Run sram NX on my enduro bike for 2 years and changed to the deore last year and Sram nx falls apart after 3-5 months. Deore holds up still after 1 year. Its more reliable and it is a much better experience right form the start as the NX.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

Glad you’re stoked on your new setup, thanks for sharing!

@ReindeerBork

5 ай бұрын

This is the issue with sram drives, they actually feel amazing but they are super cheaply built.

The advent X is a no brainer, it's such a good unit for the price

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

For sure!! Though for just $40 more I think I’d personally opt for Deore. But I’ve spent a lot of time on Advent X in the past and really enjoyed it!

@EnclaveDesigns

10 күн бұрын

@@99spokes They perform so well! Never once had an issue with my Advant X

I feel the Advent should get a bit higher on the maintenance score. As someone that rebuilds these worn out and resells them as a hobby. I don’t see many Advents at all but when I get one they are pretty easy to replace the clutch parts in. Also had a good chuckle when he said pounds instead of grams.

@99spokes

2 күн бұрын

Right on, thanks for sharing your experience with working on those!

I run Advent X after almost 40 years of running XT. Nuff said.

@99spokes

2 ай бұрын

Nice! Now the real question, would you buy AdventX again?

@user-il5pb9ks9s

2 ай бұрын

@@99spokes yes.. As a matter of fact I equipped my salsa Journeyer with Acolyte.

Deore proven tested durablity since produced by shimano..

I use Deore M6100 SGS, super shifting as long as I lube the pivots, for that I use Muc Off MO95, I've not tried the shifter as I run Archer D1XTrail electronic system.I opted for Deore cus I knew the clutch would work well, and I can replace it, it's cheap, especially on the deals I got it for.

I see Advent X wins. Add $20 for the cassette

5:52 If I'm not mistaken. It's due to the the mounting to the RD hanger, it has play, which can effect shifting, but you can swap out the parts for the parts the higher end models use. And of course not having an adjustable(according to the internet) and replaceable clutch. So would be nice if you showed the clutch adjustment, that it actually does something. As every time I see someone asking if it's adjustable people reply that it's not. Some write Clutch Type 2 is adjustable but Type 3 is not. But that's a complaint about all of them. But Sram SX on the other hand, has plastic part at the rear with no cable guide wheel, and wood screws, so this fails.

Why didn't you give the Deore a score of 5 when it is the lightest among the three? 40 g is really unnoticeable but still, Deore was the lightest.

@99spokes

3 ай бұрын

Haha because of exactly what you said, 40 grams is the difference of a few sips of water out of your bottle, nothing that will be noticeable

@LJdynamo2024

3 ай бұрын

​​@@99spokes Bro even if it's 40g it's still lighter and it matters for some people. Some xc riders I know even swap there bolts for a lighter one even if it's 6grams or even 2 grams lighter, even the slightest gram savings they do it...40g is really small but still it will contribute to the overall lightness/weight of your bike.

@ev-ezaye3580

Ай бұрын

​@@LJdynamo2024Not... how engrossed you must be to notice your bicycle being 40g heavier! You're like the Princess and the 🫛

@Wings_of_foam

Ай бұрын

@@LJdynamo2024 I hope those people take a sh*t before they go riding.

@LJdynamo2024

16 күн бұрын

@@ev-ezaye3580 not me, not my bike. The bike I own is 11400kilos and it's inexpensive. As stated in my comment above, "some XC racers I know" These people you might call Weight Winnies are in cat elite or higher at least in our place and theyd swap anything just to lighten up their bikes.

Great video! Is this the version 2 advent x rear derailleur?

@99spokes

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! It’s the version 1, those version to derailleurs are still pretty hard to come by!

Great review, the only thing that I’m not quite sure of is that I didn’t hear you mention what chain you used with each group set.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

Good call! I used a Deore and NX for each of those and a 10 speed KMC chain for the Advent X

Some people don’t like sram because of the feel, I actually also much prefer the sram shift feel, but I still change any bike with Sram to Shimano because Sram is unreliable. I’ve never had one that didn’t eventually wear out the fixing bolt and the cassette is just not quiet or consistent (compared to Shimano). My friend has been warrantied an SX and was upgraded to NX, then had to warranty the NX and was upgraded to GX and eventually that one wore out also… meanwhile my SLX and Deore drivetrains have been 100%. I’ve also had a NX and a GX and they’re trash other than the first week.

