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@hyperhektor7733

4 жыл бұрын

you could use a reduction gearbox(1:12-15) + a drill or cordless drill to speed up the process, one other comment suggestet to preheat the parts like 60-100degrees (?)

@ts3dprints732

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking a bicycle/motorcycle gear reduction could be made to help out. Maybe a concrete base to weigh it down and hold the gear reduction. The molds for the concrete could be 3d printed.

@coolfrost6

4 жыл бұрын

Teaching tech seemed to have good success using a cheap electric winch

@feds27

4 жыл бұрын

This idea seems good for a 1st pass before feeding the line through a filament former. www.kickstarter.com/projects/910418035/plastic-bottle-cutter

@TheBowersj

4 жыл бұрын

can you mix different plastics together and do a strength test on them, maybe you can make a stronger plastic yourself?

You should consider replacing the long lever with a gearbox to make the spinning easier. Good job for the project :D

@LordtwoDark

4 жыл бұрын

Great idea, maybe a worm gearbox? you get allot of torque out of those but you need more rotations.

@Ic3Fenix

4 жыл бұрын

@@LordtwoDark With this setup he doesn't need it, spur gears are more efficient and the gearbox will be compacted, saving a lot of space. I'm a mechanical engineer as he is, it will be easy for him to do the math for this upgrade

@lucaseyraud4031

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah just two gears with 5:1 ratio or more would make a huge difference. You should find some easily on Internet with the proper axis diameter... Well done anyway, I was planning doing the same but 350 is quite expensive for myself.

@kyleadkins2717

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to suggest the same thing, i was actually going to suggest a real big gear reduction and then hook that gear reduction to a small predator engine. Predator engines are dirt cheap at harbor freight and they tend to have decent torque at the rpms they can run. Im not sure how well vented this shop is but a small predator engine with a big gear reduction with those blades would chew through most any plastic i would suspect. Ive seen the blade systems that precious plastics make and almost bought one myself for fun but i just dont need it but during the process of thinking about it i was curious on how to solve the 220 motor problem. For the home shop that doesnt have a welding power drop at 220 an electric motor just isnt cost effective. Then you have to consider the motor controllers and safety from such a system. Going to an internal combustion would solve those problems real quick and you wouldnt have to mess with complex electrical issues and you would likely get a more stable torque since you could add more fuel for more power.

@LFdu83

4 жыл бұрын

This, and a ratchet so he can push the lever up and pull with his own weight

You recycle and do indoor exercise at the same time! perfect for this times of quarantine =D

@sambarnes1226

4 жыл бұрын

The things people are doing with THIS sudden mass of time available

a 14 tooth to 72 tooth sprocket chain reduction would help for sure.

Take the "trash" particles and melt them on a hotplate into a puck then re-shred the puck to proper size particles.

@SkaveRat

4 жыл бұрын

the problem is: there are quite a lot of metal shavings in there. you *really* don't want those in your final filament

@kelpygsus132

4 жыл бұрын

@@SkaveRat You could probably use a strong magnet to sift them out couldn't you?

@rizalardiansyah4486

4 жыл бұрын

@@kelpygsus132 that might work

@m1c4o

4 жыл бұрын

maybe you can use water, the metal will sink, and the plastic will float

@denispoppitz8323

4 жыл бұрын

@@kelpygsus132 I think some part were made of stainless steel = only partly magnetic

It would be interesting to test the strength of a print after being recycled multiple times comparing each one to fresh pla

@skyak4493

4 жыл бұрын

In auto parts we had tolerance levels for regrind of sprues and runners. I suspect PLA will not tolerate much regrind because of the "annealing" behavior changing the melt temp. Molecular weight distribution affects melt properties and strength and every mechanical break of plastic cuts chain lengths. ABS was fairly tolerant.

Good to see people repping precious plastics. Nice touch trying the hand crank method, great video

i'd love to see a review or at least a more detailed look at that pellet extruder.

@CNCKitchen

4 жыл бұрын

Will do!

