Booting a Pi from Old Hard Drives
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Ай бұрын
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@solenoids3
29 күн бұрын
dna testing companies evil though
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29 күн бұрын
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29 күн бұрын
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29 күн бұрын
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@gustavgurke9665
Ай бұрын
Yeah, the whole thing sounds pretty sketchy to me. And in the event that sensitive information leaks or is sold, it could affect not only you but your whole family.
@panopolis8051
Ай бұрын
Yes, imagine the privacy/security nightmare when (not if) one of these ancestry DNA sites gets hacked, and millions of peoples genomes gets put up for sale on dark web. Unlike a password or even social security number, you can't change your DNA.
@herauthon
Ай бұрын
Who owns my DNA - can i rent parts of it for research ?
@SullySadface
Ай бұрын
I would download a car, but probably not a person.
@kquote0364
Ай бұрын
23andMe did indeed get hacked, this isn't theory, it has already happened
When I was refurbishing computers 10 years ago, we automatically considered BigFoot drives as functionally dead and wouldn't re-use them. To see that it is the one that worked here 20 years later just made me giggle.
The days when upgrading RAM from 4MB to 8MB made a distinct difference in the sound of the HDD during boot.
@nickwallette6201
28 күн бұрын
My experience: 2MB -- Just enough for Windows and larger DOS games to run, but not always enough for them to _keep_ running. 4MB -- OK, now you can reliably launch applications and do things. If you're patient enough. 8MB -- The threshold where you might stop asking, "do I really need to do this right now?" 16MB -- It is now possible to exit an application, then relaunch it, and maybe not have to load it back from disk again. 32MB -- I CAN DO ANYTHING. 64MB -- I CAN DO _TWO_ THINGS!
@AP-RSI
21 күн бұрын
Hold my beer! Upgrade from 1kb to 16kb RAM on a sinclair zx81 at the beginning of the 80's! HDD??? What is that? Just a tape recorder!
As a Compaq repair tech in the late 90's, I can attest to the fact as "Do NOT use the Quantum Bigfoot". Compaq used them in their Presarios. Even new, their failure rate was over 50%. They were total junk. It's one of the reasons that Quantum isn't around anymore.
@samuell.foxton4177
Ай бұрын
I was trying to get data off my Dad’s old Quantum Bigfoot, and annoyingly got it to boot into Windows 98 exactly once, then it appears to have died…
@tyttuut
Ай бұрын
They're cool, though.
@paulwratt
Ай бұрын
They get sticky bearings (even brand new) - if you tap it in the center (where the bearing is) it will work fine (until it sticks again)
@Mordecrox
Ай бұрын
>quantum >50% failure rate Name checks out
@BrunodeSouzaLino
29 күн бұрын
And this is the reason why they're called Bigfoot. You only hear stories about a fully working one existing, but they're usually a lie.
"it's not stupid if it works, even if it's stupid." Magnificent.
That Quantum Bigfoot gave me huge Druaga1 flashbacks. Damn, I miss that dude.
Those old hard drives are still more reliable than the cheap microSD cards I see people buy from corner drug stores and expect to work as a computer's boot drive, lol.
@hherpdderp
29 күн бұрын
If the corner shop sold hard drives that would be great 😢
@eDoc2020
25 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure the SD card I'm using for a boot drive in my old Pogoplug microserver is Walgreens brand. I also put in a junk SMART fail HDD as an extra data drive. It's been the better part of a decade and neither have died. Meanwhile I've gone through two power supplies.
I love the thought of someone setting up a NAS using a Raspberry Pi and a dozen old IDE hard drives.
There's something about the very specific noise of this guy clicking on the mouse or typing things on the keyboard that feels like Steve is mining my brain with a diamond pickaxe
The boot issue is almost certainly RISC OS. It's not exactly built to be a run-anyway operating system over something like USB boot. Last I checked it needed significant patching to just get it running on a Pi 4. That said, running it from an SD card, it should recognise the hard drives plugged in through the IDE/USB interface. I've used it in such a configuration to transfer data to/from an old RISC OS hard drive I have in a A3020. That's useful because RISC OS has its own disc formats that are difficult to read on any modern OS. Hoping you're making a video on RISC OS though since it gets very little love despite having some unique and interesting UI behaviours. Just remember you need to use all 3 mouse buttons to interact with it.
The CF card has the "removable" bit set in the drive info. You need to clear that bit...somehow.
