Let me know your thoughts on the oracle!

@albertodelcampo467

2 жыл бұрын

Es una máquina perfecta para flojos, la programas y en la mañana te levantas y te puedes tomar un café decente sin ningún esfuerzo, sin embargo a mi en lo personal me gusta el proceso manual al momento de preparar el cafe, pero cuando no tengo tiempo esa maquina es genial, el precio es uno de los contras q yo le encuentro

@elliotmaynes3114

2 жыл бұрын

You remind me of the youtuber random Frank p he's awsome two 😍

@andreslindgren

2 жыл бұрын

I like it, but I really wish you'd have more options. I'd like to be able to just have single/double esspresso right from the start screen. Or atleast med able to rearrange the icons. But as my first good espresso machine I must say I'm pretty happy.

@rihardp.4091

Жыл бұрын

I like more full auto Coffee maschine.

@emageful

Жыл бұрын

Garbage

LOVE my Oracle Touch. Been using for about two years. Big splurge at beginning of Covid lockdown, and was a big morale booster during that time. For me, this machine is the perfect balance between automation and control. Very easy to use. Most gratifying is when guests come over for a latte, they frequently say “this is the best coffee I’ve ever had”.

@OnTheBlush

Жыл бұрын

You gotta love it when guests say they love your coffee, made me so happy for you! 😊 ☕️

@memorodriguez3184

Жыл бұрын

my bambino has been good to me but me and my wife but we are thinking of upgrading to this

I got mine for couple of months. It's super simple and fast to use. What I loved was that you get everything in the box - grinder, tamper, tools to clean and adjust and bucket for used coffee. I was thinking about more prosumer machines but they need to much involvement. Oh and you can adjust the dose with screws in tamper (set mine at 20g and it keeps it steady within 0.1g). One thing that I bought extra was scale to weight brewed coffee. With this my wife can easily dial in new beans knowing that 40g should brew in 25-35s.

@MrDoctorm3

2 ай бұрын

Anyone knows how can the adjustment be made for the coffee dose?? Where are the screws located inside the tamper??

This is my 2nd Keurig coffee maker of this model. kzread.infoUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf The first worked fine for more than 2 years, and I could still get a decent cup of coffee out of it if I fiddled with it when I decided to replace it. The problem I had with my first unit was this: When attempting to brew a cup of coffee, the unit would either keep brewing until the coffee was undrinkable or it would not run long enough and the coffee produced was way too strong. I cleaned the unit as best I could but it did not help. So in the end it was just too much trouble to get a good cup of coffee out of it, so I decided to replace it with a new one, which has been working great since I unpacked it.

I've had mine for about 18 months now and have definitely grown to love it. I struggled with inconsistent yields at first but since switching to a specific air-roasted bean have had much more consistency. I'd advise anyone getting one of these to get a scale, a VST 15g basket and an anti-static cloth too (for giving the tamp mech the occasional wipe down/discharge). The auto steam wand is a thing of magic. I just wish it had the ability to extend brewing for a couple of extra seconds if I had a shot that was pulling through slowly for some reason

@jakobvossbjerre6287

Жыл бұрын

Hi Christoper, I have a Sage/Breville Oracle Touch and I'm experiencing the same inconsistency as you are describing. I am using a scale (both to measure output for ground coffee and liquid coffee), but not a VST 15 g basket and an anti-static cloth. I would be grateful, if you could share what these two items have helped you with. I would assume that you use the VST 15 g basket to get a lower dose of ground coffee - but do you get 15 grams or just a minor amount than the 22/23/24 grams, which the Breville delivers? and how has the VST basket impacted the Breville's tamping? and I would assume that you use the antistatic cloth to minimize the build-up of ground coffee on the tamping fan, which causes the Breville to ruin the tamping? is that correct?

@zacp96

Жыл бұрын

Hey! If using a 15g basket, will it dose the 15g then or will it try and dose the higher 24g odd dose? And do the VST baskets always fit the portafilter? I noticed its slightly smaller than most 58mm portafilters!

@casdavies

Жыл бұрын

​@@jakobvossbjerre6287 Sorry just saw this. It doses about 17-18g into the 15g basket IIRC. It doesn't have any impact on tamping. Yes, the antistatic cloth is to help ensure tamping works better. It's not flawless, but I have fewer issues. I think the tamping issue actually stems from coffee clumping between the grinder and tamp fan. If a clump falls into the tamp fan when the basket is nearly full it results in the basket being overfilled and the tamp fan can't then flatten it (unless you remove the excess with a teaspoon). That's why I try to get the freshest air-roasted beans on a subscription, they tend to have fewer clumping issues.

