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@garethoswald3392

10 ай бұрын

How can i contact you with my story. Of portugal property purchase.

@thefashiongoddesschannel8099

9 ай бұрын

Hello, just found your channel. Very interesting. I'm from western suburbs of Chicago and the first settlement of all Illinois, known as Brookfield and LaGrange, where you won't find more laws on the books anywhere else on the planet, and where inspectors will stalk you for years in order to catch you changing doorknobs or kitchen counters, and regularly pick through your garbage for evidence to use against you. They'll blow right past your "No Tresspassing," signs and your Constitutional rights, and then order your water, electric current off, red tag your house so you cannot enter the land or building, then send the para-military swat team to shoot you dead in your own back yard. I'm living proof, and only still alive because I refused to get up out of my chair. I know the tricks too, and knew not to stand up. I'm also a contractor, State certified. And I will tell you, a lot of these same situations, are elsewhere, except in the U.S. our laws are the most entangling and unconstitutional than anywhere else. Under Judeo-Christian law, Tresspassing is the oldest law known to mankind, is recognized anywhere, besides that of marriage. This law, was absorbed and grandfathered into every Christian case law in every country. Ususally, the seas surpass any rights of government, but, most people aren't well educated in this, and don't know how to use those laws. I'm leaving the U.S., because of the hellhole it has become. My family signed that Constitution, and died in every war this treasonous government has gotten us into, like the present WWlll, and tresspassed their way into our daily lives. :-( I'm from thousands of years of farmers and homesteaders, so that's my goal. You're right about the barn living, Chicago and Cook County cops would drag you out by the hair on your head, then trial you in Maywood where the cop killers and gangs are trialed. There are many barn conversion channels here, yes. I've spent plenty of my life, using forested toilets, and now, I thank God for the toughening. It will come in handy. As we say, "even bears shit in the woods."

@thefashiongoddesschannel8099

9 ай бұрын

@@JOHNDANIEL1 Exactly, EU private corporation, was bought by U.N., a private corporation, under the dictates of the U.S.A., an older private corporation puppet committee.

@aliencactus720

5 ай бұрын

It is also true though, that many Camaras do look they other way, if you are someone with a hut or similar, that you might not technically spend the entire year at - and there are so many people living on rustic land. Though, so many agents imply "buy a yurt and live in it" - rustic land does have 'habitation' possibility but that was back in the old days, when say, families went out for olive harvest and stayed on the land or week or so while doing it but things are a bit tightened up maybe. 30 years ago, you could drive around in a totally unregistered car and the police would not care ( in rural areas ). Also, rural people have their winter home in the town and summer might be more on the land guaranteed in the past, 50 plus years ago, rural people lived a lot of time on their land wit their animals and working on the land. In modern terms the "stay on rustic land while lambing season' obviously is outdated and no longer applies in massively deserted countryside. So the modern equivalents might be:: stay on the land to tend your hydroponics or raised beds etc. Seems the massive influx of outsiders who have basically rescued and revived land, has led to looser or flexible interpretations on the 'fine points' on what where commonly used places, especially in Camara areas that were basically dead and dying of life, without foreign presence and investment to revive them.

You think this was boring? This is probably the best video on Portugal I have seen. I kept saying to my wife, who really wants to go there, no way all these works are legal. A real estate agent once told me the Portuguese people don't want those properties and you made it clear why not. He also told me that there is no law in Portugal that forbids you to live on your land. Looks he was deceitful about that as well. They are just waiting for the next chump who believes them so they can sell overpriced land.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

I dont think it is boring but with how YTube can be we were a little apprehensive in doing this video but we are very happy people are getting something useful from it, if it helps one not "slip up" then it will be worth it. Yes many Portuguese are elderly and do not want the hassle of fines for not cleaning or just the upkeep of it all. You can never trust any salesman really, it's his job to sell but in this case it is often all of some ones money at risk 🙄 Dont get me wrong some of these barns can be made legal, easily, so the 'dream' is there for people, they just need to to know the pitfalls 🙂👍

@donnacosta5633

Жыл бұрын

Most estate agents will say whatever they think will most likely convince the buyer. I've seen plenty of offgrid videos about converting properties that will never get habitation licence. They just don't know it yet... because they bought the property, moved on to it, and started upgrading / building without consulting their local Camara. They'll have a BIG SURPRISE when the fine comes. It may take some time because the Camaras don't have human resources, but if they were to sell, they'd soon find out their property is UNSALABLE. Just saying...

@anamagalhaes7571

Жыл бұрын

Quando virem propriedades muito baratas é porque não se pode construir. Não comprem e não comecem a povoar Portugal com barracas sem saneamento básico. A Revolução do 25 de Abril fez-se também para acabar com sa miséria. O movimento hippie saiu de moda. Haja paciência .

@k-dogg9086

8 ай бұрын

So the west has gotten very non freedom I deem. Permits for this, permits for that; rules, regulations, red tape, beaurocracy, fines, fees, taxation without representation, and laws telling you what to do even on your own land! OK gotcha. 👍

This video is really informative and necessary to bring in a dose of reality. I'm Portuguese and often feel terribly sorry for this twisted idea of life in paradise being protraid in idealistic and romanticised KZread channels. I think a lot of people are making bad investments based on false info from KZread channels. Thanks for taking time for such valuable information.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, just trying to tell it how it is 🙂🙏

@donnacosta5633

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I fully agree many folks are making bad investments. They are buying properties that have very little value and can only be used for argricultural use, many are paying as much as ten times what the property is worth. No sane portuguese person would ever consider buying this type of properties, that's why they are abandoned properties.