Saw the thumbnail and my inner Druaga1 came out and said "ITS A QUANTUM BIGFOOT!"
a quantum big foot ? damn that get me some Druaga1 memories 😆
@zh84
Ай бұрын
Yes, the circuit boards and cables scattered across the table like confetti made me think of him.
@AlguienMas
Ай бұрын
Yeah. Nostalgia so big I gotta put it in the front
@OlegDorbitt
Ай бұрын
I bet that drive ain't no slave.
@TomasGregovich
Ай бұрын
Damn, I miss druaga1...
@OctoomyYTOfficial
Ай бұрын
this isn't a maxtor...
Back in ... 97 or so, I had a 3.2GB Quantum Fireball and an 8GB Quantum Bigfoot in my Pentium MMX 233mhz with a Matrox Mystique 2D and a Voodoo2 12MB. It was GLORIOUS and I remember having people ask 'What are you even ever going to do to fill more than 10GB of HD space?! That's nuts!'
@ledidier15042000
25 күн бұрын
Quantum fireball EX3.2A ? Got one too 😅
Those hard drive clicks bring a flood of LCIII and 486 memories.
@ninline2000
29 күн бұрын
I have an old 5.25 Full Height HDD SCSI drive that sounds like a gravel truck
@slightlyevolved
28 күн бұрын
LCII/Performa 400 and 386 for me.
Just a hunch, but I sense a certain cursed black computer case making a come back
"You wouldn't download a car". Yes, yes I would definitely download a car. Why not?
@Charlesb88
28 күн бұрын
Hey, the Automobile Manufacturers of America wants you to know: Don’t copy that Jalopy!
The square dongle has 3 connectors, 2.5" IDE PATA 44pin 2mm pin pitch connector which includes power, the 40 pin PATA 3.5" ide connector you where using. And of course the regular SATA connector.
I love how the 90s sounds. I miss it terribly. Though the 80s is even better.
I wonder if RISC OS could be causing boot issues from USB. Have you tried a more bare-bones Linux distro?
Until this video, I didn’t realise to what degree happy hard disc noises of the 90s brought me joy.
4:20 the whole time I was like "He knows they make USB-to-IDE units, right? They don't need all that rigamarole..."
Probably that big hard drive sucks more energy than the pi, and I love it
A few suggestions to make this concept more fun: - To go older, use an original (1st gen) Raspberry Pi which had a composite video output along with a CRT TV (not computer monitor) - To go a bit newer, WDLabs once sold a 314GB "PiDrive" which was a 2.5in spinning drive with a native Micro USB 3.0 interface. I have one of these new in box which I ordered back then but never actually used.
@CebolaBros
28 күн бұрын
I'm not sure you can boot from USB on a 1st gen Pi, but that would be a great use of the AV out
@eDoc2020
25 күн бұрын
@@CebolaBros The bootloader needs to be on SD but the OS can be anywhere. I used to use an old 32MB TF card for this purpose on my Pi 2.
People might think this doesn’t have a use, but it actually does (for once). If you want to build a sleeper PC, use its original drive and just throw a Pi in there as a new machine.
@Sheepy007
Ай бұрын
This is quite literally the definition of no use
@megatronskneecap
Ай бұрын
@@Sheepy007 Not if you want an Old PC
@Charaqat
Ай бұрын
686, 586, even 486 is better than this. 386 if you can find OS support for it, unless you just run the appropriate windows version with proper measures if you want to use it online.
@megatronskneecap
Ай бұрын
@@Charaqat The ARM chips in Pi's are much stronger than these old chips and are better at emulation.
@DerekLippold
Ай бұрын
@@megatronskneecapcorrect but I don’t think emulation was the original comment.
Quantum Bigfoot drives are notorious for high failure rate... Almost as bad as IBM Deskstar (Deathstar) drives. Simply finding one that still works is amazing. You should run a battery of speed benchmarks on it for posterity. All those drives should be hooked up to a linux PC and run through a suite of tests. That laptop drive specifically needs an IDE 44-pin connector... Those 4 extra unconnected pins are for power.
Those hard drive noises hit right in the ol' nostalgia receptors. Remember being able to tell if your computer was frozen or not just by whether you could hear the drive making noise? Yeah, me too. Also: it's dongles all the way down; and I love it.
"If it's stupid but it works.... it's *still* stupid, but I *made* it work. You ain't taking that away from me." -What I imagine is the creed of a lot of techtubers.