@casdavies

Жыл бұрын

@@zacp96 It has an adjustable screw connected to the tamp fan that you can remove quite easily (though be careful as the screw is tiny and can be easily lost). It'll dose about 17-18g into the 15g portafilter. I can't speak for other baskets, but I'm using a 15 ridgeless VST basket and it fits fine.

I watched a video previously and the only thing that went wrong in 3 yrs was the handle on it. He did have a good video on how to adjust the tamper which I thought was kinda great. He showed how to adjust the height etc and also went through all the cleaning of the machine in a separate video. Very informative. Thank you for doing this video also. I'm not so sure I want to spend so much but sure like the automation of the machine! I had the old style breville several years ago and it just got to be a pain making an espresso so it got stuffed in the cupboard and forgotten. These automatic type ones on the other hand I think i could enjoy for a much longer period!

I’ve tried espresso in the past with a more basic Gaggia model. I was never happy. I just never created good espresso or good milk drinks. Pandemic kept me at home and I wanted to try again. I purchased an Oracle Touch and have been very happy. Drink quality is very good. Cleanup is easy. And I’m doing enough of the drink making to feel like I’m the barista, not the button pusher. This is much better than any super automatic I’ve ever tried. And when time comes to replace, I’ll be ready to dive into the deep end.

Nice video man. I wish I could play around with all the machines you talk about on the channel!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great review Kyle, fair and balanced. We have had one of these for 5 weeks now. It has replaced a Breville Dual Boiler that gave great service for 11 years. I do miss the adjustability but I am the only family member who cares about that. Like you my partner is not interested in the process just the result and now she is very happy being able to easily make good espresso at home. Impressed with the quality of the coffee it has made so far, better than about 75% of store bought coffees.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it Gareth!

You can actually adjust the dose somewhat, if you remove the tamper blade, pull out the metal rod above it, and there is an a small screw you can losen and then adjust the tamper blade position - and hence adjust the dosage. You will probably want to just set it as low as possible, and you should get closer to 18-19 grams, instead of 22-24. Combined with changing to a high quality VST basket or similar, you can get EXTREMELY consistent extraction. Mine has been rock solid for 4 years now, not a single complaint or any repairs.

Having owned a few of these over the years (non-touch version), I thought your points were spot on. In my experience, it's a great machine - when it's almost new, but all those fancy features do mean more things to go wrong. I've found the tamping mechanism doesn't last and the steam wand temps and air regulation also become inaccurate over time. Still my wife's favourite machine though. Great Vid

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this comment! Much appreciated.

@nicolasfortin4216

2 жыл бұрын

most Breville are "disposable" unfortunately... good value but you have to keep that in mind when buying one.

@user-lv7ph7hs7l

2 жыл бұрын

It's why I went with a PID Anna instead of a Bambino. Yeah way fewer features but it barely had any moving parts, metal construction and easy to take apart and maintain. Anything that can break, I can replace. If I was planning to upgrade it would be different but I wanted something that lasts a long time. I have no need for double boilers and flow control

@Davo198

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "the tamping mechanism doesn't last"?

Great review as always!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jerney! Much appreciated!

Good review. Thank you for this.

Congratulaciones for the 30k subs 🥳

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video! Spot on. :) I have one and I don’t use the grinder. You end up getting a lot of retention. also the cup warmer makes the beans heat up which reduces the life span of your bean and makes dialling in your espresso a nightmare. If they added the automatic steam frother to the dual boiler I think that would be a massive win for coffee enthusiasts

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

The milk steamer is addicting.

Spot on with all the critiques in my opinion, I have had this machine for 2 years, its great but I do miss the manual milk steamer but it's pretty fantastic tho but the grind calibration needs maintenance as with water flow after 2 years. Systems upgrades should be an option on the touch features too, maybe wifi like some of the LG products I also own would make this machine golden.

I hadn't considered that this could easily be upgraded to have the same data/control features as the Gagguino and DE-1. I think Breville should release an Oracle Pro, that upgrades the built in grinder to something equivalent to a Niche or DF64, manual controls/wifi/datalogging/custom pressure profiles like the DE-1, and a built in scale. Perhaps they could even automate dialing in, by controlling the grind setting with a servo, and using the data from the scale. I wonder if it would be possible to redo the auto tamper to adjust itself for dose changes... I think the Oracle Pro would sell like hell at $4k to wealthier couples, since it unites both the enthusiast and their uninterested partner, with an extremely simple yet extremely powerful machine.

You can change the default dose fairly easily to dial it in to 18g. (The manual explains how to change the height of the pin that holds the tamping fan). It is also set at nine barr pressure and you can vary the temperature precisely. Points worth making!

