Thank you for the honest interview. "I wish I could tell you it shaved an hour off my workflow... It didn't." This video showed me the highs and lows of this device in just 6 minutes. Kudos to the host for keeping it real and short! You just helped me save $300!

How about a review on using an inexpensive MIDI controller with software like MIDI2LR, Paddy or Knobroom?

What's your job? 'Yeah, I couldn't choose between music and photography so I became a Photojockey....'

With the rotate know, and for all dials and knobs, there are two modes - speed mode and accuracy mode. You seem to have yours set to speed mode. See the manual for the easy instructions as to how to set it to accuracy mode.

The photo that was tested was beautiful!!!

It's the kind of thing I'd buy on impulse, and then hate myself for wasting all that money.

@Jasonzvo

2 жыл бұрын

But then love it after a few weeks when you get used to it

Great review!

If you it the 'alt' key in the loupedeck the crop rotation will be much smaller than full degrees increments.

Does this work on Capture One? I do photo tethering but I find using Adobe Lightroom is too slow vs. Capture One.

You can use standard MIDI controllers to get the same experience at a fraction of the price, also its fully customizable to whatever app you use, it needs quite a bit of tweaking though.

I just got the Behringer X Touch Mini ($35 on eBay) plus MIDI2LR (donation) - does pretty much the same thing for about 10% of the cost. Really love the analogue editing...and the price!

@AlexLog314

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly the same setup, more conventient layout than the Loopedeck as well. This one looks like the controls are randomly scattered on the board.

@ljphil78

7 жыл бұрын

Same setup except with a Behringer BCF2000 and MIDI2LR, which has motorised faders as well :)

@JoeAshElOjo

7 жыл бұрын

I use a different techtools midi fighter twister

Is there are any chipper analogues?

Does anyone know technically how this works? Does Adobe publish an API for controlling Lightroom parameters, or does this thing somehow mimic key presses by hooking into the keyboard driver or sending something like a WM_KEYDOWN message to the OS? The reason that I ask is that I already have programmable MIDI controllers that I use for my soft-synths and I could write a program to use them with Lightroom.

The color sliders, I know you said it only for LR but have your tried them in PS? I could see me using them when I do black and white to change the individual colors on the grey scale. That and you should see if they can do a Tony & Chelsea special offer!

I never understood why Dehaze is hidden in the effects panel. It belongs in basic. I use it all the time!

What if Lightroom changes it sliders or adds/subtracts features? I really love just using my small Wacom tablet. It's just like drawing. It works really well for me! And like $80 on amazon lol

Love this little thing,he elp me a lot on my editing stuff,works for me ; How many inches the monitor your back has?

Can't wait to watch this when I get home

Good evening I would like to know if it works for the following programs: Photoshop cc 2019, Aurora HDR 2019, Affinity Photo, ON 1 Photo RAW 2019. Thank you very much and I await your answer. Friendly Thodoris Siorikis

How does Chelsea like it as you have described her as borderline RSI?

It would be cool if it has pad and pen to use brush’”s

I'd love to see follow up videos on this stuff, just like cameras and other gear.."6 months later...."....are you using it? Did you ever use it and how long?

Tony, are you still using that in real life or is it more "fun for few weeks" type of product?

Thank you! Tony...,

I like the idea. cost? ouch an adjustable stand would be a good idea too

I don't ever see any of these products taking off. :-\ $300 is better spent on RAM or anything else inside the computer that might actually speed things up.

This is perfect for photo editing on a rollercoaster ride.

This is a fidget spinner for photographers 😂😂😂

@fgp0032

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah... that's actually pretty far

@Dolfan0925

7 жыл бұрын

It was a joke people get over yourselves. And it was hilarious. 😂😂😂

@Vicvines

7 жыл бұрын

oh god...

@nandavenkat

7 жыл бұрын

This is just a waste gadget. What happens when Adobe decides to change sliders.

