Seems I was misinformed about WD-40 being a good rust inhibitor and I went ahead and put some paste wax over the bandsaw table top. Hope you enjoyed the video 😊

@michaelbuddy

10 ай бұрын

any thing that can provide a surface barrier to water in the air is going to do something. Even cheap 3 in 1 oil on tools can prohibit rust to a degree. Depends on where people live, and how moisture gets in to the space too. WD-40 can work, but again it depends on what temps and moisture gets into the space. My summers are humid and plenty of rain but surfaces don't really rust in my shop with just minor surface care. paste wax is will definitely do it. You'll probably have that paste wax container for 50 years now, takes forever to get through.

@grlatino8649

10 ай бұрын

Hermosa wera

@unholyarmyofone

10 ай бұрын

I am surprised about the WD-40, since the WD stands for "Water Displacement" and as far as I am aware it was designed as a rust inhibitor. I guess the issue would be that it would feel oily all the time and rub off with use. I would consider painting it with something like hammerite if the paste wax doesn't work out. For the wood off-cuts bin, the corner blocks seem to take up quite a bit of the opening. I would consider using something like pocket hole screws on the sides, so you could remove the blocks altogether, or cutting 45 degree angle blocks so that the stability is the same, but less of the internal space is wasted.

@ML-jk3sz

10 ай бұрын

You need to paint the surface with rust reforming spray paints like Rust Oleum. Some require a primer and others you can paint directly onto the CLEAN AND OIL FREE surface. You can use a solvent like CRC's Brakleen to get all of the oils off the metal. It dries very quickly and leaves the surface clean, just wipe down the areas with a dry cloth after. IMMEDIATELY you should then begin painting the surface. Remove the table just like you did with the initial rust removal process. This will hold up MUCH better than oils and will eliminate the possibility of getting oils onto your wood projects where oils could potentially ruin the finishes. Hope this helps. :)

@jamessacra1550

10 ай бұрын

I've found wax paper works extremely well. I ball up a piece and rub it on any tool table you'll be sliding wood on. Keeps everything slick and rust free. Added bonus is its inexpensive and leaves no residue on your wood.

Nice seeing someone who's doing stuff without having a fully kitted out massive workshop. Looking forward to the next vid

@flashwashington2735

8 ай бұрын

Watch those Bushcraft and survival channels. Some even make their own tools and gear with nothin' but skin and bone, split wood and obsidianin the middle of nowhere. Till they turn off the lights and cameras, while passing behind a couple of yards to their huge fifth for a warm dinner and to sleeping in their cozy bed through the cold night. God bless.

Looks great! I highly recommend that every workshop has a fire extinguisher accessible nearby, it's a worthwhile investment for peace of mind.

@AsTheWheelsTurn

2 ай бұрын

why would you need that in a woodworking space?

@QuackSecX

2 ай бұрын

@@AsTheWheelsTurn Why would you need a fire extinuisher in a WOODworking space you ask?

Nice! Two thoughts: 1) use the wall cavity space to your advantage. All of the small items like the stain etc will fit on small shelves making it easier to see and access as well as freeing up the larger shelf space. 2) build a small ramp to get mobile pieces in and out of the shop space (and avoid a trip hazard). ENJOY!

@SeaFanStudio

10 ай бұрын

I see her taking advantage of the cavity space in several places.

@scoobydiesel

10 ай бұрын

@@SeaFanStudiolooked like just the claps and then the two drill holder areas? Def think there could be a lot more usable space.

@whydotheathensrage

10 ай бұрын

right can serve as shelf, can put locking hinge brace on there also for retractable mini table

@SeaFanStudio

10 ай бұрын

@@scoobydiesel she also added depth to the shelves by having them take advantage of the cavity space. Sure, she could utilize them further, but she clearly already had the thought to utilize that space.

Tip - see those notches in your awesome sawhorses? lay a 2x4 x8' in each, then place a piece of plywood across them. Then a piece of foil backed 4x8 1" foam insulation on it. Set your blade to just go thru your wood to be cut. You will always have complete support, better safety, and waist height work space. Keep the boards and foam (I hang mine from the ceiling) for future cuts. Lasts for many years.