I’d put this squarely against the super automatics except the people who tend to buy this care a little more about coffee than simplicity in the sense I have friends who leave their beans in the machine until done, milk in the container until refill, they want Starbucks and not speciality. This machine is a great entry into great espresso without being intimidating. And I love the convenience features offered as it is what makes it a joy to use

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

Great VIDEO!. I have the barista express but have been struggling for years making consistent shots and looking to "automate" some of the variables. On a sidenote - what set up do you have at home?

Definetly feels like there is a place for this machine for some people, but not for me either. It does feel like it opens the door for so many people to get into the high end coffee world and I love that.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad this resonates with you. Thanks for watching!

@huseyinalskan5539

Жыл бұрын

which machine did you buy ?

@Alec_tod

Жыл бұрын

@@huseyinalskan5539 I ended up going with the Rancilo Silvia Pro X. Love it and great fit for me.

Very useful information, which will help me decide between this model and another Breville dual boiler. I actually wish this was not inclusive of the coffee grinder. I would still like everything automatic, but separate.

My husband and I love this machine. We had it for a few years now; however we ran into a problem you may want to pass on to others. Recently the LCD screen would not allow you to touch the screen. It did not recognize the touch and when not in use it would switch to other functions. I searched the internet for a solution and after several hours of searching I discovered the reason for the malfunction was over heating. In my research I discovered if you unplug the machine after use and allow it to cool off it works like new. So if anyone is having this issue the quick fix is to unplug the machine allow to cool for a few hours and all is fine. The machine cannot be left on for a long period of time. Other than that we cannot do without this wonderful machine. We love our Breville Espresso baby.

Great review! i really enjoyed this video. what's the name of those beans at 0:28 ? they look so good.

I think thats a fair review. I literally just ordered the Breville Oracle (non touch) & thought you were going to crush it. I make coffee daily for years in a moka pot & roast my own coffee for about 2 years & thought thus will be a good purchase for us. I can let you know. Thanks for the review. Though I thought heavily on getting a machine that would be more work, but we both work early & really, convenience weight heavily on our choice. Hopefully it's a good one for us, also, I purchased the 4 4 year extended warranty being it's so expensive.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! The warranty is likely a good call. Enjoy!

It’s an incredible masterpiece of a home espresso machine ❤ I have been a barista and a roaster so I caught on pretty quick. I’m am though very studious about my maintenance to insure my machine has a long life. WELL DONE BREVILLE, WELL DONE ❤

Two years ago i wanted to buy an espresso machine, but my wife wanted a fully automatic. Our compromise was the oracle touch - and we love it. Americanos and milk based drinks are really good, way better than any fully automatic i have ever tried. As a beginner i was struggling with espresso for a long time, but with a lower dose, a good hand grinder and a lot of your videos (and some of James'😁) i finally get great espresso and a dual boiler were you can easily change temperature, it has pre infusion, a shot timer, autostart and most important - a happy wife😉.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

So glad to hear it! Enjoy!

You’re bang on with the grinder comments, one of my biggest disappointments. Got the oracle as the DB wasn’t available, the grind weight is very inconsistent and the yield is even more inconsistent. For the price and marketing of the “auto grind tamp” I expected more. Have just purchased a Specialita for this reason.

My girlfriend used the crap out of my oracle. It's now a leaky machine that trips breakers. Superauto machines DO have a grinding advantage. Many super-autos will let you drop coffee grounds down an auxiliary chute, letting you use your million dollar grinder. No tamping, no portafilter, just your grinder and a big dosing cup dumping into the machine. Dialing in a super auto is totally different and way more limited though. In my Jura it is: coffee strength(amount of beans), grind size, water temperature, and amount of liquid in your cup. The first two you can take over with your external grinder. Second two are heavy handed. 3 settings for water temp, and liquid amount in half ounces. I was able to get some enjoyable stuff out of the oracle, the superauto I'm still working on.

Best thing I ever did was get the breville Barista pro and learn to use it!!! I FINALLY make an amazing coffee everytime 😊

We’ve had one for two years and it does what it promises. Very good espresso, lattes, and other milk drinks. The dosing size is an issue. Attempts to change the dose haven’t really worked. During the lockdown I concentrated on pour overs and used the machine for mostly decaf drinks (my wife only drinks decaf). It’s been a good purchase, but not a machine designed to explore espresso.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

LOL at the spilt coffee. Nice.

Thanks for this video! :) What are these cups called?

Thank you for sharing

Where can I find a link to that cup? Looks so cool.

