Can A Budget Gaming Laptop Do RTX?
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I see how well a mobile RTX 3050, the weakest RTX branded graphics card, holds up when faced with Ray Tracing.
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The Morrowind I remember from 20 years ago ran in 10-15 frames per second, so that RTX mod certainly has high chances to revive memories.
@aminbagheri9044
Жыл бұрын
The nvidia remix can be used to remake Morrowind with rtx like the Portal rtx demo
@lukesono5687
Жыл бұрын
budget gpu budget fps
@niewazneniewazne1890
Жыл бұрын
@@aminbagheri9044 I am not sold on RTX remix yet, I remember that it upscales the textures etc. it can work if you also have an artist who will go over the AI upscalled textures and fix them up, even in the demo they shown during the conference(that likely shows a bit inflated best results) there were some instances, where the "AI upscaler" will just straight up throw the detail out of the window and just kind of "un-ditherer" the texture and makes it look too smooth; And I kind of disagree on the Quake 2 looking better with RTX(also this demo adds a couple effects like motion blur etc.). The mood of the game is lost, the RTX lighting in that game looks kinda half-assed.
@RuruFIN
Жыл бұрын
I still can't understand why Morrowind was so damn demanding (other than being a Bethesda game).
@ac3d657
Жыл бұрын
with a 2070 or up, you will be fine (dlss and 1080p)
I actually ordered this laptop, 3050 and all. Didn't need it for much gaming maybe just some indie's here and there. To my surprise, I was sent the 3060 variant and only charged for the 3050! Still stoked about that, been a great laptop and performs quite well.
@joelconolly5574
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty lucky. Hopefully the store owner don't cause a frenzy.
@kyle1758
Жыл бұрын
@@joelconolly5574 That was probably 6-7 months ago and I never did hear any fuss. It was an Amazon vendor idk maybe they didn't really care or didn't have any 3050 models to send lol.
@ivandksd
Жыл бұрын
I hope that someone didn't receive a 3050 laptop instead of a 3060 lol
@aaz1992
Жыл бұрын
Shhhh!!!! or they'll force you to send it back! But seriously, congrats!!! That's epic lol
@aaz1992
Жыл бұрын
@@ivandksd 👀
IGPU Fidelity FX gaming sounds like a damn good idea
@scottcol23
Жыл бұрын
Fidelity FX on my steamdeck is amazing. So with a current Gen ryzen apu id like to see how it compares. Cant wait till the 7000 series hits Dawid's hands.
@JinghisKhan
Жыл бұрын
+1 on that.
@fridaycaliforniaa236
Жыл бұрын
@@scottcol23 I've seen somewhere that the iGPU on the new Ryzen CPUs is the same as the one on the previous gen. Looks like they decided not to change it...
@cthomas3782
Жыл бұрын
@@fridaycaliforniaa236 it’s a 2CU iGPU which is weaker than the Radeon 7 graphics that their U series mobile processors (which have 7 CU)
@applehazeva2739
Жыл бұрын
@@scottcol23 same! And the Steam Deck is great
I think one thing to keep in mind about the laptops with the 3050/3050ti is their screens are usually around 15inches. Definitely a lot smaller than the monitor used for testing in this video. The smaller screen does a better job of hiding the imperfections caused by using upscalers like DLSS and FSR.
I really never use RT on my 3060. I tried it in Control a couple times and didn't feel it was worth the lower FPS. It pretty much just makes things shiny, but I'm not a crow, so it didn't work on me.
@Dracossaint
Жыл бұрын
CAW
Very useful comparisons, keep up the good work!
@raven4k998
Жыл бұрын
yeah shame he didn't show this one vs the lowest power draw one to give people the 3050 performance range depending on power draw
Good thing to wake up to in the morning, always look forward to a new video from you!
The DirectX12 stutters are a known issue, and not just with Fortnite. It has something to do with Exploit Protection in Windows 10, there are tons of articles that can be found via Google on how to fix it.
@robredz
Жыл бұрын
Some games that stutter on Win 10 don't seem to do as bad if at all on Steam Proton in Linux.
@samic
Жыл бұрын
No. DX12 stutters is shader cache compilation issue.
@yuikoo0613
Жыл бұрын
@@samic how to fix
@EelkoA
Жыл бұрын
Care to share a link or do you stay with "google it" 🙂
@frankeebensteadd
Жыл бұрын
@@EelkoA Google it ez
I love your videos! Great reviews with a bit of comedy :D Keep it up mate!
@raven4k998
Жыл бұрын
which is more powerful the igpu in that thing or the dedicated gpu?