@jonaafr

Жыл бұрын

Your post is very revealing and thank you so much. If I am not wrong, most of those who bought a property and moved to Portugal are Britishers and North Europeans. Many thought and think that they can do "this and that" on the sly without asking for a permit to do so. Every country have their rules and regulations that must be respected. There are hundreds of Utubers postings about buying properties and living their sweet dreams in Portugal (same for Spain) for cheap. Yes, lovely weather conditions, Portuguese or Spanish people are very warm and welcoming, food is cheaper, land and properties are cheaper than Northern Europe. I know of an American couple who came, bought, lived to finally resold their property because they did not respect local laws and made quite some lost. Britishers form the majority of these new immigrants and many forgot that they did Brexit and rules are not the same for them like EU members. All these must be taken into serious consideration before taking the big step. Only advise I can suggest is :- check thoroughly the rules and regulations b4 you make a fatal decision.

@fightforlife3798

11 ай бұрын

@@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife You saved my savings. I am indebted to you. Your subscriber from today.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

11 ай бұрын

@@fightforlife3798 That is great news, we hope you will carry on your search for a suitable place 👍

At last someone is saying this and being heard. As Portuguese, I’ve always been bewildered by all those foreign youtubers buying agricultural land (greenfield sites) and turning barns into houses DIY, no plans or permits whatsoever, and then broadcasting it to the world. A house built prior to 1951 will, generally, go without a living permit - but ony a house! A barn is not a house, just like a chicken coop, a shed or a pigstale are not houses. I’ve seen some people trying to convey this message in other videos, but were usually shunned as if they were simply being hateful to forigners. There is a reason why Portuguese people are not doing the same… Still, many of us have converted barns into houses legally, as is obvious, after getting a permit and submiting a proper plan. Yes, it will be a somewhat lenghty and expensive endeavour. Does that come as a surprise to any European or American? Besides, although codes and regulations vary from one place to another, many DIY home “improvments” are ilegal in most western countries. You need a licenced builder to make them - and, again, does that come as a surprise to any European or American? I am not saying that real estate agents and local solicitors are straighforward lying to you, but mind this: they want to sell; they realize many municipalities are not actively enforcing the law (usually in areas that are becoming deserted, and they want to see repopulated); and also, this “trend” is a relatively recent phenomena in Central Portugal, meaning local authorities have not yet “made their minds” about it - unlike, for exemple, in the Algarve, where you cannot build anything without permits (maybe if you “hide” in the mountains, but I wouldn´t take a risk). And don´t forget that having to pay a fine and demolish all that you’ve built is not the only risk: every summer dozens of ilegal houses burn down because they are not identified in any oficial planning. And, if you plan on ever selling your property, remember that no matter how much work and money you’ve put into an ilegal house, it won’t enhance property value. Could even devalue it; I was thinking about buying a house with land a few months ago, but, when noticed there were ilegal buildings in the property, I said I would’t unless they were previously legalized or knocked down. Plus, stop showing the whole world your “barn conversions”! I cringe when I see all these people, many times young couples, naiifly broadcasting every move they make in their agricultural land and buildings, putting theirs and others endeavours at risk. How long do you think it will take before all those videos begin to tickle the nose of the local authorities? There is no reason to avoid contacting the municipality directly. In most cases there will be someone able to help you in English. Besides, if you want to come in live in a certain region, you should start regarding it as YOUR region, and the municipality as YOUR municipality. They are not your enemies that you must hide from.

@annashealthylifeeverything8583

Жыл бұрын

you are wrong about one thing. yes governments and municipalities ARE enemies. you just didn't realise it yet

@geillis8248

Жыл бұрын

So how is the bigger channels who have vlogged stating after this video in comments theirs is legal then?, I won't name the channel because get jumped on again, but they converted a tiny barn into a house, if your saying government won't allow it, why is the channel stating theirs is allowed, makes no sense. Is there certain circumstances where it is allowed?

@annashealthylifeeverything8583

Жыл бұрын

@@geillis8248 you can convert a barn into a house but it will cost you a lot of money to do it legally. you will need to seek permission with an architect made project. As they said in this vlog DIY is not quite legal so you will need also to put a legal building team on this project. And it's not 100% the camara will approve the project because of other circumstances mentioned in this vlog. If you got the project approved and the conversion is finished they will give you habitation license and you will also need energy certification. And the land the house on will also need to be changed to "urban". This particular channel you are talking about I don't know if they have taken all these steps, I don't watch them. it doesn't look like this. He said that their conversion is legal but didn't explain why, it tells a lot I think

@geillis8248

Жыл бұрын

​@Annas healthy life &everything OK Thank you for explaining it ,makes sense, well I challenged said person off said channel to provide. Full proof they had it all " legal" way before they started converting, as in seeing a date and timed officially, didn't get a reply back to that, yet went and commented on others, lol, I doubt very much we will ever see that paperwork because most of it was DIY apart from one part, big part actually, even that ended up being finished DIY!

