"it takes a real narcissist to think anyone wants to buy a book about them" "I read the parts about me"

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259

4 жыл бұрын

This is gold.

@soulreaverable

4 жыл бұрын

“You know how I feel about Anne Frank”

@iankosen3503

4 жыл бұрын

dude, are u okay?

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259

4 жыл бұрын

@@iankosen3503 who?

@laela6289

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhhh 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The most heartbreaking thing is that after all Bojack still answered the calls from his mom, hoping some day she would say something nice to him or just I see you Bojack.

@carmena.gonzalezrios8372

4 жыл бұрын

The crude part is that *this* was Beatrice way of apologizing to Bojack, she was incapable of saying anything nicer to him

@Alizudo

3 жыл бұрын

She was trying to apologise. If you think about what she's saying, she's apologizing for the circumstances. "He was born broken". He was born into a horrible marriage with horrible parents who both had horrible childhoods. It's not his fault for being raised poorly. This was what she was trying to say

@TaliPolk

3 жыл бұрын

its what a lot of abused kids do. you hold out hope that maybe one day they'll get it and finally care about you.. its a testament to how important the bond between parent and child is. Through therapy you eventually learn to radically accept that that phone call and that parent isn't coming, but its hard and it takes long years of grieving.

@luizmarinho6138

3 жыл бұрын

And he still answered her crosswords question.

@user-om9gy3mg7x

3 жыл бұрын

“My mom is dead. Everything is worse now.” It gets more depressed every time I rewatch clips of Bojack Horseman.

They're so toxic, that even after Beatrice told him all those awful things, she merrily skipped to asking him about her crossword puzzle, and Bojack instead of hanging up, actually tried to help her. Lmao.

@jclyntoledo

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's the sad part is you grow up thinking it's normal until you learn it isn't and no amount of magical thinking or timing will change that.

@julienotwicz

8 ай бұрын

My mom does this and I really can’t explain how it feels in words. It makes you feel like you don’t matter, like you’re not even a real person in their world. And usually when people behave like this you can learn to brush it off but not when it’s your mom. Not when it’s the person who literally made you and is supposed to love you the most.

@pedroaugusto2954

6 ай бұрын

Every time something hard was being said on the show it was smoothed in some way. Like this scene, the scene Todd says the problem with Bojack is himself, and when Diane faces Bojack in Philbert's premiere.

@landofthehazymist

5 ай бұрын

Nah ive hung up and brushed it off. But im still upset either way lol. Even when im alone with no one to bother me or tell me im worthless anymore

The most heart wrenching part is that she's honestly trying to reach out to him, to comfort him and kind of sideways apologize the best she can but she just can't help hurting him. She can't even keep it about him for longer than a minute.

@nexuszen769

8 жыл бұрын

I think that's the perfect analysis.

@JosephDutra

8 жыл бұрын

+PrezPendejo Honestly, this is probably the nicest thing she has ever said to Bojack in his entire life.

@kg4tnp

8 жыл бұрын

+PrezPendejo I think its the only way she could apologize for making him like herself.

@racheld1786

7 жыл бұрын

+PrezPendejo She is a narcissist, this is what they do and how they thrive

@scrax6

7 жыл бұрын

IHughHughHugh she's just no capable of remorse. It's no her fault, any more than it's bojacks fault for being broken. It just shows shitty parents, no matter how well intended can't fix you

He wasn't born broken. People in his life, especially his parents, broke him.

@emeraldtabbycat148

8 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for someone to say that...

@537Oni

8 жыл бұрын

+PumaAlfred Yes, but his broken forever now, he get use to sadness, and he's never gone feel normal when he gone to be happy ..

@leviponce7730

8 жыл бұрын

a better wording would be he was born to be broken he had terrible parents and he couldn't do anything about it he was destined to be broken from the moment he was born hence being born broken

@str8todamoney

8 жыл бұрын

Unless he was born with chronic depression. Which is genetic.

@xChemicalxCakex

8 жыл бұрын

Shes probably referring to his (what sounds like) dysthymia aka chronic depression. At the very least its some form of it. Anyhow, its a genetic condition that, as context implies, his parents have. He was born sick with no cure, his parents just made it worse.

"You're Bojack Horseman. There's no cure for that" Jesus.......I mean.....damn.......

@climbertoken1236

6 жыл бұрын

After season 4 this is even more devastanting

@carolineg.5944

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had to stop watching the show for a while after this scene

@NewtonSparetire

6 жыл бұрын

Farley Climber ikr i wonder how hollyhock will turn out in season 5. Im both worried and excited but more excited. Im thinking "please dont ruin her bojack"

@PsychoWhite3

5 жыл бұрын

That infuriated me when I first saw this episode as Beatrice just couldn't say sorry. I realise they've gone past the point of a simple "I'm sorry" but it's a step in the right direction

@righthandstep5

4 жыл бұрын

Damn lie is what is was.

This is why my mothers calls go straight to voicemail.

@DrGandW

7 жыл бұрын

Bruh that ain't your mom

@deuce5546

7 жыл бұрын

You don't know that

@1aundulxaldin

7 жыл бұрын

She did a poor job.... didn't she?

@DrGandW

7 жыл бұрын

tUmUt He's the wrong cartoon horse. Then again, she might've slept around.

@swamplife3148

7 жыл бұрын

Hey aren't you that Horse?!

It kind of gets cut off in this video due to the border, but earlier in this episode Kelsey says "I don't make mistakes. I do the crossword in sharpie" and Beatrice is very clearly using a sharpie to do her crossword. The little details, man.

@powerbottomboat

7 жыл бұрын

Did you see the lipstick that she's got on her teeth? It's such a wonderfully subtle hint of just how cut off from reality she really is, that she doesn't even notice getting lipstick on her teeth despite taking the time to dress up.

@Keyinei

7 жыл бұрын

That too is fantastic. That's probably what makes this my favourite Beatrice scene, how much she is characterized not by action or words but by visual markers and reference. Heck, it's out of character for her to use a common sharpie in the first place but like the lipstick thing it all ... works. Cause it's broken and wrong, and according to the show, so are they.

@Torthrodhel

7 жыл бұрын

Wow I never noticed both of those details before. Well spotted, and interesting!