@spacecy
Жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 the dedicated ofcourse.
@raven4k998
Жыл бұрын
@@spacecy well yeah on windows maybe not so simple if he did it on linux cause the linux drivers Favour amd over nvidia so it may not bethe same there
@spacecy
Жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 good to know
@raven4k998
Жыл бұрын
@@spacecy yeah you want to see crappy fps on a powerful nvidia gpu just run linux and you'll see why linus flipped nvidia the bird in that one clip on youtube he was pissed at them for oh we can't help you make drivers or at least help you understand our hardware so you can make decent drivers for our gpu's like amd does
In my experience with dx12, it adds stutters as it fills the cache of the games on launch. For example playing ready or not, i need to play the maps 1 time with stutters but the second time is smooth. There are some games that I feel the stutter doesn't go away like in battlefield.
@PINACOLADATN
Жыл бұрын
that s why call of duty need to initialize shaders after every restart of the computer ? right ?
Well if you think mobile rtx 3050 is weakest rtx card always remember rtx 2050 exists
It's nice to see your videos in the morning, keep it up!
@luckyzenplayz3959
Жыл бұрын
lol its 18:35 in india
@tobiassacks4902
Жыл бұрын
6 am here
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Жыл бұрын
Its 9:24 pm right now in Malaysia
@bahrul4675
Жыл бұрын
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@-___--.
Жыл бұрын
@@bahrul4675 mende ni jamal🗿
Thanks for this video bro, I've got the same performance testing laptop and was happy to see that the rtx 3050 as a budget laptop can still perform well with newish titles in 2023. Happy to see that rtx and dlss also work reasonably well on this laptop :). I had my concerns when most reviews I've watched rate the mobile rtx3050 as meh. So thanks for clearing that up for me, on a budget I feel a lot happier now about my rog strix g15.
I was watching the video happily and you reached the end talking about upscaling technologies. Mentioning the igpu testing made me realize how dumb I am to never have thought about using that on my slow laptop. This entire summer I've only had access to my laptop which can barely run even league of legends on 60 fps. And I've put up with this performance on a bit more demanding titles that now, you have made me realize what a way better experience with fidelitydx it could have been! Thanks for that lol.
Cool videos as always!
dawid it hasn't been 5 minutes since i've came back from school and you already post another one of your revelations
The Morrowind with RTX quip was some expert level comment baiting, well done Dawid 🤣
I am not sure if it has already been mentioned in the 590 previous comments, but the thing with Battlefield V is: it only features Raytraced Reflections. In the game scenes you showed at first there simply where no reflections so the framerate did not tank as much. In the hangar though there was water on the floor which has raytraced reflections in it. So this was tanking your performance there and not so much the fire and the smoke. :)
It was nice catching your video this early for once!
My assessment for raytracing from my experience is that it's quality varies from game to game. More often than not I found that with a few exceptions unless you are really looking for it or it is something noticeable, you really can't tell the difference between when raytracing is turned on or not. Plus there's no standard application. Some games just use it for reflections which is the most noticeable effect, while others use it on just lighting and shadows which are barely noticeable at all. In end the graphical upgrade it provides feels to small to justify the performance hit you would take, especially if the game isn't optimized appropriately to use it.
I would love to see the difference between manually tuning the video settings and the one suggested by GeForce Esperance and whatever AMD is doing these days. To be honest, I have just been using GeForce Esperance, and it's been going fine for me. It's been a while since I have had to dig through a game's settings.
@MarginalSC
Жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed that GeForce experience tends to do ok, but it will also randomly suggest lower setting on some games that don’t make much sense. Don’t really need to turn on dlss for Fist running on a 3080, but it REALLY wants to etc. Also the suggestions tend to get worse when a new product launch happens.
@art_nt_nk8353
Жыл бұрын
@@MarginalSC i know u might know this already, but u can change the performance level for each program in the Geforce experience app, my valorant had settings set to high automatically cause of geforce, but then i found the setting and set it to low
@MarginalSC
Жыл бұрын
@@art_nt_nk8353 Yeah. But if you're just going off the default things can get weird. Quake RTX? How about you turn off that global illumination? Your 3080 can't handle that...
the rtx in control was phenomenal imo, i played it on a 2070 at 1080p w/ dlss(so render resolution was 720p), it looked amazing, still does tbh. i managed to get a 3080 some time later and god damn, at a solid 144fps and maxed out it still is the best looking implementation of raytracing imo. the fact that the game itself is great is pretty cool too.
