Dissecting Aorta not withstanding, PED use certainly didn’t help the situation. As for his circle, the closer you are to someone, the more you have a duty to call them out on self destructive/toxic behaviors. Bostin spent his entire adult life pushing the limits of PED use and he paid the price. I feel like he was cheered, validated and commended all through this process. His openness and honesty garnered support and popularity from random strangers on the internet. It may have even gotten him a measure of financial reward because of the spotlight that was shone upon his reckless behavior Bostin may be a cautionary tale and a martyr for complete strangers but what about his family? The people he had more of a moral obligation to be there for? The “fans” who appreciated his honesty and respected him won’t be there to raise his family. They’ll find the next guy to latch onto and to cheer into an early grave. This is a tremendously frustrating and sad state of human affairs and should not be replicated by anyone.

@Ryy22

2 жыл бұрын

This needs to be massively liked, or even better pinned

@S3EKAND3STR0Y

2 жыл бұрын

His chronic hypertension from the PEDS is what most likely led to he dissection. The situation is really sad and I hope people learn from this.

@zarathustra007

2 жыл бұрын

well said

@MostafaElSakari

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@k-v-d1795

2 жыл бұрын

Peptide - > Stage 5 Kidney failure - > Refusing dialysis & Continue training heavy - > Potasium levels increasing progressively and spiking due to heavy training - > Death

Dave Palumbo will never say anabolics was a contributing factor to deaths. He'll blame everything on genetics. Mr. Palumboism himself!!!

@richardhorvatichfittrader

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people using steroids try to find every other potential cause, its their bias. However most if not all bodybuilding deaths this year, all related to steroids. We dont see death upon death in natural lifters do we? Pretty damned obvious to those of us not in denial.

@sebastianconstantin5176

2 жыл бұрын

dave had genetic predisposition for palumboism. lol

@kingshabazz1310

2 жыл бұрын

Anabolic ABUSE. Saying steroids alone killed him without taking into account the dosages and abuse is like saying alcohol killed someone with liver disease. No, it was the abuse of alcohol.

@tellall23

2 жыл бұрын

@@malcolmdcwwed All top pros death are due to Steroids And if any of them were "genetically predisposed" then all that PED usage did was to accelerate the process there. Too many examples.

@JesusChrist2000BC

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianconstantin5176 Dave has a genetic predisposition to bullsh$ting

As someone who's worked in this field for along time, the way Dave tries to blame genetics is really shitty. We see cases like this on 70+ year old heavy heavy smokers who have drank and smoked all their life, basically people who massively abuse their bodies. This was abuse not genetics.

@alnilam8048

2 жыл бұрын

You dont know what you are talking about

@alnilam8048

2 жыл бұрын

@President Obama Get off internet , sleepy joe need you. And he dont know what he is talking about , its clear he has no experience.

@deverd9771

2 жыл бұрын

@@alnilam8048 i think everybody can agree that abusing your body will lead to problems sooner rather than later wether you have good genetics or bad genetics

@alnilam8048

2 жыл бұрын

@@deverd9771 I know bro, I am just trolling

@cam311123

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds pretty confidently incorrect

Thanks Derek for not spewing BS to our faces like Dave just did. Bostin seemed like the type of guy who valued transparency and honesty.

@Ribo138

2 жыл бұрын

This is the whole point of Bostins insane usage. And it worked to prove his point. Rest In Peace.

@Willyk200921

2 жыл бұрын

L

@DibIrken

2 жыл бұрын

Bostin wasn't exactly honest about his cause for kidney failure. He was in denial about his abuse of drugs as the culprit of the disease till the end.

@Ribo138

2 жыл бұрын

@@DibIrken huh I thought he was. You probably know better than i do.

@thomasopp9104

2 жыл бұрын

@@DibIrken he blamed it only on FTTP and thought that his usual creatinine level of 2.0 (or thereabouts) was not terrible "for a bodybuilder. He mentioned this on Dave's show when he announced his kidney failure

While I can respect guys like Bostin for being transparent at a certain point you need to start seriously thinking about therapy to help you deal with your body issues. When you have a young child it's beyond irresponsible to KNOWLINGLY destroy your health just so you can pursue your boyhood dream of looking like a He-man action figure.

@osuk1

2 жыл бұрын

Can't save people from themselves.

@Kordon87

2 жыл бұрын

Some people are their own worst enemy.

@VA-gu1jq

2 жыл бұрын

@@12xenn45 Why would you make such an assumption? Him caring about family, and being an idiot with his body are not mutually exclusive.

@HUGEACT-MAN

2 жыл бұрын

His boyhood dream is a serious as bruce Jenner feeling that he was and is a woman. Bostin didn't identify with his body. His feelings were much deeper than boyhood dreams. Trust me. I have the "feelings" too. You're not wrong, I just think it's more serious than you portrayed it.

@masonsweet1300

2 жыл бұрын

@@HUGEACT-MAN bruh you're way off

Yes Dave every bodybuilder that has died in the last few years are purely coincidentally just genetic issues

@gosteelelersandpie

2 жыл бұрын

^^^^^^^ I’m sure there’s both sides to this; maybe far more of us aren’t ‘perfect’, but our lifestyle makes it a non issue. I had someone close to me obese die of something ‘that could happen to anyone’. I’d imagine the dice these individuals with strain on their bodies roll have a lot less numbers on them.

@tmcurly

Ай бұрын

Nah this is about steroid abuse don’t be in denial. We are not haters but part of this community. We gotta have honest discussions in order to save others.

