They finally let the DRK developer come up for air from the cage in the basement

@tobiasisaac6996

2 жыл бұрын

he getting stuffed back down there dont worry

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

This made me laugh

YoshiP actually mentioned Blood Weapon being a stack in live letter. He said one of DRK skill is gonna get a stack-system. It just wasn't translated

No longer comboing on confiteor just means that when req ends you can still do the blade combo even if you missed confiteor. Its for if you miss confiteor because the boss goes untargetable or something during the last part of the req combo. Essentially no mater what causes req to end you can do the blade combo

@OhNoTheFace

2 жыл бұрын

Taking out the melee requirement if things are being annoying, basically

@Timboman2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@OhNoTheFace Melee? If Requiescat is already running you're not required to be in melee (though if you're able to be you should be to build meter via auto attacks). Generally once you're in "Magic Phase" as a PLD you're a fully mobile ranged caster.

@TheGreektrojan

2 жыл бұрын

Its basically fat finger/timing insurance to make sure a missed Confiteor doesn't wreck your DPS as hard on PLD (which already is the lowest DPS tank). Not a major thing but just a QoL for the average PLD player.

@IRedpunk

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes when I’m tired I just spammed the ice AoE skill and got locked out of the blade combo. This is a nice change.

The only weird thing for WHM now is that Aero 2 and Dia are the same spell, but Dia costs more MP.

@malonysaintpierre1599

2 жыл бұрын

mp on lower levels can be weird i guess

@benoitrousseau4137

2 жыл бұрын

Probably unpopular opinion but after this I wish they just increased Aero II's MP cost to 400 and removed Dia, so WHM can use wind spells again. The job was more colorful with elemental spells, and Aero in particular was a nice throwback to Final Fantasy III's white mage/white wizard which had the Aero spells.

@jaydee758

2 жыл бұрын

@@benoitrousseau4137OBJECTION!!!! (Hehehe) Dia is a further throwback to FF1 since that was the first attack spell for white mage..altho back then it only worked on undead..lol

@MyNameIsMir

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydee758 actually, even better, Dia is directly taken from FFXI, where it's not only one of your first spells, but also a pretty good dot that's reduce enemy armour

@jaydee758

2 жыл бұрын

@@MyNameIsMir sadly I've never played 11 -.- but I do enjoy that perfect of trivia all the same :)

The Dancer changes are pretty dope for deep dungeon. No Ability floors really suck when soloing

@Mesarthim

2 жыл бұрын

Those floors are equally terrible on healers, or in my case Sage. My last 151-160 in PoTD run had FOUR no ability floors, massive time loss aside at least the "spam attack" went from 400 mp to 300 mp. I'll still bottom out on mp, but slower! Still a good dancer change though, used that more so in HoH and not Potd. Time was a big struggle at 81+ if luck was terrible.

"Should we untie SAM's mobility to kenki?" "Nah." "How about roll in Ogi Namikiri to Ikkishoten for less button boat?" "Nah." "Well, what about make them use their flashy new iaijutsu more frequently?" "Nah." "Remove kaiten and make it work less with other jobs?" "Fuck yeah."

@anonuser4806

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@ShowMeYaMovez

2 жыл бұрын

They don't know what they're doing over there

@antarath517

2 жыл бұрын

imo the issue IS with litany and chain stratagem, they should provide a smaller buff to crit chance and also provide a buff to crit damage as if you just temporarily have more crit stat There's always gonna be issues otherwise

@CrewDarey

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that when i switched to reaper, that their mobility is NOT tied to a resource. Makes me wonder why samurais is tied to the kenki gauge. Reapers pay no cost for mobility, I give up damage. Seems silly imo

@D-Havoc

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrewDarey Not just RPR, DRG, NIN and MNK. It really is just a SAM issue now.

Removing Kaiten is one thing, but what I actually don't understand is why they haven't adjusted Tenka Goken's damage to compensate for removing Kaiten like they did with Higanbana and Midare. Higanbana got its DoT boosted by 50% (so it's just like a Kaiten version) and I expect Midare to also hit for similarly high numbers if its a guaranteed crit, but not only was Tenka Goken left unchanged, they also dropped down the Kaeshi Goken's damage. Sounds like a not so small nerf to SAM's AoE.

@Skyztamer

2 жыл бұрын

We'll get to save Kenki for extra Kyutens but I don't think the math really works out. Tenka Goken should still get a small potency increase.

@KLGChaos

2 жыл бұрын

From what Balance has been mathing out, we're looking at a 3% nerf to damage and some issues with crit comps. Also, DNC will be ignoring us now. The Kaeshi Goken nerf is the really annoying thing. We can somewhat make up for losing Kaiten on the first Goken by using an extra Kyuten (though it's a slight damage loss). We can't make up for the extra 140 potency loss on Kaeshi, though. So yeah, AoE was nerfed pretty bad there. It's possible they're expecting the buffs of Mangetsu and Oka to make up for it. It seems they want to kill our burst and instead focus on sustained dpsm

@MrTurok999

2 жыл бұрын

@@KLGChaos Which is weird, because Samurai's entire identity is tied to "burst" I.E Iaijustu moves, like it's the most iconic part of the kit.