@fgp0032

7 жыл бұрын

"get over yourselves" ...I still ain't going to laugh at this shit

I'm sort of interested, but I also have problems with nerves in my right arm, so figure this might help. One problem though--I feel like in Lightroom I'm always using the 'alt' key with the blacks and whites, masking for sharpening, and so on. The screen turns black and white and makes it easy to see what you're doing. Is there a way to do that with this?

@hamietravels

7 жыл бұрын

Tzadeck I use this also every time

@ZannaTheGreat

7 жыл бұрын

Tzadeck I was wondering the same thing... that may be something you can assign to one of the buttons

I've been looking for something like that! I just wish it had a track pad or something.

the export button alone is worth the money.. or is there a way to dedicated a keyboard shortcut for that?

@sledgehammermessiah

7 жыл бұрын

AAP-SG ok my bad, one button..

@ogjbot

7 жыл бұрын

buy a keyboard with programmable buttons.

@sledgehammermessiah

7 жыл бұрын

AAP-SG yes open export with one button press, like on this product. is it possible?

for every one that likes the sound of this but not the price, Behringer x-touch mini +MIDI2LR, will do the same thing for about $60 and a bit more setup time.

Very nice

The balance of want versus need seems clear to me on this one.

With a keyboard, Wacom tablet and mouse already on the desktop, where would you put this? Not to mention the price point is way to high. Rather just stick to using the keyboard shortcuts...

@ZannaTheGreat

7 жыл бұрын

photomedium It takes time to learn the shortcuts, but once you have them down they make workflow way faster than this gadget ever will... people should save the 300 bucks and learn the short cuts lol

Just one more thing cluttering up my desk. Unless it is going to save me time, it brings nothing to the table. No pun intended. Love the shows, keep em coming.

Rotary encoders are used rather than sliders as they are infinite. Price is comparable with entry level control surfaces for video colour grading, and higher end surfaces are many thousands of USD. BCF2000 is a great midi panel and if that can be used it's worth a shot. Loupe deck are currently mishandling VAT on EU B2B sales via shopify so beware of that.

The only ones I have seen use this are Tony and Thomas Heaton and they were given it free. I certainly cannot justify the cost of buying one for myself.

nice vid!!!!

It's definitely a fun idea, but some of its limitations seem like a deal breaker (ex: the cropping with degree increments).

Thank you for sharing your amazing video, I like your video

Like many, I have gotten used to desktop keyboard shortcuts- because Tony told me to! I'd like to see one with a connection for the iPad and Lightroom mobile. I know the iPad Pro is nice with the apple pen, but I don't plan on upgrading soon. I would like to use the iPad more with a little less smudging up the screen. I also can't see paying the $300 price tag.

I think I’m a bit of a Luddite when it comes to knobs and buttons, I purposely got the Wacom pad that had no buttons at all on. I really like that image though.

schould cut down on the scrolling between buttonts in develop

Τέλειο-Perfect!!!!!

I'm curious as to what chelsea's take on this is

Tony, have you heard the xtouch mini and Midi2LR system? That cost just $50 and will be more customizable and will improve faster since it's open source.

Not your most enthusiastic product review -- and rightfully so. Thanks for pointing out the faults and the good stuff. After watching your review, I've concluded that it's not a product I need. Thanks, Tony.

Always love manual buttons! Made me less sleepy, and kinda like to work brutally with all my fingers at once 😁 Um, Lightroom only?

No way! when I saw this, I wanted one so badly!

It's interesting and I wish the inventors luck As the commentary below shows it's hard for many to GROK that limited run, custom purpose, V1 hardware cannot be cost compared with a standard keyboard that is made in the millions. That, not the technology, will be the creators main issue I suspect but I hope enough early adopters jump on board to allow them to get the benefits of scale.

Honest review, If you think this will speed up your editing, the learning curve and motion memory you have to relearn will slow you down for a month, depending on how many photos your edit through this. I edited a good 1000 pictures and learned the board were I don't need to look at it to understand which dial am turning. Beware you will get frustrated and want to return it. I actually processed the return and ended up canceling the return after the frustration period is over. I still returned it tho as it was a great idea, but not worth the cost. Same result with a cheap $50 midi board too. Cheaper feel make for less enjoyment of editing photos.

