I have problems with both sides of this. I immediately did not with Guy's take on the people that play WWII German armies. Now, I also do not agree with Bando's use of Guy's personal life (a life that is rarely, if ever, exhibited on his channel) to insult Guy for upsetting Bando. Guy had a very poor take, and Bando reacted with playground name calling. Both ought to rethink their stances on the importance of wargames; becasue what transpired today is shameful.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Good comment

@godzillarolls1613

Жыл бұрын

Holy Hell, that bit at the end was gross.

@thespacemarine247

Жыл бұрын

Whoops I liked, take a dislike.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

​@@godzillarolls1613yes it was, that was intentional.

@keo2907

Жыл бұрын

Yes, things like the last comment I think went a bit to far but it's also understandable why people got mad at Guy after he basically calling part of his audience Nazi sympathizers straight to their faces. So yes, two wrongs doesn't make one right, but it's also quite predictable it would make people go that far. I've watched midwinter minis for some time now and he seems like a nice dude and I hope for him that he comes up with his own more thought out conclusion because it was really disappointing seeing such a childish and superficial view from a guy I always thought of as really creative

If the army of choice were a true indicator to the real character of the individual playing them I would run screaming away from Dark Eldar players and hide behind the guy playing the Afrika Korps. Also if someone had Erebus as the leader of their Word Bearer army I would try to keep them away from small boys.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Anyone who owned an Erebus mini would be taken behind your local GW and beaten by the world eaters players

@williamings773

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando as they should be.

@lordhamster9452

Жыл бұрын

As a certain Ausie lad said. Fuk Erobus. Amen.

@lordhamster9452

Жыл бұрын

If it was a true indication, than I wouldn’t know what to do around Krieg fans. Being around them would make one suicidal, and running away from them would be a cowardice in the line of duty, thus suicide. Still beats Night lords and Word bearers.

@DarkCatfish

Жыл бұрын

Erebus isn't that bad

Nobody wants to play the villain of the story. That's why Bolt Action had to buff the British Army so they could finally see play

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

😅😂 damn you got us.

Ironically, MWM's video is sponsored by World of Warships, where half of the ships are from the bad guys. He does a promo for it half way through 🤦‍♂️

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Wait my videos have adverts?! YOOTOOB! WHERES MY DAMN CHEQUE! 😂

@MattyRlufc

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando lol no - I meant MWM's video is sponsored by World of Warships and he does a promo for them half way through... A game in which people play as Allies and Axis in WW2....

@gringofett3944

Жыл бұрын

I started watching the video and that ad came on which made me chuckle. I got the gist of his video in the first 2 minutes and stopped watching. What a load of BS.

@MattyRlufc

Жыл бұрын

@@gringofett3944 yeah it was nonsense. The only justification I can see is that he's from Jersey which was occupied by Germany during WW2 so maybe it's a culture thing..?

@gringofett3944

Жыл бұрын

@@MattyRlufc I am going with he is being squishy and I am almost certain that it has to do with him getting flak from his girlfriend.

I had a large Waffen SS force, I had a large British and US force too, what about those who play as the Soviets? the thing we need to realise is, we are not playing the politics, we are playing with toy soldiers

@imadequate3376

Жыл бұрын

THIS^ seriously I am so sick and tired of people taking a table top game and my army choices and thinking "oh you must be a commie because you have a USSR army" while I open my box to reveal British and German Armies as well like "excuse the fuck outta me bud but I got a army for every opponent to enjoy"

@darrenthurman

Жыл бұрын

@@imadequate3376 I get that from having Soviet armies for FoW and Team Yanky, but I think it's about head games to get a competitive advantage

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

SS players are disgusting. Who in their right mind would ever want to paint that much camouflage 😂

When i was younger i was always told, we have to learn about ww2 and history so that we remember and therefore wont let it go so far ever again. Nowadays the mantra is to act like it never happened and cancel everything related to it, doesnt sound like a good idea to me!

Heres the thing. They cant separate the two. Too them EVERYTHING is political.

One final point before I take my special smartie and get locked up for the night. More than one great actor has gone on record expressing how much fun it is to play the baddie. More fun than playing the goodie apparently. I would hardly say that Peter O'Toole, Christopher Lee and Alan Rickman were genuinely evil people in real life.

Reasons why you would play the Germans and not be a Nazi: 1. You like the way they look/play 2. You understand the fact that this is a game and you are playing the bad guys, like an actor in a ww2 movie. 3. You are interested in the history of the war in general 4. You want to play a damn wargame and you don’t care about the history behind your toy soldiers 5. Gotta collect them all.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

That blitzkrieg drip

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

Also if you lose then at least it was the Germans who lost. One of the many reasons I chose them

@tomstokoe5660

Жыл бұрын

@@noblegalifreyan4551 "I didn't play poorly I was just being historically accurate!"

@brotherhoodofsteel4751

Жыл бұрын

Plus collecting multiple armies means you can play more games

@josiegreene6140

Жыл бұрын

Guy actually states these in his video, he didn't accuse anyone of being Nazis lol. Also love your name, big fan of RW Chambers and CoC 7th edition

The generation that actually fought the war in the 40s bought their kids Airfix Panzers in the 60s, it's ludicrous that the generation that grew up as the war is fading from living memory claims to have discovered the true motivations.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. A generation of boys grew up reading commando! Or Biggles building mini kits etc many of them growing up to fight themselves in places like Borneo, the Falklands, the middle east.