@pvasicc209

2 ай бұрын

Man, im so lost. 😅😅

@jjg6948

Ай бұрын

oooh nice. so that it makes a table right?

@awlthatwoodcrafts8911

Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Cutting on sawhorses with no support underneath is an accident waiting to happen. With her limited space, she doesn't have to use all 8 ft. Having a whole 'nother work surface would also be a bonus for that limited space.

so cool. Such a wonderful space and, with the outdoor patio area, this seems like a dream solution. Secondly, I get a bit tired of seeing so many woodwork channels that have shops that are enormous with every tool known to man lol.

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate it! And I feel that, most of us start with a smaller, simpler setup.

You are the only person that has a smaller workshop than me! Well done, I got some tips on making my space more organized. Thank you

I'm long time retired now, and never had a nice big workshop, but watching you put your shop together brought back fond memories. Like others here have mentioned, French cleats work very well. Also, having heavy tools on wheels is always a plus for a small shop. And, don't be afraid to re-do how you store your tools. A good workshop is always in a state of re-arranging things to suit your needs. Good Luck.

My workshop is in a basement where it shares space with 60 years worth of family stuff that's stored there. It's a mixture of old tools, some cheap tools and some- a very few expensive tools.

As someone with a small size space like yourself it's quite inspiring to see how you've managed to make use in a small space. It makes a nice change to see, unlike many of these other youtubers who all seem to have these massive double garages, huge workshops and enough land to build a small housing estate on. Great quality video 😀

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad you got some inspiration! I know it can be so disheartening when it seems like everyone has a huge workshop from the start but the truth is many of us are making amazing stuff in spaces about this size.

When i first built my workshop, it looked really similar to yours. Remember its not how you start, its how you finish...which in woodworking, it never finishes. :) Keep up the good work and keeping smiling.

Where I live, I keep my paints, primer cans, glue, etc in a tuff bin so I can bring it into the house during winter so they don't freeze. I'm a big fan of those stackable bins to keep moisture and saw dust off of the delicate items. Excellent band saw table idea, it can wheel out into an open area so you can cut longer items. The layout looks good!

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah I actually moved the paints and such into one of those large plastic bins and brought it into our garage, since the temp in there fluctuates less. Just to be on the safe side.

This video is truly an inspiration. My lot is small, my garage is cramped, and pulling out tools is a chore in itself. I feel like I don't have adequate space for a shop, but you proved otherwise. Thank you!

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Simple, affordable, and nothing over the top, yet very practical. What a perfect little set up for average hobbyist! Nice job & thanks for the video. God bless.

Consider painting the walls white as this will help reflect the light for you . Best of luck to you , i started off with a portable work bench and now have a 20x8 workspace and i love it. 😊😊

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Appreciate the suggestion, thanks!

You are a beautiful and incredible very talented lady! Bet your hubby is just thrilled to have you! Keep up the good work and show women in general how easy it can be to get off their butt and be productive! Thank you, blessed day!

I like ladies who do DIY! Super cool, keep up the good work.

It’s amazing how much work can be done in a relatively small area! Good job!

This is how I've worked for years. I have an 8x12 shed that I built a miter saw station and workbench in. I built carts for my bigger machines and just roll them outside when I need to be in the shop.

Very nice job! I would suggest removing the WD40 from the band saw top so finishes applied to your work pieces aren't effected from it. Use a paste wax for wood floors (not car wax because it has silicone) or there are commercial sprays you can use that will help protect it from rust and make it slick so your projects slide easily as you're cutting them. Good luck......I know you'll be happy using your new "she shop" for your woodworking!!!

One small suggestion I would make is to put a piece of plywood behind your main bench at the top to keep any small parts or tools you may have sitting up there from falling down into the space between your wall studs. Other than that I enjoyed watching you build your shop.

Lighting for working in low light conditions would be a worthwhile addition. Maybe solar if you get a lot of rain and do not want to run power leads out from the home. Nice work. Some good ideas I had not thought of whilst researching my shed.