Take into account all those mechanical IDE hard drives can be wiped out or corrupted when a strong magnetic field is put near them; yes, the kind of magnetic field of a CRT monitor 🤣 Also the undervoltage in the Pi can be caused by a long and low quality (high resistance) usb-microusb adapter; the beefy power supply will supply plenty of current to both devices but if you plug long molex/adapter cables you should measure the output voltage in those ends, and if you find it's under 4.7 V then the Pi would complain.
@lhpl
29 күн бұрын
Wow! Amazing that we didn't know about that back in the 80es/90es/00es and just put the crt on top of the pc cabinet - some companies even built the hd into the cabinet with the crt! 😂😂😂
Please tell me you’re going to enable BlueSCSI devices to emit glorious, beautiful spinning disk noises.
'Bad ideas. They're the best' -- Story of my life, brother 🤣
If you want clicky clacky, the only option for spinning drives is the IDE Travelstar drives..... Hitachi, we are looking at you ;)
@hattree
Ай бұрын
Those were originally IBM's hard drives. Those and Deskstars
@scottharvey-davies1607
Ай бұрын
@@hattree , yes... I stand corrected. ;)
A working Quantum Bigfoot is rarer than actual Bigfoot. Great video, Sean!
The first old HD was making its own 'raspberry' noises!!!
I bought a 6.4gb Quantum Bigfoot from Circuit City circa 1998 because it was the cheapest drive they had. Even came with a 1 year subscription to Norton!
WOAH THE BIGFOOT HARD DRIVE!!!!! I haven't seen one of those in 20 years! Nearly spit my drink out when you pulled that one into frame. Ty for the instant slap of nostalgia lol
Your technicians were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
I think the most quintessential hard drive noise came from whatever hard drive came with properly configured Macintosh SE machines. It makes those grinding and beeping noises that remind me of junior high school (the good parts, anyway).
About a week ago I needed to make a USB boot drive for a modern PC and I didn't have one handy to wipe. But I did have a 7.5gig Quantum Fireball without any important data. So I basically did the same thing Sean did at the same time.
Low voltage warning? The earlier Pis were such massive pains about this. If the supply voltage drops even a smidge below 5v, it freaks out, even if that supply can put out a hundred amps. Just the couple feet of cabling from the PSU to the USB port can cause the voltage to sag enough for it to freak out.
@paulluce2557
25 күн бұрын
The pi 4 and pi 5s both have usb C type connectors. The official psu's are rated at 5.1 volts.. This sort of fixes the problem when the pi boots and starts to draw current as it will drop but stay closer to 5v.
@ernestgalvan9037
22 күн бұрын
That “couple of feet “ problem was always caused by too thin wires (much too high gauge) that ‘cheap’ phone chargers used, since they only wanted 500ma max. I used MINIMUM 20ga, and at times 18ga stranded, and ten feet was ‘No Problem, Bro’ 5V @ 5A is only 50watts, 18ga never even felt the power….
I think the reason why the CF card didn't boot is that some CF cards have a separate function to make them bootable. I forget what that is. I think you have to change it with a utility and I think it needs to be put into something called industrial mode or commercial mode or something. This also might just be for flash media and not spinning drives, or maybe it's the same for both. I dunno.
@eDoc2020
25 күн бұрын
I'd bet it's because of the OS. Every drive booted except the two he put RISC OS on.
Those Quantum Bigfoot drives were AWFUL back in the day! Sure they were slow as heck but they also failed left and right. I wasn't formally in the PC repair business until the late 90s. But prior to that I had 2 friends whose parents bought new PCs that had Bigfoot drives installed in the (one was a Compaq, the other a Packard Bell) and both drives died in less than a year and had to be replaced under warranty. Quantum drives were fairly well regarded in the early 90s, mostly the Fireball series of drives, but after about 1993 or 94 their quality seriously declined with the Bigfoot drives being the absolute bottom of the barrel. The biggest reason why OEMs like Packard Bell and Compaq used them is because they were dirt cheap compared to other vendors, although that initial cost savings was easily wiped out by their high failure rates.
One thing about the Microdrive: If it’s from an iPod mini, it can’t continuously run no matter what system you’re using it with. The drive was programmed at firmware level to work that way in order to save battery of the iPod. So if you flash mod an iPod mini, it uses less power when it’s running, but consumes more power when on standby compared with the original Microdive. That’s because the Microdrive is completely off when on standby, but a flash storage will keep drinking power even the screen is off.
That Quantum Bigfoot sounded amazing, just like I remember from my first eMachines computer. I would pay solid money for a device that i could put in a modern PC that would give the original HDD sound while still using my SSD. I know there is a project that uses a piezoelectric beeper speaker on a module attached to the HDD activity light, but it doesnt sound anything like a real HDD.
