The war will be over by the time we get any submarines.

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

Who wins

@taipantaipan941

Ай бұрын

​@@Eric-kn4ynThe enemy wins. Unfortunately.

What they didn't say in this reportage is that AUKUS US/GB submarines have already cost nearly A BILLION AUD (555 millions EUROS) in a breach of contract with France and it postponed the delivery of the new submarines to the next century 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

As an ANZAC from the South Island of New Zealand, it would be great if our big brother Australia had some really good submarines. Some Aussies try to get stuck into us Kiwis over our defense investment, completely ignoring that our total Population isn't as big as Sydney's! New Zealand's Population is just over 5 million compared to our big brother 26,000,000. Anyway NZ has invested in brand new P-8A's, a magnificent aircraft and perfectly designed to patrol our massive Airspace and Oceanic territory. New Zealand works in well with the USA, Australia in the pacific region and our P-8A's will be working in well with our Aussie, US, Japanese, South Korean, Taiwanese and British cobbers! The Fiords at the base of the South Island would be a great place to hide some submarines. Maybe Aussie could have purchased German Subs, they are non nuke, but run on Fuel Cells and are reputed to be the quietest subs in the world, Israel has purchased these subs! OK their range isn't that crash hot in the massive pacific.. Anyway I'm backing our Allies, mates and cobbers!

@Nathan-ry3yu

11 ай бұрын

Theirs no Conventional powerd submarines fit for purpose for Australia region. Even the last choice of conventional powerd submarines choosen was French nuclear power submarine turned into a conventional powerd submarines as they was the only country that was prepared to do it. For RAN. But over budget arguments between the French company and RAN over deadlines and leaks of technology giving to India Australia pulled out of the deal. AUKUS was the best way to go. Just expensive to set up but works out cheaper in the long run. And you end up with better technology and more lethality

@thelogician1934

11 ай бұрын

U r getting yourself killed gor being foolhardy. This is not a game. If you lose, the country is annihilated

@alexander-iu8rr

11 ай бұрын

Cool story bro

@TK199999

11 ай бұрын

Just so you know recent US Pentagon leaks have shown that Australia would allow China to annex New Zealand to stave off major sanctions from Beijing, not even necessarily an invasion. Arguing that the islands population is mostly sheep and they very communist anyway.

@johnchin1456

11 ай бұрын

It will take more than a few subs to protect them from the governments LGBT woke agenda, enjoy!

The fact is our strategic situation has changed, and the nuclear option is a better fit. The whole hysteria in the report on the 'problems with waste and handling of technology' is moot. The SG9 reactors for the Virginia class will be manufactured in the UK or US, and sent here as a module that drops into the sub and doesn't need refueling or replacing for the service life of that sub (33 years).

@TK199999

11 ай бұрын

Very true, but I also look forward to the next Jurassic Park movie that takes place in Australia when China invades. While local Australian wild life (which I assume is dinosaurs) defeats the enemy ala Avatar except more brutally/bloodily...perhaps with 80's synth beat.

@johnchin1456

11 ай бұрын

The french deal was better. It involved the subs being part built in ozzy, with tech exchange. Most servicing, maintenance done in Australia, not abroad in UK, usa deal. Besides costing more, these junk subs will be second hand and very old. Launch codes would be controlled by usa, UK as Australians are treated as infants and not trusted. So funny Australia pisses off it primary trade partner

@johnchin1456

11 ай бұрын

33 years? The subs are not far off the end of their service life, being secondhand and prepped fr scrapping

@MrAndyshanahan

11 ай бұрын

@@johnchin1456 So in your mind we're spending billions buying rusted out second hand subs? Hmmm. pretty sure that's not the plan.

@kentershackle1329

11 ай бұрын

LoL, you think the subs gonna run 33 years straight on? ... the Fuel might not need replacement BUT the whole subs does need periodical maintenance.. every 2.5 / 5 then 15th where deep maintenance is done. This is where the ingenuous french design gonna replace its low radiation rod, cheaper to dispose.

If WW2 taught Australia anything, it's that it is better to deal with aggressors as far away from your shores as possible. Nuclear boats can reach China and maintain extended patrols off its shore -- conventional boats are far more limited and thus, if there should be a fight, it moves closer to Australia.

@newton18311

5 ай бұрын

Americas first line of defence is Europe.

@Gunni1972

4 ай бұрын

If WW3 WILL teach Australia anything, it will be, that Missiles do not CARE where AUS submarines roam. The Parliament building Oil and Gas Storages, Powerplants will still be, where they always were. And Weapons reach a lot further nowadays. However, if you think, that 3 Submarines can cover more area or engage more targets than 9, you should check your brain.

@LeonAust

4 ай бұрын

Time on station 11 days for a diesel in the South China sea and over 3 months or food reserves for a nuclear sub....big difference. Carrying weapons and drones capabilities are vastly superior for a nuke. oh! nuclear subs run on a power plant that lasts for 30 years. With a Nuclear submarine more weapons capability for land attack missiles so what can happen to us can happen to them. Having diesel subs negate retaliation or a reasonable deterrent....get it!@@Gunni1972

@dingoeatswolf3663

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@Gunni1972😂just check the shipping routes China uses to import all those items it needs to survive and function…one sub in the Melaka straight pretty much cripples china acquiring those goods. You should reprogram your brain 😘

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

You should realize China's nuclear missiles will fly over the water and hit Australia proper in a war scenario. How is a sub going to help you with that? Gigantic waste of money.

Since there is AUKUS, maybe the Australian navy should be allowed to lease Los Angeles Class nuclear submarines that is near retirement until their own nuclear subs are ready for delivery.

Canadian here. It's quite interesting that you have a former RCN sub captain commanding one of your Collins boats. Our Victoria-class boats (4) are also aging, so we'll have to see what the next few govts will do to plan the future path for our submarine capabilities. Submarine capabilities are core defense/warfighting competencies, and they must be maintained. Allowing any lapses in these key capabilities would be catastrophic, and extremely expensive to re-establish from scratch. Really, we should also have a nuclear submarine fleet, but previous govts have always balked at the costs involved. We will follow the progress of AUKUS very closely to see if it could suit us in some form.

@goodputin4324

11 ай бұрын

Canada are better off with Scorpene submarines due to its French connection. Bon tonnere!

@Eric-kn4yn

11 ай бұрын

Australia indo pacific is a danger zone cost not primary concern here

@rsinclair6560

11 ай бұрын

You can have our nukes mate.