@foolishafraid562

4 жыл бұрын

@@CNCKitchen I'd also love to see a review of the extruder. 3d printing with waste PET would give people a nearly infinite source of material.

@roebyroeby1

2 ай бұрын

Hey@@CNCKitchen, or Stefan if you prefer. I'm curious about the performance of the Mahor V4, as I intend to buy it to make 3D printed prosthetics for amputees in Kenya. A local company makes recycled injection molding polypropylene pellets. Previously, I've already been using PP in the 3D prints because it's the strongest for the least amount of money. You probably can imagine that I've seen my fair share of failed PP prints, and had to optimize my printing process a lot. Eventually, by tweaking the design and getting a heated chamber, the prints come out excellent. I'm curious now if the Mahor V4 could achieve the same quality. If this were possible, I would be able to make prosthetics out of 100% recycled PP. I'm a big fan of your work, I learn a lot from your videos, could you please help me with this endeavor? Wish you all the best!

Thank you Stefan and channel suscribers for this great project and their improvements!

Hi Stefan. Have you tried lightly warming the plastic in a microwave before tossing it into the shredder? That should reduce resistance without completely losing structural intgrity. Perhaps a geared link to the crank would increase torque & reduce back strain?

@jakegarrett8109

4 жыл бұрын

Might even do PLA in the winter (incredibly brittle, like I had my 3mm filament flying to pieces and showering my face and room like a frag grenade earlier today because it was so brittle coming off the roll...). So maybe for fun video get either dry ice or liquid nitrogen and dunk the part in it so it really explodes in that shredder (I think the parts should make a cool fog effect when they snap if they are cold enough and atmospheric conditions are correct). Useful? Probably not... But cool! (Im still not sure why the filament was so brittle, but warning it up helped a lot!)

@goldbunny1973

4 жыл бұрын

@@teeemm6415 A microwave could warm plastic by inductive heat; Stoneware can be heated to HOT by having something microwaveable in contact with it, so place the plastic in secondary contact and it'll be heated. You're not trying to heat it to it's melting point, only soften it's structure so it'll granulate more easily. Just my thought, could be wrong, can't test it as my microwave is currently offline : ) Someone could run a test tho..

@Xiph1980

4 жыл бұрын

Please don't do this. It makes it more difficult and you run the risk of gumming the entire device up. Freeze the parts, you want them to be brittle, not plasticized.

@goldbunny1973

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xiph1980 You're not "liquifying" the plastic. Can you test your freeze theory? Perhaps Stefan would like to try a few methods and make a video showing what happened?He's very good at Scientific Test comparisons.

@goldbunny1973

4 жыл бұрын

@@jakegarrett8109 LOL! Sounds like a video waiting to be made.

I really appreciate all your work to recycle printing material. Please go on!

Recylce follow up? Finally! Thank you so much!

Add a powerful magnet in each filter stage to collect the metal shavings.

@arrgh-

4 жыл бұрын

water would have the same result, the plastic should swim. Update, I have to correct myself, water has a density of 997-1000 kg per cubicmeter, ABS has a density of 1030-1060 kg per cubicmeter, so per se ABS should sink :-(. Milk has the same density as ABS but I would not recommend it.

@robertcullipher3492

4 жыл бұрын

arrgh I originally thought water until I remembered how hydroscopic this plastic can be. Keeping it dry gives the most consistent experience.

@fataxe1

4 жыл бұрын

I thought he said it was stainless steel. Some grades have no magnetic properties, so a magnet may not work.

@jjcc8379

4 жыл бұрын

If those are stainless shavings there might not be of any help. Aisi 304 / 1.4301 , the most common stainless alloy , is non ferromagnetic . There are good ferromagnetic stainless alloys, but chances are a magnet won't help here.

@arrgh-

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertcullipher3492 just thought to divide the smallest parts from the metal. most plastic shouldnt be harmed and the water should disappear with the heating.

Nice. It's good to see a company selling tools specifically for recycling plastics. I still keep all the failed prints I have ever made, as well as little scraps like supports and brims, in the hopes of ever being able to recycle them into new filament.