My tiny workshop (140' sq. ft.) was just completed: I have the space and bare walls. watching many videos on "building a small workshop" and this was great, b/c finally there's a knowledgeable, creative builder w/similar space limitations! I love what you've done and your ideas will be very helpful. Love the simplicity. Thank you!

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

Nice! Happy I could provide some inspiration

@jameselloko6365

Ай бұрын

Hi what u work on so do u work inside of it or u take stuff out to work

@sbwyo1966

Ай бұрын

Are you asking me? If so, yes, I do all of my woodworking, etc. in the workshop. It's great! Plenty of room even in that small space, to get all my projects done. If I need more room, I can just go outside on the deck.

Make lowar cabinets and on the top French cleats, move all the tools on the wall French cleats, that will give you more space

I want to say thank you. I am watching your videos a week or two now and I have to say they are helping a lot! You have very good ideas! I just started woodworking to built my roof garden. Keep up the good work! Thanks again!

Hey, looks good. Enjoy your new space. If you use the studs of your shed you can make tiny shelves in between. You get a ton of storage space without losing space. It is good for a lot of stuff like screws, clamps, glue, screwdrivers....

Looks like you have a place of your own and you did a great job of arranging your work space. Although small keep up with the video`s and your woodworking project`s and soon your shop will grow and so will your viewing audience. Thanks for sharing 👍

@elenamakes

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Means a lot

Nice video. One thing I would recommend is to get a 4'x8' piece of rigid foam insulation 1" or 1-1/2" thick (those pink sheets from Owens Corning, for example) to place on top of your saw horses to make life easier when cutting material with your circular saw. You can cut this into two or more pieces and even tape sections together such that you can fold them up for storage and unfold for use. I have a frame made of 2"x4"s that fits into the ears on the same saw horses as you have that serves as a base and I lay the foam on top of that. Works great.

Looks great - about the same size as my own shed. I would however urge you to remove that shelf at the window, as others have also mentioned - you will at some point bump into it and hurt yourself. Suggest building another smaller bench with storage space underneath it - or if not a bench just a shelf unit up to the bottom of the window. That way you get storage and you won’t hurt yourself. Also turn tools boxes onto their bottom ie stand them up beside each other rather than lying them flat - makes more space. All the best.

Those saw horses are awesome. I use them as well. And of course a shop dog is a must lol. My little Beagle simply loves being in my shop with me. Spot on using casters on machines as well work benches. Enjoy the fruits of your labor. 👍🏼👍🏼

@elenamakes

3 ай бұрын

Shop dogs are a must!

The teacher is beautiful and talented at her work

Lovely little space. It's all about being creative when it comes to small workshop & everything on wheels helps.

Hi Elena, congrats on your neat little workspace! How's it working out? A quick piece of advice for your consideration: when you're drilling holes, especially holes that are 3/8" or smaller in diameter, set your tool to its "drill" setting and the speed setting to 2, and spin the drill bit to max RPM while applying only enough pressure to get the drill bit making progress. When you've drilled to the desired depth, keep the bit spinning in the same direction and just pull it out. You'll feel a bit of resistance but not much. You should not reverse the direction of rotation in order to extract a drill bit; you only do that with screws. This is the correct technique. It will yield cleaner holes and save you time and effort and wear on your tool. While I'm on the subject, if you're drilling deep holes, deeper than 2 inches let's say, it's a good idea to extract the bit every 3/4" or so in order to evacuate all the wood chips that build up in the spiral flutes of your bit. Keep the bit spinning all the time, and just press, extract, press deeper, extract, and so on until you've reached the desired depth. Cheers and happy building!

You're going to really enjoy your own workshop space. You did and outstanding job with the space you have now. Thanks for sharing.

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Glad you think so, it's already made working on projects so much easier

Love what you're doing. My only suggestion is to add insulation. i just did that to mine and it was a huge ordeal as I moved 19 yrs of 'stuff' to get where needed. In the Texasa summers (which is most of your year) it was just too hot to work in. Makes a huge difference. I feel like you'd only have to move a few things and you'll be more than happy. I also added a radiant barrier and that was tremendous too. Otherwise, excellent and have fun.

Awesome! All you really need is a job site table saw and you’ll have a fully functional shop!

