Thanks for the video and I'll have to grab one before the 15th of October.

Very nice to see someone who is actually honest and calls it like they see it. I also find it lazy they launched this bow with little to no change from previous models.

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

We just wanted to be up front about it.

@richandkidarcheryandoutdoo4372

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's lazy, I think it's more that it saves cost meaning the end product is cheaper for the consumer. Otherwise you'd probably pay the 1600 for a new carbon bowtech riser

@livingadreamlife1428

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikesArchery Instead of competing with PSE-Mathews-Hoyt at the $1,600 price point, their marketing strategy is to go after those who want a carbon bow at half the price. Actually a good strategy as they will sell more bows and make more money as there are more customers.

Gave it a thumbs up 👍 just for the intro.

Yes I had the karbon kure same riser except the cams ate the cables

Hey! Ironton, Ohio let’s go man!!!

What about mdx by mission/mathews? I have dtx hype. Nice draw cycle. That is key for me.

Cause it works and still lightest

I've been shooting a carbon knight since 2014 :) I will never put it down:)

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

Not arguing that it’s not a nice bow and reasonably priced for a carbon riser. They just keep trying to introduce it as something new and it really isn’t.

I have a 2010 Bowtech Diamond Black Ice. Do you think this bow would be a significant upgrade?

I love mine. 286fps with a 400 grain arrow. That has to be on the comfort setting. On performance setting with 430 grain arrow mine comes in at 296 fps.

does anyone know the setoff for this bow? I've been looking all over and cant seem to find anything on it.

I've shot my carbon knight since 2014.i love my bow I want to try the zion but I'm good where I'm at

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

Still a nice bow! And IMO you wouldn’t be changing a whole lot

The problem with Bowtech's carbon riser is that over time it will start to deform from the pressure it's constantly under.

@tybowhunter8987

3 жыл бұрын

I have not had that issue with mine and i got it back in 2015.

@iUHoosierfan

3 жыл бұрын

I took my 2014 Overdrive to my local shop in November to get new strings and cables put on it. When he started working on it, he called me to tell me that it was all jacked up and the riser was bent. He sent it back to Bowtech and because I registered it originally it was still under warranty. They called today and told me I can get the Zion or Amplify and owe nothing, or get the Revolt or Revolt X for an additional $325. That’s why I’m researching all of them right now.

@spetzie5

Жыл бұрын

This was an issue with the earlier carbon bows by bowtech. I have spoken to 3 shops that sell the zions. All of them have said they have had no problems with the bow anytime they come back in for retuning. You can't judge a bow by how older models preformed. I have one and so does a friend (friends owned his a couple of years) absolutely no problems. The bow that had the problem was the carbon knight which is quite an old bow now.

Honestly I like the truth of the video. I've shot the bow it does shoot great no doubt about it. I've shot older models and the newest model. But like the video said bowtech seems lazy in there carbon line keeping the same riser introducing it as something new. Still really enjoy the vids keep it up.

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@06XLF150

2 жыл бұрын

You mean like Hoyt... and PSE...? Carbon risers cost way to much to develop to just drop a new one every other year. Aluminum risers are as easy as uploading a new cut record into a CNC machine, carbon stuff is not that easy at all lol

Whats the big difference between the carbon icon vs the carbon Zion?

Mike, what's your pick and why? I'm needing some help on my next selection..... 1. Bowtech Reckoning Hunting Bow - 2. Bowtech Revolt X - 3. Hoyt Carbon RX4 Turbo - 4. Mathews V3 31 - 5. Mathews V3 27

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

From that list probably the revolt x or reckoning. Have not had a chance to shoot the Mathews yet.

@milkrvr4088

3 жыл бұрын

Get an xpedition dlx that’s a sweet bow the new x series are also good

How does the Zion compare to the Mission MXR?

Why change it if it works?

My problem with a lot of bows I pick up, is the grips are awful, and they always got a squared off corner that rubs thumb knuckle area. Hard to believe in the times we are in technology wise, they cant get a good grip to go with the ridiculous price tags.

Whats the let-off for this bow?

I have two overdrives, both ended up with warped risers, the only real reliable carbon bow is a mach one.

I actually called diamond a few months back and offered some suggestions, told them the black ice and liberty were some of the smoothest bows there were that if they brought back those bows with cams with a little better let off they would be a great hit! He told me go shoot a sb1, I dont think so, ill spend the extra 300 and buy a real bow! And I've been watching a whole bunch of your reviews, thank you

@rootrriddr6181

3 жыл бұрын

Now hold on a minute, I bought the sb1 as my very first bow ever, started at 55 lbs 29.5 dl pushed my self to diligently become proficient @20,30,45 yards, now at 70 lbs, I've killed 4 hogs with it one at night, I replaced the stabilizer with true glow green light, 2 at 20, 2 at 40, I'm 60 love the compact size, wonderful draw cycle, solid back wall, consistency in accuracy, is it perfect by no means, for the price point decent little shooter, I certainly don't impress anyone when I take it to the bow shop for a check up, but I'm ok with that. Just saying

@danielcondon1607

3 жыл бұрын

@@rootrriddr6181 Hi Mark! I'm not downing the bow by any means, just saying that IMHO their bows from the past were smoother draw cycle. I still have a 06 diamond liberty that I will keep forever, its a 60lb bow and shooting a 380 grain arrow im getting 270 fps out of it. However, I just got a mathews v3 31 and nothing compared to its draw cycle.

