Absolutely kills me that GM doesn't have a contender in this segment. An offroad adventure between a Wrangler, Bronco and K5/Jimmy would be the best video ever

@Westcoastrocksduh

Жыл бұрын

yeah but then it would look like a GM vehicle gross.....

@PumpUptheJam81

Ай бұрын

GM gifted humanity the “Blazer”. Tells you how in touch they are with consumers if you google that one. At least the stepped it up with the Colorado.

Funny how Tommy is starting to sound more and more like his father as he gets older. 😂😆

@MrKozanitis

Жыл бұрын

@Rhett the Dog, exactly my thought! Not only sounds or mannerisms…he’s tarting to look like him, too! Genes are taking over…😊

@user-jt8vq6gb2g

Жыл бұрын

😅 👍

Would love to see these tests done with real snow tires. Same make/model on both vehicles. Then you eliminate tires as a variable and can focus on vehicle capabilities.

@brandonwl

Жыл бұрын

They are both real snow tires. The highest rated snow tires

@FinesseForward69

Жыл бұрын

forget the tires, lets see them with real drivers lol

@maddesi2709

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I want to see them on Firestone Winterforces which are among the reviewed (per Tire Rack) budget snow tires

First off, a 2016 with 60,000 miles on it is not "old", lol. And 34k is still a substantial chunk of money, though it IS a value compared to the new ones. But yes, if I was buying something primarily for off-road, I would definitely pick the JK. If money were no object and the vehicle was going to be more of a daily driver, I would strongly consider the Bronco. Not this particular option package though.

You’ll actually have better results in 4H with no traction control. It’s all about momentum and speed. You just can’t get that in 4L. PS: Ive been driving in snow for 50 years, and some of it was in 2 wheel dive pickups.

@concealit4800

Жыл бұрын

That dodge v6 prolly ain't got the balls to sprin those 35s in high honestly unless u get a super big gear reduction then ur still slowing the tire speed down comes to the more torque and superior ford engine the new 392 hemi jeep wood work well though

@neoskater420

Жыл бұрын

So is that every pickup with every different type of gear in the world or is just from the vehicles you have had experience with? 🤔 remember can't compare everything to be the same I know you old heads like to do that but you got to think realistically here we know you are talking out yo ass as well to prove your point yet we know it's impossible for you to drive every truck in the world with all the different gear setups lmfao.

@fritty9927

Жыл бұрын

@@neoskater420 yes I’m old, but was a mechanic for more years than you’ve been alive.😄😄😄 Also I grew up on a horse farm with all that comes with it. I know enough about gearing to get by.

@weaselduke

Жыл бұрын

@@neoskater420 every vehicle on the planet likes a taller gear in a low traction situation. Your reply demonstrates your lack of experience. BTW I live in a region that breaks snowfall records regularly. That's how I drive out most people's vehicles when they think they are ”stuck”.

@markb2860

Жыл бұрын

Air down, no problem for either suv..

This was more of a tire comparison than anything else. Big difference will be vehicle width in tight trail sections. This Canadian’s experience with snow wheeling JKUs, lockers rarely help and often worsen wheel hop. Should pull front Bilstein shocks to see if they’re still dampening correctly.

These are two great vehicles. My wheeling buddy has a 2022 2-door Rubicon and I have a 4-door Sas Badlands. Both are slightly different power tools with their own advantages but they get job done. 🤙

2016 is an "Old" Jeep Wrangler? I was expecting at least a TJ, if not a YJ.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you’re trying to use wheel spin to get through the snow, wouldn’t you want to stay OUT of 4 Low? Not that I’m a fan of wheel spin to get through almost anything.

@jefftenhave8038

Жыл бұрын

4Hi would be better for snow for a Rubicon for wheel speed BUT by factory the lockers are only available in 4Lo

@ZenEndurance

Жыл бұрын

@@jefftenhave8038 true. And lame. They need to change that.

@SLICKW1993

Жыл бұрын

@@ZenEndurance You can buy a tuner to run the lockers in 4H. Super chips I think.

@franklucas8262

Жыл бұрын

Maybe that little engine won’t turn those big tires outside of low range!

@TheMeanmarine13

Жыл бұрын

@@franklucas8262 No, unfortunately it's the same in some trucks.

4Low for wheel speed in a wrangler with it's low gearing? Should have used 4high in snow.

Well done guys. I have the 2.3 engine in my Bronco and it has plenty of power for daily driving, but nice to see it can handle the deep snow. Thanks.

@hakkai153

Жыл бұрын

I would pick the 2.3 out of the two, honestly. It should be perfectly ample.