@scottishboy112

2 жыл бұрын

@@KLGChaos I will say, after playing SAM a little. While the AoE rotation may be nerfed a little, it FEELS a lot better as you don’t have to hold kenki for Kaiten so you can just spin all the time. It does mean that you can no longer accidentally spend the kenki needed but… I think it’s alright. Just need to adjust the numbers a little to compensate for AoE.

I'm so stoked about the DRK changes. The LD heal works out to about 4 GCDs to heal to full, so we'll pretty much always either clear WD ourselves or only need one small oGCD to clear it as long as a buster doesn't line up with a boss going untargetable or something. And the BW change lets us meld for something other than our ping (the Flood nerf is just offsetting the extra potency from having the back half of our AoE combo, they didn't touch Flood of Shadow so the potency change goes away at 74)

@huntermccaskill3938

2 жыл бұрын

Oh crap you're right! That basically means ONLY high-level abilities that was even a little nerfed were doton and expedient

Fully agree with your wildfire statement. I can’t barely see Wildfire when it finishes. Yes the numbers are high but I do wish it was stated as a crit or a BAM!

@Road_to_Dawn

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I’m always looking out for when my Wildfire goes off but I almost always miss it. It kinda makes me wonder if it’s even doing anything lol

Small clarification needed I think. The Ruby Rite et al skills all have a 2.8s cast, but used to have 2.5s recast, which made Swiftcast mandatory if you wanted to play optimally. This meant summoners wouldn't have Swiftcast available for rezes, unless they opted to not do their optimal rotation. The reason they made the recast 3s rather than 2.8s is probably to give summoners a little more of a window for slidecasting though, as you mentioned.

@yabiyabi

2 жыл бұрын

From what I gather from Yoshi-P and his meeting with devs, I don't think summoner was meant to rez initially, but due to being part of scholar it has. I think it was like this. They wanted to consider remove rez, or add for black mage too, but they felt it was unnecessary. What I think they mean to say is, SMN not raising it is okay as it is not their role, but if able it is helpful.

@HyouVizer

2 жыл бұрын

This explains why so many 6.x SMNs rarely rezz if at all anymore, same for RDM too geez. Like a healer dies in a dungeon and they'll just keep casting even after then tank eventually dies .____.

@CryoJnik

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyouVizer nah that's just people being unaware of their surroundings

@DantoriusD

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyouVizer when a Healer dies in a Dungeon that is usually the Problem of the Healer. You cant expect a SMN plays unoptimized and keep his Swiftcast for exact that Situation that a Healer dies. When i have Swiftcast ready sure then ill rezz the Healer but if not that is how much 8?? Seconds of not damaging? On lvl 90 all Tanks has enough tools to keep them alive at their own. As long as you dont screw on Mechanics healing is usually not really necessary in Dungeons.

@AeriFyrein

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like they're making it similar to how Garuda's Slipstream is - it's worth using swiftcast on it during the opener/burst windows to make it fit, but it doesn't actually help otherwise. The extra recast time made the GCD after longer, so using swiftcast for it without needing to was only useful for the extra mobility. The same will now be the case with the Ifrit nukes, so unless swiftcast would allow you to fit it into a burst window, then that means you will normally have it available for either movement or a rez.

Inner Release change also means you can now use Infuriate mid-window, since only FC and Dec use stacks.

@drchocolatetv

2 жыл бұрын

Even better we can cheese knock back mechanics easier like before since we can delay when the buff ends by not using the final stack :)

@banriswirl6414

2 жыл бұрын

@@drchocolatetv knockback immunity is a separate buff now. So when IR ends is no longer relevant.

@drchocolatetv

2 жыл бұрын

@@banriswirl6414 even better xD

@vaan_

2 жыл бұрын

pretty much a 15 second arm's length every minute which just makes the 3 stacks of onslaught even more stupid

@drchocolatetv

2 жыл бұрын

@@vaan_ yup when we got the endwalkers change I was sad because you could cheese alot of mechs with the old IR but with this we should be good

Glad they decoupled the knockback etc. from the stacks of Inner Release. Sucked having to hold it just for the knockback resist.

Us Warriors are breathing very easy now after these patch notes. My beloved Bloodwhetting was spared the nerf bat once again!

@TheGrandRevo

2 жыл бұрын

Hurray! Now the job can remain broken while I go to Sleep as a healer while WAR solo multiplayer content as organically as steroids

@JackgarPrime

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGrandRevo YOU DAMN RIGHT!

Dragoon change is nice cause with shorter high jump and the combined buttons you can now double weave it similar to Nastrond without clipping GCD. Making the weave windows on Dragoon less cluttered is a good thing in my book

Does this mean we're getting the Job VS series soon now that they got adjusted? always loved watching it back in the day.

I really don't understand the kaiten change. It wasn't a culprit in the button bloat problem at all. Not to mention what this does to kenki management (ie removing it entirely). Very strange change.

@jikuuzi6760

2 жыл бұрын

@Quatata Lala tried explaining this so much. Not to mention that certain Kinki related skills are just outside the grasp of casuals. Optimization can come down to converting Sen into Kinki just so your Midare lines up with key dps cool downs or hard dps checks for mechanics. There are rotations with certain skill speeds where you backstep and boss rush just to push a global back. Kaiten didn't add any real complexity to the class that wasn't previously there for the people who cared. I appreciate the people being honest about liking their sword spin but they are usually the people who don't realize they are losing dps from not applying the dot by using Meikyo

@MeoWHamster

2 жыл бұрын

@@jikuuzi6760 dude kaiten was fucking iconic imo it really sucks they removed it. Just feels bland now..