Great video! I have a Previous Plastic shredder. I find that using the shredder first, and then putting the plastic in a blender gives a small particle size. I love the design of the stackable sieves! I will try them out!

Really Cool! since day one, I have kept every failed print/support. So I can one day recycle it all.

Greetings. Great video as usual. Here's a suggestion. Give yourself some mechanical advantage by adding a couple of gears. Perhaps a 3" dia gear at the shredder and driven by a 1" dia gear at the crank. Then you can reduce the length of the crank somewhat making it easier to crank while still having overall mechanical advantage.

Stefan, you have excellent videos. You do a good job of explaining engineering related concepts. . Keep up the good work.

Awesome! I've been wanting to design a shredder like this, but the precious plastics prefabs sure are tempting. I just happened to source a beefy electric motor and gear train, but the handle solution is great

@MatthewSchoepf

4 жыл бұрын

Make Anything will you actually end up posting a video on it when it’s done ;) don’t forget about the filament maker.

@xvico613

4 жыл бұрын

Hello , we invite you to cooperate with our new 3d pinter model X5 , are you interested ? I also send you email .

@gentiligiuliano7882

2 жыл бұрын

I'm more worried of the price of the beefy gear reduction than of the beefy electric motor itself. I'm looking for a gear reduction rated for 500 Nm ... and they are expansive.

Ya ya ya Thank you Mr Kitchen ❤

i don't subscribe to many KZreadrs. While watching this video i realized that even tho i have watched dozens of your work, i had not yet committed to a subscription. I have always enjoyed your videos, and today you have earned it.

@CNCKitchen

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

For your hand cranked version, I believe a precious shredder with ½ to ⅔ the blade gauge widths and a smaller hook area would suit a lower load human setup. It would still run fine with a smaller motor. “Not biting off more than it can chew.”

Seems like the flywheel you mentioned combined with some reduction gearing could make things a lot easier for you. Maybe include a spring mechanism to store energy too.

would be super cool to see you build a gearbox for it! (probably not 3d printed but maybe a thick planetary gearbox might distribute the force enough to be partially 3d printed?)

Just watching this - your sieves look and operate very similar to the aggregate measuring sieves used in stone mining / quarrying operations. As a prior materials engineer, one thing to note is that sieve hole sizes only guarantee your pieces are less than the hole size for the 2nd longest side of any particular piece - if you think about it, you could get an infinitely long piece through one of the holes as long as the 2nd and 3rd dimension sizes are smaller than the sieve. Granted, the space between the sieves in your "sieve stack" will limit this somewhat, but it's something to keep in mind while processing. Great video - really enjoy your thorough testing!

What a work out!

Ah, I see you used a spiral flute tap at first. They are the weakest type and not really suitable for manually starting a thread in steel. Normally a hand tapped hole will require 3 stages. A start (first) tap, which has a loooong taper, so that it aligns itself with the hole. Then a second tap to form most of the depth of the thread, and finally a finishing or bottoming tap to get as much depth as necessary. For anyone reading this, if the thread is required all the way through, then the finishing tap is not needed.

@hellelujahh

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this is some great advice!

Between this and the filliatruder I think I can make a fairly good recycling stand. Thank you. Can't wait to start making projects.

I would add some gearing to that lever.

An electric or manual boat trailer winch will easily crank the shredder! Your pellet extruder looks awesome..can't wait to see how you do that. Thanks for your efforts.

I love this idea 😍. I have limited shop space and have limited funds but this it perfect 👌. Muscle is the way to go 💪. Thanks dude

Their marketplace is an interesting concept for connecting local business that would normally deal with primarily commercial customers, to consumers. Rather than having to pester fab shops to find one thats willing and isnt givng you a "I dont wanna spend the time on this but will if you really wanna pay" sort of quote, you can find a place that is willing to do it, has the setup for the project done already, and understands whats being built. Plus the fab shop gets to use whatever resources they invest in setting up multiple times. (Only have to do the CAD on the laser/plasma cutter once, only have to dial in the kerf compensation once)

Wow... I've never been this early! Sweet!