Dave is like a broken record whenever a bodybuilder abusing gear dies. What he is saying is negligent and exactly what these guys want to hear to justify their life shortening lifestyle.

@SB-nh7uv

2 жыл бұрын

so true, he is delusional

@Dan16673

2 жыл бұрын

Its always genetics him. Its never lifestyle. He is fuxking usless

@deleqtronica8733

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair to him, when Bostin was alive Dave said his own health and longevity was important to him and he asked if Bostin was worried for himself and he said no. Bostin was going to die of too much gear, one way or another, he was beyond addicted, not defending Dave or anything but he doesn’t seem to be a complete moron.

@SB-nh7uv

2 жыл бұрын

@@deleqtronica8733 really? he said no with stage 5 kidney failure? thats crazy xd

@theironsheik6322

2 жыл бұрын

He could show some nuance. Use does not mean abuse. Millions of people use steroids and don't drop dead in their 20's. Abuse, however, is a different story.

A: Hey, Johnny succumbed to his lung cancer today. B: damn, guess he shouldnt have smoked so much. A: nah, it was genetic, his dad had throat cancer too. B: you mean his dad that also smoked a pack a day? A: but genetics tho...

@pizzlerot2730

Жыл бұрын

Aight Dave 🤣

@mikemorris9902

Жыл бұрын

Dave's a clown

still so surreal reading ''autopsy'' for him.. can't believe he is gone. been following this guy since 2015. RIP Bostin

@1ButtonDash

2 жыл бұрын

no offense but you "can't believe he's gone"? Really? People were saying 10 years ago this guy wouldn't make it to his 30's

@Lee-xs2jt

2 жыл бұрын

@@1ButtonDash right. i can believe it

@jonathanjacobs1870

2 жыл бұрын

Lmap you cant believe. Are you blind???

@nookie077

2 жыл бұрын

You always get the cliche response to people passing from some people.

@amadeus5403

2 жыл бұрын

I used to buy “research chemicals” off his website :) Yeah, heavy blasting of PEDs without interruption for a decade straight isn’t too safe I’d say.

Cause of death: being too swole son. It's definitely tragic, bostin helped save many lives.

@Artak091

2 жыл бұрын

@@JesusChrist-fz7pj and Jesus is miring them gains and that sick pump.

People like Dave and gym bros always say anabolics were not the cause of death when things like this happen.

@suefitness5613

2 жыл бұрын

@JET MECH You think the vaccine is what caused his heart attack, over abusing steroids. Whatever you say lol

@wr2899

2 жыл бұрын

@@suefitness5613 I didn’t see jet mention the vaccine to be fair

@suefitness5613

2 жыл бұрын

@JET MECH Go somewhere else with your conspiracy shit. These guys are taking all types of PEDs in large quantities but surely the vaccine is more relevant. Bostin wasn’t vaccinated and these bodybuilders have been dying since way before the vaccine.

@johnkoch1023

2 жыл бұрын

@@wr2899 😂😂

@connivingkhajiit

2 жыл бұрын

@@wr2899 thats actually a reasonable thing to consider

I sincerely hope his family is holding strong, it's incredibly traumatic for a child to lose their father at such a young age,

@zo2779

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it’s not, the kid can’t comprehend right now. It will be in the future tho, but not that kind of trauma.

@satanicmermaid6426

2 жыл бұрын

@@zo2779 wow very insightful, thanks smartass

@Legenda20SLO

2 жыл бұрын

@@satanicmermaid6426 He's actually right.

@treyjetson5320

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe dont breed with roidheads who will die young..

@Django0324

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyjetson5320 maybe not breed at all

Like Derek said, in the end gear was the cause of death. None of the other things would have been an issue without the abuse of gear.

Yep kidney failure patients generally die of a heart attack or stroke because you can’t excrete excess fluid and waste. Shoots your blood pressure through the roof either leading to a burst in your circulatory system, or cardiac arrest due to the chronic stress.

@TheEthan3037

2 жыл бұрын

Electrolyte imbalances that cause fatal arrthymias is what happens. You cant excreet potassium. It builds up. Messes up the muscle contractions of your heart.

@rikmcdik6662

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheEthan3037 oh yeah that too. That’s honestly probably the most common. If you miss dialysis at that point that’s exactly what will happen.

@lorenzkraus6888

2 жыл бұрын

Who could do any gym work with stage 5 kidney failure? Sounds like a hoax.

@rikmcdik6662

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorenzkraus6888 you’d be surprised at what addicts are capable of. Especially steroid addicts.

I ended up with a DVT on my second tren cycle. I am in my 40s and luckily I caught it early and had it taken care of. Needless to say after blood work and that scare, I won't run tren again.

@koesliftsingles9069

2 жыл бұрын

What were your symptoms ?

@jwatson181

2 жыл бұрын

I hope and pray your health is good my friend!

@TheUnholyPosole

2 жыл бұрын

250mg of test, and sometimes add some anavar, don't take anything else. Stay safe, stay healthy.

@ayo9057

2 жыл бұрын

I do not understand why you guys care so much about how you look that you’d take such dangerous drugs.

@shinzantetsu

2 жыл бұрын

I caught a pulmonary embolism from test propionate, I was only 33

AUTOPSY STARTS AT 7:42

@twinkletoes8094

2 жыл бұрын

You're the GOAT

@nixazizu

2 жыл бұрын

Tnx

@joquin4618

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Dave holds the old school thought process of where are the bodies, from anabolics. He is part of the problem for those who take advice from him 🙄

@dannyf5595

2 жыл бұрын

The “show me the bodies” line in bigger faster stronger was one of the most damaging lines in the fitness industry

@1988NickF

2 жыл бұрын

This past year really seems to have provided the bodies.