@raptirboy180

6 жыл бұрын

Keyinei did you watch the latest season yet

@rkgk1517

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why Bojack was so hell-bent on trying to impress Kelsey and get her to like him.

Kind of hard to hold BoJack's flaws entirely against him when he had *this* abomination for a mother. I mean, holy shit.

@JellisX891

7 жыл бұрын

I know. I can relate to him so much. That's what pulled me into this show.

@milysa98

7 жыл бұрын

Same

@gavinmaxwell4944

7 жыл бұрын

People are basically just less intense versions of their parents. Imagine her mom, and her mom before her.

@milysa98

7 жыл бұрын

Not always, my dad is worse than my halmeoni. And my ganny is a lot cooler than my mother

@FlutterMouse

7 жыл бұрын

Gavin Maxwell this is true. my family is similar. my mom was raised by a critical mom so she's critical but less so than she. And my great grandmother was really mean and I'm an even more watered down version. it takes a few generations .

So she called to say she's sorry for hurting him, and her excuse is that he reminds her of his father/ her ex which she dislikes. That's a horrible excuse.

@-hello6177

3 жыл бұрын

"Your father and I" nope, she's saying he was born from terrible people and raised by terrible people, he's been twisted beyond repair

@neiljohnsemaning6227

3 жыл бұрын

It's not an excuse it's a explanation.

@dlobelow760

3 жыл бұрын

Shit. That reminds me of my mom.

@Katzykeens

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it sounds like she saying "we were broken twisted and ugly inside, and that's all we gave you. You were born from broken people and now you're broken too..."

@Katzykeens

3 жыл бұрын

@@dlobelow760 I'm so sorry friend :(

She merely adopted the brokensss, Bojack was born into it.

@iSolodaverse

8 жыл бұрын

This is gold

@CouchLock

8 жыл бұрын

Roger.

@zandaroos553

8 жыл бұрын

Molded by it... Raised by it...

@iug5672

6 жыл бұрын

This has such a deeper meaning now.

@Paragon231

6 жыл бұрын

Is that you Bane?

It speaks volumes about Wendie Malick's voice acting ability that she can not only play the worst mom ever in Bojack Horseman but can also play the best mom ever in The Owl House and still be completely believable in each role.

@Amdragfan2

9 ай бұрын

Omg, yes. I was just thinking this myself

@OliverOils

4 ай бұрын

she's also the pregnant mom in The Emperor's New Groove also a great mom but had little screen time

@Amexy-mr6lw

2 ай бұрын

Ohhh thats why they sound so similar

Wow, she is projecting HARD. Clearly she herself is the narcissist and he's her fuel supply. He wasn't born broken; she broke him.

@AmosBatista

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah,

@-hello6177

3 жыл бұрын

pretty sure that's what she meant

@hkazu63

3 жыл бұрын

She broke him like her father broke her, and how Butterscotch broke her. This scene actually becomes an incredible example of inherited trauma after completing the show and seeing how Beatrice became who she was. Joseph Sugarman and her mother’s lobotomy broke her, she ran off with Butterscotch to escape it all, which ultimately fell apart as the two fell out of love, and as a result, they broke BoJack. The way her upbringing and negative traits informed BoJack’s own. The way he passed on her destructive life lessons. It’s dark and it’s sad and it’s a very real and tragic reality of life.

@sethyesseth55

3 жыл бұрын

she knows that it was their fault, she just can't admit it

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

With Butterscotch

This is what gets me about BoJack: long bouts of cartoonish silliness and out of nowhere BAM, these moments of gut-wrenching, all-too-real pain. It's like eating cotton candy and biting down on a ball of nails.

@fabioribeiro4627

6 жыл бұрын

Honestly, as the series of all-too-real pain are the long bouts and the silliness appears out of nowhere. Like Season 3. Fucking hell, that was depressing. Good thing Season 4 easened things slightly.

@rileythewolf8960

6 жыл бұрын

I find it a better show than Family Guy, Futurama, and even Rick&Morty. You know you’re going to laugh hard, possibly feel certain emotions, depending on where you’re at in the series. But with Bojack, you know every episode is going to make you feel as hard as you laughed. If you’re coming to the show, to escape from life, you’re going to be disappointed. The show is honest and never afraid to venture into the dark places, that plague us as human beings.

@baakojang2.030

4 жыл бұрын

You eat cotton candy with nails inside???

@grimsonforce7504

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I have issues with show, it doesn't know the mood it wants to be.

@richiem5112

4 жыл бұрын

I'd have said Honeydew.

The sad thing is, it's all a cycle. Beatrice wasn't born broken, her family broke her. Bojack wasn't born broken, his family broke him. And even though Bojack didn't have kids, he still damaged the people he came into contact with in his life, people who actually genuinely cared about him. And that's a realistic portrayal of... reality. Of people. We all have the potential to be good people even when we've been treated like garbage, but tons of people don't. They'd rather continue that cycle of hurt and not change themselves, because of selfishness. It's such a hollow realization.

@lukerosales5879

7 ай бұрын

Not her family, her father Joseph. Had Honey married a man with empathy, she could've gotten through Crackerjack's death.

@sauceywater3128

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@lukerosales5879 Honey wasn’t able to process grief and nearly got Beatrice killed in a car accident and made her promise to never love. She isn’t a bad person because of her trauma, but she is still part of the reason Beatrice is the way she is. Edit: also a lot of men by that time period had similar mindsets. So it’s very hard to find someone who doesn’t view woman as an inferior and simple minded counterparts. She married a man she loved. It all started as an unfortunate circumstances, with war and coping with lose of a love one.

@Starsheen

7 ай бұрын

In very rare instances are people born broken. That's not the case with BoJack. BoJack is the recipient of generational abuse and it got worse with every generation. That kind of abuse, and the internal mechanisms that develop to cope are hard to break out of. It's not selfishness, it's their default setting, their normalcy. Most of the show's plot is BoJack genuinely trying and wanting to be better, only to revert back to the coping mechanisms he's always used when things don't go according to plan. Because it's comfortable. It takes a lot of work to change the default setting and readjust what's comfortable when things aren't good.