I think having the blade combo proc when requiescat ends vs when you press confiteor is in case you do 5 holy spirits or otherwise miss confiteor, you can still do the blade combos. Before if your req timer expired before getting confiteor off, you also missed out on your blade combo. So you aren't penalized more for missing confiteor (besides missing out on all its damage). I'm curious though of the effect of blade ready goes away after you press another gcd, or if you can use it whenever to move those blade skills. Because technically when you proc the blade combo after pressing req now, you can already wait about 30 sec since it's just like normal combos that last awhile now. You just can't do other gcds between them or the combo will break.

@antarath517

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that's exactly what the change is

@andilus

2 жыл бұрын

Because it’s a buff and not combo dependent, as long as the buff is up you can now hit BoF at any time, regardless of what other buttons you hit in the meantime.

@antarath517

2 жыл бұрын

@@andilus I think it does that as well, but OP is correct in that it ALSO makes missing confiteor much less punishing

@andilus

2 жыл бұрын

@@antarath517 oh! yeah, I totally agree with that point. Didn't mean for it to come across like I thought that wasn't a valid point. I was mainly addressing/clarifying the second half of OP's comment re: 30s for combos vs 30s buff.

@antarath517

2 жыл бұрын

@@andilus Yep sorry for that! Yeah I'm pretty sure it means you can do stuff in between and not break too

It would be super cool if there was markers for the diffrent classes

Did you notice that whm changes made aero 2 better than dia? Making it more efficient in MP and having the same damage.

For the healer MP cost changes, I would imagine this is specifically to help with low-level MP management. The affected spells are all ones you pick up before getting things like Thin Air or Aetherflow, not to mention all the off-global healing options. Having more MP available to cast GCD heals, especially the expensive ones that WHM and SCH run on, is going to be an absolute blessing when all you've got for sustain is Lucid Dreaming.

@ShardtheWolf

2 жыл бұрын

You also get lucid earlier, so a rez won't blow your mana out

@arof7605

2 жыл бұрын

Low level CNJ ran oom in about 2-3 minutes just casting. Like, you had to just stop dpsing if you were doing a low level boss fate and healing someone else with cure 1s. One day they'll fix that healers are the only job capable of running out of basic resources just pressing "attack" (in non MMO FF terms) and balance healing accordingly, but sadly my dream of 300 mana dps spells in 6.1 is dead.

whm is definitely gonna feel nice with lily spells feeling more usable and having them more often, thats gonna translate into better mp economy as well. 10/10

The changes to lilies made me a happy WHM main ... You can cast misery every minute ... and now you want to go for misery even after using 1 lily gcd heal .. since now it become a DPS gain, even if you drop 3 glares ... while previously you would need 2 actual heals to for it to be DPS positive ... And since now you want to drop glares in favor of lillies, since misery is now DPS neutral ... you will be saving mana ... That and with now being able to use bell as a heal bomb actively is another positive change Lest see how much of a difference it makes

@DantoriusD

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah WHM is definitly the Big Winner of the 6.1 Patchnotes. Still would prefer Lilies would be ogcd's with lesser Misery dmg but hey now i can happy live with DPS Neutral instead of DPS loss.

Oh, for pitch perfect, you always have the option of putting minuet on both your minuet button and your old pitch perfect button. Good for muscle memory, bad for button bloat. I actually do that with fan dance 3 so that I can more easily hit it regardless of whether it procced from a ST or aoe.

For the doton change its only a 80 potency difference so it was a slight nerf unfortunately but shouldnt matter anymore since its only gonna be used in dungeons from now on

for dancer would that mean that every dance step would add to the blade dance gauge?? haven’t seen anybody talk about that

the changes to the lilies and afflatus misery will make it net positive for dps despite being net neutral for potency. with lilies charging in 20 seconds, you can guarantee a misery cast during every even and odd minute burst window, meaning you'll get whatever associated buffs your party comp has during those bursts in addition to the extra potency and increased number of casts per pull of the skill itself. So overall, more dps for white mages over the course of a fight.

Oh Twelve, thank you. I hated playing Sage more than normal when healing a main DRK Tank. At least with SCH I could spam my aetherflow cures to try to save a Living Dead DRK but now at least he can help pull his butt out of the fire.

these are the thoughts that I've been waiting for ... thanks Haps!!

As a DRK main, these patch notes made me very happy. I can take away a fair few of my skill speed materia now that Blood Weapon is stacks and Living Death isnt an "avoid until absolutely nessicary" button. if anything its worth casting on big pulls in dungeons just for the huge curing effect from AOE's. Its no blood letting, but closest they'll get to it. And all for the low low cost of 30 potency off one of my ranged attacks? I'll take that.

Kinda makes me want to try Stone sea sky for Shadowbringers again to see my dps

Kaiten being gone is the last feeling of that machinist reload gone from the game for me. Feelsbadman.