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

Probably largely true up unto a certain point in time

Condolences to his wife and kids. I hope that they find peace in their hearts and that they have a bright and happy future. Sorry for their lose.

@kevinjoseph517

3 ай бұрын

kids or 1

For someone who made it 3 years into med school, Dave is clueless

@sssd3461

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you think huge amounts of dr*gs are healthy?

@theprodigalson4003

2 жыл бұрын

He did???

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

Why didn't you finish boy

@incognito-px3dz

2 жыл бұрын

>made it 3 years into almost doesn't count

@carloshernandez129

2 жыл бұрын

Dave is selfish and "squirrel!" For his own purposes

As a former law enforcement officer who investigated deaths.......NEVER....EVER.....believe what someone tells you was on an autopsy report. You must see the report. To report on the report. I have first hand experience with doctors lawyers and families fighting to get thing's added to an autopsy report. Families and relatives will often de emphasize certain things and emphasize others. Good on you for this honest take.

@mrwilliamwonder

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds of when police seek blood of victims they hit head on during police chases. Not the person they were chasing. hoping to find some one part per billon of THC, they may have used 2 monsters ago.

@Azletrack

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true, people will be in denial when it’s someone who knows them. Look at suicides, a lot will claim the person never would’ve committed suicide because they were so ‘happy’

@user-zh6sh8qv9k

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrwilliamwonder yeah I don't think that's in the same ballpark

@dt76028

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! I don’t believe Dave at all.

@travelreview5962

2 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks man i never would have thought about that. You have now helped me more than every other law enforcement officer combined throughout the totality of my life.

I had been taking pre-workout for ~1yr straight. I also had 1-2 cups of coffee a day plus a 0cal mt. dew. Found out my multivitamin also had caffeine in it. Turns out I was hitting around 6-700mg caffeine a day. My body basically went into flight/fight mode even when I was sleeping. Spent around 10-11 months suffering withdrawal symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks while sleeping. Finally now have relief and sleeping through the night. Caffeine is honestly not that great for you. You'd be amazed how much better you feel and recover once you get REAL deep sleep that is 7+hours.

@sssd3461

2 жыл бұрын

you sure it was caffein not something else?

@deepwoodmotte4136

2 жыл бұрын

do your research. Yes, it is healthy in moderation. It's you that suffer from anxiety and panic attacks... with or without caffeine

@Goosey999

2 жыл бұрын

Yep I was having around 500mg of caff a day, if I missed one of my coffees I would feel extremely tired. Couldn’t train unless I had pre-workout. Always waking up tired because my body wasn’t getting good quality sleep. Caffeine dependence is a big problem but most people who are addicted will obviously say it’s perfectly fine.

@johnkingshares

2 жыл бұрын

@@deepwoodmotte4136 - right, but 700mg per day is not “moderation”

@hanskazan7403

2 жыл бұрын

@@Goosey999 some people at my work drinking around 15-20 cups a day no joke thats probaly 1300 mgs orso lol just drug addicts same as smoking etc

Completely agree, Derek. Him flat-out saying, "his death wasn't due to any of the chronic damage he had done" seems like an absurd statement to be making -- especially considering he's not a physician and really has no business making assumptions like this.

@NateB

Жыл бұрын

Whether you’re a physician or not doesn’t have much to do with it .

@markvonschober6872

Жыл бұрын

Dave did go to school for a doctorate, how far he made it?

@Annoye

7 ай бұрын

@@markvonschober6872the front door

Anyone still using Dave Palumbo for advice is sadly mistaken, when I first got into bodybuilding I looked up to him as a vast well of information. But now, I can’t help but cringe at how idiotic his takes are on health and even steroid science. Proof that going to med school contributes next to nothing to your knowledge on health, as people like Derek and Steve have provided much more concrete and valuable health tips in the past year than Dave has in his entire KZread career.

@KianF

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimborampage exactly, he used to always tout that he “almost graduated med school” and used that as a call to authority, come to find out it meant jack shit

@Ozchuck

2 жыл бұрын

He did like a year at med school and dropped out. People with exercise science degrees are much smarter than Dave.

@DurpenHeimer

2 жыл бұрын

He did not finish med school

Dissecting Aorta is definitely worsened by high blood-pressure. Risk is increased by Marfan's Syndrome and Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. I listened to an old clip of Bostin describing his entire stack and it is honestly baffling anyone can survive that for that long. Even Aortic Dissection can be managed with blood-pressure medication and it usually happens to older people. To drop dead instantly at 29 years old should be a big red flag to anyone. Kidney failure requiring dialysis is, while it may not be strictly related to risk of Aorta Dissection, in and of itself life-threatining.

@rikmcdik6662

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. And when you destroy your kidneys you can’t piss out excess fluid and it shoots your blood pressure through the roof. The trifecta of the heart, lungs, and kidneys are strong, but if you mess up one the other two are going to get fucked.

@Mr_Donald_Pump

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that comment. People without medical education saying it's "genetics" is the dumbest thing ever. There is no disease that isn't related to genetics in any way because literally everything in the human body is. That doesn't mean you can live however you want without consequences. If you increase your risk of disease by 90% then genetics wasn't the determining factor.