@ronin7561

5 ай бұрын

​@@lukerosales5879she forced an 8 year old Beatrice to drive a car. Say what you want about Joseph, but his anger was completely justified there

@iris5678

2 ай бұрын

​@@lukerosales5879 You should read a history book. Honey was a project of her time. Most women of high class were expected to marry high class men no matter the cost.

The fact that, by the time he sees her next, her dementia has already rendered her unrecognizable, makes this scene even more heartbreaking. This is technically the last honest conversation Bojack has with his mother while both of them were still ... themselves.

0:55 I love how Bojack is visually taken aback by Beatrice saying "I'm sorry" I do think Beatrice was genuinely trying to apologize here, but of course she did it in the worst way possible.

The first time in her life she tries to be nice to him, and she ends up saying the most damaging thing she could possibly say at that moment.

@jclyntoledo

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly that's pretty accurate for ppl like that.

@reuellucas7187

Жыл бұрын

Ironic don’t ya think?

What are yoooou doing here?

@Sodapoprox

7 жыл бұрын

What are you doing here...?

@3_0_0_0

7 жыл бұрын

Wingbat What are you doing here,

@Sodapoprox

7 жыл бұрын

3000. What am I doing here?

@strangeclaytv

6 жыл бұрын

MforZorro | Movesets I

@premyslsacky5006

4 жыл бұрын

I just liked all "What are you doing here?" quetos, because i know. its all in different intonation. The last one, gots me every time.

I know that feeling. When you feel so miserable so you're like "I might as well listen to this inspirational podcast it might make me feel something" and then something so shitty happens that just hearing someone say something inspirational makes you feel sick

@chopotronichappiness8917

2 жыл бұрын

omg this

@Passions5555

2 жыл бұрын

God...I FEEL this...

@csmead209

2 жыл бұрын

I can't afford the gun I need to kill myself

@bigpun6325

5 ай бұрын

I grew up like this, my childhood and teenage years were so hard I couldn't even stomach the idea of anything positive and motivating

"You were born broken. You're Bojack Horseman. Ain't no cure for that." This show can be silly. It can be stupid. It can be cringe-worthy. It can be embarrassing. And it can tare your fucking soul out. The dark parts like this one can be so honest and raw. The end of Season 1 is just as poignant. But there are just moments of this show that emotionally damage the viewer. How moments like these don't get this show emmy's hand over fist I'll never know. Screw the golden age of television - we're living in a Renaissance of artistic television expression and this show is right up there taking its place at the front. When a 60 second conversation can make the viewer feel like they've been punched in the stomach - you know you're seeing something important.

@666msGoD

7 жыл бұрын

Is it right to create something that hurt inside? Do we like this show because in an era of apathy, emotional pain is the only strong thing that we can feel clearly?

@666msGoD

7 жыл бұрын

***** As a result it looks like we all suffer and that's what keeps us close? This is awfull. Why are we all still here?

@Torthrodhel

7 жыл бұрын

No, I don't think this age is any different from any other age in some kind of overall shift way... they all have their beauty in spades and their horror in spades. The types change over time... the amounts tend to average out in general. Why we like this kind of thing is simply because it makes us feel. That's what most art is for. And if it can make us feel in ways that a lot of other art that we consume cannot (whether it tries to or doesn't), then it's more unusual in that and feels even more special because of it. What we relate to typically echoes our own experiences. We've all experienced joy and tragedy, and a bunch of other stuff too. When something touches on that and seems as cuttingly genuine as the good writing here makes it - whatever emotion it's invoking - it strikes a chord. I don't think it's important for that struck chord to be a downer. I just think it doesn't matter what that struck chord is, beyond simply being struck well, and somewhat uncommonly.

@GreenEyedDazzler

6 жыл бұрын

Tear

@Bleeptheguy14

6 жыл бұрын

Valendr0s and

Fun fact: Anne Frank started writing her diary following a public broadcast announcement calling for people to preserve 'ordinary documents-a diary, letters ... simple everyday material' as documentation of the Nazi occupation to be used by historians. So contrary to what Bojack implies by saying 'that was a diary', Anne Frank was well aware that her diary could, probably even hoped that it would be made public someday.

@hadbetterdays8118

4 жыл бұрын

I just thought Beatrice didn't like Anne Frank because her father said the Jews pissed off Hitler

@A_Random_Rat

3 жыл бұрын

Given the fact that there’s pages about her vagina, and how one of her roommates turns her on-yeah I doubt she wanted it public.

@lanadelshantayyoustay6320

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironmaniacs7 isn't hating her a bit harsh, considering what she went through? I guess we should be lucky we get to go to school in the first place 🤷‍♀️

@-hello6177

3 жыл бұрын

@@lanadelshantayyoustay6320 wow, how weak willed do you have to be to give up on your hatred of someone because they went through shit, pathetic

@bloodmoondocumentary2277

3 жыл бұрын

@@-hello6177 pretty sure hatred shows more weakness than forgiveness, it's easy to hate it's hard to understand

Honestly I really love how Season 4 shows you why Beatrice acts the way she does. She is never excused for the way she treated Bojack but rather, we are shown how abuse affects people in different ways and how it can affect the people around them. Beatrice truly cannot comfort Bojack, as much as she tries she tries to help she really can't comfort Bojack without making it worse.

@Serek_Studios

Жыл бұрын

the true meaning of the abused becomes the abuser

Dudes Bojacks Mom makes Malory Archer look like a saint!

@emeraldtabbycat148

9 жыл бұрын

My response: (see my previous comment).

@nickyboy22071989

8 жыл бұрын

Dude that is the most adept analysis I've heard in a year.

@SolarDragon007

8 жыл бұрын

Lol so true. Malory has a streak of Humanity

@MrDaybr8ker

8 жыл бұрын

While a great comparison of "mom of the year," I wouldn't go thay far. Sure we have seen more of Malory (not Beatrice ' s fault, we've only seen her maybe 5-7 times in the span of two seasons and this seen is one of her longer bits of screen time), and Malory may actually show concern for Sterling. But Malory for the most parts gives no apologies for how she "raised" him. This scene may be the closest Beatrice may literally get to a real apology, using real effort. But no matter how you look at it, it's still pretty sad.

@Cognitive_Fun

7 жыл бұрын

Well, when you think about it. Who turned out better?