“It took a few years” 7 LONG YEARS AAAAAAAAAA- a retired Drk main

What is that skeletal pvp armor and how is it obtained? Is it a seasonal pvp event thing tied to the collars, is that the reward for being top 100, or is it reward for playing a certain amount of time period until another patch?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't dancer's dance skills being categorized as weaponskills make them now scale with skill speed? Could this be a potential benefit to dancers, to get your dances more frequently?

@AoyanagiChisa

2 жыл бұрын

yes they do but since tech step is raid buff u wanna keep it 2min to align with other raid buffs...

We're not sure yet what the full scope of the LD change is. It says that the lifesteal is on living dead (so before you "die" and go into walking dead). It doesn't say that the lifesteal continues into those other two statuses, but I'm hoping it does. Even without the healing, undead rebirth would have a small reason to exist in that you wouldn't be screwed if a WHM benes you before the second tankbuster hit and removes your invuln.

@GayLPer

2 жыл бұрын

It would make no sense if it didn't

Great work as usual.

Wait, if inner release only applies to Fellcleave and decimate, wouldn't that mean you can't use it with Lost Slash in bozja anymore? D:

There is so much stuff they could have done to Samurai to fight button bloat, without removing Kaiten: - Ikishoten could change into Oki Namikiri on use - Jaijutsu could change into Tsubame-Gaeshi on use - Combine Shoha and Shoha 2 and have Meditate change into Shoha+Shoha 2 upon reaching 3 Meditation stacks - Slightly increase Shinten potency and remove Senei - Slightly increase Kyuten potency and remove Guren These would be 6 less buttons without the need to remove kaiten

Sch mains: no give it back that was ours we earned that speed

As a Mch Main, im happy to see the pot buffs. but Yea hypercharge moving to a stack rather than a timer would be amazing.

Ifrit casts forced you to hard clip. That’s why the increased recast

@silvinity4939

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently he also mentioned during the live letter reading that it was to discourage using swift cast on the ruby skills so it could be saved for raise or something.

@archmagemc3561

2 жыл бұрын

@@silvinity4939 Good, it felt weird using it in my rotation for a dps increase.

ONE BRINGS SHADOW ONE BRINGS THE LIGHT LIVING DEAD HEALING WONT PUT YOU OUT OF THE FIGHT

How about a challenge log entry for bozja

Will edge/flood of shadow heal under the walking dead effect now? I assume not because they're ogcd

Does this mean whm will heal again in PF?

Machinist is Good for Savage and Ultimate Prog patch 6.1 Gives Machinist Roughly 2.4-3% dmg/potency buff The AOES remain unaffected sadly and wild fire is an auto proc it detonates automatically when the timer expires and its the same with the Drone and the Robot The more weapon skills that you do and they land a hit or a Crit during wild fire the more DMG wild fire Does when it explodes which also make a Bigger Explosion and well Wild fire is the Machinist Skill Spam Phase you spam as many skills as you can during the Wild fire timer to make a Bigger Boom when the timer expires i have Been playing Machinist for over a year now im still working out the kinks of it i fell in love with the class and im not gonna change it anytime soon

as a MCH lover, i would LOVE to see Wildfire just give more visual OOMPH, i usually see the decent, albeit tiny, number scroll by, but i agree, make it always direct crit, adjust potency accordingly, but make that shit POP

That "Wanderer's Minuet now changes to Pitch Perfect" thing bugged me at first, until I realized I can just put another Wanderer's Minuet where my Pitch Perfect currently is lol.

Funny thing, Aero 2 and Dia do the same amount of damage, so now Dia is a direct nerf over Aero 2. And you cant change it.

@NeoZhinzo

2 жыл бұрын

A nerf how?

@xenikos99

2 жыл бұрын

@@NeoZhinzo More mana

@althelor

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenikos99 granted I haven't gotten whm up to max yet, but isn't the consensus that at higher levels, mp cost is not really a problem for whm since they have a lot of tools to either make casts free or regen their mana?

Sterwart Soul being lvl 40 is something i wished happened for so long man, it fucking sucked so bad to lvl DRK because i only had 1 AOE to use in dungeons when all the other tanks got their 2 AOE waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier.

13:36 My reaction here was "Huh!? This exists!?" Dotting up two long living mobs or bosses, I guess. Maybe Hansel and Gretel. But yeah. Never even thought about this move before.

Do the paladin changes mean that the magic combo is now off the GCD?

@thebigandlazyguy246

2 жыл бұрын

No

I don't understand, Glare isn't on the patch notes. So it's not getting its mana reduced to 200 like all the earths?

@shaynecollier2175

2 жыл бұрын

It's to help healers with mana management at low levels when you don't have anything besides Lucid Dreaming. Take WHM for example. Later levels evels you have lilies and Assize in addition to LD.