@walsh9354

2 жыл бұрын

Idk you can state Marfans syndrome & then be shocked about ppl dying young of dissection ? Unless you did a google search not understanding marfan’s syndrome ? Many of your basketball players, volleyball have marfans & these athletes with this usually do die young

@rikmcdik6662

2 жыл бұрын

@@walsh9354 stop abusing the Genetics Brand Copium tablets. This is almost weekly now in bodybuilding all under 50. Plus they test for conditions like Marfan in professional sports so they don’t pay somebody who might die or be out for health. This is steroid abuse. Not genetics.

@good_call

2 жыл бұрын

@@walsh9354 I actually study medicine, so I should know. But thanks for clearing that up (y)

Well yeah, if his dad had the same condition and had it fixed in his 50’s and is still alive then it could be possible that Bostin’s drug use helped to fast track his death….right?

@mrloqqe1610

2 жыл бұрын

seems kinda logical

@shinske3564

2 жыл бұрын

I'm no health professional..but that would be my assumption. I know hgh and other compounds have the ability to multiply things like cancerous cells etc. Just sad man...

@hamachisashimi6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@DCJayhawk57 A combination of Predisposition to heart disease and drugs that tax the central nervous system. Not much more analysis is needed.

Good morning Derek hope your doing well and having a great week so far and thank you for sharing

I'm a survivor of Aortic dissection, the most painful experience of my life, My heart go's out to his family

DUDE I had no idea he died. I totally remember watching that transformation video back in the day at our local supp shop lol. What a shame, rip.

So sad what happened to Bostin. RIP Big man, God bless your family. Thanks for the break down and spreading awareness Derek. Always good content brother.

Derek, I gotta say, when I was younger, I almost promised myself that I would try out steroids after the age of 30, but even at 31 now I realize how unnecessary steroids are in the context of bodybuilding is unnecessary. Videos like this reinforce my decisions to never try steroids over the years, and I feel like your knowledge allows me this confidence in my decisions. I love lifting, I look better and feel better after, and that’s enough. Thank you

@currbag

2 жыл бұрын

Dude that's awsome. I caved in my early 20s thinking it would bring me happiness. But it became the opposite. An addiction that caused depression anxiety and furthered body image issues. Been off them now for 5 years with a lot of hard work and tough days. Thank god that is over and I got out with My health

@glasssteagall3400

2 жыл бұрын

Chicken.

@BerzerkSquid

2 жыл бұрын

@@currbag quitter

@levischittlord6558

2 жыл бұрын

@@currbag I quit in my early 20's because of longevity, it's been a 20 year wait and I can't wait to hop on again 😂

@kras230

2 жыл бұрын

@@currbag still working on getting off myself. Started in high-school before I even really knew what steroids were and did. Early 20s were pretty intense cycles thst I wouldn't recommend to anyone, took a 4 year break and hopped back on test running lower dose test only these days. I'm extremely proactive about my health a harm reduction but I do hope to get off for good one day in the future

Man Derek. The way you're able to approach your contrary observations. Respond intelligently. And not allow anything to go undiscussed. It's truly inspiring and comes through in every one of your videos. I appreciate that you don't shy away from the difficult questions. You're especially brave to call out other industry participants without hesitation. I value your transparency and honesty. I strive to model your courageous integrity my brother. Cheers.

You're 100% right and you basically said the same things I couldn't successfully articulate to my friends the past couple of days. Sending them this video.

Man I remember watching the Physiques of Greatness reaction to Bostins transformation in like 2013 and that was my introduction to the world of PEDS. Always enjoyed his input on Leo's podcast. Sad to see him go. He's somewhere up there doing 3cc of synthol with Rich Piana. Rip.

@TheVeryAngryShrimp

2 жыл бұрын

For real, I'm still mourning Rich :( Bigger by the Day never gets old.

@ogrepubes2396

2 жыл бұрын

And gooooooooooooood damnnnnnnnn

@ElegyVio

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

@ElegyVio

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVeryAngryShrimp Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

@ElegyVio

2 жыл бұрын

@@ogrepubes2396 Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

Aorta Dissecting happened to my friend when he was 31. He never had a drink never smoked never went to gym. Normal guy but he was one in a milion because he survived. RIP Bostin.

@playfair9920

2 жыл бұрын

He was just walking on his way to work.

Palumbo sounded like a lawyer explaining that it was a car that killed someone, but the fact the driver was drunk didn’t have anything to do with it. It was just the car and the road it took.

this increased my health anxiety by 1000

@blendrestelica967

2 жыл бұрын

De attach my friend, just because it happened to him wont happen to me , he is he and I am me, simple as that, beside checking ur self theres nothing else u can do, stay safe and healthy.

I know that Bostins personality and great character will always be remembered by me. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends 😔😔😔

@nameless1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@Midwesterncowboy99 did his family and friends pass as well? or you cant read?

MPMD is a god send for the fitness community. providing a great deal of info and not trying to push BS. Thanks!

@js-gstrength4190

2 жыл бұрын

No, he lets guys know how to use substances that kill people. We should only preach and teach the natural way

@iguessso1790

2 жыл бұрын

@@js-gstrength4190 if they are going to do it anyway, might as well teach them how to do it safely

@parkermartin9910

2 жыл бұрын

@@js-gstrength4190 no one gives a shit about being natty, and MPMD does not push being natty, so if that's your take you're ignorant. He himself is on TRT, he wants people to be responsible and moderate their gear usage.