As some other pointed out ... there is free software ( MIDI2LR ) and with $50 you can get a Midi Controller like X-Touch Mini and get the same thing - actually better, cause you can choose your workflow. Btw - if you work with presets (which with Midi2LR you can map to any button) you can get very fast. I cut my edit time by almost 50% - even for travel photography which has quite some variety.

Lol all these people complaining that it's $300. If you're a professional photographer that's less than the cost of one shoot. If you take your work seriously this is more than worth it. My time is my most valuable thing. If this saves me 20 hours over the course of a year it's paid for itself multiple times over.

Is it REALLY an "analog" tool if the dials are all set to integer-value changes? Now... if it would wisely scale down to +/- .1 or .01 or .001 based on how slowly you turn it (or something) then you'd have more granular control so that it felt more like analog.

They should compress/rearrange the distribution of buttons and sliders and add a keyboard layout below, all in a way that combines the Loopdeck and a keyboard into something you can replace both with. It'll make it the #1 item to get for every Lightroom user.

Useful? Absolutely. I'd love to use it. But not for $300,-. $49,95 Tops. For a wireless version. With tilt-stands.

@DIgitusSmartas

6 жыл бұрын

good idea but seems cheap plastic too, did you hear the sound it makes when knobs are used, I'd say $35 tops.

It's now around 150 euro with VAT in The Netherlands. I guess that's pretty much the cheapest it would probably get.

Can't see this taking off at all, seems like hard work compared with just using a mouse and keyboard.

I’d love it if they made a bluetooth version. I’d gladly pay $300 for that, but it’s a little pricey right now. Still, good to know it’s a good experience using it!

I love buttons.

Hmm as a amateur photographer I just can't justify such a price for such a niche product. Perhaps it will appeal to e.g. wedding photographers who mostly do minor corrections on a bunch load of pictures. Do you think it's likely we soon find a Chinese knock-off for 1/6th of the price? Thanks for reviewing! ps. If you are concerned with ergonomics and can type blindly (which, as former software developer, you surely can!), it is actually better to leave your keyboard feet flat, as the raised angle puts more stress on your wrists. See them as a vestigial organ from the typewriter times (=>i.e. the keyboard's coccyx)

@Honeypot-x9s

7 жыл бұрын

even as a photographer or enthusiast with a bigger budget i can't even consider it. no justification for its price. given its limited functionality and its awkward positioning in the market. i think its universally a no to most everyone.

@Slayer1111111111able

6 жыл бұрын

It's not for amateurs I don't think. This is a niche, kickstarter project for professionals who are sick and tired of dragging tiny sliders with their mouse day in and day out.

Might be quite nice on a touchscreen with a pen... or in front of the keyboard. I like it when people make addons like this, it should be encouraged!

$100 understandable, $50 would be amazing. But $300 really? It doesn't even have mechanical switches or a robust build quality

They need a link for amazon

Hi! 1:40: Rotate/Crop works at 0,8° accuracy but while FN is pressed down, it will turn with 0,05° increments - I bet that is just what you were hoping for :) 2:20: About workflow speed. If you are a super pro and have really fine tuned workflow, Loupedeck will not speed it up tremendously (shouldn't slow you down either). But if you are not a super-pro, it will be a killer. Rating process will be faster. Using presets will be faster, you can adjust multiple adjustments at the same time, no more snipering the small sliders with your mouse, or searching through the panels x) 2:45: We have thought of ergonomics while designing Loupedeck; One key feature is, that Loupedeck divides the workload for two hands (instead of one) - so it really should be more relaxed tool to use (no clinical tests have been done though). 3:23: Loupedeck will not replace mouse totally. Some tools are faster to adjust with mouse, so we haven't integrated those functions into the deck at all - that would be a waste of users time :( But mouse fits neatly right besides Loupedeck - keyboard is something my desk is missing while editing. 4:40: I too hate the location where DeHaze has been added x) Thanks for the quick review! There are much more functions and customizing coming up later this year! - Karo / Loupedeck