@Error898789

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando ... and stories told by elder family members still traumatized from living through nazi occupation at a young age... (not trying to diminish your fun, just explaining why it isn't fun for me)

@ExecratedPlaysGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Error898789 Have you sought counseling? It's not healthy to experience vicarious trauma.

@redpilldiogenes4741

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando commando! For action and adventure. TRUE GRIT The front of that book will be ingrained in my memory forever

@Error898789

Жыл бұрын

@@ExecratedPlaysGaming trauma is a big word. And I think it's important to remember war happens to real people. I'm by no means avoiding exposure to wwII history or anything. I just prefer my war media strictly anti-war.

See this is why I play Italian, no one gets angry at the Italians 🤣

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Mmm Italian......

@billywarren007

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando it has been a truly painful experience, but it is hilarious running a tonne of inexperienced green shirkers 🤣

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

@@billywarren007 those sorts of rules make those armies so much fun to play and so infuriating 🤣😭

@billywarren007

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando 100%, as soon as you have a 3 unit deficit, it’s game over, but I’ve got a 1940-41 Army so I just have fun with my L3s and M11/39s regardless

@velentr

Жыл бұрын

Well- people _start out_ very angry at you but they usually warm up to you in the end, eh?

I love the ascetics of the German tanks, I grew up playing the original CoD, and love playing the Axis and Allies board game which is a whole lot of fun. I’ve always had a fascination with the panzer line of tanks and German Naval vessels especially the U-Boat. I’d play the Germans, not the Nazis. Plus someone has to play the bad guy for there to be a game for the good guys to play.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

100% spot on.

@MutsuKazuma

Жыл бұрын

you mean aesthetics, ascetics would be people that barely eat anything

@joecunliffe9552

Жыл бұрын

FYI Axis &allies is now a great multiplayer PC game. I used to play the board game when I was younger too, and discovered the pc game recently

@GCLEM92

Жыл бұрын

@@joecunliffe9552 I had no idea! I’ll have to check that out!

@GCLEM92

Жыл бұрын

@@MutsuKazuma Yes, I didn’t know how to spell it and my phone for once was no help.

I can't believe Guy the notorious Deadbeat Dad complained about Hugo Boss enthusiasts while advertising a game where you play as the Hugo Boss enthusiasts. His diatribe about people who play them are them is goofy as hell. Bro plays 40k lmfao where every single faction is literally worse

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

As a future Tyranid player, I in fact DO, seek to eat everyone’s flesh.

@mitrion301

Жыл бұрын

I am happy to welcome You into the swarm.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Based and hiveminded

I’ll leave aside the fact most Warhammer factions are pretty effed up and ask one question: Can you imagine The Battle of Britain (the 1969 movie) without the Luftwaffe? I imagine it would look pretty silly. A bunch of guys zipping around the sky in Spitfires going “dakadakadaka” at the clouds. Ok there was one scene where that happened but most of the movie had the Sterling Chaps plus some Plucky Poles blatting the Beastly Boche. My point is, somebody obviously had to get dressed up in Hugo Boss outfits and zip around the skies in Messerschmitts humming Die Fahne Hoch. If only to give the decent chaps with pipes, pet spaniels and MG sports cars something to kill and then spin a yarn about over an well-earned pint in the mess. At no point do I imagine, at the end of the day, those pretend-Huns taking off their Nasty costumes, going home, kissing the missus and then spending a couple of hours before supper planning how to invade the Soviet Union or wipe out entire races of people. Playing WWII Germans in Bolt Action is the same.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget the pvc doorframe and doorbell that were not invented for another 20 years 🤣 my parents ALWAYS point those out when we watch that film.

@remittanceman4685

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando I don't think there were many tower blocks in the East End in 1940 either 🙂 Still a great movie though.

Ive never been able to get into historicals purely because i love fantasy so much. I've always preferred Knights, Dragons, Barbarians & Sorcerors over Re enacting history. its purely a preferencial thing though, I have massive respect to the Wargamers who have crazy historical grand scale armies and tables. those are awesome regardless of setting.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

I can see exactly where you are.coming from is why I'm not particularly interested in say ancient battles or Napoleonics. I do like me a good dragon. However check out turnip28 which is a very Terry Gilliam Napoleonic ish heavily grim fantasy game

I took it more as, "You might be seen by some as a little suspicious if you play the Nazis." Instead of, "You are a Nazi if you play the Nazis." And I think Guy is basically correct, there are a lot of people who will look at you sideways in that situation. There are also a lot of people who will not even notice. So, I think it varies depending on your group. Guy is a very liberal fellow, and if my entire group was like that, I might not play the Nazis if I were the new guy that nobody knew. It's quite circumstantial I think, but in certain situations there may be some social stigma attached to it.

@NotMCKarl

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Guy is basically correct that people might see you as a Nazi if you play the Nazis, but those people are retarded and usually aren't into historical wargames. Generally historical wargamers understand things like playing as Germans or Soviets or Japanese.

@Error898789

Жыл бұрын

honestly I took it as even less than that. My grandparents lived through the war and nazi occupation, and they still talk about it regularly. I would have to struggle through a lot of second-hand trauma before I could get myself to go through building and painting a force of historically accurate nazi's, let alone having fun doing it.