Loved watching the camera doing the jitterbug on the table! LOL

You could get a small griddle and cook mats to remelt together the small bits that are to small to use , a strong magnet could pull out metal debris and garment vacuum(that pulls lint fluff off) could be enough for wood shaving

great video !!! very good project

Thank you CNC kitchen

I worked with an industrial shredder 25 years ago for a bit. You definitely need a flywheel for that small shredder. Also a hammer-mill style is much better design so that it can retract the cutting head. That way the cutter head still rotates and does not hang up. When I need electric motors, I use one from an old washing machine, there tuff and cheap or free. The motor uses V groove pulley so you can make a simple friction culch to engage the cutter head. In case of a catastrophic stop the belt will slip, very safe. The company that made that shredder could make a hammer-mill cutting head small enough to.

thank you! i was scared to buy it without seeing it first

First of all, you could shorten the crank by using a star-gearing. You would need to crank twice as often though. This also would have the benefit of possibly not throwing around the machine. Then, you need to mount it to the bench sturdier, but for a first test, this loos good!

Du machst wirklich einen großartigen Job hier auf KZread. Der Erfolg sei dir gegönnt!

nice one

That's pretty cool. We make a lot of 3d printer waste in my school district and this would be great hooked up to a torque wrench from the shop.

A simple reduction gear and built in hand crank would be from a boat winch that usually attach to the front of a boat trailer.

Ive been thinking about doing this myself for quite a while now. It is just so tempting to make filament out of waste and print cool things with it. with these PET bottles you might not even have to add virgin material to the mix. Really cool! I guess you will add a gear to the handcrank? The way it is now you could charge people to use it for a workout in times of this toiletpaper-noodle-pandemic.

I've been exploring that topic before, I also shifted from filament to pellet extrusion and I even made sieves like to sort pellets, so I can share you my experience. Pellets are idealy rond, then cylindrical, cubic, or whatever , before being some type of shitty shape. Raw shredded material is a pretty shitty shape. Though with more solid parts, you might have a chance with shredder alone. But I focussed on plastic waste, being PET, HDPE, PP... (you know, 3D printed stuff is cute and so, but you have to buy and use that plastic first, pla does degradate and... it just never made sense for me) , stuff we throw away every day, which is mostly thin walled. So how to make thin walled stuff thickwalled? Melting! If you melt PET bottles and let it cool kinda slowly, it becomes crystaline and is very brittle, it's almost statisfying to shredd it then and will go way easier then everything i have seen you do in the video. If you don't melt PET botlles first, DONT shred it! It's super though and it will damage your shredder. (I managed to destroy the bearing on a 3devo shredder, likely with a single bottle). On the other hand I thought, If I melt it, I better melt into something i can easily make better pellets of, guess what that was: filament. So I used a syringe type device to melt platics into a crappy filament, to be shredded in cylindrical pellets. And that's basically my experience with it for now. I plan to melt plastics in battery like shaped in the future and print those directly as 2cm thick filament or so, as I over found the overal process of making pellets too cumbersome after all.

5:58 First person every to tell the kW rather than in horses !! Wow, keep the great work : )

Paint the inside of the box with a thick layer of paint and add a strong magnet to the output to help with the contamination, and throw a gearbox on that handle!

I am thinking about doing something similar but for composting trash and garden material Thanks for sharing

You could use a wrench for moving the shaft so you could always apply force downwards. Or scrap a olt bike an use the chain to power the shredder

Hi Stefan, did you consider heating up the shredder chamber? If you heat up the plastic to a certain point, where the plastics get softer, it might be easier to shred it. In that case, it would require less torque.

@danielepellegri346

Жыл бұрын

what you say would cause the plastic to stick to the teeth of the shredder

@McJohri

Жыл бұрын

@@danielepellegri346 I meant a particular temperature point where the plastic is not becoming liquid but a little soft like Klay but still brittle. Let's say about 50 or 60 degrees Celsius.

