It’s very refreshing to see somebody who is in the archery industry and is honest about the reviews of equipment. We all know Josh loves bowtech, but he is totally fair with the review of them, unlike some people and some manufacturers that sponsor them.

4.7-4.8 lbs for a Carbon bow... Or 3.65 lbs for a Mach 34? Kind of a no brainer isn't it? I just dont see how bow tech will ever compete in the carbon game with that overall weight

@sheyanderson4371

8 ай бұрын

True, but only a no brainer regarding weight, which to be fair they don't even advertise it that way. Deadlock, TimeLock, and flip disc, could be a no brainer for Bowtech for some people. Personally, I think carbon bows period are not worth it for their price to aluminum counterparts.

@JamesBond-oc4gm

8 ай бұрын

​@@sheyanderson4371I agree

@danielfetchak1865

6 ай бұрын

They shoot lights out that's how they will compete.

@TheSchmuel

6 ай бұрын

@@danielfetchak1865 There isn't a current high end bow on the market that I cant shoot lights out... They are all good. We are splitting hairs at this point. But if Im gonna spend the money on Carbon, I want it lightweight. If weight isn't an issue, Ill save the money.

@abowens777

3 ай бұрын

My bow tech admiral from 2009 is 4.2 pounds.

After the vibration dapener test it would be interesting to see the aluminum bows tested without them

Thank you for your reviews. Enjoy watching them.

😅im dieing on the dampners. Thanks for going the extra mile. Prime example of why I watch your channel

I love these videos and appreciate everything you are doing to help out the average archer. The more information the better. The only thing I don't like is that all these reviews make me want to buy a new bow!😂

Watching the vibration test, the first one with dampeners in was actually 11, it jumped to 13 when you hit the hump on the draw. But it’s weird the dampeners didn’t take any vibration. Can’t wait to see more reviews on 2024 bows.

@AdamJonasPrime

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking about this watching the video. The most visible shaking of the bow is on the draw. Would be interested in a test where the recording was reset after coming to full draw to accurately measure vibration on the shot.

@gabrielcormier7307

6 ай бұрын

I really need to know... I am loosing sleep.

Disappointed that the carbon doesnt have the grip upgrade but im overall very impressed with what bowtech had done for this year. As always thanks for saving me a shit ton of time by helping me realize some things i do and dont want to shoot without spending my whole day in a shop.

I was hoping for a carbon ss34 with the pic mount from BowTech. got excited with I saw longer ATA, and sad they didn't make the riser longer like the SS34. Hopefully next year, my dream bow is a reality! Thanks for doing these MFJJ. it's great to see how the spec's compare to reality, and not just speed vs IBO!

Great video brotha, she was smooth

Got myself the Hoyt matrix in 2010 and have not seen another bow that looks so good and shoots any better. 35 inches ata , this is my 3D bow and is very comfortable in the hand and has a nice wooden handle that never feels cold in in the winter

The first thing I noticed Josh was your shirt!! 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽 G-n-R!!

Already saw one comment, but would like to make another to help it get seen, the vibration results are capturing the draw and back wall impact more than the shot. You can see 10:10-10:15

Lay that yardstick flat on the reflex measurement just in case that flimsy thing is bent! Thanks for the videos- entertaining and useful as always!

Thank you for doing the most unbiased and comprehensive reviews on KZread!

My 8 year old Bowtech BTX28 is still performing great alongside the newer flagships. The carbon one is actually heavier than my BTX....so if I really need to shave weight, that's what the Carbon Icon is for, as it actually gets the job done while being a full pound lighter than my aluminum BTX.

Good video. Just cant get behind their carbon bow not saving any weight.

@gratefuldude82

8 ай бұрын

I didn't like last year's. The weight isn't an issue for me... the main appeal with carbon for me is bit being so cold! Lol

@AustinHilton-ro8cj

8 ай бұрын

Wasn’t made to save weight, they aimed to make a very balanced and stable bow, and they did a good job at it

@aaronroberts2705

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I can see that for sure a lot of people like that factor. But not sure its worth the $600+ for it. But I am just in Texas so not as cold as the north gets. @@gratefuldude82

@Buran01

8 ай бұрын

@@AustinHilton-ro8cj And what's the difference with an aluminium bow then? The warmer contact? Too much price increse for that.

@BlairThibault

8 ай бұрын

I’ll be honest I was out last weekend and my Mach 34 was still freezing so idk what the claim is that carbon bows don’t get cold

I'd like to see a video on different methods to reduce vibration and noise and how effective they are

I would like to see you do a repeat vibration test on the Core SS/SR with the dampeners removed to see how it effects the test.