The sad thing about this is that she, in her embittered, cold and harsh way, tried to reach out to her son and actually apologize for creating the foundations of his destructive life. You get the feeling that she does feel regret, but also that she doesn't see much help in it, as the damage has already been done. Both she and her husband were miserable, cruel people, and in her mind, Bojack turning out the same way as an adult was the only way he could turn out. One some level, she might even think that's how it should be, for why should he, the one thing that shackled her to a loveless marriage, be spared of any curse?

I want to see an episode where we meet Mr. Peanutbutter's parents and they're just super nice, understanding, open-minded and everything BoJack and Diane's families weren't. I feel it would drive home just how much BoJack hates him by no fault of his own and why Mr. Peanutbutter can't wrap his head around the fact that positive thinking doesn't work for him.

@PTHaze

8 жыл бұрын

+Robogabriel Or maybe Mr. Peanutbutter's parents are just as bad as Diane's and BoJack's, but Mr. Peanutbutter decided to live in his own world that can't be touched by anyone and he always creates the illusion that everythings positive but deep down he's going insane (if he isn't already). You know, sort of like Ned Flanders from the Simpsons, or most people I know living irl, like nothing bad ever happens to them and their surroundings... Would give Mr. Peanutbutter a dark touch and somehow relateable.

@gabe_s_videos

8 жыл бұрын

IDTGaming That's kind of what I was getting at. His parents didn't abuse him, but they did coddle him to the point that he has no idea how to deal with tragedy.

@scottdonahue7633

8 жыл бұрын

+Robogabriel Idk. I like the other idea of him just being a total positive machine only because he lived in his own world so he could escape his parents abusing him, and now he's just stuck. hahah. Or never recieve any attention from his parents (due to the fact he's a dog, and dogs have lots of siblings. lol)

@gabe_s_videos

8 жыл бұрын

+Scott Donahue The thing that's supposed to make Mr Peanutbutter so infuriating is how easy everything seems to come to him, which is why it's hard for him to show empathy. I feel like him having coddling parents would be the ultimate act of cruel fate for BoJack and Diane.

@Justsomefreeloader

8 жыл бұрын

Mr. Peanutbutter's brother is in the 3rd season when him and Diane go to Peanutbutters home town.

This show changed me in ways I can't explain

This takes on a WHOLE new meaning after season 4, a WHOLE new meaning..

@queeratour

5 жыл бұрын

I'll keep that in mind as I work my way up from S2 😂

@aashutosh1955

2 жыл бұрын

I watched this episode and liked your comment after watching this episode. Now I'm here after s4e2 Man, it blew my mind!!!!

I love the little touches in this animation; like her front teeth being stained pink from years of wearing lipstick 24/7.

@mapache7317

6 жыл бұрын

that could be from her cataracts preventing her vision from putting on makeup properly . same thing would happen to my grandmother.

@Ramonerdna

6 жыл бұрын

IKR! I kept staring at it to see if my eyes were deceiving me

after the call, the mixtape goes "Visuallize yourself as you're flying out the window." please, Todd, Carolyn, Sarah, PB, Diane, don't let Bojack suicides

@Justsomefreeloader

8 жыл бұрын

Thankfully, he doesn't kill himself in the 3rd season.

@gorgiascae5682

8 жыл бұрын

but Sarah yes lmao i'm so funny.

@SuperIlikepotatos

8 жыл бұрын

+Pepperon Pazzi He damn near did.

@mrcsbsts

7 жыл бұрын

He'll follow the Secretariat's destiny, killing himself, alone

@mtl9441

7 жыл бұрын

+Marcos Bastos I hope that doesn't happen, but I can see it

Bojack Horseman is quite a satire on celebrity culture and Hollywood, or Hollywoo if you wanna call it that. But it's more about the human experince, you see that with Bojack's quest on changing himself and being a better and happier person. You see the same with side characters like Diane, Princess Carolyn, and even with Todd. Not only is it a great black comedy, it has a gripping narrative.

@mikansan8216

4 жыл бұрын

Hollywoob*

The way that Bojack tries to help her with her crossword anyway shows just how he's so used to this sort of treatment from Beatrice. But his facial expressions as she tells him of the "Ugliness inside him" show that it still hurts.

It's amazing how she sounds almost remorseful, or at least aware of her part in all this. But she absolutely cannot bring herself to issue a REAL apology or say even one kind word...

As someone said on a similar video before me. (this may even be the same video). "Bojack wasn't born broken. His Parents broke him."

@danielramsey6141

7 жыл бұрын

this quate is from PumaAlfred :)

@deuce5546

7 жыл бұрын

But there are people like Bojack that didn't have those type of parents but are the same as him

@archer1949

7 жыл бұрын

But in the end, it just becomes another cop out. Todd called him out at the end of season 3. "It's you".

@danielramsey6141

7 жыл бұрын

tUmUt Thanks.

@gavinmaxwell4944

7 жыл бұрын

It can be used as a cop out. Bojack definitely used it as an excuse not to change on more occasions than one. And I believe that's what todd was referring to when he said this. But in the end, most of the therapy that Bojack needs is unpacking his childhood and realizing why he is the way that he is. It's kind of two fold. You gotta know where to came from to break the cycle. But you can't use where you came from as an excuse not to.

You're Bojack Horseman, no cure for that. Damn, way to cheer me up mom. Why didn't you just drown me as a baby and save us both from the pain of having to experience the continuous horror that is my life. Anyway.... George Cukor directed The Philadelphia Story. Goodbye.

@BubuSnow93

6 жыл бұрын

Well... hope you watched the 4x11 :D

Their last real conversation. Sucks.

@roronoazoro8626

3 жыл бұрын

Damn i didnt even realize😔

"I'm sorry" He thinks she's going to apologize for hurting him... buuut she's apologizing for passing on the /gene/ for brokenness which means that he is and always has been broken by default. The person who hurt him is letting him know how unaware she is of how her actions have affected him. Ouch. This belief also reveals a bit about Beatrice- her defeatist attitude. Why did she stay in that marriage with Butterscotch? She hated everything about her life but for decades made no effort to change any of it. Well, because there's no point in trying to fix things, right? No point in trying to fix me. Even if I went somewhere else, I'd still be just as unhappy, because it's just who I am, right? You just learn to live with it.