@rsinclair6560

11 ай бұрын

@@Eric-kn4yn why is it a 'danger zone'. From who ans why?

@oceanic8424

11 ай бұрын

@@rsinclair6560 Primarily China's vast ambitions to increase its influence, and military power. They are also very eager to export their brand of communism; they believe that Western democracies are messy, inefficient systems. In many senses they are because they are high maintenance governmental systems, but the autocratic alternatives are NOT acceptable to us. We value our many liberties, and freedoms. The West must put barriers in the way of China's greedy ambitions, and contain their military expansion. Preparedness and deterrence are the ways to avoid potential conflicts.

worked on these horrible cramped things at ASC for over 6 years. The amount of times they'd need to come in for maintenance was ridiculous. they take filming super serious i remember one dude on site uploaded a selfie taken on board to insta, he got raided by AFP the same day

@nickb5311

Жыл бұрын

the Anzac class is no different, there's a ship thats been sitting at BAE for years now used completely for parts

@georgedres7914

Жыл бұрын

We spend 6 billion a year maintaining collins why not get some off the shelf diesels built my whomever until we get the virginias

@MrDisasterboy

Жыл бұрын

@@georgedres7914 Singapore seemed to get a good deal on its new subs.

@timrogers9931

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDisasterboy They have conventional subs, and built for entirely different uses.

@easternfrontagain

Жыл бұрын

@@georgedres7914 we already had those sub being built by French, then previous Australian government have killed the deal. Now they’re changing their plans again. Gosh

Improper to film? With national security potentially compromised? And the ASC officer just took their word.

@AcesAndNates

Жыл бұрын

Well you all obviously don’t look Chinese so, have a great day!

@koalaseatleaves1277

Жыл бұрын

1) They were beyond the exclusion zone in public waters. 2) What you can see with your own eyes you can take video and photographs of from public areas. 3) There's no media credentials anyone can take photos or video from public areas.

@rbrookeb

Жыл бұрын

China already takes advantage of every countries national security structures. Might as well not make it even easier for them.

I think a lot of journalists and people for that matter in Australia talk ourselves down too much, and there were a lot of holes based on little facts that officials would not fill, to make it easier for the journalist to absorb, so as usual, the journalist went down the negative track because it was safer for him. Not that he did anything for the Servicemen that are out there trying to protect and safe guard our security, they should be praised for what they do, we need more people doing this job, so how about a bit more praise for what they are doing then please!

@kevwills858

Жыл бұрын

Garry Journalist paid by Murdoch or Fairfax media, generally report what their bosses pay them (ie propaganda) I love journalists too .. The ones that work hard and are Void of intimidation or the herd ... Servicemen are great also, so long as they fight for freedom and defend what's right 👍

@russellmiles2861

Жыл бұрын

Oh the Journalist could have gone down far more dark rabbit holes ... They avoided the entire issue of Western nuclear alliance and how our security is embedded in this ... Let alone what role our military plays. And our submarines are not going to every be attacking the PLA-N around the South China sea. That is just never been Australias strategic practice.

@danielch6662

Жыл бұрын

​@@russellmiles2861 so what is their purpose,?

@kevwills858

11 ай бұрын

@@danielch6662 Their purpose and our purpose is to keep the Dream Alive .. Theirs is for Control and Riches, ours is (should be) to live in Peace, truth and harmony .. Mother Earth is our Mothee ✌

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

This journalist never said a bad word about the people serving on the subs, only that we didn't have enough of them.

It says a nuclear powered sub will take around 6 days to reach taiwan strait from perth as compared to 3 weeks for a colin class. in the first place, why do you need to go there to fight it is not your war (if any) ?

@Prometheus4096

Ай бұрын

To help the US fight China in a nuclear war.

@alanbstard4

22 күн бұрын

exactly

Billions dollar for military budget but minimalism for prevent floods in Australia

@teckmenglee8060

Жыл бұрын

Politicians who don't prioritize Australia's livelihoods first, will be replaced at the next elections.

Just doing some quick napkin maths, if we just went for the French nuclear subs which shouldn't cost more than $5B each we could have about 73 subs for the price of 8... I'm sure there's more than just the subs and facilities to build them that $368B is paying for but I'm not convinced it's worth it. Also those French subs run on low enriched Uranium which would be less of a concern internationally and we could scale up lucas heights or build another facility to supply those subs rather than relying on the US to supply us.

@zapbrannigan9770

11 ай бұрын

I think the biggest problem with the french reactors is that they’ll need refuelling and the yank or british won’t.

@charlcoetzee281

11 ай бұрын

The French boats for Australia were a design adaption from the nuclear Longfin Barracuda with 80% commonality. The French are taking their second and third nuclear boats in service. It would have made sense starting with replacement of some of the Collins with the Shortfin Barracuda (the conventional version) and the later ones with the nuclear Longfin Barracuda eventually switching all nuclear over a period of time.

@superdatcha4218

3 ай бұрын

@@zapbrannigan9770 it doesn’t resolve the problem as Aussie won’t be able to refuel it as to manage waste …

@stitch77100

26 күн бұрын

​@@superdatcha4218 but somehow, they will be able to do so with the Los Angeles Class ? (Or the new AUKUS Class that is still to be designed ?) Plus, what you call "refueling" is only a renewal of the fissile material, to ensure the level of "energy" stays regular during the life of the sub's reactor. Whereas the US and UK design only is power during their lifetime (but start with a "higher energy potential", if you want to visualise it). BUT, because you can't refuel it, no more extension of the lifetime like you did with the Collins. Once they are at their maximum (35-ish years) they are toast and unable to power the propulsion anymore. So, given what happened this time with the Collins, I don't get why you would believe that this would be a good idea (I mean, how do you feel with no submarines at all for several years, because you would not be able to "refuel" them ?)

@superdatcha4218

22 күн бұрын

@@stitch77100 Not exactely … US subs use high level of uranium … they don’t need more uranium for extra time, but they are very dangerous if sunk … french sub use poor uranium … they can be « refueled » and are not that dangerous if sunk … and that uranium can’t be use to make nukes

Brits build excellent subs. The Astutes are excellent and they were recently able to track Chinese subs without revealing themselves during CSG deployment by the RN.

@mrw6156

6 ай бұрын

That is why the AUKUS class was selected ! Also the US yards are maxxed out and the RN already had a replacement programme just about to start for ASTUTE.

