thank you for such a detailed review on these.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

No problem and thanks for the good words.

Thank you so much for the in depth review. I've taken the plunge into the step-on generation after my old Snakeskin Ions final stopped letting me Gorilla glue the toe back on. I appreciate the time you've taken to do this review for mortals

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and hope they work for you.

Interesting review and glad to be able to engage (unlike your previous videos with comments off). I have the Burton SO system. The original version with Ion boots. I have also tried the Clew bindings as given a long term demo and the original flow bindings to compare (I'm guessing the predecessor to the nidecker bindings). Personally I like the Burton set up as did another friend of mine but has flow bindings and prefers them, though the issue with flow is that you need to tweek then for your boot etc which can take up a bit of time. My other friend preferred the Clew binding as he is a very aggressive carver but I hated them with a passion because...the rubber on the sole of the release part is very hard so up a poma or icy conditions they slide away. This is something I have never experienced with my step on boots. The riding experience on the Clew wasn't at all bad but just felt like a very old binding from the 90s or earlier that is heavy and not dynamic at all! There is no flex in them and coming from the likes of Salomon Shadowfit or the Burton Cartels they just feel dated! There is a video on my channel riding them side by side. But every opinion/review is subjective as what's for me and my style of riding might not be for everyone.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to write your take and share others. Comments should now be on for every review we have up. In depth Supramatic and Clew review coming. I agree about the feel/flex underfoot with Clew and to a similar extent the Supramatic. That will be addressed in depth in those reviews as well.

Bought this for my 9 year old daughter, and my 6 year old daughter loves it too. Great purchase!

@thegoodridesnow

10 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Great detailed comparison, thank you! Makes me really comforted that my prior decision of the Genesis bindings with the Photon boots was the right choice! :)

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and glad I could help.

Still have a set of Switch step in boots and bindings... nice review on the new stuff!

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Best review out there. The step on system is incredible.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video, I bought the new Step-On bindings reflex, i have not been able to find the genesis in size small. So hopefully I will be happy!

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You have Step on Boots as well right?

@lordcomas

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow yes I do. Thanks for checking. Hehe! I really wanted the genesis, but they are not even available on Burton website. I bought the Ruler model because that was the only one available, but this week i also ordered the Swath model. I will compare comfort and return the ones I like the last. What do you think of the DC Judge Step On boots models?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Sorry! misunderstood. Hope those boots work for you. I haven't tried the Judge Step On's so hard to say. It's been a while since I tried the Judges too but liked the regular model well enough. It all comes down to fit and feel.

Great review as always. The best set up imo is Mine77 EST step on with self-upgraded 2nd gen toe hooks + Step on Ion. The responsiveness and the board feel are unparalleled. The only thing is I had to sacrifice another pair of Step Ons and move the 2nd fen toe hooks to the Mine77 EST step on since they only came with the 1st gen toe hooks.

@prodish

Жыл бұрын

It would be great If it would be possible to get 2.0 hooks somehow

@jayc3723

Жыл бұрын

@@prodish I was told Official Burton shops have them 😆

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and thanks for sharing your take.

@prodish

Жыл бұрын

@@jayc3723 Do You know if they have them as Spare Parts for warranty exchange or as Spare Parts that they can sell (even not officially ;) )

@jayc3723

Жыл бұрын

@@prodish No they don't. All Step on repairs have to be done by the shop. And they don't sell the parts. I wis they do too.

As always, this review took the deep dive that so many reviewers just don’t do. It definitely helped me in going with the genesis stepons/first stepons, and the ions (but considering photons). However, I’ve noticed after clicking twice in the heel, the give of the cushion from the base of binding, the cleat has give / gap when I go from heel to toe. I can feel the click from the gap. Is this something you’ve noticed with the 2023 or even previous models? Ive seen some KZreadrs and Reddit takes on it, but I value the Good Ride’s perspective.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Are you feeling this while testing on snow/riding or just in the house? On snow I didn't feel anything as described when riding these with my Photon Step On.

Great video, perfect level of detail! I just bought the Genesis bindings, will receive the Photon Soft boots next week… have you managed to get some testing on the Photon Soft boots? Thanks for all the great reviews!

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks! Not yet but hope to soon

I have the StepOns EST / Photons from a few years back and found them too responsive. They've been on the shelf and I might look into the W23 Genesis since they are softer.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Yes that might be better. The newer Photon's feel softer/less responsive too vs. the ones I think you have.

I bet you could add some kind of foam absorber or something Custom to the boots

Can you please do a review on Nidecker and Clew bindings separately? Would love to know more about them 🙂

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Its coming next

For me, the Nidecker has a ton of moving parts (which obviously makes them heavier as well) which make me think they will have issues with longevity. Are the Burton Step On boots considerably heavier than other boots?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your take. No the Step On boots are almost comparable to the regular Burton boots. You can read more about that in the actual Burton Step On Boot and Binding Reviews on the site.