I noticed that when Beatrice called him, he doesn’t have her as “mom” on the phone ID he has her as “Bea”. He’s may address her as a mother but he doesn’t view her as one

It's so heartbreaking that this is probably the closest thing to connecting the two ever had.

@winglessfairy564

Жыл бұрын

And it’s one of the most cruel dialogues ever 😭😭

We're all bojack... and there's no cure for that

After watching the episode that focuses on her childhood, you see that she’s actually doing this out of love. She’s saying that it’s not his fault, but she can’t show emotions- that makes it even more dark!

Honestly if I heard that "you were born broken" speech from MY PARENTS, I would eat a frigging buckshot, and take my chances in hell...

@MrSockenloch

8 жыл бұрын

Only you can change things. I would give a fuck if my parents say that.

@emeraldtabbycat148

8 жыл бұрын

You're not emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually wounded like me. There's a difference.

@vriskanitram3905

8 жыл бұрын

+toxic tabby Honestly, the level of broken where you just stop caring is its own level of hell.

@emeraldtabbycat148

8 жыл бұрын

(Siiiiggghh) Sad, but true....

@MrSockenloch

8 жыл бұрын

jup

It’s really sad knowing this is probably the last convo they had before she lost her mind......

"I read the parts about me, the things I've said to you... you must think I'm a real monster." I kind of like how she doesn't outright deny that she's said terrible things to him, and even more, she doesn't try to defend herself or say he's wrong for feeling the way he does. If anything, she agrees that they were terrible. You'd think she would try to pull out some kind of excuse for why she would say those things, like how he was too needy, or too whiny, or how he ruined her life in some way, but she doesn't. Probably the "nicest" thing she's ever done for him.

@seasonsstarsstudios

Жыл бұрын

This is the part that, in my eyes, almost redeemed her a little. I fully expected her to shift the blame on him. But she didn’t do that. Sure, she doesn’t take on all the responsibility, but she doesn’t deny her part either. She in a way validated his view on her. That’s exactly the opposite of what my parents did to me. All they ever do is blame me for their separation, financial issues, and everything else that went wrong with their marriage. I wasn’t a bad kid; I didn’t do drugs or alcohol, I did what I was told, and I got stellar grades as well as participate in extracurricular activities (which I despised). I didn’t even fool around with dating until my parents split up, and even then I was extremely careful. But everything wrong with their marriage was somehow my fault. My father even told me once that he would kick me out at 15 because I didn’t wash the dishes according to his standards, which changed every day. I was doomed to fail from the start. If either of my parents ever said anything to me that was half as understanding as this I’d be over the moon. But I’ve never gotten any sort of apology from them, let alone acknowledgement of their wrongdoings. I’ve given up on them both - just like how they gave up on me even though I didn’t do anything wrong.

this is my favourite scene in the whole show. it just speaks to me. Mental illness runs in my family and I feel like there’s no way I could have escaped it - even if my parents were better. “You’re bojack horseman, there’s no cure for that.” it just wrecks me

@seasonsstarsstudios

Жыл бұрын

I relate to this so much. Mental illness is rampant on my dad’s side - all three of us kids who survived birth had some form of personality/mental issue. Both of my sisters have Histrionic Personality Disorder (my oldest sister killed herself because she was stupid and had to have the most pathetic life possible because of this disorder) and I have mixed bipolar disorder as well as severe generalized anxiety disorder - and, I suspect, PTSD from all the abuse my parents and both my sisters did to me, on top of losing the one thing that made life tolerable. I’m a mess, but I can’t talk about my issues without sounding like a narcissist or my family getting sick of me. That’s the truth, and unfortunately Beatrice was right - there’s no cure for it. Therapy is nice, but I can’t afford it, or even my medication that I so desperately need just to not feel guilty for living. Sometimes (most of the time, if I can be honest) I wish I could just go to sleep and never wake up. That’s part of my depressive swing, I get that, but it’s a real sensation, and this is the time when I’m in the most danger. I look at a knife and I see how my life would be better if I just took it to my wrists and cut up to my elbows. I don’t really blame my parents for what they did to me, nor do I blame my sisters - they were taught to hate and abuse me, so they did. My parents had abusive childhoods, so there really was no way out of it. I just hope I don’t do the same thing to my kids.

Eat your heart out Shinji Ikari.

@whathell6t

7 жыл бұрын

JHaru777 But, the difference is Ikari Shinji has a better chance of being happy and is the greater outcome of his circumstances than Bojack Horseman. The catalyst for having self-confidence, for Ikari Shinji, is set by Yui Ikari before her death, never to be erased from hardships, trauma, and tragedies); and if it's forgotten it will still be there. While Bojack Horseman, didn't have any catalysts for having self-confidence because his parents are inconsiderate and vain-ish. At least Ikari Shinji didn't grow in a loathsome environment like Bojack. Even Gendo Ikari was better than Bojack's parent because he was honest with himself for an asshole and abandoning his son properly, placing Shinji in care of a stranger the Gendo knows is considerate.

@randaltichy6570

7 жыл бұрын

I just think their situations can't be compare to.

@AirsoftTim92

7 жыл бұрын

I think you can definitely put them side by side and see a lot of very important similarities and differences. Especially if we're looking at where Shinji ends up in Evangelion 3.0. Shinji disappears inside by plugging in his SDAT and shutting out the world kind of like how BoJack resorts to alcohol. But Shinji's problems don't come from abuse, but instead from neglect, which creates a compulsive need to be needed. It's similar to how BoJack needs to be wanted, but different in a lot of ways.

Despite this arc being real sad, I really enjoy the attention to detail, such as the lipstick stain on Beatrice's teeth

The sad thing is...neither of them were born broken. Children are blank slates, but when you're raised by broken people, it puts you in a cycle. And its so hard to break that cycle when it's all you've known. Trauma and chaos become a comfort when you've grown up navigating it. Bo was raised by a woman who was broken young. But bea just wants to ease her own guilt. This kind of solidifies my theory that she knows she failed him. She knows she isn't able to fix the son she broke with her own toxic behavior. So she tries to brush it off and blame it on him. She's right about one thing: circumstance means he was destined to grow up miserable. Misery is the theme of their family...he was meant to be broken.