@superdatcha4218

3 ай бұрын

it seems they are many technicals troubles …

@stitch77100

26 күн бұрын

​@@mrw6156 it was not selected, because it doesn't even exist yet. It was adopted on a wishful belief that it would come faster and cheaper than the US-French Barracuda contract, while lodging all chances to have it locally produced. Great plan

Long live AUKUS. God bless Australia

For the Collins class submarines to have only one vessel deployed should not be too surprising. The US policy is to have 1/3 of the fleet in deep maintenance and upgragrades, 1/3 in nomral maintenance which would leave 1/3 normally deployed. When you're talking about a fleet of only 6 vessels, it shouldn't be surprising that only one ship might be deployed.

@phil20_20

Жыл бұрын

Two is a lot better than one though. 😅 Redundancy is essential in a war.

@SamTheOldMan

Жыл бұрын

👍I wonder if that ratio changes in times of war?

@teckmenglee8060

Жыл бұрын

great work, Australian politicians. I think the common Australians will make better decisions for Australians than the current lot of politicians.

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

The the US keeps 1/3 operational and we keep 1/6. Totally normal.

@douglasnakamura6753

11 ай бұрын

@@Pushing_Pixels We don't normally keep 1/6 peanut

Navy has a long and terrible history or mistreating it’s people and platforms. There is no way in hell they will pull off this project. When I was a sailor in our Navy there were more suicides than I can count. The culture of bullying combined with the near complete lack of accountability in the Chain of Command will result in dysfunction and despair at every level. We don’t have the infrastructure or the engineering talent to pull this off. Our government has delusions of grandeur. If we MUST have nuclear subs why not buy them for the Americans? At least they have proven they have the skills, the knowledge and a Navy with a team that works.

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

Sailors are snowfakes u say ?

@user-nk7yp8sj6o

4 ай бұрын

Older American here. Perhaps the Australian Navy should consider moving a little further away from the British model of military / navel structure & adopt one more like the Americans use. Take a close look at all the US & UK Navy videos out there, especially those dealing with submarines. Look closely at the crews, how the sailors & officers dress, how the crew members interact & the overall working environment. I might be wrong but it appears to me that there is a difference between the two. Talk to your troops that have served in joint operations with the US military & see if these people have any suggestions. You made some good points. Don't sell your people short, I have no doubt that Australia has the intellectual talent to excel in any field. Look at the potential career & manufacturing opportunities if you explore more joint educational ventures with the US. Get courses into your universities & navy training programs now. Best of luck.

@whoisthispianist194

4 ай бұрын

@@user-nk7yp8sj6o we don’t have a fraction of the military budget of the USA, and our talent pool is much smaller. We also don’t have quite the same desire to police the world.

17:17 mark, he sounds just like The Honourable Minister For Administrative Affairs, Jim Hacker. I lost the plot when my son pointed it out to me. 😂

I think the actual age of the pro submarine deal talking heads should be added to their name when interviewed. That way when every part of this deal lapses we have a data point showing what their individual agenda was with 20/20 hindsight.

May God Bless you Australia you have had our backs in more than one war

@hkfoo3333

Жыл бұрын

yes for paying $368 billions in a fight that has nothing to do with Australia. buying nuke subs without nukes missiles. How the heck does those useless sub threaten a far far more powerful China . Even if the subs are nuke armed ... China already has the tech to easily detect these subs as they did detected two US nuke subs one of which got hit.

Australia should have a submarine tender so Collins can be forward based. That would take a week or more off deployment times. We should also be buying Korean subs (until nuclear arrives) that have range and Tomahawks as well as torpedos to threaten PRC bases and shipping. We need them now not in 20 years.

@Smokeyr67

11 ай бұрын

Ken, buying new SSK's would take a decade and cost billions that we can't afford. I'd love to see us have a large Submarine fleet, a dozen SSN's and the same number off SSK's, but unless we want to double the GST, it's not going to happen.

@Eric-kn4yn

11 ай бұрын

Non nuclear state threatening a nuclear armed state ? We need nukes

@koharumi1

9 ай бұрын

When/if the nuclear subs arrive, it would be a clear violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. (The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty essentially requires nuclear weapon states who are a part of the treaty (US, UK, China, Russia and France) to not pass nuclear weapons or technology to non-nuclear weapons states.) So non nuclear subs are the better option

@sneakerbabeful

9 ай бұрын

​@@koharumi1Fast attack submarines are never armed with nuclear weapons; the sub is literally too small. Fast attack subs are only armed with conventional torpedos.

@Kriss_L

7 ай бұрын

@@sneakerbabeful Not true. The USSR/Russia developed a nuclear warhead for a standard size torpedo, and there was also a nuclear version of the Tomahawk missile. The US even developed a nuclear version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder air to air missile decades ago.

We can’t crew them ,we can’t build them, we can’t afford them. The whole idea has got more holes in it than a sunken U Boat.

The thought of buying diesel subs, lol. We Australia need nuclear subs now. I mean now.

The Chinese Navy is large and getting larger by the year, you never hear a politician mention that fact is thanks to Australian iron ore,and quality coal for quality steel production. Can someone in the bubble remind them about Pig iron Bob.

@jefftse4709

Жыл бұрын

The Chinese Navy is large and getting larger by the year, that's a common knowledge. The report of it has been overwhelming

There is an inaccuracy in the report when came to uk British sub and there disposal yes there been British subs pilling up but recently there been plans put in place where now know how to dispose of them safely.

@mrw6156

5 ай бұрын

Exactly - they are in safe condition unlike the Russian subs just left rotting in port for most of the 1990s.

That Australian was so chill about them filming. Here in the states you get body slammed on the first excuse

“We are from the ABC” Oh ok - lol that’s really great security

@alexjapanski6806

Жыл бұрын

That's the whole point lol, Australia is like a village compared to the superpowers ...

@non-human3072

2 ай бұрын

"we are from the SBS" Oh ok- get the f*+$ down now. Eat the ground. Now Should have said ABC

Paul Keating summed It out well. A waste of resources

At first I was gonna call BS on a nuclear submarine engine producing 200MW of power...but he's actually right. The Virginia-class S9G nuclear reactor sits at 210MW

@Eric-kn4yn

11 ай бұрын

Nuke power a real dr jekel and mr hyde

@johnpodo

11 ай бұрын

Yep Lots of power needed to create high pressurized, very hot steam to spin turbine blades attaching to the propellers and electric gen sets as well.

