Clearly this man is a Golden Gloves boxer 😢

Proper Tsuki Kihon is the nucleus of taijutsu. When one achieves correct form, tsuki and ukete form is one and the same thing. All 3 kamae become one and the same thing. Gogyo no kata, Kihon Happo becomes one and same movement. Every movement is a building block for the next. At some point Ikken Hasso comes to life, 1 strike 8 appearances. Sanshin (3), Gogyo (5), Happou (8). There is a Fibonacci sequence hidden somewhere in there.... Ninjutsu is way deeper than most of us think.

@HakubaDojo

7 ай бұрын

Very good insights I agree!

@basilistsakalos9643

7 ай бұрын

@@HakubaDojo *Sanshin: Tsuki Kihon, Ukete Kihon, Keri Kihon. Attacking with the upper and lower limbs, and receiving an attack. In my opinion this is the training methodology for an adequate timeframe, that is missing. Mastery of striking brings mastery of receiving and striking. Mastery of receiving and striking adds up to mastery of grappling. Mastery of receiving, striking and grappling through the 3 joints (another set of Sanshin) creates another set of Sanshin, in order to receive-control-attack (another set of Sanshin) using the 3 rhythms (one more set of Sanshin)... There should be an emphasis on training proper high-caliber attacking methods. The curriculum is there, the way to practice it should change.

@HakubaDojo

7 ай бұрын

@basilistsakalos9643 👍🏼

Sorry, but also in wrestling for example you don‘t learn punches, but most wrestlers will subdue boxers on the same level.

OK the punch in the video, we have that in WADO RYU KARATE called IO ZUKI or a similar version and whats happening in the video is form. Form is very important because it demonstrate how to do a certain thing correctly and contains other techniques. Now in the bujinkan one would take this form and do it in different ways. Why? So that in a real fighting situation your free to just fight without worrying about whether you have done the technique correctly or not. (In a real fight it will not matter.) That way one version of a punch becomes multiple versions therefore fighting in a variety of ways or punching in a variety of ways. So the key thing here is the understanding of that form and what it entails. What people are seeing in the video is what is just on the surface. Looking at the individuals stance (when he demonstrated the 3 types of punches) it reminds me of a Kamae called DOKO No Kamae... but I heard it said that in bujinkan there are no right or wrong ways...

I have trained in 12 different styles of martial arts for 21 years. 2 of those years were in taijutsu. The problem with moving this way is that you commit yourself way to much. It gets really hard for you to move quickly after you done your strike/punch. Same goes for the way you kick in taijutsu. If you are lucky the attacker or opponent goes down with only one hit. Then its no problem. However, if one hit wasnt enough, or if you simply missed, then you are a sitting duck. I sparred against a friend of mine who had done taijutsu for 13 years and was a second degree black belt in the art. He had even been in japan and trained with Hatsumi. I was using kickboxing and he was using taijutsu. I beat him every time. Eventually he just gave up. Saying that "I was simply to fast". The truth is that I was not fast, the way his taijutsu training had made him move was just slow. He commited himself to much and could not keep up. I sparred against another taijutsu guy with a green belt in the art and he had the same problem. To the guy who made this video I say: Its hard to admit having wasted a lot of time and money on something that wasn't really what it's cracked up to be. But its better to admit your misstake and move on to something better. There is no shame on your part. Only to your teacher and Hatsumi. Dont allow yourself to be brainwashed. Get yourself free. ❤

Love the sarcasm. Great explanation to those that don't and probably still won't after this. Keep going. Ninpo ikkan Peace

@HakubaDojo

Жыл бұрын

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We don't carry spears, but we can carry walking canes, same principle applies, as far as punching not a good idea to risk injuring the hands.

It is simple…body behind the strike. A closer approximate modern example is a JKD punch. A lead hand strike is a lead hand strike wether a jab or solid punch. In a real fight it just becomes less obvious. In the kata the movement is exaggerated to teach muscle memory. Same as Uke Nagashi/ Uke Uchi. It is a larger motion that becomes compressed in real applications. Another example is the low/ deep postures that become higher with feet less wide in use. It is called training for a reason. It is good if the trolls don’t understand it’s value

@HakubaDojo

Жыл бұрын

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People only see technique technique technique but doht understand the form...

No "martial art" holds a candle to boxing hands when it comes to striking. They can spout all the mumbo jumbo and delude themselves all they want but at the end of the day a boxers hands are 1000 times more dangerous than any "ninja punch."