It's usually the big red handle to eject :P This machine is not for me, but I'm happy it exists. I know people who would like to get into the hobby but not spend as much time. This machine is kinda perfect for that. It automates everything that can be automated without suffering the drawbacks of a a full auto. Pricey of course, way out of my league but I can see a lot of potential customers, maybe middle aged bit of money, want to try something beyond pods or full auto without going all obsessive.

Wish it had a pressure readout like on the cheaper units so i could tell if the occasional bad shot being poured is bad from low pressure or an incorrect bean grind. Sometimes this pours 1/4th of the shot with new beans and does not fill the shot glass. Overall solid machine. Have had mine for several years now and it still works great.

@dar1020

Жыл бұрын

Great point! That's always my point too....cannot understand why they did not put even a digital controlled pressure sensor to show just the digital numbers on the display if i guess there was no room for the mechanical presssure gauge...for the price and quality of the machine it has been a ridicolous choice not to put one !

This is the only machine ill drink coffee out of i'm usually a tea guy but this does an americano really well

Hi. I have the first version of oracle and love it however had it for too long and I think it is time to upgrade. What machine would you suggest I go for. Price is no concern as I love my coffee.

good review. want to say my reason for not getting a full automated this year (and I just bought the oracle without touch) is because I am a dual coffee drinker daily (including decaf), and this sage would give me that option. was using a sage barrista for 8 years before. - probs my next investment in the coffee space would be a standalone grinder to use with the oracle ...

Hi Kyle. What is an example of a super automatic that has a better grinder and dose control? Thanks!

For a two shot dose, how many grams of ground coffee are dispensed at factory setting. Also, would you recommend a puck screen? I use a puck screen for my BES870XL and my machine is so much cleaner No grounds stick to the shower screen.

Hey Kyle, Would you be able to review or even compare the Breville Oracle Touch with the Delonghi La specialista Maestro? I think it would be very interesting. Thanks.

Price wise, I am deciding between the Sage (Breville) Barista Touch Impress and Delonghi La Specialista Maestro. Delonghi has now a cold brew too, but that's not a distinguishing factor for me. I prefer consistent results, foam quality, etc. So - which one would you suggest to go with? 🙂

I would like to know if you have already tested the water temperature which is indicated at 200F? My Oracle says 200F but I can only have 187F left. Thanks

I wonder 1 thing about what you said... There is a difference between the grinders of the Barista express with 16 grind settings, the barista pro with 30 grind settings and the oracle with 45 grind settings so something must be different between those grinders... For example the Barista Express's grinder is clearly bad :D

Is there any other semi automatic machine like this one that you would suggest? Does lelit have anything? I want the best shot possible but don’t have the time to be a home barista. I was planning on buying the Oracle touch but after researching i found reviews being 50-50 which is so confusing

Were did you get that amazing double walled glass cup!

The biggest downfall to this machine, is the grinder honestly but aside from that if you learn how to pull espresso you can get really awesome shots out of this. And for people who don’t want to do all the measuring and everything and weighing with the scale, the built-in grinder is totally adequate but if you want 100% consistency you are going to be disappointed by the grinder the dose just changes too much. I ended up buying a separate grinder for myself but my wife loves using the built-in grinder

Great video 👍. Yes you are right this is not the machine for you 😀 but it could be for me😀. My Breville express now lives in the garage because messy and finicky. It was replaced by a DeLonghi ECAM which has been downgraded to standby by a Sage precision brewer and a Wilfa 130B. A clever dripper and a Timemore slim are my traveling setup. I want good coffee in good amounts with no hassle and I have it.😀

I’ve got a non-touch version of the Oracle and think that it actually is a great machine for even someone who considers themselves an espresso enthusiast. I’ve got a young child at home, so I don’t always get the time I’d want to have to deal with puck preparation and dosing. When I do get that time, though, I can use a separate (nicer) single dosing grinder to prepare pucks exactly the way I want. The non-touch version also has an advanced menu (similar to the Dual Boiler), which allows you to change pre-infusion duration and pressure as well as shot temperature (within 1 degree) and many other parameters. The automatic milk steaming also works great, but I think a really great feature that is often not mentioned is how well the manual steaming works. The really cool thing for me is the temperature probe that is still giving an online temperature reading during manual steaming, which allows you to prepare more reproducible milk based drinks. As espresso nuts, we often care a lot about shot temperature but leave milk steaming up to the feeling of the outside of the pitcher. This is far less accurate and repeatable. Really good review! Keep up the great content!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this thoughtful response!

Thanks for this review. I cosider to buy this machine and need to get test results and weak points. And yes, you mention, the toch screen is not fast as the newst mobile phones and the grinder should have some more setting. This is not importand for me. So this video from you convince me to buy the oracle touch. Thanks again for this good and honest review.