@Chrinik

11 ай бұрын

@@johnpodo well, we used to just burn coal to do the same :P

They can't get enough crews for the Collins how are they get enough crew for more subs that require higher crew numbers. If these subs are ever built they'll make good Dock ornaments.

@michaguy

Жыл бұрын

If they can't find Australians to crew them, maybe they could get some immigrants from China. I wrote to my local MP (Labor) about this and got waffle in reply (the crewing and the dock ornaments not the immigrant bit). Ridiculous waste of taxpayer's money.

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

Life is more comfortable on bigger nuke subs

@weblightstudio8215

Жыл бұрын

They will be American crews

@babychuma1

11 ай бұрын

It's a prestigious job, more navy men in the US have wings than dolphins. And nuclear subs are luxurious compared to diesel boats.

@Eric-kn4yn

11 ай бұрын

@@weblightstudio8215 wait and see early on may be a mix of usa and australian futures hard to predict. Who thought we would get nuke subs pre pandemic the virus from imperial China. Dont you just luv em

As long as the wheel is on the RIGHT SIDE ( correct side) we can probably not crash them :)

The $350billion includes a contingency of 50%. That means the cost estimate now is about $235 billion.

The older a sub get the more noise they make, mitigating the noise issues will only go so far. Noise is the biggest enemy of a submarine. We should have started started the transition to nuclear powered subs, at the beginning of Collins service. So in 2023 we could have gone straight to nuclear subs seamlessly. The Collins should be a museum piece by now. Had successive governments had the courage to do so.

@kentershackle1329

11 ай бұрын

Till ya realize, Nuke powered Subs are Noiser than AIP conventional....

@klausschroiff4405

5 ай бұрын

Indeed - a nuclear reactor is a steam machine with many moving parts.

Can anyone explain to me , how does a nuke powered sub with conventional missiles threaten China witch has not just normal subs but far more nuke armed subs. What is the logic of spending $368 billions so to be able to dive longer in the waters of SCS or Taiwan and can be very easily detected. Nuke powered subs would be outdated by 2040 when Australia gets its useless subs.

@tree70737

11 ай бұрын

Nuclear subs will not be useless by 2040. The world oceans are vast and these subs can go anywhere undetected. The Virginia class submarine doesn’t have to be refilled for the life of the sub (20+ yrs). And they soon will be outfitted with hypersonic missiles and drones. America has been transiting through the South China Sea undetected by China’s navy. These sub will be a game changer for Australia. If these subs wasn’t a threat, China wouldn’t be complaining about the AUKUS deal.

@quoccuongtran724

11 ай бұрын

longer operating range, thats the sole reason it got passed

@kentershackle1329

11 ай бұрын

@@quoccuongtran724 to do what ? you wanna encroach China waters..? ya think ya gonna be able to get pass ? in Shallow waters ?

@nagnag01

9 ай бұрын

Modern nuke subs are just as quiet as D/E subs, but far more dangerous, they can sit and launch land attack cruise missiles from just off the coast, then slip away at greater speeds than surface fleets can manage.

@hkfoo3333

9 ай бұрын

@@nagnag01 true. That is why all countries do have nuke sub deterrence. The difference is how able are countries able to detect subs. In this area , China is way way ahead of US or any country in the world. This was illustrated by the recent Taiwan events of exercises and China detected two US subs in Chinese waters one of which was later damaged by a drone sub .. China immediately knew the presence of the subs and carried out intense area and naval detection. You can never see US able to do this.

If we had of just stuck with the Japanese Soryu, we would have five boats in the water right now.

Thankyou. Regardless of nukes we need to build six new Collins. The older ones relegated to training preparatory to decommissioning.

I don't understand the negativity surrounding the Astute Class, when it is compared to the Virginia Class. Yes, UK MOD projects have historically come in late and over budget - but when they get there the kit is usually world class. I believe the Astute Sonar system trumps the Virginias every time - or am I mistaken? I also understand the 25 year lasting reactor core (beating anything the French, Chinese or Russians have) was largely developed by, or had a great deal of input from, RR. Just because someone served in the RAN in a submarine doesn't necessarily make him an expert on everything related. Just my opinion from what I observe/study.

@RogerPalmer-pi9yb

9 ай бұрын

Astutes are great boats. Yes sonars are the best in the world. They gave the Americans a shock when one went over to test it against a Virginia I think a block 4.

@nagnag01

9 ай бұрын

Building a new class of anything is incredibly complicated and difficult and I suspect all new classes of warship come in late and over budget. This is the price you pay for being at the cutting edge of world-class submarines

@MN-vz8qm

5 ай бұрын

The British Astute-class submarines, operational since 2010, are newer and incorporate technologies that surpass those of the Virginia-class submarines, which were first commissioned in 2004. Their advanced sonar systems are supplied by Thales, a French company deeply involved in military technology. Meanwhile, the latest French submarines, launched in 2023, are equipped with the newest advancements in submarine technology. Astute-class submarines boast reactors designed to last 25 years, covering their entire service life without the need for refueling. In contrast, French submarines, expected to serve for 30 years, require refueling every 10 years. However, this process utilizes low-grade uranium-similar to what's used in Australia for civilian purposes, such as medical applications-and aligns with routine maintenance operations, arguably making it a practical choice. Australia seems to have been significantly disadvantaged by a 500 billion dollar submarine deal with the United States, which suggests Australia's entrenched alignment with American strategic interests, potentially at the expense of more economical or independent defense options.

@grahamstrouse1165

4 ай бұрын

Astutes lack VLS capacity & doesn’t carry enough weapons. Simple.

@fanghan7555

3 ай бұрын

Whole heartly agree. In fact, the Astutes are far cheaper than the Virginia & from all accounts better. They have built 5 already, & with more underway. Same applies to the type 26 frigates. The UK go 2 in the water, while Aust are still mucking around with their design.

what nuclear subs 😂 they aren't gonna be around for 20 years by then it will either be too late or not required 😂 castles made of sand if i ever saw it

@holobolo1661

Жыл бұрын

yes i only read the title and didn't watch the video

@hansolowe19

Жыл бұрын

It always takes ages before military equipment arrives, but I believe it's better to upgrade than not. If we never upgraded we'd still be killing each other with rocks. We'd be riding horses into battle. We are seeing right now the cost of old gear, in Ukraine. Russian conscripts are sometimes using WW1 rifles, rusty AKs. You don't want that.