@AG-Consulting

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%, I love the feeling of an SRAM, but they do wear out quite fast. Unless you step up to an AXS and preferably the X01 made for Enduro or even the AXS GX, those are very well built. Except, of course, your ultra-expensive cassette are still going to wear down faster than a Shimano.

I had SX and NX on bikes I bought not terrible when new and adjusted but derailleurs always came out of wack, it's not that fair since I'm coming from xt/xtr but I appreciate the sram clicky shifter, I now use a 12s 1:1 sram xo shifter with my TRP tr12 Gspec derailleur...

@99spokes

3 ай бұрын

Nice! How is that working for you?

I have tried the microshift advent 9 speed as well as the deore drivetrain and I have to say, the deore feels way better if you combine it with an xt shifter. Way more responsive and crisp but still smooth. Also I can say something about the microshift clutch in longterm use. My clutch started to rust a bit after exposing it to extreme situations in winter. It's as good as new after disassembling and re greasing everything but something I came across.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

Yep, that XT shifter makes a huge difference, I love double tapping up gears! And good to know about the cassette, thanks for sharing!

10:02 My Deore M6500 was at ca 600G, not sure on exact number the exact number 605 or maybe. Maybe my scale is not correct. But Garbaruk was around half of the weight at around 300g. But it is not a budget cassette, but cheaper and lighter than top offerings from Sram and Shimano, shifting is not as smooth when new, but after it wears in it's quite similar. So that's price directly from them, with added value tax and shipping, yes still cheaper.

Is the noise normal with the clutch activated when stretching the derailleur in advent derailleur?

@99spokes

2 күн бұрын

The ratcheting noise? Yes, the MicroSHIFT clutch uses a pawl system and that’s what you’re hearing

My thinking is that although Deore might be the best option it could depend on the model / generation. I own a Kona Cinder Cone 2022 that features a Deore rear derailleur (standard from the bike manufacturer) and I am facing poor shifting and noises even if I am not riding so hard and although I have been through adjusting by shop specialists and chain checking result was OK. I saw that even new, out of the box Deore shifter (RD-M5100) has a side movement not acceptable which makes shifting imprecise.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

That could very well be! We tested their 12 speed setup (M6100)

I enjoyed your run down on mid priced drivetrains in the market. The big difference between these drivetrains isn't noticed in the first few rides though. They all are pretty decent right out of the box. It's after a year of hard use where issues show up. I've known more than one rider where an NX derailleur died after only several months and usually it's the clutch that goes. You mentioned SRAM's SX and its even worse. One local shop won't even sell any SX equipped bikes or components because they're so unreliable. Also I have two bikes one with Advent X and the other with Deore 12-speed on them and the difference in shifting performance is much better on the Shimano. This is what really matters the most, way more than a few grams or the way the clutch disengages. I disagree that more gears is not an advantage and certainly the cassette range is a tangible advantage (10-51T vs. 11-48T) that was not highlighted.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

As a one-man team it’s pretty tough for me to crank out long term reviews, but I agree that would have been ideal!

@jasonsheridan6222

6 ай бұрын

@@99spokes That's totally understandable, it would be a huge undertaking to try to long term test all 3 of these until failure was a possibility. Keep up the great content!

@AG-Consulting

2 ай бұрын

Our LBS will automatically replace the SRAM SX that used to come on Trek Marlin with NX if you had any problems.

I HAVE A TREK MARLIN 8 2022 SHRAM 12×1 ..WHEN ITS CLEAN AND OILED AND AJUSTED CORECT ,IT WORKS GREAT WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL ..MY CHAIN NEVER HAS FALEN OFF EVEN GOING REALLY FAST OVER REALY CHUNKY TRAILS ..IM SHURE THERE ARE BETTER ,BUT REALLY UNLESS YOU ARE PROFESIONAL YOU DONT NEED ANYTHING BETTER🚲👍

@EFLO3D

3 ай бұрын

OKAY

Microshift is solid for what u pay.. deore is bomb proof never had the sram nx

@99spokes

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, they’re definitely all pretty dialed! As Deore grows increasingly inexpensive it makes it an easier pick for me!