We bought the barista touch version because we enjoy espresso and we were tired of spending $6 each at coffee shops. I learned the process and make very good coffee, it may not be perfect but it gets the job done quick and for the fraction of the price we paid before. The machine should pay for itself in less than a year. It’s simple to use once you learn the process and dial everything in and that’s what we love about it, no more Nespresso pod style coffee 🤮

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Just bought one of these to replace my Breville Oracle that I’ve had for 10 years with no issues. I have an error message on my oracle and Breville says they can’t fix it until September (it’s July now)…so, they are offering 60% off to get another machine…I am an enthusiast like you…started with a Rancilio Silvia until my 2 year old turned on the boiler button with no water in it…My wife, like yours, doesn’t want to deal with all the prep..so we bought a Gaggia super automatic and it was fine, but felt cheap…Now loving the Breville line…on the pre-infusion, my Oracle lets you adjust it? Not sure what your point was about that part…I have to say, I’d prefer to just get the original Oracle again with the buttons vice touch screen, but they are out of stock right now, so the Touch will be coming next week…One other HUGE benefit (at least pre-covid) is Breville’s service…ours had an issue after about 5 years. They sent me a box to send it to them with pre-paid postage, fixed it, and sent it back within two weeks with no charge…I expect we’ll return to that service once COVID dies down a bit and the economy gets back to normal…On the steam wand, I drink soy and this machine did the best of all the machines I tested at steaming soy milk FWIW…great review!

the oracle touch is 4+ years old now isnt it? wonder if they have a new improved model coming soon

Also you can adjust the dosing by removing the tamp fan, you then adjust the height of the screw that the fan attaches to, using the small Allen wrench that is provided for you.

@nestogsw9659

2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain further or provide a good link? I’ve always been frustrated that dosing can’t be adjusted and is always at 22g

@Jantonvid

2 жыл бұрын

@@nestogsw9659 There’s definitely a video out there, just do a search for Oracle dosage adjustment

@brennenlancashire2465

2 жыл бұрын

@@nestogsw9659 there is a Sage video out there showing how to adjust the dosing, I’ve adjusted mine to 19g which I find is fine for my espresso, ☕️💖👍🏻

Have you heard of the descaler issues with the machine? Luckily they sent me a replacement after my failed descaling operation. I ended up doing it a second time a year later after getting g my new replacement and thought I broke the machine. Somehow I revived the machine after some KZread searches but now I will never descale the machine. I do all the other general maintenance regularly but the descaler function break your machine even if you follow directions step by step. I even used the OEM descaler solution and I almost think that is the problem because it's a powder solution. Maybe the premixed liquid solution would work better but I'm not willing to try the descaler option again. I will either run the machine until it goes out or sell and upgrade in another couple years.

What would be your first choice, since I'm in the market....and I do like as much auto as possible.

I have this machine for almost 2 years now, I wanted a machine that was pretty easy to live with, and all the full auto things seemed finicky and required a lot of cleaning and maintenance, and all looked like plastic on the inside, so I picked this-one. I initially really liked it initially, but made me tumble down the coffee rabbithole. The first thing I indeed did was changing the dose, lowering it to the lowest I could get it, but it still portions out more than 22g at the lowest setting. The tamping however, certainly with pretty fresher roasted beans, is far from ideal. Usually you can still easily push a small dent in the center of the puck where the coffee puck is clearly less dense, which causing massive channeling issues. Works a lot better with older beans, but still not issue-free. I simply got myself a flat-burr grinder, and don't use the built-in-one or auto-tamper anymore. I do still use it for pulling the shots itself, the pre-infusion and timing is pretty handy, although eventually I'll probably get myself something else, there is indeed a lack of control. But lastly, yes, the milk steaming is amazing, just fill the jug, press a button and be done with it, and get consistently good foamed milk, but only the Oracle and Oracle touch seem to have this - which is a pity.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Great thoughts here. Thanks for commenting friend!

@user-lv7ph7hs7l

2 жыл бұрын

With Lance Hedriks guide you can steam milk like a pro in a few weeks with very passable results from the get go.