@maddesi2709

2 ай бұрын

The 2.3 is very powerful @ 100hp per liter, specially compared to older vehicles. The 1.9 in the 94 Ford Escort I learned to drive on made (a reasonable for the time) 95 HP.

@gilbertferguson1685

2 ай бұрын

@@maddesi2709 the 2.3 is a fine engine and is also found in the Ranger and Mustang. It was adequate for my 4 dr Bronco but when I ordered a 2023 two door Bronco, I went with the 2.7 engine.

For the 100th time. Snow= 90% tire 10% vehicle

@Ram14250

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not sure, if anything what this video says. Driver makes a difference is snow. Andre likes to lift off the gas when bogging down for effect. Always guarantees he'll get stuck.

@jefftenhave8038

Жыл бұрын

50% tire, 30% tire pressure, 10% vehicle, 10% driver

@morgancook6481

Жыл бұрын

I would say the 10% is weight. The lighter the better.

@bmeryman

Жыл бұрын

@@jefftenhave8038 100% reason to remember the name.

@Manowar68

Жыл бұрын

You right, but, 50% tires 40% vehicle, 10% gasket between the seat and steering (driver)

Keep the JKU videos coming!!

loved the segment. tires are the answer. why do you guys immediately go to low range? why not 4 high until you need it. low makes you rev pretty high. ive had a TJ Wrangler, a JK Sahara, a JK Rubicon, a JL Wrangler and a Gladiator. Loved them all. I was hoping that the gladiator would give me both a truck and the jeep. didn't really fit the bill. i traded my Gladiator for my 2022 1500 Ram Rebel. Echo-diesel

@jeepinintexas6215

Жыл бұрын

Lol seriously? It's TFL, they rely on fancy tech instead of driving ability to get them through rough situations. It's why they love to ride the Bronco díck so much.

@XploreAz

Жыл бұрын

@@jeepinintexas6215 yeah half of the time I think these guys have no idea what they’re doing.

@joegugliotta8988

Жыл бұрын

Why you mad that jeep wrangler is basic ?

"Old" Jeep Wrangler.... 2016. I get the idea of the video, but come on guys lol ;)

@billw6182

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. You can put the balls to that ruby and it will take it no problem , if it has been maintained at all.

Come on guys, that is not a lot of snow.

Beautiful trail. The Bronco continues to impress me.

Point of order. When wheeling on snow with frozen dirt under the snow, the last thing you want to do is air down.

Ordered a Bronco almost 2 years ago. It finally came in past summer....Didn't take delivery, found a '04 TJ Rubicon, high miles for 5k. Could not pass it up. It was at a local Ford dealer. Heavily discounted, cause they didn't want it on the lot next to overpriced Broncos. Just got lucky.

@billw6182

Жыл бұрын

Much better off with the TJ Ruby

It would be nice to always see the same rubber on both vehicles so the "tire factor" can be eliminated. But I completely understand that it is not always financially feasible. Fun video!

I grew up in Upper Michigan in the snow belt and drove through deeper snow without lockers and with 2 we cars .I realize you are off road but the snow isn’t that deep. There were some days I plowed snow with the front bumper of my car to get home from work. How about deeper snow next time?

Man that is one good looking wrangler! If it was my $34k, I’d much rather buy that thing with the mileage it had than brand new base model gully stock non rubicon wrangler JL. Not even a question.

The Bronco did an amazing job really impressed looking ford to more content finally someone is wheeling the new horse Great Job!

Tommy's demise was his driving today!

That Jeep looks super cool.

These snowy off road videos are so fun to watch. I wonder if you sasquatch a base bronco if the price would be close enough to just go ahead and make the jump. All things equal, the Broncos seems to be a little better all around vehicle.

Really enjoyed the vid guys! I’ll have to agree with many in here saying you should have given 4H a shot in that JK. With the limited gear ratios available to you in that 5sp you could have had a stronger pull with less wheel hop in 1st or 2nd 4H. The 3.6 has enough powa to move those tires at high rpm. Advice given from a JKU R on 37’s owner…

Surprised how poorly the tires on the Jeep did in the snow...and also how well the tires on the Bronco did. I expected the exact opposite.

@mitchelljarvis2944

Жыл бұрын

My wife’s bronco has the same tires and they are quite impressive in snow and ice for a non 3 peak rated tire.

@jmarcinko1139

Жыл бұрын

Have those MT Baja Boss tires on my 4Runner. I do not think they are as good in the snow as the Falken Wildpeaks they replaced. Still a great tire in the snow but with larger tread blocks less siping they do not seem to grip the same way. Or maybe I’m imagining it.