Thanks MFJJ Nice Review !!

It would be interesting to see the effect of the heavier arrows on your vibration testing equipment.

My Bowtech BTX31 I bought in 2016 has a timing adjustment idk why everyone is acting like this is new

I’ve been watching all your bow review videos and I like the way you break everything down. As far as the vibration test, it’s really measuring hand shock, right? The number you are getting is the highest number it registers, but isn’t necessarily telling you how quickly it dissipates. So even though a bow has a higher number, it could possibly dissipate quicker than others and have less overall vibration.

Maybe shoot hunting weight arrows for vibration test, too?🤔 Great & thorough review as always. Welcome to the jungle baby!👍😁😂😆

I wonder in terms of that Vibration what was "the hand feeling" if that helps. Maybe data on device does not show it but it feels better? There is always a question how an electronic measurement affect our feeling and maybe the feelings are different than data..

I shot the Carbon One without the dampeners... I felt it did reduce noise from the bow, but the oscillation increased the vibration.

Would be awesome to see you review some of the APA products once in a while, they seem to be excluded from all of your reviews and comparisons... is there a reason for this? Thanks for the video!

Ok you know what you have to do now! Take the dampers off one of the core bows and redo the vibration test. 😮

I wonder of the 550 arrows have a less vibration number? Always hear that a heavy arrow is quieter

Would the vibe test be measuring the vibe taken from the dampener?

Could you feel the difference in vibration with and without the dampeners ?

Be nice if you did some speeds at mid range aswell 28" or so Josh Alot of people with shorter DL would appreciate it 👌

Vibration test is registering the max vibe which on some bows is the hump in the draw cycle right before the valley…while watching during the shot we get a clear view of the vibe at the shot and it was less than the draw cycle on most of your vibe tests…is there a mode that displays the final jump in vibration rather than just registering all vibrations and returning the max value?

@aaronroberts2705

8 ай бұрын

Yeah almost need to draw back and have the camera man reset it so you only get the shot.

Brother dropped this before Bowtech dropped it 😂

Need a comparison now of of the carbon bowtech vs carbon hoyt.

Is there some sort of torque spec when putting on those orbital dampeners? It's possible that they weren't doing their job because it was over torqued?

There is three parts for vibration initial peak duration and dissipation. I think your measuring leak which is why the dampers did not saw an advantage. It should help reduce duration and increase dissipation which is not measured from what I can tell. As it’s a number reading not a acceleration over time curve.

The last number was from when you drew the bow and it vibrated. The number from the shot of the bow (with the dampeners) was 1238

Was this tested on performance or smooth with the flip disk

You may also want to pay attention to the peak vibration, which may have a big impact on the hand sensation

@yibochen-zg5ww

7 ай бұрын

The increase in the number of vibrations may correspond to a lower amplitude, can not just look at the number of the machine, the real feel needs to be expressed

What arrows are you using during this bow review

Maybe have the camera guy/gal hit record after the draw cycle. It looks like all of Bowtech bows have the highest vibration when the cam rolls over

What is more important for forgiveness? ATA or reflex length? This bow is a 33 ATA but has an inch longer reflex than the Core SS (31.5 ATA) I am trying to decide between the Carbon one X, Core SS and SR for western hunting. I will eventually test them all but want to know which one on paper should be the most forgiving?

I know the vibration test is done same on each bow, but wonder when the high reading happens. Is it during the draw and hit the wall or during the release. The bow is a “tuning fork”, adding mass that doesn’t have much ability to absorb vibration isn’t going to cut it. Now questions: 1200 felt vibration is equal to? Best way to cut vibration and what options we have? Heavier arrow, monkey tails, rubber covered stabilizer? Phase 4 vibration reading, since it’s what a lot of people are shooting?

@michaelmangino9819

7 ай бұрын

Heavier arrow will make bow feel more dead. Bcuz the heavy arrow absorbs vibes more then a light arrows. IE. 375gr. Vs 511gr.

What kind of lighted nocks are that? Seems more efficient than the Nockturnals nocks. anyone?

The only reason I'm even considering a carbon bow is for weight savings so this one's a no go for me. Could you find a way to put those axles and cams on a PSE Mach 34?😂

I'm assuming these are all in performance

You can see it clear as day when you reach full draw the number peaks out. It’s not the vibration of the shot. 13.62 hitting the back wall then 13.62 then 11.92 at the shot. For the first arrow. That test needs to be revamped.