@HakubaDojo

3 ай бұрын

Tell me, you totally didn’t watch the video without telling me you totally didn’t watch the video lol

@freespirit8673

3 ай бұрын

💯 % fact

@benhetherington12

2 ай бұрын

Agree, and the instructor has commented here also, what he isn't saying on this video and is well known to most of us that have trained outside of the classical mess, is that let's just take the jab for instant, in boxing you doknt just stand and throw, that's just one way, there is a stepping jab, a jab going backwards, a double jab, a fake the jab to an actual jab, but I can see from his own traning that has blinded him that he thinks we all remain static when throwing a technique. His way worked 1000 to 500 years ago, but we have evolved as martial artists and discarded the BS 🙏

@HakubaDojo

2 ай бұрын

@@benhetherington12 🤦🏻

@benhetherington12

2 ай бұрын

What are you smacking your head for fool?, instead of having articulate discussion, this shows that you are not prepared for people to comment on content you put out into the world, not everyone is going to agree with you, and if your "point" for the video does not have enough clarification people are going to make up their own minds, this is on you my friend, your skin is going to have to grow thicker everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so your childish response is not really becoming of a martial artist, you need to do better.

The reason for the "Bujinkan" exaggerated punch" is to train the feet and the subconscious on timing. At first we widen and expand teh picture so you can see then we shorten everything down to combat efficiency. After understanding this very basic principle the students should move past that very exaggerated posture.and into more natural fighting....The Bujinkan has failed to do this and constantly shows high level students still training with it.

Tsuki is like Gazelle Punch. It works in a real fight. Boxing is a sport, not fighting. In a real fight, especially when the enemy has a weapon, you have to stay out of range until you can lunge in. That is why the odd footwork... works.

@gatocles99

4 ай бұрын

@@tatumergo3931 Wrong. Boxing was always a game. When fighting for real, people used weapons. That is not why old texts refer to Chinese martial arts and "boxing". The English simply had no other name to call it. You are also confusing Savate and Boxe Francaise. Savate was a street fighting art created by the working class, that was banned from Boxe Fracaise competitions. It never had any root in fencing. Boxe Francaise did have roots in fencing as it was developed by and for the upper classes. Please read a book before commenting.

@gatocles99

4 ай бұрын

​@@tatumergo3931 Nice try. But you are making things up. Pseudo intellectualism is a bad look. It is well known that "Apache", was a common name for street thugs and gangsters... NOT a martial art. Savate was a street fighting art developed because punching could land one in prison, but slaps and kicks would not. It was developed by working class men. Michel Casseux was one of the first to market it to the upper classes, and his student, Charles Lecour changed the open hand strikes, to English Boxing, in order to create Boxe Francaise... an marketed it as a safe sport. Charles Charlemont's (student of Lecour) student, Count Baruzy formed the "Committee National de Boxe Française"... and began immediately banning Savate from competitions and tried to create a monopoly. Chausson is not Savate, but was a game of foot tag played by sailors wearing deck slippers. There is no link between Savate, and Lichtenauer, Meyer, Fabris, Bolognese, Camillus Aggripa, Mier etc.etc. There is no link between Savate and the ancient Greeks and Egyptians. You would know this if you had actually read any of those authors instead of just name dropping them. But keep lying... it works for you.

The problem is not taijutsu, the problem is the people not practice the form correct, I practice boxing in combination with taijutsu, is very effective. The boxing and taijutsu is good, always I try practice every technique in martial arts, free mind and free spirit for practice, Hatsumi himself say that.

@senseiSinclair

2 ай бұрын

When it comes to punching and moving a boxer will out do your typical bujinkan shihan easily. Bujinkan punches are not practical in the way they are typically taught. If you doubt that logic, by all means try using it in boxing sparring. They may have a purpose but its not to teach you how to be a fast, hard hitting striker with all due respect.

That man was definitely not a boxer, you should invite a boxer to your dojo, and show what you mean clearly. Then you should show how you are going to beat the boxer and spar with them, that is the only way to show what you mean clearly. Otherwise it’s just guesswork. I’m lucky, I have boxers and grapplers as well as weapons people in my MA lessons so we can demonstrate these things.

@HakubaDojo

3 ай бұрын

No one is claiming that he was a boxer, so I don’t know where you got that from. Nobody’s talking about beating a boxer either so I don’t know where you got that from, and we actually do have a background in MMA Brazilian jujitsu boxing and otherwise. However, my interest is not in sports which all of those are I come from a combat background in real life situations . Not that it matters.