@user-ue6iv2rd1n

Жыл бұрын

@@Error898789 Jesus how old are they! Second hand trauma, man up...

@jc7997aj

Жыл бұрын

​@@Error898789 wtf is second hand trauma? Is that more made up leftist BS to keep the perpetually offered occupied ? I can dig you not playing them by your grandparents experiences and thats fine. You have an honest reason to not care for the idea. But why on God's earth would you assume that someone playing them is the worst example of humanity without knowing anything else. As far as the game is concerned and thats all we are talking about a person might like the ascetics, game mechanics or might just be a troll and looking to get a rise outta someone. I just can't imagine the fragile mental states a person has, to let something like this bother them. This is purely the actions of feminized men. Instead of being in control of their emotions and actions you let emotion rule and control you. Just sad man.

@deusmortis9751

Жыл бұрын

Suspicious of what? Of being a nazi

You play Germany for Weapons and Armour. I play them for the pretty camos

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Mmm oakleaf and splinter B

@CadiasFinest

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando Dunkelgelb

@PlanetTrendy

Жыл бұрын

Feldgrau underrated fr

@tiny_worlds

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I have an SS army because they have the coolest camo and who doesn't love playing as the "big baddies" every now and then? I also have an Indian north Africa force and French partisans... weirdly nobody ever questions my politics when playing those armies.

I think players investing into the "politics" of their faction is actually good for wargaming. Theres nothing better than an ork player going WAHGGGGG or my buddy doing a german accent.

Man if the army represents the player, then as a Marine Malevolent player...

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

I'd be a lamenter player 😭

I got the Band of Brother set back in 2017 & expanded both the US airborne ( 101st Screaming Eagles) and the Panzer Grenadiers ( Grossdeutschland Div) into armies around a 2000pt each. I like both & both have different play styles. Thank you for taking the time to counter what I believe is an unfair & full of assumptions video by Midwinter Minis.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact my Dad bought the band of brothers dvd box set when it came out and threatend me with a stick if I dared touch it 😂

Completely true , someone has to be the bad guy. If you don’t want to be the bad guys or even the worst guys , maybe war games aren’t for you as you can’t separate a game with reality. You don’t need to play the bad guys but then again you need to accept maybe someone will.

"We Care Not What *_COLOR_* The Cat Is......Only That He Catches Mice." ~ Famous Cømmunist "Fåçi§t" saying

I can’t be racist guys, some of my best armies are black!

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I knew some one would say it. 😂

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

I mean I have some red tails for my planes historical game, do I win?

I reenacting and play the bad guys in every setting Except warhammer fantasy because I refuse to think badly about my dwarfs

it was ironic that he was sponsored by world of warships, a game he said he plays, but is against playing as "the bad guys" but yeah that comment at the end is very uncalled for

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Bismarck by sabaton is a banger of a tune pity that listening to it means Im a.facist 😂

@PictishMiniPainting

Жыл бұрын

I also noted in the WoW advert he had a kreigsmarine flag next to his username....just saying...

MWM is ok with playing the nazis if hes payed

Probably one of the best endings to any video on KZread 😂 The irony

That comment you made is true though, and his channel has been hollow since. Really disgusting behavior from him.

@anneperchard3477

Жыл бұрын

Actually the comment is entirely untrue and actually libelous.. I hope he sues.

@brim-skerdouglasson

Жыл бұрын

@@anneperchard3477 if you read into the situation, it seems like Guy is a real piece of shit who walked out on his two kids to have an affair with a different woman and was very difficult in paying his wife what she was owed from the channels success. A mother of twins under a year old isn’t going to divorce their partner just because things “aren’t working out”

Good taste. I also am putting together an Afrika Korps army for Bolt Action.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Send me pics when you are done 👍

Love the Africa Korps army. I really have to start mine at some point.

As someone who is not into ww2 historical games it strikes me as a bit idiotic that the german army players always get called nazis but hey its completly fine to play the japanese or soviets because we all know that those groups didnt do anything wrong during the war. Also as a german myself I really hate how guy didnt understand that the nazi party and Wehrmacht werent the same thing. You could be pressed into service in the Wehrmacht without beeing a member of the nazi party, in fact many people werent. I am not trying to justify the actions of the Wehrmacht but it always bugs me when people dont understand the difference.

I have been playing Flames of War for at least 10 years. I have Germs and Brits. i can field either to play a game with someone. I put so much work into my Germs. from the paratroopers, to airforce marines "a more blueish grey colour uniforms" and etc.

Some people should just think a bit less. For their own Good. The Poeple who lived in those time are the ones who made those Games popular in the first Place.

Hobby drama is always goofy.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

I am a certified goofy goober

Red pieces in chess were the bad guys and were banned fast by the community 😅

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

It was the 3x the amount of pawns and the back line filled.with NKVD machine gun teams that people.objected.to

@squigdwarf

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando 🤣🤣

Need to remember that Guy is left leaning and from the south of England so it's easy to see why he may think like this.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

And I'm a dirty centrist also from the south of England 😂

@dilbob454

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando Hey being a centrist is based no matter what others say.