Telling your child that they were "born broken" and that they can never be happy is probably one of the most disgusting things you could ever say to them.

@Ninja07Keaton

6 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, but given season 4, what else could she tell Bojack? It's not like you can tell someone their chances for happiness are amazing when the past 2 generations of the family were broken by tragedy. Bojack having inherited his mothers' depression, she isn't exactly wrong. Not that it excuses her, mind you, but telling him that he will find happiness when his entire family before him failed horribly to do so would have been even more cruel.

"You were born broken." Coming from someone like Bojack's mother, that makes her character just unlikable. But the other part, "You're Bojack Horseman, and there's no cure for that." Seems like it has a double meaning, positive and negative.

@xAlphaBxtch

7 жыл бұрын

Well she isn't supposed to be a likable character, and BOY they have done a good job making us hate her.

@jibritrawick9083

6 жыл бұрын

Đřűįđ I don't hate her at all. I actually pity her. She admitted to being broken along with BoJacks father. She's breaking to him the news that he will suffer the same fate she had. And she did apologize. Or at least make the effort too. So I can't say I hate her. I love her as a character, because the role she plays is so important. But, as a person, she's very unlikeable. Which is kind of the point.

@iug5672

6 жыл бұрын

Jibri,congrats you got her character way before the show even touched upon directly.

@Kunimitsu877

6 жыл бұрын

Jibri Trawick what are your thoughts on her now since her story arc finished in season 4

@ethanciotti9103

5 жыл бұрын

Jibri Clay and Bloberta never did that!

“We’re broken people and broken people break others”

I grew up with a broken suicidal alcoholic mother.I know what it feels like to be broken.

I love scenes like this, contrasts well with the silliness and gives it a depth you don't see in most shows, animated or not. Reminds me of my mom.

@JellisX891

7 жыл бұрын

Same.

Guys, for all of you wishing BoJack won't kill himself...Don't hold your breath. I don't want him dead either, but this show isn't exactly about happy endings.

@Endershock1678

6 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if season three's ending had BoJack let go of the wheel and then a truck hit him or something, and the series just ended, I don't think I would've been surprised.

@clovercalloway

6 жыл бұрын

Unexpectedly, the end of season 4 was... the most happy ending for a show like this. Give me the hope that I needed.

@blademartin2014

4 жыл бұрын

He's been getting better in the last season.

@karenparada6490

4 жыл бұрын

And he didn't! Yay?

@KayKay-or6cd

4 жыл бұрын

Guess what :)

The thing I love about this show is how the more you watch these characters live their lives and the learn about how they are the way they are, the more their actions in the previous episodes make sense. (Episode 11 of Season 4 puts this scene in a whole other perspective.) Bojack Horseman embraces reality, and that's so special.

"You're BoJack Horseman. Ain't no cure for that" always gets me. He can't be anything other than himself and BoJack knows better than anyone what kind of person he is. The things he does. It's... damn... There's just no hope. You're cursed with being... just you. You're what's wrong with you.

When you realize this is the nicest thing she says to Bojack in the whole show

0:34 “you know how I feel about Anne Frank”😂

@ellerybyrd1360

4 жыл бұрын

That was a diary

@lambykin842

5 ай бұрын

😭☠️

Bojack Horseman is one of the only shows I’ve seen that properly portrays a broken relationship like this. Bea knows she’s awful and knows her and Butterscotch are the reason Bojack was shot in the foot from the beginning of the race, but her narcissism and self hatred can’t let her fully accept that, so she has to put down Bojack, even if she doesn’t mean too.

Nowadays, it's so surreal hearing Eda the Owl Lady's voice coming out of BoJack's abusive mother.

@randomcenturion7264

Жыл бұрын

It's like night and day. Beatrice was a, while tragic, vile, nasty piece of shit that set her son down the wrong path. Eda on the other hand seems to be the Witch version of Bruce Wayne and takes in a lot of troubled kids and gives them good life advice...and, very illegal advice, but it's all good.

The Anne Frank joke fucking killed me

It hurts more after hearing her story. She has her reasons to truly believe this and she does try to apologize but also it doesn't excuse her. You just kinda get her a bit more but very depressingly this doesn't help BoJack and her treatment of him. God this show guts you. You're not just sad; you're broken.

I think what is so painful about this scene for me is that my mother and I had almost the exact same conversation. She was this powerful broken woman who made all her problem my and my sisters fault. I grew up with the impossible standards and expectations that she placed on me snd constantly failed at each turn. It took a heavy toll on my already damaged mind (bipolar, depression, severe anxiety, and other things). Eventually it (and other things) pushed me to the point that life didnt feel worth living. Obviously the attempt failed and I ended up being held in physic ward for a while. After that I started getting the help I needed and started to become a stronger person. I am capable of things I never thought myself possible. Even still to her Im just a toy. She once looked me in the eye and told me that if she could go back in time she wouldnt have bothered to birth me or my sister. That it was her social duty and the pressure of having children was forced upon her and that she would change that if she could. The entire relationship between Bojack and Beatrice describes my mother and I. I fear that we, or rather I will have an instance like "Free Churro" when she dies. I dont know what to do about it, or there is anything I can do. I duno.

@seasonsstarsstudios

Жыл бұрын

Your relationship with your mother is exactly the one I have with my father. I, however, was strong throughout the abuse, but my son died due to leukemia and all my strength was gone afterwards. That broke me faster and more thoroughly than anything else before in my life - the beltings and slaps I could handle, and even the amount of verbal abuse I could handle, but my son Lee was the only reason I endured and fought back; he deserved to have a mother who had healthy boundaries, if nothing else to teach him that he should do the same. Now, whenever my father says something horrible I kind of just lay there and take it. There’s no point in fighting back or arguing with him because in the end I feel those things about myself as well, and it’s just confirming everything I already feel. No amount of therapy will be able to fix or slap a Band-Aid on my issues. I tried after Lee passed away, and I failed. I’ve reconciled myself to my own destruction, though. I’m terribly sad that, when I die, my son wouldn’t even have the opportunity to get a free churro. Lee deserved to have a better grandfather.