So would the regular step on binding be in between the X and the Genesis? Looking for decent response as a rider , like to charge and carve on groomers hard pack for the most part while also playing around here and there. (No park)

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Yes it would be. However all 3 Step On Bindings are massively more responsive than most strap in bindings out there so you get upper tier response from all 3 bindings. If you play around go Genesis Step On.

Can you explain how there is less adjustability in them? I understand the lack of having a strap you can tighten but can't you just loosen your boot a little. Also how is the mounting on none burton boards with the plates on them. Every video I have seen is step ons mounted on burton channels. Can you not adjust the angle they are mounted at on non-channel boards? (I haven't bought gear since 2013 so I'm a little out of touch with this stuff) Thanks for the videos! They are also very informative.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

It's hard getting back into it with all this new tech and thanks for the good words. So if you click through the links to the reviews on the site and read what I wrote about adjustability it should break it down for you. The quick and dirty. Limited high back rotation. It isn't easy to center the boot in the binding and therefore the board. Outside of the channel system there is no stance width adjustabiltiy. You can't slide the bindings tip to tail. Also, check the Burton Genesis Step On Review thegoodride.com/snowboard-binding-reviews/burton-genesis-step-on-2023-snowboard-binding-review/ and the Burton Step On X review. thegoodride.com/snowboard-binding-reviews/burton-step-on-x-binding-2021-review/

@devdev-re8yp

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Awesome! Thanks for the info.

Went and tried on the store. I noticed that when the boot was in the binding, I had a little play between the boot and the binding. So far that I could feel the gap when moving the boot from heel to toe. Not that I felt the boot was going to go out but rather that there was a gap on the hold. Found it annoying and turn off, but wonder if the binding needed an adjustment that the store was not able to tell me. Is this something you noticed or was the particular binding I tried.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

I did not notice this with my testing this year on the Step On or Genesis Step On with Photon Step On boots. There are 2 clicks in. 1 for if you have snow on your foot bed and another for no snow. If you step 2 clicks in (takes a little more effort) there is zero play. It might be possible that you only stepped one click in.

@pedromassabie3600

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Think has to do with the boot’s size and the binding. Went back to the store and inspected the bindings closely. Same boots different sizes, the rear binding’s “gear” sits different, it is spring loaded to clip on the boot and depending on that there is a little wiggle room for the spring. Noticed that a different size didn’t have the wiggle but my size did. Same boot And bindings model just different sizes. I don’t think will make a difference on the ride but knowing it is there would drive me crazy.

@pedromassabie3600

Жыл бұрын

But on a second thought I don't recall feeling two clicks when locking on the bindings. Probably needs more pressure than what I did. Wondering if I should go -again- to the store...

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

I would go in again and give it a try. You will get play if you only click down once without snow build up on the foot bed. I don't think it should vary from size to size.

@hoboman1206

Жыл бұрын

I'm two clicks in and I have heel play. currently waiting on burton to email me back

Holy shit this was exactly what I was looking for! Nice work :) By the way you introduced me to the Yes line of snowboards and the Yes Basic was the best snowboard I ever rode! This season I got the Yes Basic Uninc and I am stoked! It is just my third season though. Should I have gotten the Typo instead?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks and glad you liked the Basic. Oh no you did the right thing going to the Basic Uninc if it is sized right. Way better all around ride vs. the Typo.

@y.shrestha6936

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Thanks! What do you think about Yes Basic Uninc vs Yes Greats Uninc?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Two very different boards. If you want to only ride centered and switch alot go Greats. If you want a twin/great centered mountain freestyle ride you can set back pretty far in powder Basic Uninc.

@y.shrestha6936

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Sounds like Basic Uninc is more versatile of the two. Should I get both or get the Greats + a powder specific board? I am an intermediate rider. No park yet. Just like to carve around on the groomers and go in the trees on powder days.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

I would probably pass on both. There is a little too much overlap. If you want one board to do it all the Basic Uninc is hard to beat. If you want a two board quiver then the Greats is a great call for the daily driver and then get a really directional set back board for powder that can also rip groomers for different moods. Something like the Hybrid or PYL Uninc or Cardiff Powgoda or...oh man. Just email me through this form and I'll provide a legit list with links to the reviews of possible candidates. thegoodride.com/snowboard-binding-and-boot-advice/

Is there any update/change Burton did to this year's regular Step-on bindings?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

No they seem to be almost the same after the upgrade last year. Most changes seem to be with the boots for 2023.

@bersonlee

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Thank you! Great video BTW!

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

many thanks.

What you would recommend between the 3 step In bindings?

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

If you want a more balanced smooth ride go Genesis, more response Step On, even more Step On X.

@sagivcohenz

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow I mean between the 3 Step on ,clew, nidcker

I just got an 2022 Genesis accidentally while expecting 2023, what are the difference exactly? Many thanks!

@thegoodridesnow

3 ай бұрын

The Genesis Step On is new for 2023 and they didn't make one in 2022. Do you mean the non-step on re:flex?