@resolecca

Жыл бұрын

​@@hansolowe19 I think making a law saying that you can only do war where everyone kills each other with rocks sounds alot better than this BS

@resolecca

Жыл бұрын

​@@holobolo1661 exactly it's really pointless, except if the point is to enrage China or enrich America

@mike9347

Жыл бұрын

The while thing is ridiculous. 365 Billion dollars on hedging a bet that undersea warfare in 30 years will use the same technology, strategies and tactics as what we have today. Absolutely stupid. Dumbest bunch of World Leaders this planet has seen since Chevy Chase, Martin Short and Steve Martin.

all supposition but consider that we cant deploy existing boats more than a couple due to resource shortages with crews in serious shortage especially in certain necessary branches. the boats break down unable to attend exercise with the USA off Hawaii when tied up awaiting parts in Singapore despite PR saying they are there lol. The new sub is yet to be designed let alone engineered, trialled after build and tested for service.we cant even get snowy two built in anyway within projections. these boats will be a massive exercise to design, build, test, train the humans etc.our boats conduct certain operations very different to other navies but US and UK will want to order us to operate to support their priorities.

Collins class is a death trap for Australian defense.

We have people living in Cars, Tents and Under Bridges because of lack of accommodation. The Australian Taxpayer has cough up nearly 400 Billion Dollars because of acute paranoia of Defence Chiefs. Let’s get priorities in order.

@chippyjohn1

11 ай бұрын

It's not paranoia, its corrupt and bought politicians funnelling money into the USA.

@johnnicholas978

11 ай бұрын

Salient point...personally I think its insanity....

@gregwyld2176

11 ай бұрын

Sounds nice until someone attacks you.

@SuperHowie001

11 ай бұрын

@@gregwyld2176 Which Country has carried out the most attacks against other Countries directly or by Proxy over the last 50 years ?????

27:19 that’s a strange comment given the current Astute is considered, by the Americans, to be a game changer and probably the best SSN in the world. How would the next design be inferior to the Virginia Class? Keep changing your mind you’ll have nothing in 30 years. The British have a bad track record on procurement, but most certainly not on design. Problem is, you’ve at have so far only copied their procurement errors, rather than learned from them. The design will be first class, SSNs don’t come cheap, and the USN and RN know that business well.

27:00 not sure what he’s talking about because British submarines are considered to be some of the best in the world and some of it not the quietist subs in the world.

Don’t care much about the submarines, but does anyone know the name of the march being played at 4:30? It’s stuck in my head now but I don’t know what it’s called

I wonder how many Collins class we could new build and fix the past problems. With 350billion or so , we probably have learnt a from the Collins and I am not say they are the best bit of kit out there but ten subs in the water changes you tactics at lot more than, three or four. Might even leave a bit of pocket money to fix and maintain the rest of the fleet.

@rbrookeb

Жыл бұрын

It’s the difference in capabilities and interoperability

@prateekmahapatra1789

4 ай бұрын

its rather 250B plus , 350 includes contingency budgets

the purchase of the subs and other military equipment is to prove to the USA that we are willing to do a little bit to help them, in the hope that they might help us if we need it.

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

You have better idea like kow towing to imperial China

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

We already have a mutual defence treaty with them, we don't need to prove anything. This is about Australia adopting a more aggressive posture along with helping to police the region. Nuclear subs are all about long range power projection, they are not about defending Australia itself. Conventional subs can do that just fine.

@sudarshaniyer2747

11 ай бұрын

Well by keeping China focused in Taiwan that keeps them away from anywhere near AUS or being in a position to threaten so it does make sense.

Thank you. Comprehensive, brilliantly investigated and a fully all round report. Appreciate it.

Surely as part of the aukus we could start taking security cleared Oz personnel on our boats cos they will be pretty much the same as our near latest boats

So if buying the subs costs 400Bn, how much does the 11 reactors to make fuel, the waste storage facility, the maintenance infrastructure, technical consulting and extra crew cost? Feels like we're only hearing about half the price

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

Yep. The cost of building up the industry and workforce to support this adventure is not counted in the cost.

@bitetalk1

11 ай бұрын

The 368B is forecast lifetime cost of infrastructure and maintenance.

It was amazing to watch something like this not only to enrich my language but also to gather more information about something I didn't totally know about it thanks for this kind transformation.

Don’t worry Australia! Till you’re ready, we got ya! ✌️🇬🇧🇦🇺🇺🇸 ✌️

No Australian submarine has fired a shot in anger since the Dardanelles in 1915

hahhahahahaha youre kidding right? theres a reason its called a defence force, the defence time will last a few hours... thats it.

Australia should be developing and producing our own products. That includes defence. Because this is the way it is in these times

@knowsmebyname

3 ай бұрын

Boy it is tough for a small Island nation to make frontline defense equipment across the board. Sweden endevours to produce their own defense product and they do a great job but are obviously limited.

@stitch77100

26 күн бұрын

Guess what was included with the French-US contract for the Barracuda ? Training for the industry and local production... Luckily, you guys dodged this bullet. XD

Lease the Collins class subs to the Kiwis? This would provide another strike package option as part of the ANZUS alliance.

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

NZ would not invest in that junk.

To an American, it is not comfortable to watch, but it is nice to see that the head of the Australian Navy will sit down and tell the public the state of the force. I'm used to only being spied on and getting the hand when our government is asked anything.

@JoeZUGOOLA

9 ай бұрын

😂😂

@JoeZUGOOLA

9 ай бұрын

😂😂!! Ahhh haha you ahve been sat down and explained to by propaganda.

Australia does not have the skills and labor force to build nuclear subs

@av_oid

Жыл бұрын

Not in Adelaide for sure…

@alanbstard4

Жыл бұрын

they will eventually.

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

​@@av_oid holden good car world class

@av_oid

Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-kn4yn nah, AU Falcon.

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

@@av_oid Oh come on guys.....be serious for once this is about our nations defence.....the VJ Chrysler Valiant . We need subs with three on the tree.

Go Australia 🌏

Can confirm, usually focus on subs as an Aussie in HOI4.

Watching from New Zealand. Learnt a good deal about the challenges facing the Australian Navy and the submarine industry.

Deter China from what?

@user-tv5xt4pv1e

11 ай бұрын

Maybe panda 🐼

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

From trading with Australia.

The waste still creates heat. That is still plausible to use as powersource.

AUKUS, Japan wanted to join but people realised adding Japan would make it sound similar to Jackass.

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

LOL! That would be a proper name so we need Japan to join.

The threat posed by China is not spelled out. What exactly will they do? Land in WA ? Sydney harbour ? Can’t we deter them with something cheaper?