@rootrriddr6181

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielcondon1607 I know, I was just making conversation, it's a youths bow, up grades-qad dropaway rest, roller cable guard, string and cables, light for my pinsight, definitely upped the cost, lam now getting a slight cam lean on the upper and there's nothing to correct it, myself also am going to the v3 better investment and wanting to push out to 50,60 yards . Here in Texas no restrictions on hogs 24/7/365, RootRRiddR out.

@danielcondon1607

3 жыл бұрын

@@rootrriddr6181 I live in Florida, getting permission on private is like pulling teeth! Hogs are also considered invasive here, but land owners rather hire trappers. There's a subdivision about an hour from me ate up with them and healthy as u could possibly imagine! Fwc here won't help us hunt the public parks nor the countys! The only reason I mentioned draw cycles on the bows are because I have a real bad scapula injury. A silky smooth draw all the way through with no humps is of upmost priority to not reagravate it again. When time comes shoot as many bows as you can they are all are different! Even if you have to drive to 2 or 3 different shops. Your a hunter I got the feeling you know what to do 🤣 My next favorite bow was the elite kure

Hearing a guy say a bow with a sub 7" brace height is "high" and "forgiving" makes me feel like I am out of touch. When I started 7" was short and unforgiving. But bow years are like computer years. 5 years is a long time and 20 is an eternity. That said, I have a Carbon Icon and love it. This bow is pretty much the same but with a new grip and harmonic dampeners which the bow needed. I am glad to see the changes. Still, this new version is not different enough to make me want to switch.

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

I totally understand what you are saying!

Why does bowtech show on their website a “new and improved grip”??

@sportsman70004

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I wanted to know when he says same riser for years

What grain arrow were you shooting?

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

We shoot a 400gr arrow in our tests. We forgot to mention it in this video. Thanks for watching.

The bow is also Torque sensitive!

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

I would not disagree with you. It is partially due to the wider grip.

Not all carbon risers are created equally..

They should sell it as the flagship diamond bow if they're just gonna keep using an old design.

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

Well this riser has been the flagship riser in the diamond line for at least the last 3 years as the Diamond Deploy.

@Picard80

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikesArchery Why buy a Diamond deploy if the Zion is now cheaper? Great honnest review - Thank you!

When something works, there is no reason to fix it

I love it!!! your vid that is, you didnt sugar coat it!!!! Same bow,, hahahah.!

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Look at hoyt lmao they are pretty well all the same rx series

You are Shooting some bows with peep, some with peep and loop and some without peep. At least you should mention this fact at your speed test, It makes up to 15 fps difference.....

I’d never buy another Bowtech carbon riser bows. They are known to warp… you’ll be replacing in 4-5 years from now as the cams start to lean so bad you’ll be afraid to shoot it. Do a search for “carbon riser warping” and you’ll see what I mean

@EinsteinTeachedYou

2 жыл бұрын

Had mine from 2015 no problems false news

@jimschmitt650

2 жыл бұрын

@@EinsteinTeachedYou I promise you its not…

@jimschmitt650

2 жыл бұрын

@@EinsteinTeachedYou kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWeKzqqbk7vYpsY.html

@michaelcolosky5468

2 жыл бұрын

Then you get a new bow every few years, lifetime warranty.

@jimschmitt650

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelcolosky5468 not in my case. They have pretty much told me to piss off since the bow was gifted to me by a Pro-Staff member and I didn’t purchase it outright. Their “lifetime” warranty comes with some fine print…

I was excited when I seen new:2021 bows by bowtech, as soon as Il heard carbon riser I new it was going to be the same bow that their been renaming for years.. Don't get me wrong I love bowtech but the way they keep selling the same riser with a different name is insulting people's intelligence, even a dumb ass like me who can't spell can see what's going on.

@MikesArchery

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

He doesn’t know crap

Not sure why everybody has to bag on reputable companies that come up with a great design and leave it alone then keep selling them. Quality and durability at a affordable price point is where your money and reputation hold. Can't tell any or convince any of these monkeys that on GLOCK pistols, Cold Steel, Benchmade, Zero Tolerance, ESEE, Busse Combat etc etc knives either. Not on Gibson or Fender guitars either or American pickup trucks from Ford and Chevy. I don't want to buy a "new" piece of crap! I'm not spending $1,700 - $2,500 on a bow either and I'm old enough to know and have been doing this long enough that a $500 compound bow was considered "expensive". I still have and use my 1997 Jennings Starmaster Advantage Camo......SMH

Terrible looking bow, thanks for the honest review.