@Whyusadd

3 ай бұрын

I had a 9 speed Micro shift and then got a newer bike with deore and shifting feels better with Shimano. i run Xt now which is on another level, but surprising how they are cheap now compared to high end sram components.@@99spokes

During the pandemic parts shortage I saw SX sold for more than Deore, which was absurd, but grabbed Deore on a great deal, better than the common retailers. Prices are normal now.

Tldr: deore.

Feels like deore should get 5 5 5 4.5 5 for maintenance because its only the clutch lever, that’s just nitpicking 5 for weight because 40g is significant.. high end parts would cost $100 more just to shave off a few grams

@99spokes

Ай бұрын

Sounds like we came away with a pretty similar score then!

The Advent seemed like it deserved a 5 on maintenance. I’m confused as to why it didn’t.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

Good question! It drivetrain lacked handy features that the others had, so while the advent x setup was easy to work on and didn’t need much fiddling to keep performing well, it lacked the fool proof clutch disengagement of NX and the built-in b tension gauge of Deore

As someone who "downgraded" from Deore to Advent X, I think you missed the mark on this. My Deore was on a fat bike, used for winter riding. Its issues became quite obvious: ghost shifting, need for tweaking, and stiff cold weather shifter action. My guess is that inability to test for long-term conditions maybe hampered the review some. Advent X is quite literally bombproof. You can fix it with a decent rock and a prayer to your favorite deity.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

Actually advent x was the only drivetrain that developed issues during the short term testing window we had. Glad to hear yours is working well though!

Deore only works correctly with Deore cassettes. On the other hand, srams still have decent shifting with low quality cassettes. So, consider this.

@99spokes

2 ай бұрын

Not the case, though both Shimano and SRAM claim their drivetrains work better on their own cassettes. I’m currently running XT shifter and derailleur on a GX cassette because I was to lazy to buy a new freehub body 😂

In trafic on the street it can be dangerous a bad working drivetrain

@99spokes

3 ай бұрын

True!!

So you would bump up AdventX if it came with a lighter cassette, but the set that was the lightest you scored the same as the heaviest AdventX.... Come on, thats pretty biased.

@99spokes

6 ай бұрын

No, just a difference in the amount of weight savings. Deore was 40g less than AdventX, which I personally don’t think anyone would notice. AdventX with the alloy spider would have been 200g less than Deore, a very noticeable difference

Just my opinon, maybe you should have had all 3 drivetrains in 10 speed. Cool comparison nevertheless. Aloha. 🤙

@99spokes

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that would have been interesting for sure!

😳

all sram overprice. shimano top

i think shimano derailleurs are crap. i went through three slx derailleurs in 7 months. all of them were catastrophic failures. each broke in a different spot. my nx 11 speed is on about 2 years now… clunky and fidgety but still alive

@99spokes

Ай бұрын

Dang! Sorry you've had that experience!

My deore is smooth as silk while my brother's sram nx is kind of hard to shift. Pushing the lever with more force and not able to pull using the same lever for both high and low. The deore is just amazing on trails. By the way the NX "does not have a clutch". That so called clutch is used to remove the wheel and chain but aside from that it's all chain slap.

@99spokes

20 күн бұрын

It actually does have a clutch, the mechanism you’re talking about is used to release the pressure of the clutch for removing the wheel. Different frame designs and of course frame protection impact chain noise a lot, so that may be some of the difference you’re hearing between yours and your friend’s bike

Deore is not a budget drivetrain

@99spokes

2 ай бұрын

I guess it’s all relative 🤷‍♂️ Compared to a $1k AXS drivetrain $150 feels pretty budget, but your right, there are even more affordable options out there 🤙

@Lone_wolf_31

2 ай бұрын

@@99spokes yup

NX sucks. Microshift is shit, the fit and finish is trash. Deore is the clear winner.