@sartajaziz5930

Жыл бұрын

Lol they won't do anything major to cause a military conflict. The media capitalizes on these fears of people to sell stories. China has never been a country that's overly aggressive militarily to the point where they cause conflict. They will however increase their presence in the Pacific and around the south china sea which they have the right to do.

@Apbt-rv7zw

Жыл бұрын

Yep, a nuke submarine is a very strong deterrent, unfortunately they are not cheap.

@alfredopampanga9356

11 ай бұрын

@@Apbt-rv7zw Deter what? An armed landing by China on the coast of WA? If that’s your concern why not invest in troops , land mines , close air support

@Apbt-rv7zw

11 ай бұрын

@@alfredopampanga9356 by then it's too late.

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

China is not actually threatening Australia. Their long range missiles and nukes can reach us (no submarine will defend against that), but they don't have the capability to stage an invasion, and they probably never will. This is about us getting involved in foreign wars.

However screw up Collin’s class sub is doesn’t validate the need to have nuclear sub. There are better and cheaper replacements to fulfill Australia’s (coastal) defense requirement. By acquiring nuclear sub, even without nuclear warheads, it’s clear Australia military posture has changed from defense to offense.

@polarbear7255

Жыл бұрын

It’s not about coastal defence. It’s keeping trade routes open. Think back to the battle of the Atlantic during WWII. If you can’t keep the sea lanes open you lose. Nuclear is unmatched by diesel subs, so no, there are not cheaper and better solutions. Only cheaper and less capability and not able to keep our sea lanes open against PLAN nuclear boats.

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

Yes, this is an offensive move. The whole point of nuclear submarines is their longer range. We don't need nuclear submarines to protect our waters, conventional subs are fine for that. This is about conducting long range missions as part of the effort to contain China, it has nothing to do with actually defending Australia.

@imycunt372

11 ай бұрын

@@Pushing_Pixels Australia’s head has gotten bigger than it should be which sadly will lead to unnecessary broken heads and bones.

@polarbear7255

11 ай бұрын

@@imycunt372 WTF does ‘bigger than it should’ even mean? It is not offensive: these will deter the PLAN from undertaking blockade style operations on our major trade routes in the event of a major conflict. Collins run on diesel and Australia will run out of that within a week or two of the outbreak of a major conflict, so no they won’t even help you for coastal defence then. Coastal defence is also too late, you must interdict your opponent as far out as possible to trade space for time... if you want capability you gotta pay for it... SSN are without equal.

@imycunt372

11 ай бұрын

@@polarbear7255 WTF does blockading Australian’s major trade routes in the event of a major conflict means? Are u aware China is Australia’s major if not biggest trading partner? PLAN blockading her very own livelihood which also depends on undisrupted sea lanes? I will pray hard for such Chinese lunacy cos it means I will get enjoy cheaper Aussie rock robster, abalone, wines and many wonderful Aussie produce. 😂

At least Australia is not like Canada with 4 old second hand diesel submarines with no plan whatsoever to replace them ;)

This is just going to be a money pit

By the time the nuke boats get here the technology to detect them will be 10 year more advanced.

@babychuma1

11 ай бұрын

That's a point, but you can upgrade too, electronics, weapons systems, software... The Virgina class is ageing but is still decades ahead of what most navies are capable of.

@quoccuongtran724

11 ай бұрын

nuke boats have longer range though, and that might be what the RAN need more considering australia is on the other side of the world

@howiescott5865

11 ай бұрын

VA class subs are the most quiet and undetectable. China's technology is 1990's at best and advancing in reverse.

How long in tooth will Virginia Class be in 10 more years?

@gregpaul882

11 ай бұрын

Yea they should spend 100 billion dollars to build a new untested boat. What could go wrong?

@Nathan-ry3yu

11 ай бұрын

They be only a gap filling submarines that has done half its service life when Australia recive the first 3 in 2032. Till New SSNR submarines get built to replace them in 2040s. The Virginia class are very capable and reliable

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

Obsolete. It's a project designed to drain away your wealth. Doesn't matter what the end product is.

Well that sort of goes all the way back to AE1 and AE2.

So why are you comparing the old Collins instead of new AIP Submarines

If I was 40 years younger than I am, I would join the RAN tomorrow for a chance to command one of these SSNs.

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

So you want to be a commander of an iron coffin.

3 second hands virginia and 5 New sub for only 368 billions,or 46 billions per sub ? What a bargain !

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

Aussie pockets are going to be empty for quite a while while the Yanks will be swimming in Aussie gold.

The reporter (and some of his interviewees) seem to think that keeping the Collins Class program limping along until AUKUS (and the three Virginia Class subs from the US) can take over is a either a bad plan or alternatively not really a plan at all. As an at least somewhat neutral observer (e.g., not from Australia), it seems to me that neither the reporter nor any of the critics he interviews can offer anything resembling an alternative option. I’m happy to be told I’m wrong. I’ll add that the apparent failure of the Collins Class program, at least from the information provided in this report, are not necessarily related to problems with the command structure or the Australian Navy, but rather with the boat itself. Again, I’m happy to be told I’m wrong.

@mrw6156

5 ай бұрын

Exactly - the COLLINS are getting tired and since there is no regular building programme in Oz the people who made them are retired or at least in their 50's. AUKUS will put in place industrial capacity and a regular order programme over decades. This doom mongering presentation is really just one-sided

Why can’t de comishinded subs be retrofitted?

Deter China? Who are you kidding

@jetli740

Жыл бұрын

yes deter australia top trading partner make huge sense😂😂😂

@stevencox75

11 ай бұрын

um its a partnership with usa and brittian so

@jetli740

11 ай бұрын

@@stevencox75 but who is australia top trading partner is? dare you 😆😆to answer that?

@stevencox75

11 ай бұрын

@@jetli740 whats that got to do with the price of tea in china?

@jetli740

11 ай бұрын

@@stevencox75 so you wont answer? who is australia top trading partner?

As an engineering student, I can clearly say, Australia must gather Nuclear submarines 2023, the diesel class is just not the answer.

30:29 Textbook response, well done. Pat yourself on the back for quoting the motto from a HMA ship too.

Scott Morrison referred to the redundant Anglo-American nuclear technology as the "holiest of holies". He also said he'd "stare down" the corona virus. Ridiculous!

@rbrookeb

Жыл бұрын

It really is though. Australia is the only country they’ve agreed to share this tech with and I bet it stays that way for a very long time!! Trust is key.