@freeffree4133

Жыл бұрын

You mean steroid community?

I appreciate Derek being honest and so unbiased about something that would negatively effect his business. Respect.

I hope Leo comes back to talk about Kidney Failure, my father is in Stage 4 and it’s been so helpful.

Derek, that @13:20 blood clot in the leg thing could totally be hereditary. My family has thrombosis, a condition that you just described. Thankfully I carry the weaker polymorphism, but I am not so sure that you can catch those things 100% of the time even with precautions put in place.

This was very much to be expected. I hope young bodybuilders learn from his mistakes.

@iscreamfitness

2 жыл бұрын

True still sad

@johnjay6370

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so, They will just say he over did it and will convince themselves they will know better.

@beewalk34

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnjay6370 exactly. Be prepared for Nick Walker next... it truly is sad.

@nickher3298

2 жыл бұрын

Steroids killssss

@johnjay6370

2 жыл бұрын

@@beewalk34 What i do and have been for the last few years is listen to the bodybuilders talking. Listen to them always sounding like they are out of breath or are about to gasp for air. It is because the high blood pressure and low injection rate. Just listen next time when they interview someone you know is on gear.... I have for the last few years now and it is alarming.

Love your channel, Derek. Glad to have you around.

Derek I'm very compassionate about this subject and these individuals please do your research on them please I would more than love for tku to do a episode on them

I remember this guy back in the day. It's so sad he died. He looked so happy and proud of his one year transformation. If only he knew then where that journey was leading him.

Dave doesn’t want to hurt his drug business by saying steroids played a direct role in speeding up Bostins death. Cant wait for Leo’s take on this too.

thx for this mate. Bostin will be missed by many,He was a good man with a big heart. He did everything to himself being fully aware of the risks he was taking. He had integrity and was always completely transparent about experimwnts he was running, He never suggested anyone should follow his footsteps. R.I.P. pioneer

Good job Darwin, keep up the great work 👍

Thank you Derek for making more sense than delusional Dave... I understand it must feel horrible to have a "friend" dying from abusing steroids, peptides, EPO, other drugs, and realizing you didn't do shit to make him stop... And that you even encouraged him by inviting him on his shows for self promotion....

Dave has a confirmation bias when it comes to steroids and is willing to blame other factors which are obviously contributing factors but we all know that if boston didn't abuse the amount of substances he did he would still be here and maybe this issue would of manifested itself in a few decades.

@codygonzalez9486

2 жыл бұрын

That makes zero sense. He started the video by saying that it was gear. Like 6 minutes in the video hes still talking about gear. He doesn't have a bias at all. He bring all contributions to his death and will most likely create a second video with more information.

@davidhughes1825

2 жыл бұрын

@@HkFinn83 Didn't expected anything anything I'm just calling a spade a spade.

That's why we need you Derek to teach us the truth and safety of compounds

Damn bro sorry about your friend. I got a blood clot in my calf about 6 months ago. Got home and had pain deep in my calf. Thought I pulled a muscle. I noticed my calf was very warm and I had a dark vein in my leg. I went to the hospital that night and got on blood thinners and I’m still kicking! Praise God.

Much love Derek for showing the valid truths of bodybuilding.

I feel as though the recent openness of steroid use in the fitness industry has almost made it worse. Because now more people want to try and hop on gear then ever before. It almost feels helpless staying natty with all the pressure and temptations being pushed around the internet

how do you keep track and check on your organs and other stuff if you don't have insurance ? What are some more basic cheaper tests that should give some kind of idea of where your at until you have the resources to do the imaging and better tests ? Can MPMD make a video on what testing to get done starting with more basic stuff and explain better ?

I'm really glad he mentioned that your in bodybuilding your muscles get stronger wayyy faster than tendons and can result in injury. It's the same with bone too and I learned it the hard way through an injury that took me out of training for a year

"Dave Palumbo blames bodybuilders death in genetics" What a shock ! He can never admit drug use is the cause of death ever. Its so frustrating.

Man the bodybuilding community is so delusional when it comes to drugs just because they “look healthy” I can see how some people are literal junkies for these drugs it’s sad man

That initial transformation video was taken in one of the restrooms at my gym in Cali. That room still looks the same and I think about that each time I go in there... Sad

Found this video late, but there is a very common generic condition that affects 2% or more of males that makes aortic dissection much more common. I have this condition it is called a "bicuspid aortic valve" Unless your MD hears a murmur which isn't a given, mine is very hard to hear. It has limitations on the amount of weight I can lift, I'm not recommended to lift more than 50 lbs or do isometric exercises as they put most strain on your heart. If you do lots of heavy lifting it is a condition to be aware of that could take you out without ever knowing. I'd personally recommend an echocardiogram if you get into heavy lifting and/or body building as this condition is more common and if you never know one day your aorta could just give out. Kids get ECGs to play sports but this condition for as common as it is, often is never checked for.

@gur262

9 ай бұрын

I have to assume that concern is about the blood pressure spike really heavy, especially compound movements could cause. I was 120 kg of ... Not Rock hard muscle mostly just obesity at the time, but I could feel that in my skull during heavy legpress. Performance enhancing drugs also cause chronic high blood pressure. So ultimately it still was the roids in any case. Though he might have made it. ..h?2_5 years longer? Don't think they would have given him a fresh organ to destroy anyways

I don't understand, why are people so fascinated with bodybuilding when there are so many health risks? Is body dysmorphia that serious that people can't accept their natural self? In any case, to each his/her own. I will never understand this mindset, and I am a former athlete (football player and wrestler) who have seen teammate's demise - SMH.