@jamiehall814

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I'm left leaning, from the south and I still think that there's nothing wrong with playing (and did at one point) Germany in bolt action (or FoW) 😂

@anneperchard3477

Жыл бұрын

He's not from the South of England he is from Jersey, the Jersey which is part of the Channel Islands, the only part of the British Isles that was occupied throughout the second World War and undefended by the British. Residents were dragged off to concentration camps and those left behind suffered horrendous deprivations. The Islands are still full of bunkers and gun emplacements left behind by the Germans and memorials to our dead and the dead of the Polish and Russian prisoners of war so I think Guy is very aware of his family history.

Screw it, I'm starting a Japanese army in Bolt Action.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

*shudders* I used to play against mrleesminis Japanese and they were brutal just a swarm of bambo spears with AT mines snuck in

@arnantphongsatha7906

Жыл бұрын

​@@BreakfastwithBando Instructions unclear, end up with a Soviet army and a Jap army...both equipped for Konflikt 47 as well.

Germans had cool tanks and designer uniforms. Fight me.

@AA-pg7xe

Жыл бұрын

Nothing will ever be cooler than the mg42. Hell, they still use it under the MG3 modernised platform. Doesn't make fans want to apply for German citizenship IRL tho lol

The amount of ways you got around saying Yahtzee is hilarious

@BreakfastwithBando

4 ай бұрын

the censorship of the glorious leader (YT) means we need to be quick :D

As a fervent Anti-facist who thinks anyone who believes in that ideology seriously should suffer, an “accident” in minecraft. I always play the Axis and germany when i play games like HOI4 or Enlisted/War thunder. because their look is amazing, there is just a strange beauty and elegance in the german uniform not shared along the allies.

Then there’s me: Panzers look cool so I’m gonna bring Panzers

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

I didn't choose the stug life the stug life chose me.

Hahahaha the end was golden 😂

Historical wargames require more work to get into from doing basic research. It is a good thing, keeps hobby tourists to a minimum.

Late to the party! I am a follower of MWM, and even I found that video a bit ... odd. But it's not the first time I've come accross this trend (generally, rather than MWM specifically) that seems to be doing the rounds of trying to distance oneself from any one or any group in history or fiction that did a bad thing. Even with 40k, there are folks who get right uppity that you like 40k because "40k is an awful place full of bigotry and nastiness, and you like it, so you must be that kind of person!". Nonsense! I can't help draw a parallel to H.P. Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos and the folks who pop up every so often to compain about him. By modern standards he held some very problematic views, however I can enjoy the world and setting he created while not following his particular beliefs!

Can I ask what your paint recipe is for the Deutsche Afrika Korps please. Its unique and well done.

@BreakfastwithBando

11 ай бұрын

Iraqi sand and German dark green from Vallejo :)

Responding to 3:52 min mark. I would not refuse to play him. I do not agree with him, however playing him and finding out why he might think a certain way would be insightfule and we could have intresting descusions and disagreements while playing a friendly match. The othering of people forces them to remain in there bubbel that never gets challanged thus re-enforcing there ideas and arguments. So I will play a Friendly game with a lot of ''intresting'' Political characters to learn, descuss and ultimatly on the tabeltop have fun. Life is nuance and a game is a game is a table top game.

Every time this conversation comes out the two that are engaged just kinda talk past eachother rather than respond to what the other says. You tell the guy to play a different game and he literally does. Mans literally makes a video to ask people how people how they get past a mental roadblock he has and you spent a huge part of the video ignoring him. Guy pretty much says "i have an issue seeing both sides when I've is unequivocally evil" and you respond with "well there are two sides!" Like that's not the very same thing that he already addressed. I don't think either of you are wrong here. If he has a problem with this style of game than he has that problem with it and yes, he should just play something else. I understand why you wouldn't be comfortable playing a game arround this time period. I also understand that some people don't pay 40k because they don't like any of the factions because they're all terrible. No one is "wrong" to have that feeling. And you're also right that yeah if you don't feel comfortable playing the game than don't. You're just the one who decided to be a fucking child about it and attack him personally cause your feelings got hurt in a video that has nothing to do with you personally.

@vincemincevince

Жыл бұрын

i don’t think this is attacking mwm personally. from what i got from this video is some one shouldn’t made to feel guilty about playing the germans in a ww2 table top game. it’s a historical game based off of history. thats like saying some one shouldn’t write a phd thesis on hitler as they would be considered a nazi sympathiser.

@skrathos337

Жыл бұрын

@@vincemincevince The very end of the video attacks him personally.

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

Maybe don't be a deadbeat dad. People who judge from glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

@bruhbruh4329

Жыл бұрын

@@skrathos337 Good, he's a personal failure trying to pass judgement on others for made up reasons in his head, he DESERVES to be personally mocked and belittled.

@skrathos337

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh4329 I unsubbed because I didn't know about how he treated Penny and their twins, but equally, in his video he didn't actually pass any judgement on people if they want to play the Nazi's he just explored why people might find it uncomfortable. As much as I don't like the guy or want to support him anymore, I also don't particularly like people falsifying other reasons to "cancel" him. He has done enough actual bad shit it seems. We don't need to make up stuff.

it was such a bad take and was nothing but him and his adultress virtue signalling. I won't let idiots like that moralize to me about absolute rubbish when all I did was paint some models lol. I couldn't even face watching him again after that, I tried and just thought he was pathetic.

I think Midwinter was overthinking it honestly. It's really not that deep.