I don’t understand why vibration matters in new bows. It’s so minimal and most people won’t be able to tell the difference from bow to bow

@Buran01

8 ай бұрын

Well, if there's no difference you can save money ditching the dampeners or going for another model.

Question. Why do you test IBO speed rated bows at AMO/ATA specs? From my understanding an IBO speed test of that bow should be 70#, 30.5" and 350gr arrow. IBO doesn't specify a max draw length, just a draw weight (80#) and grain/pound. I wouldn't be surprised if that bow is right at its stated speed at 30.5".

Mines has string serving separation on the cams after 20 shots :(

Why is the vibration test interesting? Is more then just a feeling? Is it noise?

@Buran01

8 ай бұрын

Well, some manufacturers put a lot of research trying to make the bow dead in hand. Mathews has split limbs with rubber insertions, monkey tails and dampeners... If you can measure vibration and compare results in equal field you'll get rid off the marketing bullshit and chose based in other things, given the lack of vivration is similar. I doubt they sell much spare dampeners after this test...

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Is PSE coming out with a new carbon bow this season ?

@BlairThibault

8 ай бұрын

I sure hope so

@setharter

8 ай бұрын

Mach 30

33" ATA with the exact same DL as the 30" model but 1/2" shorter brace height? Why?

@sheyanderson4371

8 ай бұрын

Higher ATA increases stability, but usually means slower speeds and shorter brace height increases speed, but lowers forgiveness. 33" bows have become a sweet spot for manufacturer's in bow efficiency. This was Bowtech doing so with their Carbon One platform.

@PoeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

@@sheyanderson4371Yeah I’m aware of the effects of bow specs, it was a rhetorical question. They took a 30” bow and bolted on some aluminum to make it 33”. And it weighs almost 5 pounds? 😂 This bow is trash and that’s coming from a guy who has shot and owned many Bowtechs since 2003. Huge fail

@sheyanderson4371

8 ай бұрын

@@PoeOutdoors I don’t think they should’ve bothered with a carbon bow, as I don’t believe any carbon bows are worth it, but the market asks for it. It may be heavier, but it’s $100+ cheaper, performs equally, and has more features than any other comparable carbon bow on the market. I wouldn’t buy one, but it has its place for customers that give more thought to their carbon bow purchase than

I have a PSE Carbon 34 (80lb) and Elite Omnia as my backup! I can hardly shoot the Omnia with Enjoyment due to the weight. PSE Carbon bows have turned me into a bitch! By the way I have owned a Carbon PSE and Hoyt since 2016 and feel at home with the PSE.

Here for the vibration comments 😂

From now on, the ultimate test for bows, arrows and broadheads will be a penetration test into a Cyber Truck door panel!

FYI: With my scale, I'm getting 1.534 oz for an individual Bowtech Orbit Damper

Your testing vibrations at the sight not the hand that’s where you went wrong the dampeners aren’t designed to ”reduce” overall vibrations but more about where they are felt

The way they extended the riser with the black plastic (?) or whatever that is to be able to get to 33 A to A is pretty sketchy looking. Too bad they dabbled in carbon and now they are going to double down on it before they have to accept they are not taking carbon market space from Hoyt.

@simonaudet1107

8 ай бұрын

They probably have a lots of riser left from last year 🤷🏻‍♂️

@huntsimple9527

8 ай бұрын

That is what I am thinking since the Carbon One was a total failure. At one point back in August my local shop was giving a Bowtech Amplify to anyone who purchased a Carbon One, it was that bad.@@simonaudet1107

@halfstep67

8 ай бұрын

It's not black plastic, it is aluminum. Look at the aluminum risers on the Core SR and Core SS. They are the same riser design, but they modified the limb pocket angle on the Core SR to give it a longer ATA. That is how they did the carbon risers on the Carbon One X and Carbon One. They kept the same riser design and just modified the limb angle to give the Carbon One X a longer ATA. Go look at the Hoyt VTM31 and the VTM 34. They did the same thing. They used the same riser design with modified limb angles on the VTM 34 to give it a longer ATA.

@huntsimple9527

8 ай бұрын

Right on. Hopefully it turns out good for Bowtech!@@halfstep67

It needs ALL the core ss features & sub 3lbs total weight 🤌🏿👍🏿👍🏿

To me this is basically last years carbon one. I really dont see much of a change in this years edition other than a longer ata. I was really hoping that this years carbon one x bow would have improved vastly over last years inaugural carbon flagship launch. Especially considering the tune abilities and flip disc technology that bowtech is known for. I cant wait to see what the other companies put out in their carbon line ups

@micahdunleavy9227

7 ай бұрын

It’s way to damn heavy..