@panman2632

Жыл бұрын

Loved the comment! Thanks and definitely helped with me reviewing before purchasing

I bought this machine last year as my entry into the espresso world. I was squarely looking for the following: good enough espresso that beats out chain coffee stores, with a good steaming wand for milk drinks without the machine consuming too much of time and forcing me to take on another hobby. I found the machine for about $1000 on rebate and for that price it has been an absolute performer. I did end up getting more into coffee and I do now feel like the grinder and the grinding mechanism doesn't have the consistency to pull great shot after shot but it heavily depends on the beans (finicky lighter roasts don't do as well). So, I'll upgrade the grinder but I won't get rid of this machine as I'm in the exact same boat: my girlfriend LOVES it and wouldn't stand for me trading it in for a more prosumer model. She loves being able to just make a decent cappuccino without too much fuss, without weighing, distributing, tamping, temperature surfing, etc. She loves coffee but simply has no interest in learning the technical details of what makes a great shot. And I don't feel like trading it in either. It's a solid dual boiler machine with a very friendly user interface and control scheme. I think with something like the Lagom Mini I'll be happy for a few years to come.

Having tested many many super automatics , the main reason i went with this is because even a 4000 euro automatic struggles to make a good espresso. This was a good balance between getting good coffee and not getting a new unwanted hobby. I paid 1700 euros which i thought was good compared to the other machines i looked at

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

This is my point exactly.

@petervansan1054

2 жыл бұрын

you should have gotten a new hobby

@bruceketcheson4877

2 жыл бұрын

@@petervansan1054 not at all, don’t want one and the machine works great as have the thousands of posted reviews shown.

Just baught the Oracle, having pgraded from the barrista express. I am blind, and I gather the touch is not going to wok - but still interested to know what I’m missing out on :) THe Oracle seems great though

I'm considering this machine but worried about the long term reliability of the machine any thoughts.

For this price it makes more sense to purchase a Rancilia Silvia ProX or Breville Duel Broiler and Niche Zero, No?

This is such an amazing machine! I'm in awe after seeing this video. It not only grinds but also tamps it!? And the automatic milk frother!? It's amazing! :D

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

It is pretty impressive what Breville’s been able to do with this machine. While not for the enthusiast, I think many can benefit from something like the oracle

iirc on the original oracle, dosage and tamping pressure were both adjustable

Great review! I hope Breville will launch a new flagship espresso machine with a better grinder!

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And I do too.

The original Oracle is a lot more customizable than this one. You can adjust tamping, pre-infusion, and I think dosage as well

@gailoakley4010

Жыл бұрын

Will would you recommend the original over the touch version? I can’t decide between the two. I don’t know what the differences are.

We have one and feel its a good compromise of convenience and decent coffee. My major issue with Breville/Sage its parts availability. I needed a £6 teflon Pipe and 3 months and still no stock from sage. I ended up using a Delonghi pipe I got from Ebay! shockingly bad when you need parts.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t argue with you there - though they’ve be known to have great customer support

@eethon1

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell I think that's true if you're in warranty. Out of warranty its appalling to not be able to get simple parts on a still produced machine. Its also £2000 so I expect it to well outlast the warranty. I just tried to order a new upper Burr Grinder... nothing in the UK at all. I am wondering if it's all a ploy to use the approved repair center as they seem to be able to get parts. Right to repair rules definitely need addressing as manufacturers cant be trusted to do the right thing it seems. I couldn't recommend getting one to anyone based on the lack of parts availability. Mine was in pieces for 2 months waiting on the £6 Teflon pipe that is still not in stock.

Mine died after 26 months of light home use. Went off to the repair shop & came back unusable. not worth the money in my humble opinion

The machine is a waste of money. We bought our first Oracle and after less than a year we had to send it in for service. It was still on warranty, so Breville claimed they fixed it and sent it back to us. It was not fixed, so we had to send it back to them. They said they couldn't fix it so they replaced with a new Oracle. That machine lasted for just about a year and then problems started. It was no longer under warranty because, as a replacement machine, there is only 6 months of warranty. We paid $500 to ship it back to Breville and have them repair it. The machine was damaged in shipping by Canada Post, so it was replaced with an Oracle Touch, as that was all Breville had available. Because the Touch was a replacement machine it only had 6 months warranty. 10 months after we received the Oracle Touch, we started having problems with it. We called Breville and were told that the price of repairing the machine had increased to $700 (maybe because of the previous Covid pandemic or the war in the Ukraine, they didn't say), but they would give us a break and only charge us $460. I could swear I heard their over-sized heart fall right out on the floor. Basically I told them I would rather throw the Oracle Touch in the garbage and buy another brand to replace it. They didn't seem too concerned. I decided that for $460, I would become a Breville repairman. Watched all the videos and read all the articles I could find about servicing different problems with the Oracle Touch. I took the machine apart (took about 20 minutes) and it seems I have a couple of leaking o-rings. Checking the forums, this seems to be a very common problem, especially after descaling the machine. So, it wasn't a warranty problem, but a defect in materials and workmanship, which should always be covered! I believe there is a problem with the o-ring material. Breville doesn't admit it, but the original o-rings were orange and the newer ones are blue. Anyway, the o-rings are on their way, $20 for two complete sets. I will save $440 dollars by repairing the machine myself. That is an amazing profit by Breville for 30 minutes of service work and a few dollars of parts. Seems like Breville has a bit of a scam going on. Now I will say, when the Oracle is working as it should, it is an amazing espresso maker. Easy to use, clean and great coffee! I like it enough to keep it running as long as I can fix it. But when it is done, I will not be buying another Breville espresso maker.