@maximmg3708

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Bolt Action is just a more niche, and less fun game for most.

@bouncycowgirl

Жыл бұрын

@@maximmg3708 It did make me kind of interested. I might get a Soviet Army. It is good to choose your nation first when collecting these things.

I'm getting deja vu from when extra credits did a similar thing for Battlefront 5

@aidanquiett668

Жыл бұрын

It isnt nearly that stupid, but yeah. At least he doesnt claim the game companies are forcing it onto you like they did

@Jes2104

Жыл бұрын

Guy was having a chat while painting a tank, extra credits called you a bad person. pretty fuckin different

@catcadev

Жыл бұрын

I think that's a big difference. He explained some really good points and I believe he's right on downright all of them.

@redpilldiogenes4741

Жыл бұрын

@@Jes2104 bro you can feel him looking into camera from the other side of it. Every time he makes a point. Dont you feel yucky? Dont think its mean? Pause for the ww2 video game that sponsored the video. Don’t you think its disrespectful to those who unalived? (This account names a joke im usually just trolling) Left wing right wing It doesn’t matter, if you spend too much time on the internet Your language gives you away. And i know exactly what guy is trying to do thats why im pissed off

Bolt action minis look nice but historicals are not for me and I think thats just the reality of why its "less popular", historicals are just straight up a niche (and now a niche of a niche?), always have been I do longingly look at konflikt 47 tho, just I wish I could get over metal and resin sculpts The german power armour looks straight out of old fallout and its rad

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Just got to find a era and manufacturer you like

@arnantphongsatha7906

Жыл бұрын

Do take that plunge. Konflikt 47 is awesome.

Literal first world problems. Some people in the current generation seem to have this bizarre need to find monsters where none exist and they end up insulting people who do not even disagree with them in real life political issues... But have done the awful crime of choosing to wield an army that likes uniforms designed by Hugo Boss. In a Wargame there needs to be some sort of reason why the two sides engage in battle so someone has to play the bad guy. Also 40k for instance in such an absurdly brutal universe and the wars fought in that universe are so horrible at times that real world "Yatzees" would be seen as pussies by everyone involved except the Tau.

Every now and then someone with no understanding of .. humanity .. demands historical censorship of *insert medium here*.

Dickwinter minis.

I have family shot my the army for participating in a labour strike. My parents spent their entire lives of the latter half of the last century fearing a Soviet invasion. I have Russian and Swedish ancestry from the Napoleonic Wars. I am going to buy Swedish AND Soviet armies for Team Yankee. That is my background as to how I relate myself to historical events. I made a post on his video as well when I saw it, and I was seriously disappointed. It was an out of touch video to make, and it reeked of being utterly devoid of thought and planning - he made grand sweeping assumptions and rationalizations about a topic he admitted to having no experience with - and he turned the fact that people play historically less palpable factions into "a problem" when it is not. The only people that turn it into a problem are ignorant people like him that point fingers and make shit up without even ASKING the person why they do what they do.

I know multiple people with extreme politics who wargame and they unironically don't gravitate toward their respective politics in miniature, almost like it's a fun past time. My local Flames of War groups are all ex US military guys collecting retirement checks, not nascent nazis. Germans and Soviets are the most popular factions in Warthunder, and the amount of National Socialists amongst a massive Chinese and Russian player base is probably like 5 guys max.

I don’t like historicals for the same reason I don’t like Warhammer 30k (the Horus Heresy), as it’s basically Warhammer’s historical game because it’s already happened. I’d be interested in alternate history (not mechs) modern warfare/post modern warfare wargames. I want to play US Marines and French Foreign Legion fighting against Russians and Chinese with Cobra attack helicopters throwing hands against Russian tanks and shit.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Don't we all.

@libertyprime2013

Жыл бұрын

You might like the Yankee game which is an alternate Cold War goes hot.

I saw the whole MW video, and I don't feel they they complained about it at all, And I really liked Guys video :D made me want to paint some bolt action.

@redpilldiogenes4741

Жыл бұрын

Oh no they did. I still don’t understand why they didn’t just make a bolt action video. Why did they have to poopoo it i have no idea

@alexrobertson557

Жыл бұрын

@@redpilldiogenes4741 the entire thing felt dirty to be honest. Didnt expect that sorta shit from him totally out of nowhere calling people nazis for collecting toy soldiers.

@willdarby9660

Жыл бұрын

@@alexrobertson557 I don't believe he ever called people that collect German vehicles or soldiers Nazi's at any point. I think he pointed out a potential issue people 'might' have with the wargame and discussed it openly leaving the conclusion for the viewer to make individually.

@alexrobertson557

Жыл бұрын

@@willdarby9660 You are welcome to believe whatever you want.

@redpilldiogenes4741

Жыл бұрын

@@willdarby9660 he doesn’t outright say it but watch it again. You can see what he’s trying to get across.

It's fun pretending to be the bad guys, just like how some certain people genuinely believe they are good people.

Damn this video makes me wanna work on my bolt action waffle$$ army

Common sense and clear thinking prevails! I was pretty annoyed with MWM video myself. It is just a game. He shouldn’t shame others for simply enjoying the miniature war gaming hobby in their own way. Just subscribed. Keep it coming!

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great comment and for subbing

OMG did he really say that 😂😂😂. Bro the Bolt Action minis from said army are lovely to paint

The usa dropped 2 nukes on 2 citys but still I'm playing the good guys right?