@JoshJr98

2 жыл бұрын

It's an addiction like everything else. Working out is good for your health and has a high afterwards but being a body builder just isn't good long term for your body. There's a point where it's not worth it

@cnwil4594

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshJr98 Very well put, my friend. You appear to understand. Why would people continue to subject themselves to such a lifestyle, but as you so eloquently expressed, it is a deep rooted "addiction."

Really good video Derek keep it up

Been following Bostin for a long time. I was literally truly sad to hear he passed away. I been watching bostin on Leo’s channel and he’s been actually trying to be on his shit. Definitely my prayers go out to his family and friends. Rip bostin you will be missed

"Despite Bostins crazy protocols and that he was in kidney failure, none of these things seem to have contributed to his death." Please, if you're not a doctor, stfu! What do you think happens to your blood pressure if your kidneys fail? It goes up. What do steroids do to your blood pressure? It goes up. What is a risk factor for a dissection? High blood pressure and atherosclerosis. What's a risk factor for atherosclerosis? High blood pressure and bad LDL to HDL ratio. What do steroids do? Increase LDL, lower HDL.

I used to be a coke head, was seriously sick or injured for 27 out of 29 years. I just wanted to have energy and I got it. I was motivated. Same effect as a good pain killer, makes you feel good enough to do stuff and eventually something fails. Rest easy Bostin

Hi Derek, if I need an answer to a question, where is the best place to leave you a message. I've left numerous messages and I have yet to receive an answer. The only time I got an answer to a question is when I purchased some gorilla mind products.

Hey Derek was wondering what your opinion on prestige labs preworkout. Essentially there's 2 pre workouts you stack (name: pre-step 1, pre-step 2)(one just being a caffiene pill) with a price tag of $95 dollars. To me it seems ridiculous but would love to see a supp. breakdown

An estimated +1800 young lifters died between 2020 & 2021. Sad part, they were not famous. Many poor in countries that don't perform autopsy. Life is a risk. Choose wisely. SARMs, peptides, EPO, HGH, HCG, test,......all have side affect. To what level? No one knows for certain. Each person will react differently based on many factors, health status, combination of other chemicals,.... vanity the devil's favorite sin. In med school we learned about steroids for cancer patients and to treat muscle loss from disease and other such rehabilitation applications. Nowadays all these products have been taken to a whole new level.

@natereynolds2783

2 жыл бұрын

It ain't worth it considering how much we lose in health to go on gear, and how much training methods for naturals are improving every year. Look at average strength standards for elite lifters 40 years ago versus now. We focus more on better sleep, food, water, and especially training, and as a result lifters are so much more impressive even naturally. There's linear periodzation, better information on exercises and variations and sets versus reps, conjugate, flexibility, explosiveness and how that relates to tonnage and therefore size, more info on injury prevention, nuclei overload, and different training styles, like strongmen and athletes like powerlifters. And while we might be weaker compared to gearheads, we will be stronger into old age, age relatively decently(And if we need TRT, it will help mortality, not kill it), live longer, suffer less issues, and we get to say it was all us, and we become less body dysphoric. And while side effects are specific in individuals, across the board you are looking at a 25-30 year loss of life. I want to see my grandkids, and I don't want my life to end early due to drug abuse. I know most people who made up their minds to do drugs won't listen to me, but at the very least, learn more about training, and milk a low dose instead of blasting. My dad's father died of similar health choices at around 45-50, and I never saw him after 3 years old. I don't remember him. So please, at the very least do not use drugs as a crutch and train smart AND hard. Your body will thank you.

23:00 when bodybuilders crash their E2 to be "dry" is probably the main contributor. This is why its important to keep your E2 relatively high if your testosterone is high, E2 increases collagen production and is cardioprotective.

Thoughts and prayers for a quick recovery. Get well soon Bostin

These stories always keep me from blasting my face off bc i want to so bad so bad… but man this right here so tragic & so sad i cant believe what his family is feeling like right now

Palumbo not giving a nod to the furious PED use... Now, for an accurate breakdown. Thanks Derek.

@panchopuskas1

2 жыл бұрын

What do you expect? Palumbo is a PED guru....from info on what steroids to use to what doses of GH you need......so gotta be genetics, right bro?

@beewalk34

2 жыл бұрын

@@panchopuskas1 lmao 🤣 The guru and founder of Palumboism. He's a true pioneer of the sport

@giuliano2424

2 жыл бұрын

@@beewalk34 it is actually referred to as lennyism now, Palumbo is nowhere near as famous as the legendary big lenny. Fuck that lizard Dave.

@sssd3461

2 жыл бұрын

it's hard to face reality

Many of my family members have had abdominal aortic aneurysms (AAA). I’m in my 30s and take that shit super seriously. I spoke with my doctor about doing prophylactic CT scans

Awesome video on this subject. N way to not hide behind the genetics argument in this situation. Bostin was a great guy for the community, but definitely didn't go the smarter route when it comes to everything going into his body. You and vigorous Steve are absolute essentials to the lifting community, especially in the realm of cycling.

Love your honesty!!

I think the lesson to be learned is that, just because you know the “safe dosages” doesn’t mean you will abide by them. You shouldn’t be doing these drugs at all if you have no reason to, but you especially shouldn’t be doing them if you have no discipline. I see this tragedy as no different from the ones who say “Its just (insert any drug you can smoke or ingest).” Nobody starts with the heavy stuff. It all starts somewhere.