I have the same ongoing project. I think we are close to something great with recycling old waste plastic into new usable objects 😁

Thank you for sharing.

ich hab den titel gelesen und hab mir gedacht: "ach im leben dreht stefan den shredder nicht von hand durch". dann hab ich den riesen hebel gesehen und da war mir alles klar. bist echt ein genie auf deinem gebiet. weiter so!

Great vid. Am just waiting for shredder blades etc. to come back from being laser cut. Gives good ideas on low cost mods, if you don't have welder etc.

Thanks for the video.

Looks like a nice Workout

Have a look at using an Anchor or Yacht winch for your drive system as time doesn't matter that much in your case. DC powered will give you maximum torque near stalled state in a more compact size than using AC. Keep at it :)

I wish i could leave more than one likefor such wonderful video!

I would use a 3:1 gearbox to power the shredder, that way the crank would be easier, and you could also use a simple 230 NM drill to power it as well.

you should print some filament on the print bed from shredded material then shred it one more time to get even and soother print. that or make a cutter that takes the rough re-melted material and cuts it into the recommended size for you remelter another thing you can try is getting an arbor press and smashing all the prints you plan on recycling. this will make them thinner and easier to shread.

I cant wait for this to be refined and produced by larger companies in the future, if this works fdm will have the advantage over SLA as far as recyclability goes

You need more views and subs man!

I really like this idea of reusing the plastics and wish more people and business would get involved and come up with a solution that works very easy and be very cheap, if we had something very easy and cheap u would have people maybe going out of there way to pick up plastic pieces like bottles and straws whatever,,, I don't know how a mixture of all sorts of different plastics would work in a 3d printer,, but thank you for doing a video on this and I hope u keep going with it and maybe more people like you will jump in

I already have a full box of waste stacked up, even though I just want to do 3D printing as a hobbyist, and it's been less than 6 months I've had it. Most possible reason is that my printer is a DIY and wasn't ideally designed at first. I would definitely consider to buy one if I had a proper workshop myself!

That poor benchy...great video man, thanks!

im sorry, but that lever... Oh my lord that lever. The effort. The sheer will.

I thought about 3d print planetary, cycloidal or harmonic gear, driven by a hand drill. Cozy, beautiful and also nice fatigue test.

Very spiffy. You might consider putting a motor through a planetary gear to amplify the torque, so you can have it motorized. You could probably take the particles that are too small, and melt them together to make bigger chunks that can be re-shredded? Certainly being able to recycle all of your test parts is a good way to save money and plastic. (might have to do this myself. Been making a lot of draft prints, lately)

Precious plastics has started a nice recycling project. Shredding energie, reextruding energie, filtering, cleaning, I wonder how big of a shop you should have to make a sustainable business. For example my filament provider, doesn't recycle neither theirs clean scrap, cause plastics behave totaly different after the first heat, second, I guess overalll is a very challage thing to succede.

You could shred a bunch of benchies to create enough particles for a giant mixed color benchy

Nice bike!

Excellent !!

Normally unusable plastics can be mixed with sand and or gravel heated and molded to form tiles and bricks add some carbon dust for UV protection and color uniformity you can tile your roof pave your driveway, garden path, the back alley behind your home and so on.

Eagerly waiting to see the pellet based printhead. I can't wrap my head around how they managed such a precise device

I want to build a machine to take spools of filament and chop it into consistent, uniform pellets by feeding the filament into a rotating chopper. I have some old spools that have taken on moisture, and my dehydrator doesn't do a very good job of drying them back out. I think if I cut them into pellets, I will be able to dry it better, then use it for extruding back into usable filament or using it for injection molding.

thats fantastic. i didnt know about the PP marketplace.

Metal doesn't like rubbing especially stainless, it galls and picks up and gets worse, so it's best to fix the clearance.