@winglessfairy564

Жыл бұрын

Cut her out of your life when you can. Mother or not. Don’t allow her that power. You’re strong, you’ll be able to move forward from it. Unless she’s up to changing her ways and making amends with you, I suggest you just do that, even though it’ll be hard. Nobody deserves to be treated like that by anyone

@Peekabye

Жыл бұрын

Hearing the fact that she was expected to have kids due to society describes my parents. Felt like they needed to have kids just cause. Doesn’t help that they’re immigrants and my dad cheated on mom.

@vincikeeper1581

7 ай бұрын

​@@winglessfairy564 exactly

Fucking hell, man, I haven;t cried in a long time over a tv show or movie, but after seeing the episodes about beatrice's past and realizing this is just her trying to apologize but simply being incapable of it... i'm tearing up again. *sigh*

"You're Bojack Horseman. There's no cure for that" Bro how do you recover for that-

After season 4 I can really understand why she was that cruel all the time. We always thought victim was the Bojack, because his parents really treated him like shit but Beatrice's parents were way more shittier. Bea was a broken person once and it was her birthright too.

@kendallmcleod147

6 жыл бұрын

You could say her parents were worse because, while Beatrice degraded him emotionally and mentally and his dad shouted a lot and occasionally smacked him; her parents hit her where it would do the most damage. They never touched her, but over the course of her childhood; the things she held dear to her heart, her sense of frivolity and the one member of her family who actually seemed to understand her to the smallest semblance of a degree; it was all destroyed, crushed and snatched away. What makes it worse, is that that was their version of kindness. Imagine how horrible her life and her mental state would be if they were actually *TRYING* to be cruel.

@iug5672

6 жыл бұрын

On a complete contrast with Bojack; Bea was born with everything,a loving family,a bright future and a dreamed life-style;and she had everything taken away from her. Bojack was born with nothing,no loving family,no bright future and a shitty life-style;and he won everything that a man could want,but he is still broken,much like he when he was born.

@latioswarr3785

6 жыл бұрын

I don't like this poor excuse of "I am the victim so i have the excuse to make the same mistakes all over again but worst", Bojack's parents were so much worse to him than Beatrice's parents to her in fact her dad just wanted the best to her (in a very horrible way but typical of that era) while Beatrice hated her son since he was a baby and her violence was too much for Bojack, she broke her son, also the only valid excuse for Beatrice to be so mean is that she never had true friends my point is while she had a bad childhood it is in no way comparable to the way she destroyed Bojacks life and how she made Bojack feel like his existence was worthless and a mistake, thats just too much for a child.

@iug5672

6 жыл бұрын

It can't be poor if there wasn't an excuse to begin with,the show never stops to acknowledge the fact that Bea was a terrible person and a terrible mother,they just gave her a backstory to check that up,and yes,being a victim doesn't justify you doing the same mistakes or worse,that's something we're learning from Bojack,that's the whole point of why he did what he did for his Mother at the end,he decided to put his suffering behind,he doesn't forgave her but he put his past traumas behind him instead of keeping it going on an egocentric ball of suffering.

@TheCatsMe00w

6 жыл бұрын

Arif Can Uysal it’s the cycle of abuse my fam. Those who were have abusive parents usually have abusive grand parents and etc etc. and each new parent generation tells their children as they’re abusing them “this is fine. At least you didn’t grow up like how I did.”

A lot of people are saying this was her trying to reach out to Bojack in a genuine way but I disagree. She wanted to hurt him. She was angry and embarrassed that he told the truth about her in his book so she got her revenge by saying the most damaging thing she could think of under the guise of sincerity. Also, by saying he’s “born broken” she’s denying any responsibility she had for Bojack’s depression. It’s not her fault he’s sad, he was born that way.

sad that this is her way of apologizing to him

Generational trauma is no joke. It really is like a curse on a family.

1:06 Anyone find this moment a little unsettling when she says "You were born broken" and the music was getting downright creepy?

Please oh god don't commit suicide Bojack.

This episode made me cry. I saw myself in every single scene. It made me understand that I cannot escape from my identity, even if this has been "broken" by the people around me or who are part of my past. Also, I think my mom could say the exact same words to me.

@ihssene_

2 жыл бұрын

Between all the comments yours hit me hard, from this sad corner of world i hope you're fine.

@daniapfel9673

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@Headhand-qd9so

9 ай бұрын

Fight. You may have surrounded yourself by terrible people but don't give up. Refuse to break. If you have to then cut ties with the toxic people holding you back. Learn not to be toxic yourself. Keep on fighting.

@bassfunkprog6730

8 ай бұрын

Same here pal, at least we are not alone in this disgusting existence

EDA!!!

In this scene BoJack had the best performance of his life becuase he was able to relate more to his hero then anyone. After this conversation he wanted to run away from the pain.

I relate to this so much, this is the first show I've seen that has addressed my feelings of brokenness. I cried when I watched this.

@A-Z-U-R-E

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that

Gets even sadder when you remember this is the last lucid conversation they had before Beatrice’s dementia developed/progressed.

Rue and Bojack They are the only two TV characters that legit break my heart at least once an episode. I can't watch Rue without my own anxiety acting up and watching Bojack is like hearing a echo of my own self negative talks. Thanks to the amazing writing and acting of the both of them I finally after 20 years of fighting this shit am seeking help and I have to say it feels really really good to talk about it.

And to think I thought Peter and Lois or Mr./Mrs. Turner were the worst parents cartoons had to offer

@ComaAlpha

6 жыл бұрын

SteveMorison Family Guy and Fairly Odd Parents are both set in such outlandish universes that their disconnect and ignoring tendencies are overlooked by the real plots of said episodes. This however hits home for a lot of people. For a show that uses animals for most of its characters, it is SO realistic.

@Lowkeylie

6 жыл бұрын

SteveMorison Peter and Lois are definitely worse than the Turners. They may be imbeciles and incidentally scar their child by leaving him with a horrible babysitter, but they at least _care_ about him. Peter and Lois went from dysfunctional but loving in the earlier seasons to straight up abusive and mean spirited in the later ones.

so many fathers and mothers die believing they did alright...

"It's not just you, ya know..."

After season 4 this scene means a lot more than it did the first time around.

Jesus Christ! I need to watch this show.