I'm not one to complain about animations going away and I don't have any attachment to kaiten but I personally think shoha stuff and Guren/senai should have been on the chopping block before kaiten. Also wouldn't have minded kaiten becoming more used in combos not just midare

the issue with what they did to Samurai isn't Samurai itself (yeah it got F**KED) its the opening of the floodgates for ALL jobs with high potency skills, sure Samurai is a pure DPS Job and Machinist has reassemble, but what of Gunbreakers Double Down and Blasting Zone, one is 1,200 potency the other 700, missing a critical hit on those is HUGE, Double Down with no buffs, non crit for me is 19k, Critical is 29k and finally Direct Critical is 34.5k. this is INSANELY huge ranges, i get that tanks are not dps, and it does not bother AS MUCH as it would on a DPS, it still sucks knowing that if i dont crit on my hardest hitter, im losing a fair amount of damage, but that's not what I see in the community, I guarantee that people who main other jobs with high potency attacks will feel shafted by this

As a fellow Bard main I'll just be putting a second WM on my hotbar where I used to have Pitch Perfect xD easier than retraining muscle memory

I think my issue with samurai is that midare just doesn't feel impactful anymore. It used to be this big hit even it it didn't crit, now it crits as much as a normal hit did before. The damage ceiling seems to have been lowered significantly. It also feels counterintuitive to substantially nerf the interaction with crit buffs after pushing a 2 min CD meta super heavily in EW. Not to mention the aoe not getting the guaranteed crits in addition to the new goken aoe animation looking horrible.

@no.xivxion4352

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Auto crit does nothing if the potencies aren't high enough. They are not high enough. I'm critting for 20k when I used to hit 30-35k. Straight up feels terrible.

Overall changes are pretty cool. Paladin definitely a winner here. Drk looks better, blood weapon *its been 84 years* finally has charges, aoe combo finally being earlier is great. War no longer coneing things which I didn't have problem but a good change, IR change TY! Lol I'm mixed on samurai changes but really need to play with it. I might go back to dragoon lmao I don't healer much but whm and sage looks good

The Blood Weapon stacks seem like an expected change after Delirium

MCH potency buffs aren't enough. The job is actually the worst physical ranged on any possible metric you pick. It has the lowest damage, it has the worst utility, it has anti-synergistic rotation with party buffs, it has ping problems, it's the least mobile ranged class. There's nothing good about it and it hurts my soul they didn't mention anything about it.

@Kurnaxs

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, I'm a MCH main as well. It's basically just my story prog class rn. Using RDM/ and SAM in Savage content. I just hope they'll reevaluate the class in the near future.

@TheGrandRevo

2 жыл бұрын

Not interested in doing world first, not interesting in doing savage. Therefore “worst job” situations on a game where very very few instances hardly make DPS vital is irrelevant unless the job itself plays poorly, in this case MCH still Sucks

@OhNoTheFace

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, was basically a huge middle finger

@Wicca_P

2 жыл бұрын

yeah the increase is like 2.4% where we were like 5-6% behind bard and dancer, so we werent even given enough of a buff to put us inline with other ranged physical

Just a note on the SMN's Ruby spell changes. The cast time for all of those spells is actually 2.8s instead of 2.5 like most spells, so before this they all had a cast time of 2.8 with a recast time of 2.5 so the recast changes just bring the GCD more inline with the cast time. Also Afflatus Misery isn't just DPS neutral, it should a DPS GAIN now. You're effectively getting 1 extra Glare III cast in potency (1240/310=4) (Edit: nah I'm wrong about Misery. Can't count lol)

@omegasrevenge

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's DPS neutral, because the Misery itself also takes up a GCD that you could have used Glare in. So 3x Lily + 1x Misery cast = 4 Glares.

@fatmatt589

2 жыл бұрын

Misery being 1240 potency is DPS neutral. Using Misery takes 4 GCDs to use, 3 to build it up, and then 1 more to cast Misery. Glare III is 310 potency. 4 x 310 = 1240.

@Senah_

2 жыл бұрын

3 Solace/Rapture + 1 Misery would be 4 GCDs

@YumiGoblin

2 жыл бұрын

Y'all are right about Misery. I can't count 😂😂😂

@jeffphoton

2 жыл бұрын

It technically is a DPS gain assuming the Misery is under party buffs but none of the Solace/Rapture are

The DRK job guide page has me a little worried about the lifesteal because it could just apply to Living Dead and not Walking Dead, but Walking Dead and Undead Rebirth aren't listed as additional effects and just later forms of living dead.

They want mch skillcap to be actually quantifiable: 20ms>150ms. So when you're recruiting them you don't ask "know mechanics?" you ask "Ping?"

Still not sure if im going to swtich back to DRK from WAR. Glad they finally came around on Bloodweapon and Living dead. I'm sure the theorycrafters will work it out if this is going to be a good change or not. My two cents, not enough changes for me to swtich from the better tank.

@NoOne-us9xv

2 жыл бұрын

"better tank" lmao. Easier tank, yes. Better? DRK does significantly more damage than WAR does, while still having enough survivability to get through any 4 or 8 man content currently in the game (anyone who tells you otherwise is just bad at juggling mitigations, and doesn't understand the concept of shields being effective HP gain). Everything in this game ultimately gets reduced down to DPS, because the more comfortable you are doing any content, the less of a buffer you need. At that point, efficiency begins to matter so much more. If you'd just rather play WAR than DRK, that's your choice, but to say it's the "better" tank is pretty silly.

@cabellism

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoOne-us9xv True to that, it is better my eyes.

omg 3 stacks of addersing on entry? That's so nice actually I can stop casting eukrasian diagnosis or whatever on tanks and me to get the stacks for movement casts.

As a machinist all I ask is make wildfire explosion more grander!