That microdrive is more than a time omb of data decay. Didnt apple recall a bunch of ipod minis because the drives would sometimes burn?
@FullmetalDragon1212
Ай бұрын
Dont know about the recall, but have been in the ipod space for a bit. Its literally the first thing they tell you to do after the battery when restoring a ipod ;P
@sobertillnoon
29 күн бұрын
@@FullmetalDragon1212 must have been an urban legend. My only experience with them is how frequently they died in the Palm Lifedrive
Seeing that Quantum Bigfoot made me happy. Need to dig my 1998 model 8GB out of my cupboard and see whether it still spins up. Made some lovely noises when it was still in my old PII 350
Those *happy hard drive noises* sound like *happy fallout noises*
Now I’m very very looking forward to this next video. Not that I don’t normally excited for Action Retro videos 😆
You have a knack for mating some of the most unusual hardware combinations- keep it up.
I once (just for the heck of it) booted my RasPi 3B+ (back when it still worked, it stopped working right when I gave it to my little brother because I had gotten a Pi4) off a 500GB USB HDD.
working on computers in the early 2000s with bigfoots was akin to torture. Our store renamed all the Compaqs with them to Crapaqs
the churning of that quantum bigfoot brings back so many memories, my first pentium 133 pc had a 2GB bigfoot in it
Hey now, I have two computers with working Quantum Bigfoot drives! One of them even is healthy according to SMART! (Neither is the main OS drive though, the seek time is too much even for me)
Dad jokes cranked to eleven, brilliant
I absolutely love this video lol. reminds me of back in the day when my friend and I would salvage old PC parts from windows 98 and xp computers and build what we called Frankenstein computers. we would have missing case parts, generic this and that. free mouse pads but best believe our stuff worked great for us and we would give builds away to people who couldn't afford a PC. just seeing all them components laying on your bench took me back to them old fun days lol.
Haha, this is a great idea. Love the creativity in the concepts for your vids. Now you don't have to worry about wear on your mini SD cards.
OMG !!! Subscribed and enjoying. Cheers.
I miss my Bigfoot drive. It held my MP3 collection for a long time until it died.
This vid. has to be up there with the floppy-RAID. Mad genius!
How to make a Pi 3 even more comically slow than booting of the SD Card. Give it a spinning hard drive.
QUANTUM BIGFOOT ??!! HELLLLLL YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!! When my Bigfoot died, I always thought I was in a Trench in WWII because it sounded like an MG42 >- Ultraloud -> *BRRRRRR* *tock* *tock* *BRRRRRR* *BRRRRRR* 😂😂😂😂
Wow, a Quantum Bigfoot drive! I remember reading about those when they first came out, but in my entire career, which goes back to the late 1980s, I've only seen one in person. I don't remember if it worked or not, but I do remember that it spun up at least, and was what you would consider satisfactorily noisy. I also remember looking at its profile and thinking, "so THAT'S why it was called 'Bigfoot'!"
(A part of) the problem with the CF Card HDD is those suckers tend to have a pretty long spin-up time. You'd probably need to set a delay before the system polls the drive to giveit extra time to reach a ready state. Easy enough in some older PC bios, but I have zero clue if the Pi can support that, especially when trying to boot off USB.
2:32 I got my RasPi 3B+ to boot off of USB with a special image I found in the RasPi Imager. But I couldn't find that image anymore.
I used to have 2 of those quantum bigfoot drives. Was entertaining the idea of turning them into shoes
Thinks: Oooo I could just build a retro NAS with a Raspberry Pi and some old IDE hard drives. What could possibly go wrong? Great video! I have liked, commented and subscribed. Wait, you can tell I have commented, because this is in the comments... The wackiness is contagious!
Hey! I also daily-drive the same apple black keyboard... 24 years and going strong!
I have a 19.2 Quantum Bigfoot drive that was my Win98 boot drive for years. One bit of advice, make sure the drive is mounted at a right angle. My drive really struggled when it wasn't.
I mean nothing but respect when I say that you, sir, are the King of Jank.
I don't know about that, Compaq batched their drives! They would take a pallet full and run them through spin right and then returned the lower grade ones. So if it's an older Compaq drive you're almost guaranteed to be getting one of the better of the batch. I have a Compaq downstairs that originally had windows 95 on it and it's still running with its original drive currently temporally set up with XP I think.