@deleqtronica8733

2 жыл бұрын

There is no NEED to do any PEDs, all this is for vain and addiction. Exercise and working out use to be to be healthy and strong but it seems like it’s being taken to the extreme and people are willing to die lifting weights.

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

@@deleqtronica8733 sterons generally speaking are based, body builders take it too far

bodybuilders dropping like flies these days...

@mrrkkii

2 жыл бұрын

@Blue Too too many factors are there to even start. we cant do anything not even discus bcuz there are so many opinions. In the end its very sad

@thomasmacgruber6701

2 жыл бұрын

Spike proteins and VAIRS killing like they were supposed to do.

@hailtothe_rooster1572

2 жыл бұрын

@Blue Too If he took the vax I’d believe it. He’s in the age range. Just so happens to be an influencer that also takes gear…. Maybe he was healthier before but we won’t know

@amans6504

2 жыл бұрын

The mentality that all calories are equal. Body can handle this much ped abuse if it is treated carefully like eating right at the right time, sleeping enough. Such detrimental health leaves clue, it doesn't happen randomly

@logic_and_fitness9421

2 жыл бұрын

@Blue Too yup. The good ole fauci ouchie is speeding up death. All cause mortality is up 40%

I’m just really happy that I can comfortably not worry about dereck leaving us too soon

If someone is going to competitively bodybuilding, what’s the best health insurance to get in your guys’ experience ? I’m 20 and insurance shopping. Thanks

I’m 31 with major heart issues now found out like 8 months ago I was around 260 then now I’m 185 I hate being this skinny but I don’t give a damn about being big anymore I’m 6’3 so that’s why 185 is really skinny for me. I want to be here for my fiancé and my future children and longevity is my only concern at this point considering that I actually have heart disease at this point the moderna vaccine gave me myocarditis and exacerbated my heart condition but I have cardiomegaly and pretty advanced LVH and enlarged aorta as well I have chest pains all the time now even considering all the weight loss I had sleep apnea going on and didn’t know which also contributed to my high blood pressure and heart problems but if I wasn’t using Steroids and GH and shit like that I wouldn’t have been so heavy to have had sleep apnea to begin with. I know for a damn fact that steroids and stimulants like Derek said are the main reason I have such issues with my heart now at 31. My c reactive protein was almost 8 when i found out 8 months ago. On top of losing weight I try to do everything to be as anti-inflammatory as possible I even meditate volunteer with animals everything to get my stress down as well I fast for up to four days at a time every month and I eat only 2000 calories a day now mostly healthy fats and protein but I limit my meat intake and only go for grass fed when I do and I get my eggs from a local farm where I know the chickens are genuine pasture raised and happy chickens you know when you get that ridiculously dark yolk. And in regards to the genetics part nobody in my family has heart disease or has died of heart issues none of my relatives at all so it’s safe to say I’m genetically definitely not prone to heart issues my granpa is almost 98 and his heart is still very good for his age. Had I simply implemented ARBs and beta blockers throughout my using years I genuinely don’t think I would’ve been in this position now my heart would’ve been in much better shape actually I can be almost positive of that fact.

@Poway19

2 жыл бұрын

You will be in my prayers. Make healthy decisions. Pray. Live your best life.

@hul8376

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you will have a long life, good that you are making changes to your life!

Palumbo will as usual attribute to some genetic issue 😯 One of the side effects of anabolic steroid use is aortic dissection, which is associated with hypertension and atherosclerosis. Chronic steroid use may cause fragility of the vessel because of the negative effect of the anabolic steroids on collagen formation and connective tissue strength.Sept 30, 2020 It’s a well documented side effect of steroid use Dave 😯

Dude I remember seeing that first transformation video long time ago!!!!! Had no idea it was the same person, so sad.

My uncle passed away of the same blood clot in the leg, he was a huge power lifter from the 80’s and on , but more aesthetically like bodybuilders of that era and he got shoulder surgery from damage for the decades of injuries and driving after his surgery a couple days later he just randomly died instantly on the freeway from blood clot

Remember watching him years ago. I thought, this guys gonna put himself in an early grave. When I saw this it bummed me out, but not too surprised.

Hey Dave - denying that Bostin's drug abuse was a substantial contributing cause of his death is just silly, at best

Hey Derek I just got some supplements from gorilla mind I’m super excited! I’m going back to the gym after nearly 3 years off, thank you for all you do!

Great vid on the subject matter! A rule of thumb is..."If it doesn't belong in your body then, don't put it in!"... Body dismophia associated with insecurity and low self-esteem is a recipe for disaster! Unrealistic expectations, impatience and misinformation are alot of the things killing people nowadays! Bodybuilding is supposed to be " healthy " & a life long sport ! Mother nature and Father ⏲ time can't be ignored. Arrogance and ignorance destroys any person with a indestructible attitude mentality! Be grateful for what you have, do your best to work within your own genetics and have fun! We are sometimes our own worst enemies unfortunately...

I read his blood results when I visited Tony Huge 4 years ago. His kidney readings were abnormal, beyond high. He has keep it a secret. He knew he had kidney failure and continued to abuse ped’s and blame his kidney failure on a peptide which he admitted to taking 3x’s the overdose amount. Boston was not honest, he deceived everyone in the name of experimentation. Imo he suffered from sever depression and this was his was of suicide. R.I.p.