@snowdrifter6187

2 жыл бұрын

Upgrade that bad boy to a block of c 4

@vaan_

2 жыл бұрын

have the explosion be a mini nuke on the target (which also does falloff aoe damage)

@SILVERONIN

2 жыл бұрын

Yes just go full Michael Bay on the arena lol god damn it Yoshi

@TheGrandRevo

2 жыл бұрын

Pressing any button 5 fucking times in a row every 20 or so seconds will never be fun to do even if the visual goes hard

@vaan_

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGrandRevo that's hypercharge, we're talking about wildfire lol

If he thought the PvE changes are spicy, wait till he checks out the PvP ones. lol. Overall pretty solid upgrades, especially WHM.

@silxer3154

2 жыл бұрын

I'm super interested in the PvP changes, I already enjoyed PvP before these changes are going to change how ALL the gamemodes (Frontlines, and of course Crystal Conflict and Rival Wings when that returns) play now. I'm looking forward to trying out the spicy new changes to the jobs.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

The pvp changes look very cool

@MatthewKorpas

2 жыл бұрын

@@silxer3154 Yeah man, it's looking fantastic!

Those NIN changes reeeaally rub me the wrong way :D We're talking about 8+ years of muscle memory here... muscle memory of randomly using Mug, while weaving! ... also remember when Bhavacakra was NIN's strongest attack during Stormblood? lol

@Pachiku93

2 жыл бұрын

Feel the same, I'm used to the 1 minute burst, I'm not sure how we will incorporate the mug buff to it. It will either desynch mug from trick attack or change ninki generation.

That's nice I fat finger constantly and always end up using a pb.

perhaps im tripping but was redmage up there?

@GayLPer

2 жыл бұрын

Backflip animation speed buff

What MCH needs is the removal of relying on duration skills to dps as server ping is *kind of* an issue. Maybe change from "here's a few seconds to spam a button" into "you now have x ogcd button presses"

@Shiirow

2 жыл бұрын

so give them charges to expend instead of a countdown clock?

@inoob26

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shiirow yeah, and since they are OGCDs you kinda weave them anyway and it is at least more consistent this way (well cant be more consistent than 100% consistency)

as a sam main i'm also waiting for my in game opinion but not super thrilled with the patch note numbers

I am sorry to all MCH bros we didnt get our hypercharge change among other things..

@kidhavii

2 жыл бұрын

T_T they’re being stubborn.

@rayyanchile8728

2 жыл бұрын

I still want them to adjust auto crossbow and make it recharge ricochet :(

@SILVERONIN

2 жыл бұрын

I just want a bigger explosion effect from wildfire

@deweyp713

2 жыл бұрын

They buffed heatblast

So sage can start doing the deeps straight out the gate in a instance

Here's a sprinkle of WHM salt. Unless something else has changed, Aero II and Dia I are the exact same skill, except Aero II costs less MP than the 'upgrade'. It's great.

@manwithnoname4346

2 жыл бұрын

The reason for that is that the Lily system comes online to make up for the extra mp cost. It's the same reason that the Stone skills have a lower mp cost than the Glare skills. So you're expected to cast 0 MP Lily skills instead of just spamming Glare and Dia.

@Deuzen_FIN

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the WHM damage spell costs are weird. Although I suppose with the change to Misery and the lily timer you can use that more reliably as a mana-saving damage tool.

@D-Havoc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deuzen_FIN Because WHM doesn't have additional MP refresh tools like Aetherflow, Energy Drain, Draw or Addersgall. It makes perfect sense to reduce the cost if they aren't going to get any MP refresh abilities at those levels.

@bflaxman92

2 жыл бұрын

On the surface, it is incredibly stupid. But with the lily changes, I don’t even care lol.

@Deuzen_FIN

2 жыл бұрын

@@D-Havoc An interesting viewpoint, and one I hadn't really considered. I'm not sure if I fully agree with the idea, but it does make more sense when put like this.

I am very excited to see the WHM changes in action. The Asylum change isn't a big deal for me though. xD If folks dont wanna stand in it.. Well then they are second priority in my mind and I'll heal em when I'm done healing everyone else in the bubble. :)

Forgive my ignorance, but how does lower level mp cost reductions help me at level 90? When those spells still cost the same amount

@PurpleAlzir

2 жыл бұрын

It is for the lower level experience before lilies are DPS neutral and other MP management is available

@silmarilion2667

2 жыл бұрын

@@PurpleAlzir it's interesting cuz I run out of mp more at 90 than anything else lol

I really enjoyed Kaiten and hate that they removed it. SAM gameplay was fine. Why dumb it down?