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

See that is my point. War has no "good guys" but also yes. Yes you are 😅

@leohernandez7455

Жыл бұрын

​@BreakfastwithBando did the US drop those nukes to systematically genocide groups of people?

Just from the thumbnail I knew the angle MWM would go with his video. I find it ironic of him to bash historic wargamers when his channel/ livelihood is based on making videos about painting 40k space faciscts or racist fantasy orcs..... for a community that has its own issues with sexism and xenophobia.

My family was killed by the Germans in the Soviet Union because they were Jewish and I still play Axis armies in Bolt Action. MidWinter Minis can deal with it.

Was the word "Nazi" too upsetting? I think that you totally failed to grasp military wargaming. We don't say "Who wants to be the Allies and who wants to be the Nazis?" It is Allies versus Germans. It was compulsory to be a member of the National Socialists -even as a teen. The German army were NOT known as "The Nazis" but the Wehrmacht. So the whole "high anxiety" over this question is silly. Armies battle armies on various levels and after 50 years I have never once heard the phrase "I'll be the Nazis". Stick to model building and painting and leave the fictional wargaming angst out of things I do enjoy the channel!

I love the North Africa army, I thought it was painted very well.

Ironically there's more bigotry on-line from the Warhammer 40K crowd than any historical gamer I've interacted with.

@rutgaurxi7314

Жыл бұрын

It only ever seems to be aimed at the Warhammer community, moar like. By and large, I'd say it is would depend on individual experience.

@libertyprime2013

Жыл бұрын

F*** the Eldar. Those pointy eared bastards…

I love Guy’s channel but it was probably the worst video I’ve seen recently from the big miniatures KZreadrs. As somebody who loves war history and history just in general, I stopped watching it half way through. The entire video was a huge virtue signal. The tiptoeing around history from today’s content creators is annoying, and flinging around the word fascist, extremist, or Nazi like they’re buzzwords is not only disingenuous to what it is to be any of those things, but waters down what should be a very serious accusation. It’s a bit rubbish imo. Would it be at all possible to consider that Games Workshop has oversaturated the market to such an absurd degree that we are paying 60 dollars for 10 plastic dudes? Or are we gonna stick with the whole Nazi thing being the reason why historical games are not as popular? Lol, such a strange video.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

GWs market dominance is undeniable. Especially when you look at the cost of warlord plastics (about £30 for 30 men)

@rutgaurxi7314

Жыл бұрын

Could be worse, he could be Goobertown... Now there's a story, a horror story.

@FOB777

Жыл бұрын

@@rutgaurxi7314 lol oh boy. What’s wrong with Goober?

I think he will have a fit when he finds out scale modeling exsists

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

If anyone goes after night shift 😂

I play chaos and tyranids in warhammer. evil is my jam lol

That's a nice looking DAK force! I also play both US and Germans, though mostly for K47. Of course you are correct in your assessment of the MWM video. It was not the first time I've heard this stupid and decitful rhetoric from hobby poseurs, but the combination of cluelessness and hypocrisy, complete with the World of Warships sponsorship, was particularly infuriating. The fact is that people who try to moralize about wargaming aren't actually interested in wargaming and are working to destroy the hobby. And for the record, I think you are totally right to respond to his empty virtue signalling with a reminder of his adultery and child abandonment, which he is obviously unashamed of since he features his mistress in every video. I've heard only exaggerated hearsay about the event in Spain, but if the dude was a Francoist I couldn't care less, particularly when the organizers surely wouldn't have had any objections if he was dressed as a communist Popular Front nun-raper.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

I just can't get one with k47 I just don't like the aesthetic of the minis, and I'm not the biggest fan of "weird war" I wish they had simply done it as the war continued I to 47 which incidentally is the exact theme of my book 🤣

@attentionspanlabs

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando I agree that the minis, particularly the mech designs, are hit and miss. I like the American ones but I hate spade-foot mechs and that's most of what every other faction has is spade-footed. I'm prefer a mix of supernatural and super-science in my weird war and K47 unfortunately chose to go only with the latter, but it's easy enough to fudge in. Where can I find out more about your book? I am also an alternate history author, though my preference is more for the fantastic than strictly plausible.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your reply 😀 my books not quite ready for publishing at the moment but the basic premise is cold war started early.

LOL THAT COMMENT AT THE END

Bravo!

I love the U.S in WW2 RTS games so maybe I'll buy em for bolt action

I kinda feel like Guy just did this for clicks. If he really just wanted to paint up some Bolt Action minis without the moralistic scoop then he would have just gone ahead. Sure you would have some detractors in the comments but I can't see how that would have been the mainstay discussion. It was kind of like his weird "calling out" Henry Cavill video. He knew full well nothing would come of it but it makes for a thumbnail/video title that people will click on. I like a lot of the dudes painting tutorials and I really don't care what he gets up to in his personal life as it's literally none of my business but yeah... some of the uploads do showcase some uncomfortably manipulative clickbaiting and general lack of awareness.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Well that makes two of us 😂 you know I never could put my finger on it but I felt the same about that Henry cavil vid too and you've nailed it. I won't throw shade at his painting ability either both he and hatty are very good painters no doubts. But as a creator you kinda have to be a bit "drama" for example this video has 4.times the traffic as my average video and sadly that's kinda important if you are trying to build a following. (Not that I'm supporting being a clickbaity drama whore )

Great points and great video. I am big fan of guy but yeah last video was dumb and yeah the burn at the end bro

Thank you for covering this mate!