@edenjung9816
Жыл бұрын
Raytracing. Not RTX. RTX is the Marketing Term by Nvidia. The technology is called raytracing and is Part of directX 12. And Had been around for decades.
@Altair112pl
Жыл бұрын
@@edenjung9816 well yeah, obviously that's what i meant, no need to be pedantic about it my dude i even wrote that "it still is the best looking implementation of raytracing" so...
@YetAnotherWittyUserName
8 ай бұрын
Yup. Played it and beat it on a 3050 at 1080p w/ DLSS. Loved it. Got a 3070 a few months ago and yeah - at 60+ fps at native resolution with full ray tracing, it is a feast for the eyes. Incredible game.
wicked video!
I'm just waiting for the "4090 vs 7600X integrated graphics" video Dawid will inevitably make.
@nobody.g59
Жыл бұрын
7900X vs 4090 >:) that is gon the true test.
Nice to see someone else rocking the same wallpaper
2:50 YOU SAID IT THEY MADE IT. MORROWIND
iGPU FidelityFX would be great Especially with AMD's new CPUs, 'cause those can already be gamed on pretty darn well (I mean, 2 GPU cores will only get you so far, but we're looking at last gen base model console performance on an iGPU that isn't even intended to be gamed on. Kinda makes me excited for if they ever make a G variant)
@rubindublone5932
Жыл бұрын
Ryzen 7000 also have rdna2 igpus even on the x variants
@engenheirocaldasodocumenta6172
Жыл бұрын
The Vega integrated already worked fine, tbh AMD could compete with dgpus with an iGPU/APU if they tried
@bulletpunch9317
Жыл бұрын
By base model you mean the ps4? Those 2 rdna2 cores match a ps4? Does the deck with 8 of those match a ps4?
@engenheirocaldasodocumenta6172
Жыл бұрын
@@bulletpunch9317 The deck is pretty on par or better than a PS4
@bulletpunch9317
Жыл бұрын
@@engenheirocaldasodocumenta6172 why does he think 2 cores would be like a ps4 then?
I have Dell G15 with ryzen and I think gpu powerlimit is 90W in my case. Even with Nvidia Gf experience overclock I have 2050mhz stable. Gets the job done really well for me.
Yeah I would love to see how some iGPUS work with fidelity FX!
Very nice video. DLSS really helps a lot to gain performance to bring games to live together with ray tracing.
i never saw the intro but the most important is that i saw all the videos
SSRTGI on Skyrim vastly improves the experience with a need to carry a light source in places and far more atmospheric environments. It needs some tuning, and obviously tanks performance even with a 3090 pulling 600w.
Nice video everyday looking if you got new videos. Really like your vids
Great video. Please do more No Mans sky to show off the RTX, DLSS, LSMFT, etc
Dawid: I'm no expert Me: Ummm, yea, you are
I played Cyberpunk in the very same laptop and got around 60 fps or more in medium high with some bumps at busy scenes
Just on the day i ordered the strix g15....u posted this video WOW
9:28 is probably the first time iv'e heard Dawid say the number 30 correctly
2:51 I'm guessing you recorded this before the whole Nvidia Remix announcement? Lol
If minisforum is able to get you a ryzen 6000 unit with the 680m iGPU you should definitely try that with fidelity fx!
Last post. Of course we want fidelity igpu action!
I had a laptop with an RTX 3050 and that was my first device that was actually capable of running modern games. That gpu really introduced me into what was possible with pc gaming. Now I have a proper desktop pc that I can max out settings in any game
It's been over a year and Dawid still hastn't called agent Meredith Stout
1) Quake - I lost 600 frames per second 2) FN - I dropped from 200 to 60 frames per second. 3) BF5 - I'm not sure I can tell a difference visually with RTX on Dawid, you just summed up ray tracing perfectly!
Love to see a Unreal remastered with RT, heck even Duke Nukem 3D would be cool.
@boltinabottle6307
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Duke Nukem 3D made using fake 3D with sprites, like Doom?
Wow! It works! The first time i tried it took forever to activate and when I disabled my antivirus it worked like in less than a minute! Thanks bro!
Great video! although I am pretty sure that the rtx 2050 laptop gpu is less powerful than the 3050.
@aaz1992
Жыл бұрын
Only Acer and some Chinese brand ever pooped out a 2050 laptop
I find dx12 less stuttery with my 3060, but fortnite is going places if it's about performance, it's always a surprise after a update came out. Edit ( I'm using a stock 3700x water-cooled 360mm.)