@TheGrandRevo

2 жыл бұрын

Player base is dum, they’ve been reducing the gameplay since SB. At this point we just need to guess who’s next? BRD’s dots? Mudras being removed? MP being removed? Take a guess

as a DRK main since late HW. they gave me the one change i wanted for years on LD, im honestly happy with what i got and i can't really ask for more since im the crazy minority that thinks DRK is fine as is in terms of defense

@javilink

2 жыл бұрын

personally, I always thought that LD could never be "fixed" no matter what they did, I even thought they'd replace it entirely with something else...they pulled it

@grimhellscythe6998

2 жыл бұрын

@@javilink nah LD all it ever needed was for it to not vanish once being healed to full and either give life steal or convalesence

@CedricBassman

2 жыл бұрын

As a fellow DRK main i agree for the most part. LD is awesome now, they pulled it off. Sure defense wise DRK could always use a bit. TBN just feels weak on 90 compared to the other Mitigation spells who got so much love. This extra button we got for no reason with 10% dmg reduction (seriously wtf) just delete the Ability and slap that shit on TBN, that would be fine. Or some form of self heal. Seriously apart from one AOE with a 60 sec CD DRK has zero ability to self heal (standard combo doesn't count, every Tank has healing on that and it's pretty neglectible). Every other Tank has at least one form of self heal, FFS Warrior and Palas are basically healers in a plate trenchcoat now.

@Nytrusdeathcyde

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimhellscythe6998 so is ld still u use it and it makes u die?

@grimhellscythe6998

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nytrusdeathcyde if you do not get healed to 100% you still die. but if you do then you get a new buff that lets you keep the invuln

Even though I'm not a WHM player, I am so happy to see the WHM changes. I think WHM is still in a position where it doesn't offer any sort of advantage or niche over any of the other healers, but the lily change is like a storm after a drought. Before, WHM had so few OGCD heals in comparison to the other healers that it would lose out on a significant amount of GCD offense over the course of a harder fight and fall behind everyone else in both damage and healing. Not only can they now keep up with healing now, but it's going to feel so much better using lilies as they were intended (mostly). I think there are a few things that can still be ironed out with the lilies, but it's such a positive change. And I hope that means we might slowly see improvements to healer gameplay leading up to and with the launch of 7.0. I'm also hoping we eventually see more improvements to Addersting in a future patch, but we'll just have to see what happens.

@DracoSuave

2 жыл бұрын

The WHM's cohealer is the real winner of this change.

@Pikachu-qr4yb

2 жыл бұрын

It would be nice if we could use Addersting stacks to apply a small buff or debuff just so it has SOME other use than to gap your ABC rotation when mobile

@Deuzen_FIN

2 жыл бұрын

I find it a bit weird that they only reduced MP costs for lower level damage spells, while leaving Stone 4, Glare and Dia the same (and even nerfing potency on Stone 4). I guess the idea was to push people to rely more on Misery for DPS, as it can now be cast more often and requires no MP.

@vaan_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deuzen_FIN yeah, before shadowbringers content you don't have misery so you dont have anything to refund lily usage 12800 MP saved over a 8 minute fight pretty much solves all mp issues

@TraumaFox

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deuzen_FIN This is extra hilarious because Aero II having the same potency and duration as Dia means unlocking Dia literally just doubles the MP cost of your DoT and nothing else.

Blood weapon is cool. Living Dead saving the invuln after heal is perfect. Still wanted some healing on the mitgation. And seperate cooldowns on carve and the AOE. Still pretty neat. I step forward though

the samurai patch doesnt mention anything about kenki gain or cost changes... that means by removing kaiten u got tons of shintens to be added... i guess that's why they reduce shinten's potency...

@seajay7944

2 жыл бұрын

It's gonna be our most used ability, even more used than our combo starter. It's also going to be 11% of our overall damage, up from 6%. Incredibly boring...

May I ask what the point of having additional blood weapon stacks is besides more dps? Because right now I've been hearing lots about sustainment/squishyness and job being boring with no word about dps being an issue. (my complaints joining sustainment)

@SirSabzZa

2 жыл бұрын

It couldnt land 5 GCDs withint 10 seconds easily before because of clipping buffs, its change is so it can guarantee the 5 gcds.

@starlitghost

2 жыл бұрын

consumable stacks instead of a timed buff window makes it much more friendly to high ping (hopefully MCH hypercharge/wildfire gets the same change eventually)

@nonemitigation

2 жыл бұрын

it's not squishy in any relevant raids where this balance matters, people just think it is because the average player only ever does dungeons where a different kind of mitigation profile is better. it's the same reason everyone says warrior's mitigation is OP because of bloodwhetting, when bloodwhetting on a single target is actually kind of underwhelming

@louiskusters9452

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of DRK players have been asking for this change for forever. Right now it's very hard to get 5 GCDs into one Blood Weapon window. Now they changed it so it's always guaranteed.

@SirSabzZa

2 жыл бұрын

@@starlitghost Even high ping you have what? 2.5 seconds breathing room? If you have 2500 ping you probably shouldn't be playing raids anyway

For DRK i wish they would have given them a mini TBN at like level 30 something with an upgrade every couple of levels maybe start at 10% and get traits up to the 25% at level 70. But yeh nice changes overall to DRK to make it feel a bit better.

@AzemSP

2 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely, it’s so stupid DRK doesn’t have a short mitigation CD until 70

@cabellism

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzemSP im sorry i still find TBN costing mp vs the other tanks 25sec CD's being free and better is just a slap in the face. These are just bandaid fixs

@GayLPer

2 жыл бұрын

@@cabellism TBN is DRK version of Clemency but better, it makes sense that it would cost MP

@cabellism

2 жыл бұрын

@@GayLPer Yeah i kinda see it like that. Does it provide about as much health as heal from that would? i havnt touched PLD in a min.