Something that was never an issue is suddenly an issue when algorithms based on engagement start forcing unpopular takes on social media oh my. Historical wargaming has always been niche, grass roots movements. Its people getting rules, and growing their own scenes, which takes time, money, and dedication, unlike mainstream pick up and play games like WH40k. Chain of Command is one of my favorite historicals, its unpopular because its not mainstream, not because it has oh no, the russians and germans.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

My local club has moved to CoC over BA and I've not played it yet. Maybe one day.

@chrisbicepnredfield7307

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando It is definitely a different game. I love the pre-game game of setting jump-off points, and the skirmishy nature, but its missing some better balance. But if you are playing CoC in the first place its mostly about having beer with friends more than competitive integrity lol.

I play the bad guys, always. Always. Look at me, a-l-w-a-y-s. Its a wargame, I don't want peace, I want problems and as you might guess I want them ALWAYS. Moustache man's art had merit. Fight me. Seriously, Freaking FIGHT ME.

@BreakfastwithBando

8 ай бұрын

Are you a pizza cutter? All edge and no point.

I'm not sure the video was that much moaning man, it kind of just seemed like a "here is why I struggle to play this"

17:23 the Black Brigade! Very nice

This is the reason GW stopped emphasizing Krieg, people got really weird about RPing their real life analogues. Growing up in a rural area I saw a ton of people who romanticized the germans and such as actually the good guys and that you cant believe what they tell you etc. When I was young I thought I was super smart because I parroted this stuff and everyone told me I was brilliant beyond my years. Eventually I realized that if I was contrarian about everything I was just being shitty to people for no reason and ignoring basic reality to make myself feel smart. Heck I had a friend who went to the Halloween costume contest as an SS officer, the guy never shook that same mentality and always things hes the most brilliant person around, feel bad for him because outside of his obvious negative biases hes a nice guy who always seems to be down on his luck. Now its ways fine to play the bad guys because they look cool and understand exactly why you do but it's different to do it because you sympathize with the bad guys and are just completely not self aware or considerate of anyone around you.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

That's cool we once had a prince who wore the same costume to a party too 😅

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

im also pretty sure this is a similar story to why we never got a krieg level release for the tallarn. As they started doing them JUST as 9/11 happened.

@michaelsebi

Жыл бұрын

Except Krieg are not just space Germans. Look at the standard Korpsman. Much more ressemblance to a French poilu ! Although to be fair, I get asked many times during cons if I’m cosplaying Wolfenstein despite my horizon blue greatcoat so I guess many people don’t go further than « gas mask and long coat ? Must be a Nazi. »

Did... did you watch the Midwinter video? At no point in that video does he say that "If you play the Nazis in Bolt Action, you're a Nazi sympathizer." Yes, he does say that it's possible that people who play the Germans might share an ideology with the Nazi party, but he also says that they might just be history buffs who are interested in the German perspective on the war or that they're power gamers looking to take advantage of strong rules (I don't play Bolt Action so I can't speak to whether or not the Axis have stronger rules than the Allies, but still). The video was primarily Guy and Hattie talking about how featuring the Nazis as a playable faction in the game might make some people hesitant to play the game and how that might impact the broader appeal of Bolt Action compared to something like Warhammer. How people are getting "German players are all Nazi sympathists" out of that video is confusing to me. With all of that said, none of it matters because you showed your true colors at the end when you made an attack on Guy's personal life. Utterly shameful, man. Grow up.

@adamwood3220

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with this comment.

@MedicMarc22

Жыл бұрын

cope and seeth

@yagsipcc287

Жыл бұрын

Guy is a clown on his best days. His comments were idiotic, I guess alot of people who play as Romans in historical games want to rule half the world and enslave everyone right?? Hhmmm I would bet guy has a huge affinity with the Roman's as do alot of British people. Also calling him shameless is a joke! Guy is shameless cheats on his pregnant wife and in real life is an Ahole who virtue signals when he can 🤣

Truly another one of the Anglo posts of all time

I love how someone coming out as a Communist is not even worth a batting of the eye. Say you are a Nationalist or a Fascist and people lose their shid. Commies killed something like 50Million people at least and supporting them does not get you kicked out of a gaming tourney. I get tired of playing against German players mostly because of the power creep. Just get tired of facing Big cats on every battle.

@tenletters5889

Жыл бұрын

Btw that number is bs, even counted dead nazis

@tiny_worlds

Жыл бұрын

The big cats in Bolt Action are crap outside of big tank war games. A complete trap. Play the scenario and just ignore them.

want to point out the Dude at the spain tournament in hindsight was *VERY* clearly Trolling. he very deliberately wanted to poke the bear. And he got what he wanted and more funnily enough. Funny how a dude obviously trying to stir the pot is the only thing close to a Fascist ive seen in Wargaming.

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

Even if it was trolling it was pretty cringe.

@tacky4237

Жыл бұрын

@@noblegalifreyan4551 It would be embarresing either way, like showing up as a Red Comissar hammer and sickle badges and all to a tourney.

@noblegalifreyan4551

Жыл бұрын

@@tacky4237 showing up to a tournament in any controversial clothes to get attention is cringe.