@jeffforbes70

Жыл бұрын

not locking the front diff on the jeep had to factor in

@weaselduke

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffforbes70 they were both spinning (way too much as he had it in 2 low) in all the shots I saw, non factor.

@jeffforbes70

Жыл бұрын

@@weaselduke 6:30 time stamp . first time he got stuck front was unlocked at 6:33

4H would have been better with traction off for the jeep

@mariarusso1155

Жыл бұрын

Hi David how are you doing?

As a Jeep owner for many years you didn't need four wheel low. That only caused you to have more problems over powering your tires ability to gain traction. Try it again in high and practice snow driving..................

Jeep all day long for me. I like the Bronco a lot, but there's nothing quite like an old Jeep for navigating trails. TJs are peak Jeep in my book, but JKs are super good too.

Nice vid. Glad that no one was complaining about the price/costs.

@mariarusso1155

Жыл бұрын

Hi Bryan how are you doing.

Always great videos! Fun to watch! Just a suggestion though, it might not be a bad idea to invest in a set of tire deflators.

Dayum that drive looks like a lot of fun

That's why jeeps are fun. Ya never know if you're going to make it.

Really cool; bet that was Soo much fun!!!

Great video ! Just a suggestion: Could you try a snow video with both vehicles with the same type or brand tire. Example: both vehicles with GOODYEAR DURATRAC. Use same tire pressure. Run with both vehicles either lockers on or off. Do the obstacles at same speed. I really enjoy seeing your videos. You guys are great. Off road videos are much better now than when y’all first started. Your tests are much harder now. Great job !

@TFLoffroad

Жыл бұрын

No can do. Almost impossible to get new tires now and certainly not the same size as most vehicles have very individual and unique wheel sizes.

@gregoryjulian1333

Жыл бұрын

Also, Try NOT locking the rear differential on snow and ice, this will give you better traction in many instances. Just saying 🇺🇸☃️

@-007-2

Жыл бұрын

@@TFLoffroad - sounds like a cop out. i'm sure there's one brand that fits both

Nice video, thanks! I love the music!

Can't believe I never watched this episode. that everglade trim is awesome. you rarely see them.

Jeep designed the front axle with a locker and yes is it a strain, sure but don’t be afraid to use it because it might break. Then don’t use the Jeep at all because it’s a few years old. Silly if you ask me!😂

I do love the Everglades aesthetic!

Don't forget to add the 20,000 mark-up that dealership are adding on the Broncos. I live in Reno, NV my local ford dealer.

I currently have an Everglades, I love it. Cant wait to put on some trails.

@akhilgeorge701

Жыл бұрын

Hw is the power with 2.3

Hey guys! Very cool video! I have a 2021 Bronco, I got mine before the Glades came out. its looks cool! i do like the snorkel, And the flat top wheel wells. But i still like my big bend! your jeep is nice too!

Love your content! (also a comment to enhance your KZread algorithm performance)

Had the 2.3 in my Bronco was perfectly fine. Minus the snorkel my base bronco with the Sasquatch was setup the exact same way as the Everglades was.

@n5sdm

Жыл бұрын

Had....

I'd say buy the one you like best. Both are really capable. Would have been nice to see how they compared with the same tire on both of them. I prefer the Bronco personally, but I would opt for the two door version. Still more money than I want to spend though.

@Fir-jp3jt

Жыл бұрын

I also prefer a Bronco. Well, preferred. After I test drove both in a comparable trim I can see how easy it is for anyone to go with a Wrangler. First of all, paying nearly double for similar options makes very little sense. Bronco's open deck 2.3L is peppy, but it doesn't have the "get up and go" of the V6 and being a considerably heavier car, Bronco almost feels sluggish. As a Ford guy it's tough admitting this, but Bronco is definitely overpriced with the current price to option ratio and market conditions.

@CraigSmith568

Жыл бұрын

@@Fir-jp3jt I definitely think they are both overpriced.

@Fir-jp3jt

Жыл бұрын

@@CraigSmith568 You'd be wrong. Was looking for a 2 door base trim with a manual, Bronco came out to 42k+8k "market adjustment" from the Ford dealer, because "Broncos are hot right now". Jeep in a similar trim came out to 33.5 and the dealer dropped it to 31.5 OTD. Even at sticker price they're not comparable, let alone 20k difference in these market conditions.

@CraigSmith568

Жыл бұрын

@@Fir-jp3jt The cheapest Jeep at the dealership in my town is $40K. That is overpriced in my book.