@Healer0079a

2 жыл бұрын

@@cabellism PLD heal is 1000 potency now I think. But is instant under req so take that as you will I suppose.

Dark? We eating good. Sage? We eating good. White? We eating good. feels good

Summoner balance discord has been flipping out all day about these changes with swift cast now being shifted to likely being use for Garuda instead.

@DantoriusD

2 жыл бұрын

Wait whoot? Why you would use swift for Garuda? (Exept to snapshot the First Slipstream into Pot Window for the Opener) Slipstream was always 3sec cast and 3.5 recast. So aside of movement no really need for Swiftcast Slipstream. Same goes for Ruby rite now....Aside of movement smn has no use for Swiftcast anymore

Love the Pally changes but we need more potency for blade combo

@sethharrison2284

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t expecting a healing buff, not gonna complain, but just think it wasn’t necessary. Rather would have had a damage potency buff

@kcmccray5686

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethharrison2284 TBN an Oblation is still garbage.

Kinda wanna go back to mY whm

Yayuh!

I am a bit disappointed about kaiten. I'd understand if it had no cost, but it did and factored into kenki management. It wasn't difficult or anything, but it was nice to have something to think about. Same reason I was disappointed when upheaval was taken off beast gauge.

@anonuser4806

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you man, I had the same feelings when Enochian on BLM was made a passive. Like I get why they did it, but still, I'd much prefer if they didn't turn Enochian into a passive.

@Deuzen_FIN

2 жыл бұрын

I'd've been fine with them removing Kaiten, what with the auto-crit on Setsugekka... but I do not understand the logic behind reducing potency on the non-Setsugekka Kaeshi. It turns the whole thing from just a button bloat reduction into actual damage loss. (Although I suppose the buffs to all the other abilities offset that somewhat)

@axis1247

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deuzen_FIN you lost 3 damage on average outside of crit comps.

@Deuzen_FIN

2 жыл бұрын

@@axis1247 That may very well be; I was only going off second-hand info. I'll not cry murder over 3 damage though.

I feel annoyed at the MCH changes, doesn't feel like enough to overtake BRD. Also feels weak compared to the SMN buffs DRK needed a change to Abyssal Drain/ Carve and Spit for more self healing

@XGab1X

2 жыл бұрын

DRK isnt about self healing its about pure mitigation. The best GNB DRK combo you can see the DRK using less often TBN Then Heart of corundum and still mitigate more with it. You can go check by yourself on fflog if you want :).

@aliasonarcotics

2 жыл бұрын

the smn ‘buff’ is about as big as a rounding error lol. damage increase but also a longer cast time. it balances out to be a 3potency per second increase on an ability you can only use twice every minute. yes, a whole 3 potency smn hasn’t moved an inch forward. this change was just to stop smns from using swift cast on ruby rite and not an actual improvement

@AbyssArray

2 жыл бұрын

"optimal" SMN loses a bit of dmg from what I understand, but now they can use Swiftcast as they see fit It's a very minor change overall

The conflagration on the forum’s ECLIPSES THE STARS

Overall, I think these changes are really really good with the biggest winner probably being Paladin who continues to get all the QoL love. Dark Knight is actually looking a lot better in that they can actually use their invuln now and legitimately expect to survive with my only gripes being that TBN is still not the greatest skill as compared to the other tank's abilities and they still lack self-sustain whereas Paladin got even MORE self-sustain. Sage getting some surprising QoL is also pretty cool but begs the question why they STILL won't put MCH heat blasts on a charge system like every other job in the game at this point. The potency increases for MCH look very promising but if they'd ONLY make this one additional change I think people would really come around to playing the job more.

@celuiquipeut6527

2 жыл бұрын

The whole premice of the job is life leech. They use to have "too m7ch" so they lowered it. Now all tank job self suatain more than DRk. Just let the DRK heal a % of the damage you deal up to a max % of your hp on all attacks. Like any other drk do in the other ff.

In dungeons I always liked to Doton + Hide so I can have an extra Katon to cast. Sad about that 😔

Me a casual paladin: right on lemme just help out the healer some more :)

Blood Weapon stacks but no Hypercharge stacks for the DPS that needs it the most :/ the SAM changes dont get me excited at all. Tank changes are nice tho. Bittersweet patch overall

@GayLPer

2 жыл бұрын

I do sincerely hope MCH gets hypercharge stacks soon

It's sad seeing MCH not getting the charges on Hypercharge since it's basically mandatory for me to be using a vpn to comfortably play it as it is now. No other Jobs are like this with the 6.1 changes, so all this does is make me not want to play MCH anymore since I'd rather not be paying an extra monthly fee for a single Job. I had a feeling they weren't gonna address the AST button bloat, but until they do I doubt I'll play it much. Playing it with a controller feels bad to me. I still won't be taking DRK into any dungeons, trial/raids sure, but not dungeons. WAR's ridiculous self-sustain didn't get nerfed at all so it'd feel like I'm trolling the rest of the party if I brought any other tank. I only now realize it's the Jobs introduced in Heavensward that seem to have all the problems, for me anyway.

I can finally play as DRK again yay

DRK still sucks at pulling big especially w2w in dungeons, but i can live with that. these changes are so much better.

This guy always knows how drag the absolute fuck out of his videos.