@ZannaTheGreat

7 жыл бұрын

Karo Holmberg Price is crazy - especially for us non-super-pros lol I'll wait for updates and cheaper options/versions. Maybe something like a small control panel just for the color sliders, I'd love to have something like that - color adjustments are what I see this time of product being best for, in my workflow any way

@TheCaro2

7 жыл бұрын

Zanna: It is a lot of money, yes, but compared to what you get it is not crazy. Other dedicated "color mixer consoles" that are approximately in the same category cost even more than loupedeck: - PFixer XTremist Bundle (379$) (includes the program+console) - Pallette Geat Expert (which has less functions) (499$) (i think its something like 800$ if you want the same amount of knobs/sliders/buttons what loupedeck has). You could buy just a midi-console and run it with Midi2LR: - Behringer X-Touch extended: 300$ (same price) or in Europe 422€ (~50€'s over Loupedeck) - Behringer X-Touch mini 50$ (70€ in europe) But those are not erconomically designed for lightroom. They are not good to use, and their build quality is far behind. That cheap X-Touch mini for example has knobs that wobble like trees in the wind and are even _unturnable_ if you push them sideways and try to rotate them. Describing the quality of that product is something I wouldn't do if there are children around - so, they are not really comparable at all. Give a loupedeck a try (if possible), test it out, and then make your decision about it :) PS. Comparable dj-mixers are in the same price category - so the price, although it is a lot of money, is really in line.

@TravisNutley

7 жыл бұрын

With all due respect, and I appreciate you mentioning other alternatives, the X-Touch mini description is pretty far off. Mine's been incredibly stable and solid. I've had no issue at all with the knobs after several months of use.

@TheCaro2

7 жыл бұрын

I have been using audio mixers (escpecially dj-mixers) for over 20 years. I have some kind of perspective what does good knob feel like. Behringer has always been one of the worst. Try it out yourself, basic trick to check out if the knobs are of any quality: Push your X-Touch Minis knob to the left or right just the amount that it moves and then turn it - doesn't it feel like stuck? If you use a bit more force pushing it to the side, it just won't move at all. The only thing that feels good in X-Touch Mini is the slider. But I bet that if that slider is taken to a real use (like used all the time a lot) it will worn out in a year or two - that is how behringer makes things (I have "burned" three different behringers dj-mixers in use - the only behringers that are still alive, are two eurodesk mixers and they haven't been used for 15 years). Believe me, you just can't get quality stuff with under couple of hundred. And if you have more sliders, rolls, knobs and buttons - the price will go up.

@TheCaro2

7 жыл бұрын

I am not saying, that it doesn't work - of course it does. But it doesn't make it a quality product..

I shoot a lot of set photography and I can shoot up to 3000-5000 RAW images a day. So something like this or the Palette system. I will have to try both and decide what I like best. Being able to qickley adjust the crop and straighten setting, exposure, next photo and star rating on the fly will save me a ton of time. I can sync the settings like color balance, contrast and sharpening to my desired preferences to my whole take so those settings I would not need any dials or sliders.

2:08 yeah tony you change that expooooooosure

While this is cool. The majority of the things on it you can do by just learning our key commands in Lightroom. I think the only thing that's cool are the dials and knobs.

cool

That thumbnail is so QVC at 2am

Definitely needs software updates so you can adjust the increment changes with the dials. Also I don't like how the buttons sound when you press them, kinda seems flimsy or maybe I'm just used to cherry MX switches lol. Good concept but not for $300 USD. That would be like $500 in Australia lol and for that id rather buy a new lens

@makers_lab

7 жыл бұрын

Was going to get one but hearing the buttons it's put me off a bit too. Still it seems better than the similar priced Tangent ripple for premiere/resolve.

@TheCaro2

7 жыл бұрын

Press FN while rotating crop/angle, it will use 0,05 increments instead of 0,8. Adjusting the speed of the knobs is most likely coming up later this year in one of the software updates. Stay tuned!