Not surprised, the territory MT is a sneaky good snow tire. I replaced my ko2s that were 3peak rated with territory MTs on my GX460 and found that I feel more confident driving on ice and snow in the goodyears. No objective measured testing of course, those were just my impressions vs the ko2s.The closely stacked tread blocks with tons of siping sure looks alot like a dedicated snow tire. I wonder why no 3 peak rating? They are also very lightweight and comfortable on the street (aside from being noisy on the highway).

@bryanmckenzie6102

Жыл бұрын

I've got Blizzaks on my GX 460, they seem unstoppable.

Looks like fun... 👍 as per usual gents...

A 2016 JK is not an old wrangler 😅

Goodyear and Michelin always seem to have all season compounds that do well in snow. The Michelin Defender LTX and SRA from Goodyear are just plain touring truck tires but both do well in snow, especially for all seasons

@mariarusso1155

Жыл бұрын

Hi how are you doing.

Tommy must be happy to still have a Wrangler around after selling his.

Snow is much cleaner than mud.

AEV Rubikon JKU here. I run most snow and mud in 4 hi no lockers. The rubicon will automatically brake wheel spin to send power to the wheel with traction even without lockers engaged. It allows some spin. Lockers are better for rocks when wheels are in the air. Just bought a 4 Dr 23 Badlands Sas. You are doing my research for me!

Why I love my LSD: it engages in 2Hi, 4Hi and 4Lo. I'm not limited to the confines of the locker that Jeep decided can only be used in 4Lo.

They tow trailers up the Ike gauntlet and hold engines at redline but are surprised when you hold them at redline for 30 second’s off-roading and they don’t blow up? How is this Jeep any different than a newer model? Seems like it would perform like any other modified keep. Nice to see some faster off-roading, rock crawling is a bit boring.

You're worried about using your 7 year old front locker in the snow where it will slip more than grip??? Wow. If its life is over with in under 10 years than you got the wrong vehicle. Perhaps a 4R should be TFL's next purchase. 😉

I wouldn't call a 2016 "old" lol

Cool 😎 How about testing normal snow tires on that offroad route and compare it with M/T tires 🤔 Keep up the great work

Seat time is everything. It's taken me a few years, but my Mo-chine will do anything I ask of her. It took seat time. Bronco is nice if you can jump right in and suddenly your driving like a 4x4 diva. Give Tommy a few more months in that jeep, and I bet he could do circles around that Bronco.

This looks like what hunters do all the time in the fall. I would like to have seen a new Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro up there as it's the same price as Bronco.

@sapperROSS

Жыл бұрын

Yup! And my frontier blasts though it. This isn't even deep snow

That territory tire is great in the snow.

like them both. I've had jeeps in the past, but I'd seriously consider the bronco.

If the Everglades had an option for the 2.7L, I’d order one and trade my BB Sasquatch in. It’s too bad because the 2.7L with a JB4 is a monster.

Love to see Chevy come out with a new version of the K5 Blazer..Trail rated of course!

I'd like to see both of these do that trail with Boggers, or at least Iroks.

You guys would be a blast to Hang out With!

Dont understand why they use 4 low all the time especially in these types of situations just use 4h and turn off traction control and foot to the floor will get u better results!

Bronco is super impressive - is it mostly the tires? It seems very nimble, too.

@brandondannys-menary3678

Жыл бұрын

Definitely considering putting these tires on my next truck, depending on my budget at the time of purchasing lol

Sorry but the tires were not the issue. The Mickey Thompsons are pretty much universally renowned as being better in the snow. It's just that the solid axles in the Jeep are better for rock crawling and thats about it.

❤️❤️❤️ TFL CAMERA NINJA'S 🙏👏👏👏

Every off-road trim truck should come with those territory mt tires. They seem to perform great all around

The Bronco is impressive but for the price difference, I'd take the Jeep.

From my experience, it’s not hard to get something seriously capable off-road. Had my experience with a $5k XJ with front and rear lockers. I was done with it after a week lol. But having something that works well both on road and off-road is where the Bronco shines.

@MS-ht9it

Жыл бұрын

I drive my 2.7 hard in CO and average around 19 overall. It's also more comfortable and drives better than my 2019 F150 lariat or 2017 Platinum Explorer. The new Bronco is awesome.

@alexs3187

Жыл бұрын

@@MS-ht9it I’ve got a 2.7 Badlands (non Sasquatch) in order. Looking forward to it.