@tacky4237

Жыл бұрын

@@noblegalifreyan4551 agreed

The Perry Twins also sculpted all of the 2nd edition Tyranids, except the carnifex. Also, curious to know how you got the info in your finale comment?

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

And with only 3 arms between the two of them!

@boku5192

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando yes, where have you heard this? I'm confused

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

@@boku5192 back in 96 Michael Perry lost his right forearm but like a total madlad he just went and relearned how to Sculpt with his left hand and had a tool that let him hold the minis

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

@@boku5192 or (I'm an idiot 🤣) did you mean the mwm info? That was posted on Reddit when penny left and she ended up telling it all. If you Google "midwinter minis cheated" you can find the Reddit thread pretty easily.

@JasonM69

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando thanks for the info on both situations. That's crazy about his arm!

good one

Your africa corp looks great

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Thanks I've been wanting to update them for a while

People don't play WWII stuff because it almost has an even nerdier image than Warhammer. As in, like.. WWII wargames are the old boomer wargames. The image people get of folks that play Flames of War or Bolt Action is the stereotypical 1st Airborne reenactor; a fat guy with aviators, a 1911, and a bomber jacket on the back of a Jeep. It's not because they don't wanna play the Germans. If you like WWII stuff enough to get into Bolt Action or whatever, you're not usually whining about the baddies unless they're broken.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Luftwaffles intensifies

Definitely not a fan of MWM's video, I think it's insulting in what he is implying and tone deaf. Sometimes people just like to play the bad guys. I don't play bolt action, but the guys I've known who do play it seem to not have a national socialists LARPer problem. But I've played Steel Division:Normandy '44, Steel Division 2, I've played the Wargame series and I've had no problem what so ever playing the "bad guys". They're just a division or a battlegroup I play to have fun with and that's how it is with most people who play this kind of stuff. It's a game, it's not taken too seriously, the game is called 'Bolt Action', not 'Auschwitz Simulator'. I don't understand how someone could play a wargame at all and make the decision that one violence is acceptable while another is not. If I play Orkz that doesn't mean I'm an advocate for slavery or killing people because it's funny, doesn't mean I'm a facist if I play IG or a p*dophile if I play Dark Eldar. But according to MWM's standards, this is what it means. Now I have a deep respect for people who shun violence in all it's forms, even in fictional depictions for purposes of recreation, but don't go ahead and shame people who play or collect one army because it hurts your feelings, like wtf are you doing starting an army of child soldiers?

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

So I was thinking of trying to do a child soldier army for 30ks militia rules but you know what for some reason there are ZERO child soldier minis out there. How am I supposed to express my creative vision with all this suppression 😂 (ps for the outrage types this is a joke)

@kurthasedd7923

Жыл бұрын

@@BreakfastwithBando lol, I'm sure you could yoink some 3rd party minis of Oliver Twist with a lasgun if you were that committed, but I reference the GW space marine poster boys who are generally recruited and brought into marine hood between 8 and 18 years old. I think there's an Imperial Fists character in the siege of terra who's like 14

Nice video! MWM's vid reeked of concern trolling to me, softly implying that historical wargames have an issue with fascist players but under the guise of "just asking questions" despite clearly having done no research on the topic and casting some pretty wide dispersions. I think your comment at the end is entirely fair, it's not as if he wasn't public about his relationship or break up, if he's comfortable being public with it to illicit sympathy from his fanbase then he should be comfortable with it being used to criticize him. It goes both ways and stops being part of your private life when you choose to be public about it.

@chriswilson6486

Жыл бұрын

That's what he does. Just like his video where he is just sooo concerned about how GW treats their employees.

Spot on bud

And its funnier coming from a GW simp. The atmosphere and maturity of the historical community is leagues above MOST 40k hobby spaces...😂

The whole vid became a bit stale in the middle, but the end was gr8. Subbed. Cheers.

@BreakfastwithBando

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I did feel like I was retreading ground but man editing audio is boring AF

It is the height of arrogance to attribute personal belief to the toy soldiers we place on the table, all of the commentators on Mid Winter Minis and rebuttal videos neatly skirted around the other elephant in the room, what about the people who play the American Civil War like I do (Warlord Epic Battles) I play the South so am I by the tiny soldiers I put down a wannabe South’n Gentleman plantation owner of dubious moral social and civil consciousness? No I am just not a fan of painting blue, and brown lends its self to many variations.

I demand more salt

95% of the people playing the Bad Guys are normal everyday people. Which means there's about 4% more Bad Guys playing than any other faction. Id like to say nobody plays the Bad Guys out of solidarity, but sadly there is that tiny minority that proves the rule.

@ExecratedPlaysGaming

Жыл бұрын

Can you name a single one? Or is it more of, "I heard a story one time about how one guy came to a tournament in full Nazi regalia?" I already know it's the latter. How do I know that? Because people with such extreme views represent such a tiny percentage of the population that they can't be accurately measured, thus the likelihood that you'd encounter one of them in a hobby enjoyed by a tiny fraction of the population is infinitesimal. What you do encounter is normal people making jokes, which the hyper sensitive progressives invading the hobby will often take offense at because they exist to be miserable and believe in oppression.

@thecactusman17

Жыл бұрын

@@ExecratedPlaysGaming sadly I can name 1.