@thereisacrack3

Жыл бұрын

@@annashealthylifeeverything8583

As an American that has been following many of those types of KZreadrs, thank you for the reality check. I personally am a rule follower, I would rather do it right and get all the paperwork. And if I can't afford to do it right, then I can't afford to do it. Thank you so very much for outlining a lot of the little (and big!) details that the others so casually don't mention. Very informative and helpful - and not boring at all for those of us who are serious!

@simplylive2466

11 ай бұрын

Just be aware, it is not just about "affording it" financially.. but paperwork/approvals in Portugal can literally take decades.. you think they have met their latest requirements, resubmit, and find a new person on the desk who has a different opinion. My PT partner waiting 40 years for a local municipality decision on his land!

I think this family is the most genuine, most down to earth, most likable, most approachable, informative and they are not afraid to show and not just tell (this video aside, and it is still extremely important, informant, and relevant). I love that you take us off the farm occasionally. It shows that you really have a love for your "home." It is apparent to us all. I look forward to warmer days, and your biking trips, and car rides into town. Thank you for loving my home. You three are now as Portuguese as my own family. 💚💚💚💛❤❤

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

What a lovely comment, thank you very much. We love Portugal Muito obrigado, um gande abraco ❤🇵🇹💚

@thebordenkw486

Жыл бұрын

@@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife Por nada. Força, amigos! Um abração :)

I am Portuguese with rustic and urban property, and i learn new things here. Very well done

Great video! This is why I am only sticking to the footprint and restoring the ruined parts. People can't understand why I don't put in extra windows or doors. Your video explains why. Luckily my cottage was lived in over 60 years ago, was registered for habitation in 1900 according to the deeds, and is on an urban article in a non-fire risk area.

@annashealthylifeeverything8583

11 ай бұрын

but DIY is not allowed in Portugal as far as I know. even to renovate you need a permission and a licensed builder

@notyouraveragegringos

10 ай бұрын

@@annashealthylifeeverything8583I think it depends what works you’re doing regarding DIY. We got permission to do restoration work on our house. It’s a pre 1951 house exempt from habitation and was in somewhat habitable condition. The permit cost 5.20€ and they asked the name of the contractor who would be doing the work. When I said we would be doing the work ourselves she seemed confused (perhaps because I’m a woman?) but when I rephrased the answer to my husband and I will be doing the work she was fine with that response. We’re just replacing the roof, windows and doors. Nothing structural and no changes to the existing configuration, so I’m sure for something structural you would need a qualified builder.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

10 ай бұрын

@@notyouraveragegringos That's great to hear ! And yes you are right some basic home improvements like replacing some rotten beams but not changing anything structural can be done on an already legal property. Once people start putting in things that never existed like kitchens bathrooms and shower/toilet and cesspits you need full planning and if you dont you lose the pre 1951 rights as the place is now an illegal build..... it can be hard to understand but like you have done a quick trip to the city council and you get all the info, help and forms. Best of luck with all the work ahead 🙂👍

@notyouraveragegringos

10 ай бұрын

@@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife Thank you! We've already made enough improvements that we're quite comfortable. Can't wait to finish renovating the kitchen though. That will be the last big job out of the way! 🎉😁

This is why it is extremely important to obtain a referred Portuguese attorney. I have bought two properties in Portugal, and having an attorney to go through all the legalities has been invaluable. Having her to check out everything has given me peace of mind.

I’m grateful for people like you who take the time to make videos like this. I’m Portuguese and have never lived anywhere other than portugal and I didn’t know all you know about this subject. Thank you so much. And it’s true people, this country has some sophisticated laws and it’s not cheap to live here. Proceed with caution.

@gb4939

Ай бұрын

Strangely as a french person and after watching this video, it looks like Portugal has a lot of regulations about housing. I thought France was the worst but obviously I was wrong.

You have most certainly exposed a lot of these KZreadrs who have been advertising properties with land and lots of potential selling false dreams thanks for painting a more detailed description

Thank you for your honesty and the clear explanations on the complicated rules governing all the different options of land/properties. Well done!

This is so helpful, thank you Alex and Sandra for taking the initiative to promote clearer, honest, and very valuable information. This wasn't boring or negative or judgmental, just honest... which is more important for me than videos that can be catalytical to misleading ourselves. Barn conversions are a thing in some countries, but evidently not in Portugal, and now it's better understood as to why (🔥, lack of 💧, etc). I can see how some channels likely encouraged others who chose the route of converting agricultural support buildings while living in camper vans or yurts on their rustic land. 😔 I hope these owners are encouraged to attain the documented approvals for their works and also to register their locations with the bombeiros 🙏🏼. I also do hope we viewers of Central Portugal channels will study this video well and proceed with guided caution. I don't think it can ever be encouraged enough for us to do our own research too, and to take on proven professional help to review every aspect of properties and the purchase process with a fine tooth comb.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

thanks! Many of these barns could be made legal but moving in and just starting work makes them some problems, they needed the planning before they start adding bathrooms etc. Staying in trucks and yurts for more than a few weeks makes them permanent dwellings, most know but avoid talking about it in videos. It doesnt have to be hard, just check and at the city Camara they are happy to help and it is free. Have a great week Ruth 🙂

@donnacosta5633

Жыл бұрын

@@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife Absolutely correct. Hope you'll do more videos on this topic.