@RedditorsReels

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's deep man. He told us many times that he would be the kind of guy thats more prone to depression instead of aggression as side effects from aas. Never knew it was that bad actually. He was known as being somewhat of a family man. I hope this is not true but you must know more than alot of us. If you wish to share more let us now, how shocking it may be. Anyways, RIP Bostin.

@mooseworld5678

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedditorsReels Ameen is the biggest charlatan ever and this is coming from Leo and Bostin. Do not take anything he says at face value

@RedditorsReels

2 жыл бұрын

@@mooseworld5678 okay, thanks for letting me know man.

@Hulkdad43

2 жыл бұрын

Your right, I too have suffered with depression and loss of marriage and many issues and I also had that attitude of suicide by taking bunch of gear in back of my head. Crazy you said that . I won overall at Ga State 2020 but thankfully I came off everything just trt right now.

bostin released his 1year transformation the year i graduated highschool. and the year before i started using AAS lol. RIP to a great man who always spoke what he believed to be true and really spread positivity.

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

You think BOSTIN LOYD was a great man??? How? He was dumb, uninspired, morally bankrupt and he didn't even succeed in his endeavour. He was not a mediocre man either, he lived a spent life unworthy of continuing.

@DylanLukeLosasso

2 жыл бұрын

@@donjuanmckenzie4897 someone skipped their estrogen blocker

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanLukeLosasso SOMEONE MISSES THE IQ BOOSTER

@DylanLukeLosasso

2 жыл бұрын

@@donjuanmckenzie4897 you got me, i misses it

@donjuanmckenzie4897

2 жыл бұрын

@@DylanLukeLosasso some people are natural slaves

A little late to this, but I've been expecting this for a couple of years now.

Everyone who uses gear really should get blood work done & have a full heart checkup at least every 3 months.

Derrick and Leo are the only people I trust in this space, everyone else just seem to always be a bit sketchy, and for gym tips it's Sean Nalewagjy , Jeff Nippard and Alpha Destiny.

@LazyEinstein

2 жыл бұрын

Vigorous Steve gives exceptional information. I think the fact that Derek and Leo podcast with him regularly is a testament to the quality of his content. I highly recommend you check him out or give him a bigger chance if you already have checked him out.

@DrAJ_LatinAmerica

2 жыл бұрын

Mike Israetel ? Eric Helms ? So much depends on the sport of focus. Bodybuilders, powerlifters, strongman competitors, CrossFit, Motocross, football, basketball, tour de France??? All very different sports with difference influencers.

@williambutler1955

2 жыл бұрын

Jeff is coo. He puts me to sleep sometimes though with his soft voice 😂😉. But he is who I watch as well

@SamSam-rz1ko

2 жыл бұрын

@@LazyEinstein will do, cheers mate

@thomasmuller623

2 жыл бұрын

And Allan Thrall. He is also quite funny.

I’m still shook about this so sad lost him to soon .

He was so upfront with what he took and how it changes you from a cycle to cycle. Same thing how young Gaspari was when he started Gear in his teens to Wheeler and Shawn Ray. These drugs transform you in a incredible way don’t let anyone fool you

Great insight here Derek 👍🏼

RIP Bostin. Everyone makes mistakes. No one deserves to die at 29 for their mistakes. Gotta listen to your doctors boys. Wishing the best for his family/friends, especially Leo.

@sssd3461

2 жыл бұрын

I think people need to treat this like every other addiction

@1988NickF

2 жыл бұрын

Not about deserving it, unfortunately.

@steveballzack1409

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think deserving has anything to do with it. Also, I don't think you can call this a simple mistake. It didn't happen overnight. It took him more than a decade of total abuse to do this to himself. Kidney failure couldn't even stop him from abusing his body. It's a tragedy and a terrible thing, but it was totally avoidable. He chose to keep doing what he was doing and the inevitable finally happened.

@Behemoth66

2 жыл бұрын

There’s mistakes and then there’s stupidity .. okay stupid games = win stupid prizes .. I posted on his fb 2 days before he passed calling him out and warning him about his bs own treatment but as always he didn’t listen .. and then unfortunately we saw what happen .

@RsSlay

2 жыл бұрын

The dude reused needles to save money. It's tragic but it was also inevitable that someone with such low intelligence combined with his risk taking yolo personality would die young, even if he didn't get into body-building.

Yes if he was 120lbs never went to the gym in his life and never took steroids he wouldn’t have the dissecting aeorta but if he was a natural 120lbs competitive marathon runner he would probably suffer of the same problem. So you can assume genetics is the main factor then lifestyle choices

My days of competing were over by the time Bostin’s transformation video dropped. He did have a small Cult following then and there were some young kids following his coat trails. I’m glad I’m older and had already been educated by then. That kid “Big natty daddy” was one of the first I remember. I hope the other kids didn’t do the same damage and can still have a life past their 30’s. I hated on him in the beginning. Mostly because of his arrogance, but him using himself as a test subject really cemented the fact of the dangers of abuse. I now see it that way and have respect for him. I really hope Ariel, his Mom, Dad, and son can still have a normal life after this. Life is precious and it’s no longer worth the risk of losing everything for more muscle tissue. I hope this opens a lot of peoples eyes because steroid abuse is so common now vs the forum days in the early 2000’s.

I'm curious to know if Dave even knows that there's studies out there that clearly show AAS' can cause Aortic dissections, especially in those already predisposed to the condition?

Assuming that his heart was enlarged due to his lifestyle then his death can probably be caused by it or it at least contributed to his death