Re-building my shop right now, thank you for the inspiration. Nice working done! Greatings from Argentina

I had one of those storage buildings. I used it for 10 yrs before i finally built a 30x30 shop out back. I built a ramp at the door.. I had a garage door at the end of the shop and i poured a 10x16 slab outside door. I moved the table saw outside. With a. $1000 carport over it. Worked great.

Good job making the best of what you’ve got. I’m going to paint the walls of my little shop with a lick of white paint to lift the space and make it brighter.

great work, using the space in the best way , just be-careful from the shelf on the window, it could hit your back

Very nicely done. My shop is 12 x 12 and much taller, but I'm still finding it too crowded . . . partly because I have more large tools, but mostly because I didn't organize as well as you did. Thanks for inspiring me to whip my area into shape!

Elena, great use of space and good ideas for storage, nice work.

Just watch. Nicely done. Only initial comment would be to add a back splash board for the bench so nothing falls off it. Great video.

Great little shop. Make some boxes that fit between your rates and will fold down to store small things like sand paper, boxes of nails screws, glue.

I’m so looking forward to your journey. You seem very solution oriented and talented. I like that you don’t overdo things. The workbench is good enough to get the job done. It doesn’t have to be perfectly flat Just keep a piece of 3/4 mdf that you can throw on there temporarily when you need to. Now I need to get to work

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! I do the best I can with the knowledge / tools I have

One of the game changers for me in my small workshop was to make 4" deep drawers to go under every bench top in the shop, one of the best things I've done for extra storage

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Great tip!

@user-um5ok8pt8u

9 ай бұрын

Great idea with the added bounce of learning how to make drawers.

The first rule of a very small workshop is that everything should be mobile....at least I have such experience...my workshop measures 6.56 x 9.84 feet

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Definitely, already ordered more of those wheels w brakes

@wastelgerch5485

10 ай бұрын

My Workshop is aboat 4300 square feet, but my maschines are still on wheels to be mobile. So that they could easily be moved around in case I bought a new one or some big lumber Boards need more space than there is at the Moment

@dougpeak7591

10 ай бұрын

Only buy what you need. Don’t buy tools until you have a use. Keep things very organized.Use storage containers and bins to help . Start small then move forward

@dougpeak7591

10 ай бұрын

I started if just a couple tools and I use to storage tools in small closet . Not anymore two car plus garage

@simonboulton978

10 ай бұрын

At least it's a start and do one step at the time! Brilliant work and keep it up!😊

Great inspiration, my workshop is sooo small, I need to remade my too 🤔

I've found that having some sort of door on my powertool storage is essential. Without a door or at least a curtain, all of your tools will be covered in dust and will cause a mess before you even use them. A scaled down central vacuum system would probably be the next thing I installed if I were going to do much woodworking in such a small space. I can already feel the sawdust in my teeth and down my shirt collar. LOL

I have a "shed shop" too, 10' x 16' and I enjoyed the video. I started out with basic 2x4 and plywood bench & shelves like you but quickly ran out of room. I started making things using joinery and French cleats mostly to learn more about the craft but it does take of less space. I recommend highly that you look into a Moravian workbench, maybe a smaller version. It was my first hand tool build. It can be quickly broke down and moved outside on a nice day. Handplanes and handsaws are a lot of fun too and will allow you to ditch the safety glasses and hearing protection. Hope you enjoy your new space!

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions 🙏

Nice work!

Nice work! Tip for future, look at getting a barn style shed, you gain more over head space to make board storage. Also WD40 dries out and rust will come back.

You need to get a Vice for your work bench. They can come in handy 🤔👍

@elenamakes

7 ай бұрын

A vice would be a good add

awesome! it goes to show that even with a small place and good space management you can have an amazing area!!

Everything about this was absolutely awesome. Brilliant use of the small shed. Thank you for recording the whole process. Fun watch!

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

That’s very kind of you to say, thanks!

The natural look of thw wood interior is so cool. I thought itd look great painted white, but I wont even paint the wooden shelves and tools I make, so I think it looks great as is.

Very nice shop. We all start somewhere. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep Making. God bless.