@CClarinet123

Жыл бұрын

Barn conversions CAN be a thing in Portugal. The point is, you need permits, an architect and a licenced builder. Most channels do these conversions as DYI and lack most, or all, of these requirements, rendering the whole thing illegal.

Thank you for letting people know about the regulations in Portugal. I have been watching these types of videos for over a year now, and I have never heard of anyone providing such useful and practical information as you did here. Thank you so very much.

@snakey319

11 ай бұрын

Project Kamp and even a newb acct, my 15000 house, talks of permits. Never saw one yet that makes it look easy without rules.

I was really wondering about this, because yes the pretty cheap properties look amazing, but further then the before 1951 rule I did not know anything and was really wondering. Glad to have found this video. Thank you!

This is by far the best video I've seen on the subject so far. Thanks for giving everyone who's willing to listen a well needed reality check.

Hi. Not looking into moving to Portugal but i found your video really interesting and refreshingly honest and straightforward. Fair play to you both. Keep up the great work.

Your video popped up because I watch a lot of immigrants building in just the way you describe. It has led me to so many questions and you answered most or ALL of them! THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking the time to do this video!!!!!! I've now subscribed.

Thankyou for so much realistic information. It’s fabulous hearing reliable information from a person who has lived in Portugal for some time.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!🙂👍

We entered into promissory contract knowing the villa had no habitation license. The agent told us it would take 3 months to go through the process. The vendor engaged with an Engineer and submitted plans to Camara. Certain work was undertaken - windows removed, parts of buildings demolished, and evidence was given to Camara when the work was completed, and the Camara issued the license. This whole process took 2 YEARS 8 MONTHS to complete!!!!! So don't be fooled - this is NOT a simple/quick process.

This is the best video I have seen on the topic. please do not hesitate to make more. realistic information is not a downer, it is a positive bedrock. thank you.

This is very informative as I do follow a few channels that are in Portugal including yours and I often wonder what they are allowed and not allowed to do. Thank you for sharing your experiences and helping others by putting this out there. Have a lovely day.

I'm so glad you made this video, you may have potentially helped many to avoid the pitfalls associated with buying property/land in Portugal. Bravo for speaking about the realities 👏🤗🌟

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! If we help even just one avoid any problems we will be very happy. 👍🙂

Obrigado, one of the best and most honest videos yet about buying and living there. It really opens your eyes to so many other youtubers doing it illegal. Best to your family abraço

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Obrigado eu. 👍🙂

I have only begun to research moving to Portugal and think how very lucky I am to have found this video! Thank you very much for accurate information !

@andrewbabcock8681

Жыл бұрын

I too am so glad to have stumbled across this video, I'm just a week in with my research. No more barn conversion videos for me.

@lauramartins5953

11 ай бұрын

Why would you move here?

@lauramartins5953

11 ай бұрын

We can't take all of you!

Very informative, thank you. We also learned a lot from Steve Robinson in the lead up to our move over here. A lot of people don't know about all the "extras" like the architect fees when getting habitation license, as well as the "incomplete" information the agents can give you just to sell the property. Thank you for this video.

Congratulations on this well prepared and presented video,no stone left unturned and an absolute must see before viewing property in Portugal

Ive just been looking into moving here, Portugal, and came across your channel which is very helpful and practical

Thank you for taking your time to clarify things. It’s a jungle out here, and a lot of KZread channels aren’t really making things better or easier.

Amazing information, thank you. There are many "English" KZread videos looking to make the bucks off of people who are not schooled. As a Portuguese resident, I don't appreciate the people who are misleading everyone on how "easy" it is to buy a property in Portugal. It's disgusting how the prices have sky rocketed due to these property invasions and scammers who want to grab a quick buck.

The best video I have seen on purchasing a home in Portugal. Thank you

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The best and most informative bit of info on youtube regarding buying land in portugal i have see over the past few months (and i have watched 1000's of videos on it) WELL DONE and THANKYOU

@Boak7

24 күн бұрын

we the locals don't need you here buying our land.

Good on you and well done. You probably helped us plan to avoid issues down the line. Thank you!

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help

Thank you guys... This is by far the most informative video Ive seen since I started looking at Portugal as a place to buy property to retire in. No KZread real estate person has gone in the deep details as you have . I might be a bit more scared or cautious about it but im not retiring for another 5-6 years , thanks for the great content.

@Boak7

24 күн бұрын

we the locals don't need more old retired people purchasing our land.

I think what you did here is super useful and I want to say thank you. I believe many people unfortunately go a bit too fast and miss very important informations about the laws. I think that ytube is full of videos that often covers the dream aspect of housing project but rarely talk about the more pragmatic aspect and the regulations. So your video has even more merit. Please continue to empower people to help them to avoid huge mistakes.

Love your channel guys....keep up the good work ! nice to see you have brought up a lot of truths about living there

This is the most informative and hugely useful video on Portugal 🇵🇹 ever !!

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

That's an amazing compliment, thank you, hope it helps someone🙂👍

Thank you for this great information-video ! Wishing you the best!