@bobsmith3983

3 ай бұрын

@@rbrookeb Don't be fooled this sharing is meaningless. The goal is using Aussie money to fund the maintenance of US global hegemony to the detriment of the ordinary Aussie. Aussie's don't be stupid and waste your money on useless submarines.

@rbrookeb

3 ай бұрын

@@bobsmith3983 you’re clearly a troll. No real human being would spent 3 hours on this months old video sending people comments. There’s a 3 hour difference in two replies you sent me. Bot!

Deter them from what?

@aakkyap

Жыл бұрын

LOL To protect our strategic interest (trade routes) from China, who is incidentally our biggest trading partner

@650thunderbird5

Жыл бұрын

@@aakkyap IKR!?

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

​@@aakkyap this world sure gone crazy

@jetli740

Жыл бұрын

@@colinburns8854 invade taiwain? has china make any indication invade? all retoric you hear is from australia and the US. taiwain is part of china it their internal affair, what australia doing is interfere with china internal affair. by go to war with china (IF) what australia gain from it? australia only get is destruction to all it city

Perhaps I am just a stupid man, but why not ask General Electric to build a submarine yard in Australia instead of doing all that? All the US has to do is ship sealed reactor sections, and you are good to go. If the cards are played right, Australia could build Virginia Class subs for the US! God knows we need an additional shipyard.

@mrw6156

5 ай бұрын

Not stupid - this is almost what is happening - BAE Systems are using their nuclear submarine expertise in the UK to build a yard in Australia as well as shipping sealed reactor sections to Australia. A new design is needed to maintain the edge over rivals hence the AUKUS design

Pity Labor did not make the decision on a Collins replacement when they were meant too hey 🙄

With that price india can have 150 nuclear attack submarine in 32 yr with 6 submarine per year , first submarine enters after 7 yr having an upgrade every decade..... (360 billion $)😮😳

@debdeepmukherjee1373

11 ай бұрын

"Oye uncle Sam na Chuna laga diya... "(In a very lighter note😂)

Deter china from what?! From Chinese tourist coming to Australia to spend money? From Chinese students to study thereby also spending money.....

@jetli740

Жыл бұрын

cant fault with australia logic 😂😂😂

@ongdaren2094

Жыл бұрын

@@jetli740 Australian got a very humourous 'sense of humour' !

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant...All my cloths and undies made there. 99% of electrical and electronics made there. 99% of everything we use comes from there. Caterpillar have nanufactuing their. Will they invade wearing our Blunstone boots? They have very significant ownership of varoius mineral and mining companies. They gave a long term lease of the Port of Darwin. They invest just like the British and U.S. have been doing for over 100 years. China is interested in trade and selling their manufactured goods as it brings in revenue as this helps to get their tens of million of people still in poverty out of it.

Very interesting.

Rex Patric is the kind of chap you need on a submarine. I don't want to see him any higher than -40 fathoms .. and give him a medal and a pension

Thank you for the concise presentation. To help with training, the US may be willing to begin training Australian officers alongside their own now, to start development of the experience needed. They could be assigned to US Virginia Class subs for junior officers (division officers) tours, after nuclear training. This could prepare them for department head tours before the Virginia Class subs are transferred. Depending on when those transfers might occur, the officers could then serve a department head (weapons officer, engineer, or navigator) and gather that expertise on a US sub. The next senior rank is as the Executive officer, who is qualified for command. The Virginia Class has the CO, XO, three department heads, and typically 6 to 10 junior officers. It takes a number of years for the junior officers to qualify for the undersea duties and gather their submarine qualifications. The junior officers and department heads serve 3 year tours with typically a 2 to 3 year shore billet between them. They are then ashore for an added 2 or 3 year time before serving as Executive officer, and then a number of years between that tour and Commanding Officer.

@zackworrell535

11 ай бұрын

The Brits wont like the idea of American Naval doctrine being taught to the Aussies, and they have dominion over Australia, just as they do Canada.

@mrw6156

6 ай бұрын

@@zackworrell535 Not true - the RAN and the RCN have a Royal Navy ethos more or less - it is not a matter of what the RN likes or dislikes - they are happy to help when asked. RAN personnel will adopt whatever serves them best - they won't adopt a new doctrine without a lot of research. The service ethos, regardless, is unlikely to change. Just look at the Indian Navy - 75 years after independence and there is still a lot of RN ethos visible if you look despite many Indian Govt efforts to change anything remotely "British" e.g. the recent change of the naval ensign in 2022.

Collins wasn't designed to fight in Taiwan. Get real.

@MrStringybark

Жыл бұрын

Why should we fight in Taiwan?

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrStringybark good point but would imperial China stop there its big àppetite

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

What was collins designed for ?

@MrStringybark

Жыл бұрын

@@Eric-kn4yn Defend Australia's coast.

@Prometheus4096

Ай бұрын

Why should Australia invade Taiwan?

Luckily the people who actually do things don't think the same way as these journalists, if they did nothing would ever get done.

Ex submariner here, not sure why the need fot nuclear powered boats. Sure build new boats with the latest sea to sea, sea to land weapons but, there is no way a nuclear boat is quieter then a diesel/electric or AIP powered boat. Remember you can own 10x as many boats for the same money and, its a lot easier to hide smaller trully silent boats then nuclear.

my main question would be do we actually have a big enough pool of citizens that are sufficiently educated enough to even meet the requirements and be considered for the first round of crew training for these and ongoing replenishment of crew levels??

@tioraytm

11 ай бұрын

It's not a space mission to Mars. It's a submarine with uses the heat from a nuclear power plant to heat steam or power a heat engine like a Stirling engine. They don't have to invent it just maintain it. America and Britain use bright young men and women to run their submarines and they get on the job training whether it's a nuclear sub or not. I have a American friend that is a retire chief on nuclear subs. Great guy but not a rocket scientist. I think you have let your imagination get the best of you.

@SubvertTheState

11 ай бұрын

I served as a Signal Systems Specialist in the Iraq War in the US Army. If Australia puts out the call for Submariners, they'll come. I sincerely wish I wouldve joined the silent service. I scores high enough on the military vocational exam to qualify for any MOS. Ive always been hungry for knowledge and challenge, loved nuclear power since i was 8 when i first read about a magical metal which can heat itself up to red hot for months. A nuclear submarine armed with thermonuclear ICBMs is the greatest diplimatic and deterrent asset a nation can have. Any nation which takes a military action involving Australia or allies, will have to always take into account that there is always, at all times, a hidden launch platform, somewhere under the waves, somewhere on Earth. That will always cause hesitation, cause an aggressive country to have to sit down and discuss. Nobody will ever know if the guaranteed 2nd strike capability provided by Boomers has prevented conflicts. But it certainly has had an outsized effect on making nuclear warfighting and unthinkable option.