@AngloSaxon1

3 ай бұрын

@@HakubaDojo I think that you will find that combat sports fare very well in real life situations, also why talk about bjj and boxing if these arts are not included because you only do the real thing. It’s silly to put stuff on the internet that is purposely not good because you will get people challenging your opinion. First of all, your man was standing square on, and if you say you come from a combat sports background you would have corrected that. Surely in this day and age you can see good stuff everywhere as well as bad stuff, and when staging martial arts you should get it done properly.

@senseiSinclair

2 ай бұрын

@@HakubaDojo If you are going to compare the punches, at least make sure they actually know how to box. No boxer would ever punch that badly to start with. He is overly rotating on straight punches, flat footed and even his guard sucks. You cant compare using a weapon like a yari/spear thrusting move to how you punch, the mechanics are not the same. The distance and other factors change those dynamics completely. You might as well say, using a tanto is the same as using a katana. Which would also be wrong.

This is as stupid logic as to say, I will punch you the same way I swing a hammer. With that logic I will miss every time because I am using the same range but my fist is not as long as the hammer. Teaching spear is a real skill, when the spear is no longer in your hand, you have to stop pretending it is still there. We see the same logic used in Aikido with a "HEY I AM ATTACKING YOU WITH A SHOTO!" You are shouting your attack. I have also not seen many people kick properly in Ninjutsu. You can't learn to defend well against bad "attackers".

I hated the Tsuki. Nobody will attack you like that. Boxers retract their punches. They need to get rid of it or train and be able to do the same technique against boxing style attacks.

@HakubaDojo

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? It’s like a football player saying they hate the bench press because it doesn’t look like a tackle. Some Dojo do train vs realistic attacks such as our Dojo. I do agree if a dojo is only defending against tsuki they are going to be in trouble if they ever face a real attacker espy if the attacker is skilled at attacking. Many Bujinkan Dojo just go with the flow and really have no idea what real fighting situations are about sadly… Thanks for the reply

@JusUltimate

Жыл бұрын

@@HakubaDojo Hi Rick, I'm a former Bujinkan dude. I favor JKD Concepts now. I had alot of Misconceptions about the Tsuki because I had a bad Bujinkan instructor. I went to another one and when and discussed its purpose with Bujinkan members with more experience. I called the Tsuki a "punch" the instructor one of Kacem's students quickly corrected me on it's historical origins. I am fully aware of where it comes from and why it is used in training. The problem is nobody outside of the dojo will attack you in that fashion so I don't like attacks being delivered that way because it's unrealistic. To me it's just a way for japanese people techniques to appear godlike while they have gullible practitioners on the recieving end holding their arm out. I will say your dojo at least tries to have some realism and spars unlike most Bujinkan dojos yours I actually respect.

@HakubaDojo

Жыл бұрын

@@JusUltimate OK you’re coming off a little bit triggered lol not my intention. If you have an axe to grind that’s all you. I have been a JKD instructor since the late 80s as well as a teacher in Silat, Kali/Eskrima and others. Happy training :)

@JusUltimate

Жыл бұрын

@@HakubaDojo Not triggered at all. Bujinkan higher ups usually are pretty sly and usually take what I say out of context to deflect from the phony history and poor training methods because they can't handle criticism and spin their own narratives in favor of their businesses. I'm not even mad. I'm used to it already. If I had an axe to grind why would I say I respect your dojo? I just have had discussions about it . In my opinion people do all these mental gymnastics to justify using it for training purposes, but if your training does not reflect reality what good is it? You tell me is an attacker on the street going to throw a Tsuki at you? I think not.

@HakubaDojo

Жыл бұрын

Not with me or our Dojo I am just saying it seems you have some bad blood because your past teachers tried to bs you. Anyway I appreciate the reply and wish you the best in yraining

Even for spear fighting it is a bad move!

@HakubaDojo

5 ай бұрын

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The title of this video demonstrates the lacking of understanding the claim-maker has about Bujinkan striking methods.

@HakubaDojo

5 ай бұрын

Are you saying that I the video poster has the lack of understanding of Bujinkan striking methods?

@HakubaDojo

5 ай бұрын

Because if that is the case you’re making, you clearly didn’t watch the video lol! The title was very carefully chosen to induce curiosity. :)

Bukinkan is not ninjutsu!

@HakubaDojo

7 ай бұрын

Correct Bujinkan is an organization! What’s your point?

@EngineersQuest

4 ай бұрын

Bujinkan contains 9 ryu of which some are ninjutsu.

@punisher7772

4 ай бұрын

​@@EngineersQuestyes, three ryu. The other six are samurai schools.

@punisher7772

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it is. It teaches three ninjutsu ryu. They certainly did in the 70's & 80's.

@EngineersQuest

4 ай бұрын

@@punisher7772 Correct.