You 'flashed' raspbian onto a hard drive? That's like burning something onto a floppy :D.
@nilswegner2881
29 күн бұрын
Yeah it's absolutely annoying.
I'm very sorry to hear you've fallen on such hard times that you had to take one of THOSE sponsorships. Here's hoping things improve quickly.
Video idea: fixing old broken drives by replacing the rubber bumpers.
I still have some old IDE hard drives in case I want to rebuild some older 486 and Pentium systems to relive the old days. Seeing all the things he went through this video just stopped me on my tracks.
Seeing that Quantum Bigfoot brings back memories. I used a Bigfoot in one of those 2U custom server chassis with I think an old Dell motherboard, one of the early ones with SATA and IDE connections on the board, and used it to boot DOS with HDDHACKR in order to hack old WD 320 & 500GB drives to work in our Xbox 360’s. Kids at school would pay to get their 20GB drives upgraded to get more games, still have it, should see if it still boots
I can't believe you have a working Quantum Bigfoot lol
It isn't that nobody needs the answers, it's that they didn't know they needed the answers until now!
Thanks for the video! 👍 Now we're all waiting for a video about today's solutions to mount our old SCSI drives thru USB 😉 Please, Mr Retro!
Dongle amalgamation And I love it!
Thanks for that Power supply switch. Stops that Shocking experience
@nickwallette6201
28 күн бұрын
Eh, don't worry. Nobody's getting shocked from a power-on pin with a resistor pull-up to 5v.
8:38 "This is what the 90s sounded like" TRUTH!!! And man, I honestly miss it!! 😢 I mean, 1gBps read speeds on SSDs is AMAZING, but I just want a little CLICKINESS, ya know???
3:50 My Gateway windows XP machine from 1999-2000 has a Quantum 20GB HDD and it’s still working great
13:20 Please don’t move a spinning harddrive, it will cause it to wear out, much quicker.
Fantastic video! Thank you. My friend Jorma has a theory about the annoying Low Voltage Warning of the R-Pi. He says that they probably just sample the operating voltage way too often and even a small drop for a microsecond in V+ will give a persisting warning. What they should do is average the voltage samples over a longer period of time. Just his theory.
I had one of those Quantum Bigfoot drives back in the day. Came in our IBM Aptiva from like 1999. Massive, loud, and unreliable lol!
I’ve literally come to the conclusion that this was my only option because the hard drive readers are like $40 up from $35, so I thought I’d see if it’s been done before.
Meanwhile, I bought a 12GB Bigfoot off ebay, it was thrown in a box with NO padding, survived that trip anyway, and I put Debian 12 i386 on it and DOS in the first 504MB (so I can boot it on a 386) Sure, it won't win any speed contests, but this has quickly become one of my favorite hard drives. This form factor should make a comeback, but with modern technology. There's an underserved market for huge hard drives that don't need to go fast!
@eDoc2020
25 күн бұрын
I agree they should consider making new 5.25 drives for bulk storage. Practically speaking I don't think it will ever happen: nobody will buy them unless servers have the bays and servers won't have the bays until people have the drives.
I have one in my collection too a bigfoot how funny ! the was a place here in washington called Northwest hard drives they had huge hard drive on their wall .
Some Raspberry Pi models (if not most of them) have composite video through the 3.5mm jack. I used my RPi B+ or whatever it exactly is and connected it to one of those intercom CRTs from Sony.
I'd have just used an old CD-ROM caddy, IDE to USB and power all sorted.
The King of Janke does it again.
is this the only way to do a backup or to look back to ide ? i mean i still have several and i have one of those desk hardrive ide / sata external devices that allow you to at least examine or to book your desk up, im guessing because of the ide its more simplistic to use the rasberry pie but hmm, thought those pins on the rasberry would have been used for your ide experament but i guess not?
good job 😊
Reminds me of when I hacked my C.H.I.P. computer into a Western Digital external USB HDD in order to have a makeshift wireless NAS
The USB to SATA & IDE adapter normally also includes the laptop-style IDE connector as well, assuming that was working you could have tried using that connector.
YOU do realize that the IDE to USB adapter your using HAS a LAPTOP IDE connector built in on the OTHER SIDE.
I do have an irrational affection for Quantum Bigfoots, even though I've never owned one.
To think I had my stuff on a *hand-me-down* 17 GB Bigfoot back in the early ’00s… little me got off easy 😅
You really should dig into RISC OS in a future video, in honor of your British heritage. It definitely took its own path and is quite weird, so you will like it.