@NathanCroucher

11 ай бұрын

@@SubvertTheState Really.. These are offensive weapons we are wasting an outrageous amount on. So the other side will do the same. Your excitement over this is disturbing and typical of a country that has brought death and destruction across the globe. Common sense tells me this is a prequel to war, as one dying rotton super power refuses to make way for a new one. Where will you be hiding when it starts?

@markbreislin2206

9 ай бұрын

Hire them train them stop making it so hard immigrate I see comments saying astute class subs are just subs with a nuclear reactor that creates steam 😂 1 build that reactor alone 2 maintain that sub personnel knowledge facility 3 develop the weapons for that sub 4 know how to use it in a tactical situation 5 manning them isn’t a problem it’s knowing how to use them and having the infrastructure and tech to maintain

@keithammleter3824

9 ай бұрын

The simple answer is we don't now, but it is doable with a heck of a lot of effort. Australia has 25 million people mostly working in retail services, mining, and farming, so we have an education system to match. The USA has 350 million people with a much higher fraction employed in engineering and advanced scientists. They have about 600,000 people in their Navy, about 0.17% of their population. Of course submarine crew must be above the general navy standard. The RAN currently has about 15,000 and according to this video they will need about another 3000, and a similar number in ASC. That totals about 0.08% of our population. A bigger problem is the RAN has a rotten culture in regards to safety - they have a pervasive she'll be right attitude. That was made abundantly clear by numerous accidents including HMAS Westralia catching fire. That happened because they broke every rule in the book by installing plastic hose as high pressure fuel lines, and setting sail with officers untrained in emergency fire management. Which they tried to excuse by blaming the poor guy they bought the hose from. That's like going to a supermarket, buying a plastic bottle meant for drinking water and storing gasoline in it, and blaming the store when it leaks and catches fire. It is awfully hard to change an organisation's culture, so expect lots of serious accidents in any nuclear subs they do get, unless they are operated by foreign crews borrowed from the USA.

350 Billion dollars that my grandkids will have to repay the USA ... (UK pact) Yeah Im all for that ... NOT

@allaussiehiphop

Жыл бұрын

Dont have grandkids and they won't have to pay lol

@garyhost6289

Жыл бұрын

With inflation where it is 350 billion might be sweet fa by then lol

@kevwills858

Жыл бұрын

Scomo n Albo don't have grandkids either (at their age), they're just hoping AUKUS makes Bureaucracy pay off in the future ...

@alanbstard4

Жыл бұрын

it's a bad deal

@Eric-kn4yn

Жыл бұрын

You made a good point the nuke subs mean more chance your kids will be ìn a soverign australia a wonderful nation keep it that way

The crew are bit short changed for a lot smaller craft they have more room and better access!

Great choice!

Listen, the Virginia class is expensive. Sure. However, any country that can operate a fleet of those subs is immediately at the top of the heap in naval warfare as well as vastly improving land attack capabilities. The Collins is like a Daihatsu Mira and the Virginia is like a Bentley Bentaga. Yeah they are both all wheel drive, gas powered, seat 5 and all that but they are nothing like each other.

@brunol-p_g8800

10 ай бұрын

Indeed, but having a good sub is not a guarantee, but having a good trained crew is. The emphasis should be on training the crews while waiting for those new subs.

@keithammleter3824

9 ай бұрын

So why do we need a Bentley when a Lexus is good enough?

@mrw6156

6 ай бұрын

@@keithammleter3824 Japanese LiIon powered boats (your Lexus) are designed to operate near Japan against PLAN not for high speed transits from Oz across the Pacific. They are very good but ultimately not as capable and do not link Australia more closely with nuclear powers (with UNSC seats).

@user-gz6wl3zg4q

5 ай бұрын

... and Australia is realistically up to the task of setting up and maintaining a fleet of six nuclear submarines? Sounds more like nationalistic wishful thinking ...

@jimfrazier8611

4 ай бұрын

Nuclear boats have a whole different set of problems than diesel boats. You don't just fake nuclear safety, or you find yourself getting compared to Chernobyl, and not in a good way.

The Virginia boats need twice the crew of Collins. But have many times the operational time on station. We don't have enough submariners now to man the Collins boats, particularly senior officers. In theory we can just buy 5-6 US built Virginias at 4 billion each to cover the next 50 years, and avoid $6 billion refit cost for Collins. And have 2 crews per Virginia boat to maximise at sea capability (as do the US Boomers) - similar manning requirement to the planned 8 boats at much less capital cost. Building 8 nuclear subs as Osborne is a crazy and unaffordable option. 5 US built Virginias each with 2 crews is achieveable, to have 3 available at sea. Astute boats have lower manning requirements, but we have apparently selected Block 5 Virginias. Virginias are an established design with relatively fixed cost. A new UK -designed sub built at Osborne will be a yet another DOD mismanaged disaster.

@fred3965

5 ай бұрын

I'm sure they know what they're doing moreso than yourself

“darkest corners” can’t submarines only go down like literally one twelve of the way to bottom of deepest darkest parts?

yeah put a plug into them to power the grid

If you have a modern world class deterrent that basically gives you the keys to your neighbours house without their permission. But they can't stop you from visiting anyway. And if they threatened to kick in your house doors across the st . You say go for it but your house will be gone when you get back. Its actually clever getting these new subs quickly 🇦🇺 has got this right.

@jetli740

11 ай бұрын

but have you compare to what your neighbour have before try to threaten them. 8 sub not going to do much of a threat

@kentershackle1329

11 ай бұрын

this aint the Atlantic dude... shallow waters negate Nuke powered sub advantage - SPEED. well unless the found you , ya need to get the hell out fast.. sure.. but be careful of UNKNOWN undersea Mountains , you might smack into one. LoL

Can we just skip to the end where we’re all nuclear dust

@sarcasmo57

Жыл бұрын

You can't even wait 6 months?

@weblightstudio8215

Жыл бұрын

We will not be nuclear dust. That would be the lucky ones. We will fighting to get government to admit there have been leaks from the reactors while our guts fill with cancer and we rot