@HorStephen

3 ай бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow Oh I think I got the 22-23 version, which should be the first gen Genesis(Ballad Blue), and the newer one is 23-24.

The weight on the Step On should be pointed WITH the boot, because it's a binary system. IMO... And those boots are not the lightest in the market... I still think the best are the Supermatic. You can use the boot you want, you can use them as regular straps bindings, and they have got more customization. Besides, they never talk about this, which was the main problem with step ins back in the day: If you like to hike, splitboarding, or to explore to ride the mountain, you caould damage the step on boot, and you are fkd. Not only that, but maybe the boot is damaged, but you didn't noticed it, still can step in, but in the middle of the run it releases and you can be really really hurt. That was the main problem with step ins back in the day. Ok, Step Ons are not metal, and those pieces are not in the sole, but still, I wouldn't use them to climb some rocks (also, you can't use crampons?...) . Let alone the cost of new boots, but that's the least important issue. The Step On are being sold really really well, but mostly for tourists, and older middle-low level riders. No disrespect, I understand the causes and why they prefer step ins, because I am an instructor and they are constantly asking me for a step in system, because for them, strap in is a battle, no matter how I insist that is not so hard and I even practice it with them a lot, while more experienced riders haven't got any issue to strap in, even in motion. Experienced riders want performance, not easy strap in/out, although I really think that step ins are the future (if we survive to the current madness). I've always believed it. To me, the best path right now are the Supermatic. The Clew look great too. I'd choose them before the Step On. Again, no hate here, just because of the reasons I've explained.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Great points and no hate felt. Just your take based on your observations, needs and preferences. Yes many riders that don't ride much just can't figure out how to stand up and strap in. Shit! I knew I was forgetting something when I published this review. The Photon Step On 2022 and 2023 are 2 lbs per foot so 3.8lbs total per foot. My Burton Kendo's and they are 2.2Lbs. I just looked at about 10 boots weight that I rode last year and they were 1.8lbs - 2.4lbs. So the Supramatic will be considerably heavier than most boot/binding combos. I'll add it to the written portion on the site. That being said it is not all about weight. Many other factors come into play when it comes to getting a quick release so each of these three brands could work depending on preference. Reviews coming next of the Supramatic and Clew.

@GLHNSLHT2

Жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely your going to damage the boot in the back country. The toe hooks are not that high of a profile to where you'd catch them on anything. And you'd probably have to be sliding down on your butt with your feet out in front of you to hit the heal cleats hard enough to break them off. You state experienced riders want performance. The step ons are more responsive than pretty much any other binding out there. Reviewers have noticed that since day 1. How is that not performance orientated? I love mine. I love the response. The ability to just step in is a bonus. And when your 4 or 5 chairs back on a powder day to be able to just ride off the chair past everyone else and grab those freshies just makes it all the better.

@fudhater8592

Жыл бұрын

How can you damage the Step On boots (vs. strap boots)?

I already have the Nidecker Supermatics and Clew Bindings, which I'll be using them next month in Utah. But I also want to pick up the Burton Step Ons and K2 Clicker. I want to see which one will work best for me. I like to ride mostly groomed runs and some deeper powdered runs, so I'm only wanting to see which ones will be the easiest to use, plus easier on the back. I'm not a young lad like most riders, but not that old either. I just want to step on and go. From all the videos I've watched about all of these bindings on KZread, I was so undecided, so I decided to get them all and test them for myself.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

The best way to know is to go. Great call. I'd love to hear your take as I haven't been able to get a hold of K2 Clickers. K2 hasn't had them for demo.

The video went on, but you didn't compare the Supermatic to these ones

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Sorry. Check the Supermatic and Clew reviews. They might help more.

I notice you’re a experienced boarder, I am just one big earlier step away from this dilemma, are quick-releases performing the same as normal bindings? I’m sick of getting in and out so slow comparing to skiers that I seem to want quick-releasers, but I do not want to diminish my own board performance

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Experienced but far from a ripper. I think if you are following skiers around and want the best feel underfoot the Genesis Step On is the best. You might want to look into the Photon or Photon if you want more response or Step On Soft if you want more of a normal binding feel. Or Photon Wide if you have wide feet like I do.

"Am I in? Am I in??"

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

;-)

Oh I forgot. They should be half price since the season is over.😊

I don't know about spending 500.00 on a pair of bindings. 😮

Half way through the video and I’ve seen zero mention of the supermatic or the clew. 👎

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Reviews of the Supramatic and Clew are coming very soon. Sorry I didn't compare them as much in this review.

@PeterGoodview

Жыл бұрын

@@thegoodridesnow good to know. Hard to find legit reviews on those two. I was really looking forward to the review so glad to know there will be more to come. Thanks

Im driving a hour away to get the genesis, I have the normal bindings and was about to mount them but I think the stiffness will probably bother me. Im a pretty laxxed boarder and I think they would be better.

@thegoodridesnow

Жыл бұрын

Hope the Genesis Work for ya.