MAX 50 mph .... - some have like 60 mph limit with traction control on a trailer and max. 6 yrs old tires on the trailer.... 70 mph with a trailer is completly illegal due to safety.

@ChainringTours

5 жыл бұрын

That is what I was thinking. 70mph is fast for towing and 55mph saves you SO much in gas/electricity when towing. Drag is a cube function, so it's saves a lot of energy to slow it down some.

@wyrazowfkp

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChainringTours Up to 50-60 mph drag does not affect the fuel consumption that much. The safety speeds with trailer are made from different reasons. The trailer is very prone to do the shimmy moves over 60 mph or even at lower speeds when the weight distribution is incorrect. Also side winds or going downhill with too much speed can end in a ditch as the trailer pushes you downwards. Going 70 could very easy end like this kzread.info/dash/bejne/naCrw7yrdM7YoMo.html

@bigdogford1

5 жыл бұрын

In Texas the max speed limit is 70 unless posted other wise, which is usually about what I run, and for safety reasons i wouldn't run any slower

@stonewp

5 жыл бұрын

The posted regular speed limit is the limit while towing in the USA except for California where it’s 55mph.

So this is great! I think it confirms my suspicion that trying to go all electric for all transportation would cause most of the middle of America logistical issues. If a truck was all electric imagine how much energy that would be. If we threw all of the energy being used on the highway on the back of the Electrical Grid what would happen. All the lights would go out.

That promo for all the channels was GREAT!

I seen to much drama than normal, the people who buy a Model X I don't think gonna tow a horse trailer and if they do, probably gonna charge the battery complete before do the trip.

Why did’nt they bring their own extension/adapter that can plug in anywhere? Slower yes, but a simple solution in a crunch. Also, there may have been many other public chargers around, but the Tesla only showed their own branded chargers. Google Maps on a phone would have shown them and of course, there’s an app for that. Still, great video.

@olivierdols5556

4 жыл бұрын

tesla's standardly come with those adapters an are in the trunk for situations where you cant find a charging station at you location, they should have had one

Absolutely fantastic video guys! But having to disconnect a trailer every time you recharge is going to prove really inconvenient, don’t you think?

Best Tesla video I've seen so far on the tube. I'm surprised the speed limits when towing are so high though, in the UK it's 56mph for heavy trucks and 60mph for cars or pickups with trailers. Unfortunately I sometimes tow a twin axle car trailer and while a 4cyl diesel BMW can manage the weight, it can do it for 350 miles on a tank that takes 5 mins to replenish, I know I know, but super impractical to go electric currently.