Thanks for your honesty ! Very useful.

Great article 👌 makes one reassess everything. Thanks to you both, for clearing up all the questions. Well Done.

This video really is one of the if not the best at laying out the pitfalls etc. of buying property without doing your research. Like many I have been drawn in like moths to a flame at the lovely country and the properties with 'potential' that Portugal has to offer. It did seem to good to be true, and sure enough... I've watched this episode a number if times now and i pick up something new everytime. Your advice to do our research and follow the rules etc. is bang on, especially as a good number of us will be buying with hard earned savings/pensions etc. I've never been one to jump right in, and this video has certainly confirmed that is is the best policy. I mean you'd do your research buying property in your own country, so why on earth you wouldn't do the same in a foreign country beats me. It was interesting to see in the weeks following the date this was released the videos that were put out by certain KZreadrs. Thank you so much.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, very glad it has helped. Most of the people living off grid know exactly what they are doing and tell us "we dont care, everyone else is doing it" ... some really stupid logic. After this video we saw lots saying there place is legal or they only rebuilt the ruin, then show them adding outdoor kitchens, cesspits, outside bathrooms etc, it think they feel if they say it enough times it will be true.. i find it very sad they lie so easily and miss lead people who hand out money to them on their illegal projects. There was a fire near us last night, a hippy community, I think badly burned, not legal. then on Facebook many posts of more off griders close to the fire saying " we are off grid, they dont know where we live, what should i do??"..... they dont know where they live as they are not legal and have not informed the firemen as they should do...... just a drain on our tax paid fire services.

Finally someone says out loud what everyone knows (if they are honest) but won’t say on video. Personally I think it’s pretty delusional to think you can buy a sheep shack with a tin roof on a couple of hectares anywhere and just live in it without any problems. You can’t do that in the uk so there’s no reason to believe you could do it anywhere in Europe either. I aspire to move there but I’ll do it with my eyes open and I’ll learn the rules first. Most of these places are not farms, Quinta’s, homesteads or whatever else you want to call them. They are pasture fields with agricultural buildings in them. I’ll do my homework, learn the law, get a good lawyer and ask the right questions. If that process makes it unaffordable then maybe I’m not ready yet. I absolutely applaud you for making this video. Some things I didn’t know for sure. You are the best examples of what that life is actually like and I really respect your honesty with everything you do.

@Ragnar8504

11 ай бұрын

I think there are some remote corners of Europe that indeed have very relaxed laws (apparently rural Sweden is one of them) but they're few and far in between. Apparently in Italy it used to be much easier to have illegal builds permitted in retrospect than obtain planning permission before starting the work but that was 20 years ago or more, no idea how it works these days. In general I'd say you're 100% right but surprisingly many people are a bit delusional. Having grown up with holiday visits to Austrian and German expats in Italy I'd say you have to be delusional if you think subsistence farming with zero experience in a somewhat hostile environment (heat and very limited rain doesn't help trying to grow plants) is easier than being employed and living in a flat or house somewhere. As far as I know all but one of those expats who moved there in the 80s have long since thrown in the towel and moved back to Hamburg, Vienna or whereever they'd come from.

@annashealthylifeeverything8583

11 ай бұрын

​@@Ragnar8504in Sweden relaxed laws?? I've been living their for almost 30 years and would definitely never call Swedish laws "relaxed". everything is strictly regulated

@ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee

8 ай бұрын

As much as I understand that there are normally reasons for these rules, I also find it kind of sad. There are unfortunately very few places in my country (the United States) that no longer are free of building rules. My experience is that for some people with certain disabilities, it actually can be more feasible to practice subsistence hunting and farming than to hold a job. It is not about it being less work, it's just that you can't hold a job when you don't know ahead of time what days you will be well enough to work. This makes farming difficult as well obviously, but with a lot of planning (things like automated irrigation for example) you can perhaps grow and harvest food with some level of success. I am lucky enough to have inherited a rural residence. Unfortunately most people are not. I'm not saying it is the wonderful life some people imagine, but it is better than being homeless.

@homeoffice3524

8 ай бұрын

I'm not agree with you. I'm from Northern Europe. You can buy any type of land and live on that full time without any permissions at all. It's your private property. Yes you need building permission for safety and what kind of house you will build there. But that's about it. If I decide put caravan on my land I can live there legally till I die. UK is to fucked up with this laws.

@markcallaghan843

8 ай бұрын

@@homeoffice3524 I’m the last person that would claim uk laws are in any way good. They certainly are not! The more I look into Portuguese planning laws the more I realise that they are actually pretty simple, if you want to do things legally. The problem is that legal isn’t cheap. I’ve looked at a lot of properties now and the ones with habitation certs are usually double or triple the cost of the ones without. If you’re willing to take a gamble on a property without a cert then there are bargains to be had but they are cheap for a reason. You just have to get an honest realtor, a good local lawyer and an accountant and be prepared for things to cost a good deal more than you think!

Honest and insightful, keep up the great work!

Thank for taking the time to explain the 1951 rule. This video be on a saved list for future reference.