Unrelated but TFL should try some Super Swampers, Swamper Boggers or other niche off-road tires

I am usually no Wrangler fan, but that Jeep performs very well! I like it! It only got stuck about 3 or 4 times 😂 I want to see you guys tackle Moab! Speaking of Rubicon, you guys need to do a video tackling the Rubicon trail! Well, it would be an epic video or video series! Edit: You don't lock front and rear for driving in snow, like this! At around 11:38 when Tommy gets stuck (again lol) you can see the tire on the front axle wobbling, just before it gets stuck, because the axle doesn't want to turn when locked up. Front lockers are for rock crawling.

@jessesimpson777

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he never locked the front axle and that he specifically mentioned that in saying he didn't want to put any strain on the 6-year-old drivetrain. I might have missed if he engaged the front locker later in the video though.

@lunamaria1048

Жыл бұрын

@@jessesimpson777 He specifically said he was locking both diffs, before he gets stuck where I mentioned

@jessesimpson777

Жыл бұрын

@@lunamaria1048 yep I see where I missed it. 😅

@lunamaria1048

Жыл бұрын

@@jessesimpson777 Lol accidents happen. Now you seen it for yourself 😂 Had Tommy not been on slippery snow, that would have caused thousands in damages lol. That wobbling tire wanted to snap😂

@-007-2

Жыл бұрын

you also don't air down. you want your tires to cut like pizza cutters through the snow, no be big flabby feet.

That Jeep sounds more like a 4 cylinder than the Bronco. Crazy

Goodyear Duratracs and lockers and you’re good to go in snow.

Impressive video

I thought the Goodyears aren't very good in snow but it did much better then I figured.

Does the 2016 Jeep use BLD or have modes that do? Having just the rear locked will definitely make the Jeep tail happy in snow

Love the Everglades package, would love to own one, but they are 25K overpriced.

Just go 4 high and chill through all that snow. Looks like no more than a couple inches. 5 bucks says if you locked nothing and just took it easy you would crawl up no problem. You notice how you don't even start getting stuck until you break traction with the throttle.

Devil’s Gate that leads to Hell’s Garden up Satan’s Crack. That is one epic trail name!

that package on the jeep was about 20k new. so almost a 75-80k jeep off the lot after being sent to AEV in 2016, if you look at their jeeps now they're easily 85k-130k.

Awesome! Why haven’t we seen the tour of the pole barn yet and why tommy got rid of his 2 door JL?

i went all the way back to 05 tj 6 cyl. 6 sp. having a blast on 32’s 😂

The Mickey Thompson tire brand was owned by Cooper Tires, then Goodyear bought Cooper. So Mickey Thompson tires are essentially Goodyear now. Interesting that the Goodyear branded tire on the Broncos outperformed the Mickey Thompsons. Perhaps Goodyear isn't incorporating or sharing tire tech with their other brands?

@rodgood

Жыл бұрын

The sidewall strength is the biggest advantage of the Mickys .

Cool video, I’m interested in seeing how the Mickeys are in the wet and dry conditions

@Christri

Жыл бұрын

Great have 15000 miles on a set.

@robertklinkhammer9269

Жыл бұрын

Have a set and love them.

I wish y'all could switch tires then you could really see which one is better. Micky Thompson are really good off road/ snow tires plus they are three peak rated. I think in this case it probably has more to do with the way different transmissions.

@lifeoutdoors3953

Жыл бұрын

Probably because of modern 4wd systems

@roblutz8931

Жыл бұрын

driver skill or lack there of had something todo with this testing

Are these the stock Everglades MT tires? If so, pretty awesome since they are not rated for snow or ice 🤙

4-Low on snow LOL **laughs in canadian**

7:00 I did this on my last off road ride and I broke axle shaft. 😁 But it was in a dangerous place... 😬

BTW the Everglades has both front and rear lockers.

Couldn't imagine how they would do in 7" of snow 😆

It makes me wonder how the army Jeeps with those tall skinny tires made it through snowy mountains.

@garthlundquist3623

Жыл бұрын

The flat fender Jeeps weighed 2200 lbs, about half what these modern mall crawlers weigh.

@bjornironsides6474

Жыл бұрын

And they had help. Full platoons with tools, shovels, and branches.

@backwoodstherapy

Жыл бұрын

Skinny tires helps in snow, actually. Helps you dig down and bite into the dirt under the snow. And like an above commenter said, they were super light.

I agree with that 5 speed on the jk, had a 2014 jk and it was a dog but still really capable offroad

If it’s a warn evo you should check for the remote recall

Nice comparison. You guys are so lucky in the US to be able to get that awesome Bronco for under US$ 60,000. Here in the over legislated and over taxed UK, we can't buy the Bronco and only a few boring small engine versions of the Wrangler. The UK Rubicon only comes with a 2 litre petrol engine and costs US$75,000 !

I’d take the Jeep.