Or you could use a midi controller with free Midi2lr software for exactly the same thing. Using a good mouse with a thumb trackball has yielded great results for RSI problems and editing speed for me and is still faster than having dedicated controller buttons. Although assigning a midi button to very specific functions such as 'make HDR/panorama' or 'copy/paste develop settings' does save time right clicking or menu diving. If you customised this controller to very specific often used functions it could be good but it's not cost effective compared to a budget midi controller.

i just use a midi board with the midi2lr plugin, for a 3rd of the price

In Euros it's even worse. € 369... While USD300 is only € 262,- at the current rates. (Or, the other way around: what we have to pay in Euros would be USD 423,- !) Forget it Loupedeck. Not happening. (What's with the "integrated USB cable" by the way? So that it can't be easily replaced if it's broken? What's wrong with a USB connector in the board and using standard cables?)

I'd go for it if they threw in Pong though.

Just get a $100 MIDI controller that does the same thing.

@paulmoadibe9321

7 жыл бұрын

do you have one in mind ?

@TravisNutley

7 жыл бұрын

Get the Behringer x-touch Mini for $60. Works great with midi2lr

@JoeAshElOjo

7 жыл бұрын

Paul Moadibe I use a djtechtools midi fighter twister

@viktortsoi3994

6 жыл бұрын

i have mpk with shit ton of dials, how do you set it up? customize for LR?

Seems like this would be far better suited as a low cost panel for color grading. If you're reading this Loupedeck, I'm thinking DaVinci Resolve.. ;-)

Hold the FN button to crop angle in SMALL increments.

i wonder how responsive it is.

@TonyAndChelsea

7 жыл бұрын

It seems to happen instantly.

For me the buttons on it feel a bit "cheap", also the scroll wheels. Also, my personal preference for the dials, I would have liked them to "give some feedback", like slight clicks when turned, so like if you know that you only want like +5 clarity, you just do 5 clicks on the dial, not loud ones, but just so you can feel what you're doing. That's just me though.

Interesting.

It' s very professional. What a great tool for the work station. Thanks for sharing.

I don't like using a mouse but I wish the Loupedeck were more flexible. I think my Wacom tablet is better for now.

$150 max since it's not even made out of aluminum

300 something is pretty decent. The Capture One 10 solution, Tangent Element, is 3K bucks.

I use Capture One. 😕

@chrisogrady28

7 жыл бұрын

Tom Bombadil Cap 1 master race

@MoritzRieger

7 жыл бұрын

So how does it work? (assuming you did use Lightroom at least at some point) How do you replace the whole library module?

@midnightsnack1306

7 жыл бұрын

Capture One user here too! Wanted to buy something similar but their Tangent Element board cost 3,500 bucks! Yikes!

I think that watch the dials instead continue watching the monitor SLOWS DOWN the workflow.

300$ seems high....ergonomically it seems the colors should be lower on the panel and knobs on top because you have to reach over the knobs with the current setup......also the changes as you say need to be in smaller increments

This would be useful for photoshop as well.

What, no Photohop??!? Crazy! I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

@michaelmellinger2324

7 жыл бұрын

Mike Theobald Then perhaps this is want you want? palettegear.com

@mike_MKvipPhoto

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Mellinger: wow, looks great! Thanks for the info.

Pull up the dehaze button, totally worth it

Analog buttons wow

I would definitely buy it ... if it were half that price.

300 is kinda steep for only Lightroom. i use midi2lr plugin and use a Korg nanokontrol 2 midi controller. it's 60 bucks new and every button and knob are mappable.

Mines on order they ship 17/7/17 can't wait I think it's a step forward yes it's expensive but so is everything else, I personally can't wait to get mine. Thanks great review.

@breathLP

7 жыл бұрын

Have fun!

$100 is absolutely max I would pay something like this. Even then I think I would prefer mouse and keyboard for fuller functionality. Not to mention I'm way too lazy to learn new things. :D

Hmmm... half the price ? 149.00?

Definitely a niche product, but I think it'll be pretty cool to have that set up on a desktop, dedicated for photo editing only But we'll never be royals

i hate using the mouse to click through the tiny buttons. so this would be the perfect gadget for me.