Portuguese living here and has built his own house as well, I have to say that your understanding of how things work legally is very on point, which is impressive due to perhaps language barrier and city councils more or so not disclosing actually most of this information up front which results in various troubles down the line. One thing people that come from outside would be also wise to understand is the risk of being in a zone of high fire risk. We have almost zero guarantees that you will safeguarded from fires. This means, bad road access to zones you think is very secluded and great to be from further away of other houses might be very dangerous during summer times. And a lot of dry wells during this times if you plan on doing agriculture. Also construction prices are very high over here and its quality is not always guaranteed. To be honest this was more feasible 10 years ago than it is now in terms of restoring old houses. As costs in constructing are more than double the prices nowadays and you'd like an house over here, I would say the same, do your research and be very patient.

you guys have done a great job by sharing what "those" channels might hide or at least find too boring to share ... gold dust

Amazing and detailed video. Thank you for putting this together.Most helpful. Also puts the spotlight on the current state of affairs on the ground in Portugal for anyone thinking of purchasing land in that country .Sounds like the "market" has gone absolutely ballistic in a not so great way? Great to see you both hale and hearty after all your early trials after moving to Portugal.

Great video, I am from Portugal and didn't know most of what you said in the video. All the best

Wise words. An important video for all would be buyers. 😀👌 We used a well recognised lawyer, not expensive by UK standards, they went through and ensured all the certificates were in place before the sale. Next we talked to a recognised architect, again sound advice on the approval process and importance of getting things agreed in the official channels. Don't be afraid it can all work much more smoothly than you might expect. But they also pointed out pitfalls that you need to avoid so seek advice. We have a pre 1951 property and are not looking to make major changes just those that make for a comfortable living environment. He is also advising how to upgrade at reasonable cost and to ensure our property is scalable, should we wish to, retains character and market attractiveness and works within our budget. Advice is worthwhile! 👍

@melaniemartin6785

Жыл бұрын

Hi Richard, would you be able to share the lawyer and architect's contact information please? Thank you.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words and it is great to see someone doing things the right way, wishing you all the very best in making a life in beautiful Portugal 👍🙂

@richardteychenne3950

Жыл бұрын

@@melaniemartin6785 Let me just check with them as a courtesy. They operate primarily in the Fundao council area is that where you are looking to purchase? Also please don't be surprised if it takes a little while as I know they are both very busy.

@melaniemartin6785

Жыл бұрын

@Richard Teychenne Thanks Richard, appreciate it. Yes, I'm interested in Fundao area. No problem with the timeframe, it's not urgent, would like some advice for now. 🙏

@richardteychenne3950

Жыл бұрын

@@melaniemartin6785

Great video, I have told countless people what you can "get away with" and what's legal are two very different things.

Amazing content. Super useful. Thank you.

Finally a channel living legally. Well done on a very much needed informative video 👍

Thank you both for the information.. I'm also looking too buy land in Portugal.. but obviously have so too learn.. I found this video really informative..

You are spot on, thank you. I probably should have watched this 3 months ago - I bought a house in the Azores which was old but not a ruin (it went well but I intuitively did a lot of research ahead of time as you recommended). However, I almost also bought land and made all of the mistakes you mentioned. Fortunately, I backed out safely on closing day. I’ll be smarter next time now. Obrigada.

Very well explained. Thank you both.

Thank you for taking the time to explain the true situation Good luck with your farm Just enjoy it

Great video, nice to see some truth on KZread for a change. There are way too many youtubers that are showing the lifestyle that is totally illegal. The one that comes to mind without naming them is a barn conversion series, roughing it etc etc. Now they are on acreage with a big home, new equipment and all of that under just the guise of obtaining views and flogging the free stuff they get to promote. Keep up the honest content.

@shelleypeppard4694

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else sees through that particular channel….

@HeidiPriest

Жыл бұрын

if she happens to read this, she be poorly again

@denisescally7090

Жыл бұрын

'They' even stated that they were responsible for the 'convert a barn in Portugal' genre. They earned a lot of You Tube income from pushing it but had secretly moved on to their not very tiny home!

@shelleypeppard4694

Жыл бұрын

@@HeidiPriest god don’t you know it….like a child who throws her dummy out if we don’t all say nice things. What I don’t understand is why so many people literally don’t see through them. They have fallen out with many you tubers in Portugal - I wonder why? I watched them in the ‘win the wilderness’ and that’s when I realised what they were truly about, and don’t get me started on the begging video for the ‘fire in our big huge property that we didn’t tell you about’

@denisescally7090

Жыл бұрын

@@xvsupremacy7190 I can’t watch them anymore. They definitely made it look like the off grid tiny house life could be possible in Portugal. They couldn’t abandon it fast enough!!

Again, good and detailed info. 5 stars video! Thank you! Always following you!

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Hugo!

The best video on living in Portugal that I have seen. Thank you both

It wasn't boring at all- this video is very informative and stands out of majority of "Portugal videos". I am going to keep it as one of my guide line sources, the greatest Thank You for this!

Incredibly helpful. Thanks. It’s clear that the most sensible thing is to buy a real house for more money with none of the restrictions you mention. Thanks for clarifying these details. Seeking professional advice, using a lawyer and architect is the way to go. I was ready to fly over and buy an inexpensive piece of land for future off grid living. Thanks for a healthy dose of reality.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Not even more money there are cheap, run down but legal houses available for 15,000 euros... but it might be easier in the long run for most. If your thinking about it, then message the agents and ask only for land with a house with Habitation licence or the possibility to get one, then view those, it isnt super expensive or hard on the right place.🙂👍

@brigid6609

Жыл бұрын

Be aware that they might ask for a planning permission for renovating aswell.