@rampxgaming4355
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the 3060 is the most stable. My friend has some stutters on his 3080 while I am running my games smoothly with my 3060
@Kyrkis
Жыл бұрын
The S4 launch definitely introduced stutters and gave me frame drops but I think they were mostly related to CPU usage and memory leaks. Even in performance mode I had bad fps. I run a mobile 2060.
@Soddus.
Жыл бұрын
@@rampxgaming4355 what cpu are u both running?
@sqtisfy
Жыл бұрын
I’m using a i5 11th gen and a 1650, 16ram, not the best hardware but it also stutters, but it only happens in Fortnite, even Forza Horizon 5 runs smoothly
@rampxgaming4355
Жыл бұрын
@@Soddus. I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 4650G and my friend has a Ryzen 9 5900X
Can you please also test out the different DLSS DLL files and see what you think?
5:26 Somehow i feel like the picture with Raytracing off looks more realistic than the one where Raytracing was enabled......
i wanna see some spiderman benches already!
I have had the Dell XPS 15 9510 for about a month and it is fantastic for switch emulation reasons and also runs Minecraft very well. I have had a good experience with the 3050 in it but Linux seems to have issues with it.
I have an rtx 3050 laptop and it boosts up to 2010ish mhz, but if I turn the turbo mode off it's usually 1900 I've found that it's a great gpu for what I play and what I payed for the system (£649)
@ahmedhidayat34
Жыл бұрын
What system is it ?
With the improved power efficiency (at the low end) of next gen I think the 4050 might be a pretty sweet card. I'm very curious what DLSS 3.0 ends up looking like.
@BrawlerDoge
Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping that it gets 6gb or more vram
@kristianorambalack
Жыл бұрын
@@BrawlerDoge i have good news for you then
@BrawlerDoge
Жыл бұрын
@@kristianorambalack yeah but cost ☠️ Costs more than 3060
That feeling when my RTX 2070 Mobile does much MUCH better than a 3050. They really gave the 3050 the short end of the stick this round. I kind of expected a card that had the same Cuda Cores as the 2070 to have equal or better performance.
@node3155
Жыл бұрын
RTX 2070 has almost double the count of TMU and ROP units, almost triple the count of tensor cores, and again double of RT cores... And ofc 8GB of VRAM on 256bit bus... So yeah.... not even close...
@Alekscho996
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the 2070 should be compared to the 3060 or 3070. The 3050 waay outclassed
@aminbagheri9044
Жыл бұрын
The cuda cores of amper is not the same as turing the Rtx2060 has 1920cuda cores but it outperforms desktop rtx 3050 with 2560cuda cores
@MLWJ1993
Жыл бұрын
The 2060 is actually faster than the 3050. At least it didn't get it's PCIe lanes axed quite as badly as the 6400/6500XT and can do hardware encoding.
@harmharmsen4673
Жыл бұрын
Your mobile 2070 laptop probably also cost more than twice what a 3050 laptop costs. They are really good chips for the money (especially during the gpu shortage period).
I can't wait for Dawid to do a gaming benchmark between a 7950X and a 13900K ... without a discrete GPU 😁
2:50 RTX Remix: "Let me introduce myself"
you should check out the Legion 7i gen 7 laptop, its crazy powerful and i think you would like it
David: Do you wanna...? YES ship it!
with fortnite reflections on low is the same as off and GI just doesn't work at all, you also had shadows off
I also like dlss a lot. Especially on the 40 series cards some games support frame generation which gives you a huge boost in fps
I noticed that smearing effect of bright things happen in other games too, even with DLSS disabled it does that, but DLSS seems to make it more noticable. It's actaully a cool effect.
i like the RT off way better than the RT on at 5:24,
I played through the entirety of Portal RTX on 1080p with DLSS set on performance at barely 30 fps with my 3050 laptop
hell yeah igpu fsr video, let us see the light of low end gaming
Awesome tests - I'm looking to replace my aging gaming laptop - i7-7700hq + gtx 1060m 3gb with a 3050/3050ti laptop. DLSS / FSR really seems like a must for this type of card... Over time the 4gb of VRAM seems like it will really create a problem for these GPUs keeping up.
@r3tro290
Жыл бұрын
Don’t take the 3050 because that 4gb of vram is going nowhere unless you plan to game on low to medium settings. You rather take the 1660ti or save up a little more and get a 3060.
@STS
Жыл бұрын
@@r3tro290 That is where I find myself at the moment. I do a bit of gaming and a bit of video editing. Seems to be the case I'm going to need more VRAM either way
@UltManSpider
Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely recommend atleast a 3060, if not a 3070. The vram and overall performance is more then worth the extra couple hundred it'll likely cost. It's anywhere from a 20% - 30% power increase depending on the wattage being pushed through it. You'll definitely notice a difference, and it should keep up for quite a few more years then the 3050 would.