You can change the dose, although not really user friendly, there is an adjustment screw.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there is. I said it wasn’t easy to do, not that it wasn’t possible. But yes - I would say the vast majority of people who buy a machine like this will not adjust the dose because of this.

@3ede467

Жыл бұрын

I've adjusted my tamper fan to the deepest position possible, which results in about 21g of ground coffee.

I have a Breviile Pro and a Bambino but I lifted my game when I bought the Rocket Appartamento. like chalk and cheese

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

The problem with the machine is that it breaks down easily. Mine has broken twice. In the same way. A rapid solenoid clicking sound WHILE TURNED OFF. And the grinder motor is overheating even though perfectly clean. Both times the machine broke was after I did a full cleaning: descale, group head, grinder. It does a GREAT job, when it works. They don't pay to ship it for repairs even when under warranty. Really disappointed in Breville. The very first one I bought had to be returned immediately because our sprayed water everywhere. They have some serious quality issues with this machine.

Blue Bottle best coffee, especially the 17th ceiling blend grind

Awesome video. So Two things I wished it would address. The first is that the non touch Oracle actually has an advanced setting that allows you to adjust dose, pressure, tamp, etc. Would your opinion change based on this factor? Second, I would like a comment on when you grinded your own coffee manually (Comandante?) but then tamped it with the Oracle. Many of us are wondering how you did that in your previous story. Did you grind 24g of coffee to allow the tamper to detect the amount of grounds? Thanks!

@devildman3128

2 жыл бұрын

Bump

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Having not owned the oracle classic - I wasn’t aware of its dosing feature. This does change some thoughts but also confuses others. I truly believe the strength of this machine is not for what it lacks, but what it offers. And that is a user friendly Espresso Machine for people who want minimal tinkering. As for your other question - I used the niche zero and tamped manually.

The "thisss" has to be a Doug DeMuro reference

How did I miss that breville purchased baratza? Interesting.

It's the perfect machine for me in terms of use case, but I wish they update the touch screen and the grinder.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

I hear ya!

I have a non- touch Oracle. I can't imagine that the Touch wouldn't have all the features that the older version has and more. I can adjust the dosing, brew temp, pre infusion time, tamp etc. on mine. They must be available on the Touch. My main complaint is that the milk texturing works great for lattés, but it can't produce the correct foam/texture for a cappucino, my preferred drink. Even with manual steaming it's a challenge.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Hey! It’s weird these were taken away - but maybe they’re aiming for a more user friendly experience - one with less tinkering. Regardless thanks for watching!

@theodorechan8665

Жыл бұрын

go into the advanced menu and adjust your steam boiler temperature into the 270s. I use 272º. then when you start stretching the milk go aggressive on it up to 100-110º on the thermometer. then when spinning the milk if you can get it to go round rather then tumble you'll get more fluffy light milk that sits on top for your cappucino. it's doable, just different.

After buying a flair 58 and an option-o mini grinder. This seems much easier. Fits more with my life style. Making good coffee is a rabbit whole that I am willing to dive into. Yet, I prefer saving countless hours of dialing pressure, tamping, etc by using this machine. All I want is good coffee twice a day. In the morning and after lunch. Probably will be selling my flair and grinder to switch to this.

@Robinzorz

Жыл бұрын

Hello! Did you sell them yet? Where in the world are you located? I was thinking about buying exactly these two (the Flair en the option-o mini)! Maybe i can buy them from you? I live in the Netherlands!

@cloudytuesdays

Жыл бұрын

@@Robinzorz Believe it or not. Now I am happy with this combo hahaha. It is great I recommend it. I got use to the flow and I am making great coffee. I am getting to enjoy the process. The flair makes amazing coffee.

I think the durability is an another important factor to consider.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

I would tend to agree. Though Breville has come leap and bounds from their early BDB models

What are peoples grind and brew settings. We're having problems with our oracle touch.

@3ede467

Жыл бұрын

As the machine cannot dose consistently you cannot dial in properly. Just get rid of that machine, it is a total disaster!