@keithnisbet

Жыл бұрын

@@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife thankyou

Such a honest video! Thanks finally someone tells it like it is!

This was so helpful,thank you for saying it as it is,looking for property with permits now,thanks again

Very useful . Good grounding in what to expect and look for.

Absolutely fantastic vlog full of true information thankyou

Very Important video, Good job guys! Unfortunately, I am forced to sell my dream land, But I come across a lot people telling me " Your price is high, I can buy a land for this and that", And I am like " Yeah, Go on".

@christines5430

Жыл бұрын

I am really sorry to hear that you have to sell your lovely land. I hope you get an excellent price for it.

@auntiemandy5638

Жыл бұрын

Hey Alex, people wondered where you had gone, oh no that's terrible news about the land you worked so hard , hope your papa is better and things turn out how you hope

@AlexLukachina

Жыл бұрын

@@christines5430 Thank you Christine :)

@AlexLukachina

Жыл бұрын

@@auntiemandy5638 Thank you Auntie Mandy, Appreciate it :)

@inesneto5280

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering where you had gone to. I'm really sorry to hear that you have to sell your land. I so looked forward to your videos. If I may ask, why do you have to sell. You have done such a wonderful job with the restoration of your dream home.

found you by chance and would thank you for your dose of realism.

Thank you so much for taking you time to this video really did help me iv been looking to buy in the next year has a build I thought this would be perfect for my to live of the land but now I'm thinking twice thank you keep up the good work

Absolutely priceless information. Thank you.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This might be the most useful video l saw lately. Half of these young KZreadrs are like- we now have 3 tomatoes, two lettuces and some green beans. Now we are on the way to become self-sufficient. Next video- "great news guys, we got ourselves a cute goat, huge step forward..." And followers are melted, watching cute goat happily jumping around 🤦🏼‍♀️😆 lf you want to have a farm and want it to become somewhat self-sufficient and it includes farm animals (obviously it does if goat is step forward), you will need many of those cute goats and other cute animals that will eventually become a meat. That barbecue you are preparing on your "off grid veranda" once was cute goat or sheep. That's the reality of the farm life, speaking from experience. Romantic ideas are ok but you can't live of them. If you are moving to foreign country you need to get familiar with the laws and regulations, you need to learn at least basics of the language of that country, and you need to secure your income. Get a job, then if you have savings choose carefully and buy that piece of land, see how it goes in free time.

Really useful to know, thank you!

This is a great video. I've been here since 2003 and the laws are changing so often that the Camara sometimes doesn't know the current law without referring to their legal departments; especially in early spring after new laws are introduced. However I would like to add a point. Many of the paleirhas(barns) did have families living in them year round ( animals downstairs and family above) and as they were less than 30 square metres they didn't have to apply for habitation as it was the size of the building that dictated registration, back in the day. I believe this is where a lot of the confusion comes from. The rural areas are so underpopulated that the Camaras are often very helpful as abandoned land isn't good for anyone so I strongly support your suggestion to talk with the Engineers at your local Camara. 😊

Excellent content - thank you so much for sharing. This has come at an ideal time; my daughter and I are finally looking at properties in Portugal and this information is extremely helpful. I have already had some very evasive answers from real estate agents when I have made enquiries about properties, and many of the KZread videos by real estate agents for properties currently available make a point of mentioning that temporary structures are permissible (with no mention of any hoops to jump through), or that you can renovate a tiny ruin into a house. I am looking at a project building with some land, for holidays, long breaks and possibly eventually to retire to, but my daughter spotted a fully renovated 5 bedroom farm with a lot of land and she is trying to argue the case for it :)

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

That makes this video worthwhile doing, we are happy it has helped you a little. Absolute best of luck in your search 🙏

Excellent video, very informative.

Great information! We thought it was a bit odd to see so many people building off grid on rustic land in what was clearly not a building previously used for habitation. We had no intention of going that route so it didn’t affect our plans at all. Glad to see you sharing useful information and a reality check. I would hate to see someone spend their life savings setting up their forever home only to find out it has not been done correctly and they can’t live there. That would be devastating. 😢

Great info guys 👍 we also paid €28 at the camara for a land report to help us understand what we could do on the property before we offered. We did this on another property we were really interested in buying then discovered the ‘house’ was in a nature reserve and it would be impossible to get a habitation licence so well worth paying for the report prior to putting in an offer

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

€28 for peace of mind.......... Priceless. Thanks for adding that 👍🙂

@donnacosta5633

Жыл бұрын

Most of the time you don't need to pay if you have a copy of the Caderneta of the property (ask the seller or agent) and take it to the Camara, they'll tell you there and then as they know their district as well as their own hands. During summer when they are very busy they may only accept written requests by filling a PIP form, but as said above, €28 for peace of mind is nothing.

Thanks for all the information you have shared learnt quite abit really appreciate it, great video.