@Justsomefreeloader

8 жыл бұрын

Do it! The 3rd season was just released, so you've got some watching to do!

Season 4 was so dark compared to the other seasons and after watching it, It explains a lot: How Bojack acts makes more sense now, Bojack comes from a long line of Hurt, rotten and Damaged people. All his awful traits: the cowardly, the cruelty, the womanizing, the selfishness, the self-righteousness, the hysteria, the craziness and more. Were all inherited from his ancestors.

Jesus, re-watching BoJack I always hear Eda from the owl house when his mom appears

What sticks with me, that this is probably the closest thing she could ever come to apologize for anything to her son. Some people, whether born that way or made that way, cannot apologize. Or make good ones. She said she was sorry. It was hard for her, but she did it, and then explained herself, wanting to be understood so that Bojack wouldn't hate her. As have been stated elsewhere about Bojack... I think Beatrice wanted to be seen too.

This strikes me. My mom is verbally abusing me for 18 years. I developed trauma to her. Every time i see her, I'm expecting that she will say bad things to me and blame everything to me. But the time when I move out to my uncle's house (college purposes because the university there is near), she visits me and asked me if i miss the home or not. I replied no, i did not. Later, after my mom goes home, my uncle said that he caught my mom crying alone after i said that i did not like the home.

@expecttheunexpected8361

2 жыл бұрын

I did not like home because i didn't like the environment. Everyday, i am hearing insults and bullshits about me.

no one is born broken, they're made broken

“You were born broken.” No Beatrice. YOU broke him.

If Steven Universe is the most important show for youth and pubescent teens, this is the most important show for adults. Steven starts sweet and is fuelled by love but as he passes age 13 into 14 he realises how fucked up his life is and how messed up the world is. This show has similar themes but the fact Bojack is past his prime means that he is unsure he will ever be able to change. He is worried about how late he is in his life and whether anything he does can be rectified and changed for good rather than making himself unhappy and stuck in limbo. This show is a masterpiece and the fact people still ignore it really pisses me off. Its popular, sure, but EVERYONE should know its importance and significance as a true look into the psyche and a palette of all emotions and experiences that make the human race "human."

@gonkdroidincarnate4237

3 жыл бұрын

Well a lot better than Steven Universe

@tobsonasanya4765

2 жыл бұрын

@@gonkdroidincarnate4237 I mean bojack is better than many shows lol

I believe this is the worst thing Beatrice has ever done. She essentially validates and invalidates him at the same time. You are this and you'll never feel better about yourself because your legacy of failure is the only thing you got from me and your father. If you were old and the last words you may possibly ever say to your child was this, then its true that Bojack never truly had a chance from the beginning. It's so sad that all I can do is shake my head.

The saddest part is I understand where she's coming from. Most of my family on my dad's sides have all suffered from mental illness, self-harm, been admitted to hospitals, addiction and/or alcoholism. Eventually you just start to feel like it's your genes that have doomed you. Like you were going to be this way from the start, a self fulfilling prophecy. Of course its not that we were born broken, but that we were surrounded by toxic and abusive people that were also surrounded by toxic and abusive people growing up that didnt get them the help they needed, whether it was intentional or not. Generational trauma basically, but it's much easier to accept that we were born broken. My dad's apologized to me for our genes, for the family I was born into. I started to believe that my blood was poison and it fucked with me so bad before I went to the psych ward. As much as I want to be a parent one day it terrifies me to think about passing my genes down. Beatrice in her own fucked up way really does feel sorry for turning Bojack into Bojack, but she was too self absorbed and stuck in her own trauma and toxicity to really see that it wasn't just genes, bad luck, or issues specifically targeted toward the family that caused Bojack to be Bojack (and Beatrice to be Beatrice) it was the abuse and shitty decisions.

@seasonsstarsstudios

Жыл бұрын

At least you got an apology. I’m still waiting for my father’s apology for blaming me for my son’s cancer, let alone the abuse he threw at me through most of my life. But before he died, I got my son evaluated for any of the common mental issues that run on my father’s side of the family (personality disorders, bipolar, anxiety, schizophrenia, stuff like that) and he was clean of everything. I hope that gives you a little hope that your genes aren’t corrupt; if that were true (which I too once believed) my son would’ve shown some signs of a mental condition. The worst he had is a rare learning disorder called NLD, which he inherited from me (sort of like autism and ADHD mixed together). So the situation isn’t as dire as you may think. Just because genetics may play a factor in kids doesn’t mean that your kids will suffer from mental health issues.

You only adopted the broken. Bojack was born broken, molded by it, he didn't see happiness till season 2 by then it was nothing but blinding!

@emeraldtabbycat148

8 жыл бұрын

Maybe in season three he'll find some actual happiness...or he'll kill himself, whatever comes first!

“You’re BoJack Horseman...there’s no cure for that.” No, and there’s no cure for what you are either, Bea.

imagine reading about all the horrible shit that you did to your kid and then thinking they were "born" broken

I can’t imagine how anyone can’t be fucked up from having a parent like this…

The closet thing to an apology Beatrice could ever give.

I need to rethink my life. Bojack, I'm sorry for any trouble you've ever gone through in the past. Wish you lived in my family, cause this just, just, shattered me. My mother would never say that. (Edit. Yes my mom would say this to me. I forgot about this comment. Why did this get so much attention again?)

@neomcdoom

6 жыл бұрын

Grayman 2003 he's not a person

@tongue_pop3328

6 жыл бұрын

That doesn't really matter. They seem real to people who are truly invested in the story. Bojack, you are not broken. You never were. Your mom has been through hell, and all your life she's projected it onto you. But with work and time, you can make things better. However she may have hurt you, you can heal; I promise.

@KoshVader

6 жыл бұрын

I know! I just want to cuddle him and tell him that he's fine and there is hope for him.

@tongue_pop3328

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't cuddle, but I'd sit on the back porch with him by the pool and drink tea while he has whatever and just talk with him.

@fatestay999

6 жыл бұрын

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in her own fucked up way, at least she apologized... most people don't get that from their abusers, especially not sincerely.

and he still answers her stupid crossword puzzle, still so desperate for her validation

Born broken???? MY ASS!!! No one is born broken, what breaks us is the people we're supposed to trust letting us down