How exciting. I look forward to watching your workshop evolve & what you'll make in there. It's a really pleasant space. Nice & light. The OSB walls & studs look good & allow easy attachment of tool holders, shelving etc... I have a small workshop (about 2.5 times your shed) & it's my relaxation spot. Having an outside area to work in is great for big (or messy) projects or to just enjoy the nice weather (limited here in Wales UK). The thing I love about my workshop is that, inbetween projects, there are always funtionality & quality of life improvements you can make just for your own pleasure. I never stop innovating & the workshop regularly gets rearranged to better suit my workflow, based on experience. Enjoy!

@elenamakes

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, a lot of us don't have the biggest spaces to work with but love how we each find a way to make our shops perfect for us.

Terrific job.

It is good to pause reacquire the vision. Moving towards is satisfying as you get closer, your vision is seen. Like the fog burning off in the clear morning sun. Revealing, revealy more clearly, destination almost beyond horizon. You're arriving home. Thanks for sharing this vision. God bless.

Nice job with the shop! I’m sure it will change as your channel and skills grow. Your channel has a good vibe. Good lunch with your journey.

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻

Nice efficient use of a small space, it’s going to be interesting to watch your channel progress. Good luck🤗

It is going to be fun to watch as you re-imagine, change things and grow! Good job.

@elenamakes

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! I already want to change some things. I feel like you're never "done" with a workspace it's always evolving.

Nice Job. Wheels for Everything with brakes my friend. My WS is as small as yours and today I finish with my Bandsaw stand with wheels. Now I can move Everything in and out in my small space. I can tell you is the best that you can do if you want to take care of your back. French Cleats are good idea too. The much you can put on the wall the best saving Space in your WS. Thanks.

I used to scetch things out on paper and get things done in an analogue freeform manner. Then I started designing in 3D and spent all day screwing around with software and getting nothing done :o/ So I really like that you just put tape down - Genius!!! :D

@elenamakes

8 ай бұрын

Haha thanks! I’m always mocking stuff up in illustrator or sketching on my iPad but sometimes it’s nice to keep it simple with a roll of masking tape

I wish I had a woodshop. I love woodwork.

You have made great use of what you have available. I think it's a very quaint and comfortable space to be able to work right out your patio door. I loved the clip with the dog laid out on the couch in the background. Now that's living! One suggestion I'd make is the shelf in the middle of the window. Put it above the window and cut it down so it doesn't stick out so much. Use it to store clamps, just like you did on the other wall, clamping them to the wall header. Put the longer clamps on the side and shorter clamps across the front. I use some of those cheap metal L-shaped shelf brackets to store all of my F-style clamps. They're strong enough and come in different sizes. You could add some of those brackets along the sides of the window. As was suggested in some other posts, get an 8ft 2x4, cut it in half, and lay then in the slots on your saw horses and then lay a 4x4 sheet of plywood across that and now you have another work surface as well as support for making your cuts. Get a 4x8 sheet of insulation, cut it in half, and now you have 2 sheets (using one at a time) of sacrificial surface for all your cuts. That will probably outlast your time in that workspace. New subscriber. I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos.

Notable. También soy carpintero y realmente da gusto ver a una Mujer trabajando y haciendo lo que yo mismo hago. Felicitaciones!!! Y Muchas Bendiciones!!!

Proud of you, you did a fantastic job and you’re going to have lots of enjoyment in your shop. Good job

It was very practical and properly designed for a very small space available....

Great video. Your little shop looks great.

Lighting. Lots and lots of lighting. Also, make use of the space in between the studs for different kinds of shelving

I worked out of 10X10 shed for 20 years, I even had a bike lift in there in the winter, I built 3 lofts, that helped a lot. It will work, now I have a shop that is 26X24.

Your small shop is not big enough for me, but I really learned a lot to be well organized. Thanks for your ideas. Greetings Fernando

You are so cool. I think that girls that use power tools are badass lol. It's one of the things that I love about my wife. Really nice build on the band saw cart. That's an adorable pup as well 🐶

Great job! I just made my 12 x 12 shed into a small shop too, so I know what you were thinkin'...it's so rewarding! Have fun...