Im surprised 😮 😐it's completely different from what i was told....thank you very much indeed 👏🏻👌🏻💯 For Sharing this episode.....💐

Hi, thanks for all the information. This is great to know.

Thanks for this video,really good info.,and nicely presented. Ive seen some of these channels,and had questions about the legalities,so thanks for answering these questions. Subscribed. Best wishes 🙂👍🙏

Good down to earth information.

As a portuguese in is late forties owning land in central Portugal I can assure you that all Cameras Municipais are eager to have people living in their municipality and they will “bend rules” and look the other way all the time. They will never check if you live a max of 9 months, NEVER. They will use the pre-1951 law and bend it to have you living there, only thing they are concerned is with your bathroom (composting toilets our out house only) and NO DRILLING for water, only weal. This advise is extremely useful because most people are buying above market price and improving their land convinced that they will increase even more that value and that is not the case. Not an investment is a basic homestead to enjoy an alternative life style.

@istandforfreedom1111

11 ай бұрын

Interesting thankyou. You mentioned no drilling for water and weal is that well.. only use well water?

@PresidentBust

11 ай бұрын

Id also love to hear more from you about what the no drilling for water thing is about?

@freebird7017

11 ай бұрын

@@PresidentBustNo boreholes, I presume.

@lauraboyes6345

6 ай бұрын

Ah - A Portuguese saying they will "NEVER" check if you stay more than 9 months without applying for planning permission - hmmm!

Many thanks for making and sharing this.

Very useful video. Thank you 😊

Thank you so much for your honestly. best advice i heard, nearly jumped a few months back , but i can say even the lawyer i felt wasn't up front.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Dont give up the hope, there are still lots of places that are or can be made legal without too much investment. 🙂👍

Very helpful and honest down to earth information, thank you very much. As you said, you cannot provide legal advice but I think it is one of the best checklists (along with the supplementary information added by some commenters) for anyone seriosly considering to buy property in Portugal live there, and maybe some day sell it again without a loss. I think it is important to understand that while many parts of Portugal are rural and literally in the west of Europe, it is not the Wild West, it has laws and rules and authorities which apply to everyone, even to those foreigners with their funny yellow numberplates and steering wheel on the wrong side. In fact, a lot of the laws are implementations of EU directives or guidelines, e.g. energy efficiency rules. This means, the laws are probably not very different from the country where you come from, including UK which despite Brexit probably still has very similar rules re. houses and properties. See esp. the currently discussed upcoming revision of the Energy Performance of Buildings Directive (EPBD) with it's Minimum Energy Performance Standards (MEPS) which has the potential to make basically any building older than 5-10 years illegal to live in unless you massively invest into insulation. Note, it is going to be a directive, which applies directly as a national law, actually it is superior to national law, and there will be little room for national deviations. In particular, currently they only discuss exceptions for listed historic monuments, and probably thing like the "1951 rule" will cease to exist.

Excellent Vlog you certainly woke me up

very informative. Thank you.

Thank you for the information, great initative!

Thank you so much for this information, this will help very much so !!!!!

Fantastic information, thank you!

Courageous and refreshing information. I hope you get good comments, and that you can save people lots of trouble in the future. Muito obrigado.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, all we want is to help people get informed 👍🙂

EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!!!

Really great Information! Has helped me.

This was very informative. Could really help a potential buyer a lot of heartache.

Awesome video, thanks for all that Information.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! 🙂

Thank you for your honesty 🙏 on this subject. I truly hope this helps potential purchasers make the right legal choices. It makes me sad so many people are being misled or holding back the realities and pitfalls where you could lose your life savings.

@donnacosta5633

Жыл бұрын

They might have been misled by other youtubers and agents & sellers but NEVER by their local Camara. The problem is... they don't bother to consult their Camara, they'd rather believe social media heresay and assume they can do whatever they want because some folks say so. Does this attitude apply in their own country?

@annashealthylifeeverything8583

11 ай бұрын

​@@donnacosta5633the local camara we contacted was very misleading. I learn more from other sources than from them. they are either very misleading or don't even know their own local regulations

@donnacosta5633

11 ай бұрын

@@annashealthylifeeverything8583 Your comment above is like saying you went to the doctor and he knew nothing about medicine...! It doesn't make any sense... LOL If you went to the local Camara (local to where the property is located) they sure know about the local regulations because... they make them and implement them. It's called the local PDM = Plano Director Municipal. What I'm guessing is that you asked a generic question, without any supporting docs, and since every property is different, they could not answer your questions. You have to take a copy of the Caderneta Predial of the specific property with you (that's the ID doc of each property and sellers or agents must give you a copy) and ask what you can and can't do in that specific property. If you understanf portuguese well, the PDM can also be check online, but you'd need to understand local cartography and planning jargon. If the Camara is not very busy when you visit, you'll get an answer there and then FREE of charge, or you may be required to fill in a PIP form (Pedido de Informaçao Previa) and get a written reply for around 30 Euros.

Brilliant information. Thanks for your time and effort..

Amazing video. Thank you to open our eyes. I will follow you right now. I love Portugal. Thank you for the amazing video.

@FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, hope you will enjoy our day to day videos too🙂

Parabéns por tudo o que foi dito. Obrigada também por ajudar a explicar como funcionamos aqui.