The vibration testing cord needs to be on the riser of the bow to get an accurate reading, not the bow site lol….

They almost had me buying one until the dampeners made the vibration worse. Going from 12.5 to 14.0, oh the horror. Just messin. I bet it didn't feel any different in the hand at all though. I'd leave them in if it made the bow more stable. There's no way I can afford a lower level flagship bow right now. So, a carbon fiber bow, is definitely, out of the question.

The price tag was hitting the bow during the vibration test

@toddlymburner5783

8 ай бұрын

And the weight test, and the reflex test. He got in shit a few years ago for being to tough on Bowtech. Now he is ridiculously over the top to nice to them. He tried to put a positive spin on the fact it weighs a lot and is not light which destroys the point of buying a carbon bow in the first place, he doesn’t talk anymore about that horrible draw cycle in performance which is why most shoot it in comfort and he knows it will be 16-20 FPS slower then it’s IBO rating if tested in comfort so he avoids testing it comfort now. It had lots of vibration and he tried to even spin that positively by saying it was just barely more than the others. It’s a pattern now with him, a few years ago the SR350 was shooting 18 FPS slow and in the redo test he tightened the limb bolts so it was at 72 pounds then tested it to make it look better. He never let the other bows test at 72 pounds. He softens the blow to Bowtech because if he told the truth they might not let him be a dealer. He always asked people to comment but he will never reply to anyone.

Why is the Onnex C clicking when he reaches full draw like that??

@douglasvaughn9530

8 ай бұрын

It's not...

@jessegillenwater

8 ай бұрын

@@douglasvaughn9530 thinking about getting one. Is this a common thing??

Bowtech is a manufacturer that entices me, but doesn’t sell me unfortunately. Carbon bows by default in my experience should be lighter, that’s one main reason you buy carbon. Oh well, let’s see what some of the other big names come out with this year.

@sheyanderson4371

8 ай бұрын

Marketing will tell you

@hunthealthy1018

8 ай бұрын

@@sheyanderson4371 True, true. Generally, I haven’t been a fan of Bowtech’s draw cycle ever since I tried the RPM 350. Just hasn’t felt right to me. I know, some guys like them a lot. I tried the Carbon One last year and it was not comfortable to draw, even in Comfort Mode. Dunno why, just wasn’t. Now to your point, I think they’re a great company and they make great bows for anyone that’s in the market for them. Any new shooter that asks me what is the best and I always tell them: “The best bow is the one that feels the best to you, don’t buy a brand because of a name, or because your buddy says they’re the best bow on the market, invest in a bow that will perform well in YOUR hands.”

They should have just made it stream line and get rid of the bulging dampner holes. Looks silly

Faster then hoyt

I thought those centralized dampeners was a good idea. Now, with your vibration test, it looks like it is just a marketing gimmick. 😂 Better settle with limb dampeners… It will probably work better. 👍

Just tewll the truth,you're a biased Bowtechie. Thats fine They make a decent bow for sure. But they lost speeds over the years. Bowtech was our speed bow and new gagetry company. Though gagetry is still strong, these 2 cams are getting slower,sure less vibe, but they don't draw any easier except maybe Hoyt ?

What’s the point? It’s the same weight? Lol Don’t they understand the point of carbon is to lighten the bow?? Lmao

4.8 lbs carbon dumpster fire..... why buy a bowtech carbon???? and don't say cuz it won't get cold. a 10$ wrap will take care of that.

@sheyanderson4371

8 ай бұрын

Why buy any carbon bow? Hundreds of dollars of markup for .5lb less weight and overall less durability? If carbon bows were the same price as their aluminum counterparts, there is an argument, but until that happens, carbon isn't worth it at all, no matter the manufacturer.

@jaysonsulser6099

8 ай бұрын

a@@sheyanderson4371 AGREED!!

Not a carbon guy at all.

Yawn...

Just another China riser bow 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Gah that bow is ugly in that camo!

What a disappointment.

Bowtech is getting worse year by year. They are completely lost. Without clear direction, only copy mathews and hoyt way, but with worse results. Sorry for them, i uesd to be a bowtech fun. But 4 years ago i went with hoyt and i will not return anymore with that situatiob

@colety04

3 ай бұрын

and what have they copied

Those extensions to make the 33” bow are ridiculous, how cheesy bowtech! 😩