Great job! Would recommend on CLOSING up the small air vents at the bottom to deter little critters from coming in...some. And instead create a ventilated fan up in the peak by the back end wall, if you still want one. That way you have a bit more 'bug security' as a deterrent. If you chose to consider that, use the green vent meshing you can purchase at a local hardware store to 'filter' out from having critters come in that way too. Otherwise, you did an excellent job! Hope you enjoy it and thank you for sharing.

@elenamakes

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate the suggestion

@matthew5245

7 ай бұрын

I solved this by putting wire mesh in front of the vents

What a great setup. I love it!

Possibiltiies are endless with a shop like that! Looking forward to seeing what you build next

Great little project, nicely filmed and put together. You're a natural infront of the camera

@elenamakes

8 ай бұрын

Thank you, still somewhat new to filming so glad to hear you enjoyed it!

Great use of space! I have a similar sized shop and will be making use of some of your ideas. Thanks for sharing!

I enjoyed the process and it ended up looking great! I love that the skylight is above the workbench, that is realy nice. all the best to you in your upcoming projects and thank you for sharing, I would love to see how this will expand and evolve.

@elenamakes

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the process

Great job, enjoy your work space … enjoy the space !

Nice workspace. Couple of recommendations: 1) Swap out the pegboard for the standard stuff with 1/4" holes on 1" centers. There are a lot more hooks and other accessories that fit standard pegboard, and they'll be a lot cheaper than anything proprietary. Eventually you'll eschew pegboard in favor of French cleats like all woodworking KZreadrs do, but for now PB is cheap and widely available. 2) Add some screens to those vents in the side of the shed to keep bugs out. 3) Don't use a screw to hang the bandsaw power cord - the threads will eventually chew up the cord and you could end up with a short that could damage your saw, or get zapped yourself by an exposed wire. 4) Get yourself a couple of sacrificial 2x4s to use in those nice folding sawhorses when you're cutting sheet goods, so you don't have to hold the material with one hand while holding the saw with the other while you make a cut. 5) Future upgrade: Consider replacing your plywood bench top (and the shelf on the window) with melamine. It's heavier than plywood, but it's dead flat, wood glue doesn't stick to it, it's smooth enough to put down a sheet of paper to write or draw on, and you can use iron-on edging to ease the edges so you don't get cuts or splinters when you brush up against it.

@elenamakes

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate all the suggestions!

Enjoyed watching this project. Looking forward to see your work.

Nice shop!

Well Done!

Nice job in a tiny space. Well done. Thank you for sharing.

Adding some room storage would probably be nice. Or even making a straight cover inside and making the roof be a scrap wood storage. And having storage in the back big enough to keep the wood from being stuck

I prefer seafoam for rust prevention, although spendy. Awesome work!

Nice. This is almost the same space I have for my own workshop (2mx3m) . Loved the inspiration thanks

very inspiring! One thing you could check out for your cans etc. is something like a wine/bottle storage where you put the stuff in horizontzally. This way you don't have to dig through 5 bottles in order to find the one at the wall.

Inspiring stuff, I gotta get back into the garage and clean up

Beautiful little workshop

Just bought a 12x20 shed. After I put my atv and riding lawn mower in the roll up door ,I'll have 13'x12' to put in bench, table saw, radial arm saw....it'll be tight

@elenamakes

6 ай бұрын

I feel it, garages / sheds always seem huge when empty but they fill up quick

Nicely done! I have the same saw horses. I hope you registered yours for warranty when you bought them. A tip: when drilling holes keep the drill in the forward direction and pull it out backwards while pulling the trigger. This will clear the hole of debris.

We are moving into a house next week and I love the idea of just a stripped-back woodworking shop that won't cost me another mortgage.

@elenamakes

8 ай бұрын

Yeah 😅 the tools and materials are expensive enough!

It looks great you did a great job

Nice content. It's nice to see that you don't need tens of thousands of $$ worth of tools to have a workable DIY and hobby workshop. I would love to see a follow up video that deals with dust collection for such a space.

Great video. As it grows, you might consider a flip tool stand where you can have two tools. I'm a little concerned about the flooring, it seems to have bulges that could be a safety hazard. You are definitely on the right track, keep growing and learning.