Seems like a good workout

I think you should attach this thing to an old home trainer. Use a belt system as a transmission with the needed ratio (maybe you can even use the stock parts of the home trainer) and easily shred kilograms of plastic by using foot pedals :)

Seems like you really need a simple gearbox on the input- 4:1 or 10:1, something along those lines, a reduction that size would make life much easier when turning the crank.

Man I want your Mauser calipers! Those are awesome

it's important for the shape of shredder to fit the uses. this shredder has huge but not so strong tooth, which should be good for breaking down thin and soft material quickly (i.e. polystyrene, pop can, cardboard). for 5mm chips and hand-cranked, the tooth profile should smaller and finer.

You should add a big beefy gearbox to that

Interesting concept! Have you considered using an impact wrench to power it? Not sure how you could implement a standard square drive on the input shaft without a mill or welder, but it would open up the possibility. Or at least you could use a ratchet wrench to improve the ergonomics, I nearly threw my back out just watching that lever go round.

Nice video! I would investigate if it’s possible to make a (plastic printed) gearbox where you can attach your battery powered drilling machine and it converts speed to torque, which you can then use as the driver for the shaft on the shredder.

If you look at professional shredders, it is totally different mechanics, blades, blades config and tolerance. It means everything

Hey. I just checked out some chinese companys how they recycle plastics. In general its very simple, the first extrude a thick filament thats than streched and squezed to desired diameter, than that filament runs trough a spinning blade so you get pellets again.

You could print a planetary 1 stage gearbox, the ones from gear down for what have proven to resist huge weights, so you could have a huge reduction and use a small motor

Stefan, you mentioned wood and metal shavings at 09:35. I know some waste processing facilities separate the metals from other materials with a powerful electromagnet, perhaps that's worth a try? The wood shavings might be trickier. You could try submerging these shavings? Maybe the wood shavings will float but the plastic shavings (depends on the plastic type I suppose) will sink?

@CNCKitchen

4 жыл бұрын

Good point.

With all the test prints you do, you probably create more waste than most 3D users. Recycling is the way to go for you.

I'm saving all my failed prints anyway. When I have a few kilos, maybe I'll send it to you.

@Megabobster

4 жыл бұрын

What I've been doing is saving the boxes the filament spools come in and putting scrap/waste back into it. Mixed colors go in with black since it will affect the color less. I've only used PLA so far but mixed materials would likely not be reusable.

@wordreet

4 жыл бұрын

@@Megabobster Oh yeah, I didn't mention that it's all PLA.

@Akyomi777

4 жыл бұрын

@@wordreet also good thing about PLA filament is that its biodegradeable

I'm curious to see the quality of the recycled prints with the pellet extruder, and if there are strength issues compared to the manufactured versions.

One thing you can do is to use a small washing machine motor along with gears to cutdown the heavy work on the motor but make the torch higher.

@CNCKitchen it would be really cool to see you do some materials testing on fresh material and then recycle the material once and repeat the test. Then continue to recycle the material and test to see how the properties are lost over time (or maybe they don't)

Seems you've just moved the consistency requirement further up the chain of operations. A way to avoid having to add a gearbox might be to have a separate manual press to quickly "pre-yield" thicker parts of prints so the grinding force is more even. A bit like one of those recyclable can crushers (but with a much longer lever) where you give potential problem parts a quick crush before tossing them into the bin so the later grinding is less difficult. A crusher with a long handle will be much simpler to make than a gearbox.

Really late response but a quick fix for the metal shaving would be a magnet to sweep through it.

Hi, I'm looking at shredding some fabric which I can then use for stuffing sewn items. This would be fabrics from thin cottons and man mades, through to tougher jeans/demin which can have thick seams. I've been looking at this kinda thing and wonder if you'd have a go with the above material types? It would help ensure I don't buy the wrong thing. Thanks and great video BTW. Paul

here is an idea. if you get a nut attached to the end of the input shaft you can use a large pneumatic impact gun to drive it. pneumatic impact guns can provide up to 1200 ft lbs of torque so it should work.

You need to pelletize the shreded plastic. It makes it easier to manager and mix and also dries it from any moisture it might have caught while laying around.