@MoonDrive_
Жыл бұрын
What laptop u have? I have a Lenovo legion with the same specs as yours but with 6gb vram
@X862go
Жыл бұрын
Don't get 3050 😒
This is interesting since I have the strix laptop tho mine is a 3080 which I believe is either 115W or 150W can't seem to find out quickly
@andyruse4670
Жыл бұрын
Bit of Google fu shows that it’s probably 115W, but dynamic boost 2.0 means it can technically draw 130W if the cpu isn’t bottlenecked and there’s extra power to spare. I just wish they had a better naming scheme for their laptop cards. GTX 3080 laptop variants run the gamut from 150w for the top of the line, all the way down to 115w. Then to make things more confusing there’s a few “max-Q” variants at 90w, 85w, and 80w that are still “3080s.”
Dawid hitman 3 also has rtx now
2:44 Portal 2 is finally getting rtx, few days until release!
Could you do a comparison of desktop vs laptop at the same price point? Pretty please?
@Dracossaint
Жыл бұрын
I will go ahead and tell you that the desktop will beat the pants off of it. The problem is heat dissipation and power constraints for the laptop. Even if they threw caution to the wind and put a full desktop card in a laptop, it Will still have a lower frequency and etc. Mainly Due to it kneecaping itself to stop it from overheating. one could make the argument that desktop wouldn't be including the monitor price. I'd argue any TV can be a monitor because of hdmi in return and a ok to descent screen can be had for $120.
@NuriHarit
Жыл бұрын
@@Dracossaint yeh I know, I just want to see Dawid do it.
I want to see some FidelityFX iGPU gaming action.
What laptop is this?
You also can mod Cyberpunk to support FSR 2.1 and now there's no car ghosting!
yestrday i tryed on my dektop RTX 3050 OC cyberpunk on maximum details with maximum RT and DLSS on balanced with dlss sharpening 0,25 and it was playable and looks beutyful, now iam palying it like that and fps dont drop from 30 and most of the time its in like 40-50 fps and this fps is good for entry level RTX i think :D
Yes , please do a fidelity Fx video
They showed off raytraced morrowind as part of their recent events showcasing their raytracing modding pipeline for the high end 40 series graphics cards... Or was that another fever dream...
I'm still waiting for a ray-tracing version of Zork I.
LoL, they quite literally made RTX Morrowind as part of Nvidia's RTX Remix demo a few days ago.
@jsteezus
Жыл бұрын
That’s the joke lol. He’s being sarcastic.
@notloki3140
Жыл бұрын
duh!
The current thumbnail makes it look like a youtube short
Haha I came back to this video after I saw this "Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind - Official Nvidia RTX Remix Overview" :D
fsr on higher quality settings is pretty good
Dx12 adds stutters, same thing here with rtx 3080.
God, my MSI GL65 with a 115w 2060 beats those 3050s, I would suggest people spend a little more for a 3060.
There actually is RTX support for Morrowind now
I am having the 35w RTX3050. It perform akin to Desktop 1060 with 4gb of vram and dlss capability. The RT some sort of gimmick it does work but the hit to the FPS is too much. Dlss is real savior here, 1080p display, quality setting is the must to match the native res even sometimes beat it.
Portal is about to get an RTX update
Love the way he says "thirty".
You should try the India budget king CPU the i3 10th gen which cost you less than 100 bucks paired with an GTX 1050ti or GTX 750ti.
@GingerbreadFam
Жыл бұрын
No
Don't you have to restart the game after enabling rtx?
You should do one on the new 4050 mobile to see the performance difference
I read somewhere that the 3050 in my legion is supposed to go up to 95W but I can't find it anywhere so I don't know.
You can't compare screen space reflections and ray traced. you only see screen spaced reflections when the reflected part is on screen
I have the same 80w RTX3050 in one of my laptops and it’s a great lil gamer GPU on the go for 1080p high quality graphics.
saying performance is not that bad is like saying venereal disease could be worse
you need a custom ISO and modded nvidia drivers
Can you make a video of the 35W rtx mobile ?
I think the title should have been RT since there is no Ray Tracing X or something to "do" lmao
I most definitely want to see some fidelity fx igpu action. Get that GTA V up to it's stuttery high frame rate if possible
how do you get all the stats up in the corner of the screen?
Dx11 is less stutters for Fortnite. Dx12 seems to give random stutter and inconsistent frame times.