I would love to see a Barista Express type machine with open sourced and modifiable controller board and an electronic pressure gauge and tray scale that can be integrated into the controller too. I am pondering doing this to my Barista Express via modifications, but that has to wait until it breaks down and I ave to open and repair it. So far it has been faithful to me for 3 years of great espresso enjoyment. How about an Open Hardware - Arduino Barista Express?

if you were going to get an expensive espresso machine like this, what would be your first choice?

Can you use the oracle tamper with grounds from another grinder?

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@lilsayntness

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell thanks for the reply Kyle! That's actually pretty cool, like a mini puq press, do you know what the quality of a tamp on proper grounds+dose would be like? Or if it removes any grinds? If it's good, it would actually increase the value of this machine quite a bit! Like a integrated puq press :o

I have the Breville Bambino Plus. That one is $500 and has an auto milk steaming feature. That machine heats up so fast that a dual boiler isn’t needed. I honestly feel like more expensive machines end up being less efficient

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. The bambino is pretty great for the money - isn’t it?!

@jt22420

2 жыл бұрын

At one point I considered putting two bambino pluses next to each other. Essentially a dual boiler efficiency for only 1K.

I've been using the Oracle Touch for 3 years and I must say not happy every time using it. Same grind size, first coffee in the morning is too slow, second runs too fast. And what about internal components? Will they last long? Do you highly recommend getting the Lelit Bianca instead and separate grinder?

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

I do recommend the Lelit bianca if someone is willing to play with variables and learn how to dial in with a grinder.

@stefanb7529

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell I believe only downside is the inbuilt grinder. In terms of shot quality, if I would pair the Oracle Touch with the DF64 do you think it's necessary at all upgrading to the Bianca or will I get same shot quality? Although milk texture is decent on the Oracle, it would be even better on the Bianca?

What stand alone grinder would you compare the integrated grinder to?

@anthonytomlinson3311

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve read that the burrs and mechanics are really similar to the Breville Smart Grinder Pro

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

The Breville smart grinder pro

@NashvilleFanatic

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I'm not very familiar with that model. Is there a more popular model that you could compare it to? Just in terms of understanding the value you are getting?

I had this machine, so inconsistent with the dose that i was having different extractions every time! 1 gram is very important if you want a fixed ratio, not even the impress it's that better.

hi. I could pay the price of Oracle Touch, but maybe there is a better valued espresso machine? hence, it would be a first machine for me, want something not too complicated to use and with excellent results. What would you recommend?

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

There is defiantly cheaper machines. Something like the barista express from breville would be a more affordable option but less automatic in nature.

Just bough this at bed bath beyond using a coupon for 700 off. Selling my nespresso creatista before it arrives! 😊

Can this machine deliver plain hot water? Sounds like a silly question to ask in relation to a high-end. However, from a practical point of view, if this machine can take the place of my Breville One-cup Hot water dispenser/kettle, then the Oracle's value doubles for me in my small kitchen.

Where do I find those double wall glasses.....please...

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Kruve

@moltogusto8133

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell thank you!!!!

So is the internal structure the same crappy plastic as in 920 model that I had to replace once a year $ $1300 Waste.

where are your coffee beans from in this video??? where can I purchase?

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

Monogram coffee roasters

@dimitrikrstevski9983

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleRowsell can you recall which blend?

Why don’t u partner up with them and make us a automated machine with everything u would love to see in a machine. I’d buy it!!

So my dilemma is how do you satisfy both the people in the household who don’t care about learning the process and those who do? Me. Ha. Who suffers? I currently have a Breville touch, but bored with the limitations. I’m afraid to replace it with something that nobody can use… while also thinking having two machines seems silly (not to mention the space that would take).

Sadly they now use cheap parts inside this model, there is a very common boiler leaking issue that leaks all over the electronics and blows the house circuits, the older ones over about two years old did have better parts but sadly the new ones have issues, in fact apparently Breville now tell customers to never descale the machine yet the machine will kept telling you too, this will leave the scale in the boiler to help prevent leaks but will have issues in time, these should be recalled and issue fixed but it’s apparently cheaper to just sell them and have the customer wait to have them constantly repaired, they won’t refund mine so I’m selling and investing in a real quality machine like the Bezzera Matrix DE Dual Boiler Coffee Machine

Side note: you don’t need 30lbs of force. This myth has been busted by some good science coffee folks. Compress the puck to resistance is all that’s needed.

@KyleRowsell

2 жыл бұрын

You’re correct!

@devrim1134

2 жыл бұрын

I have a Touch and there is almost no room for an additional tamp; when you push down, the grounds are not getting compressed more, so the automated tamp is quite good already