Something about the smeared lipstick on the teeth really makes me feel uneasy. Like, she's aware that she's a mess herself.
@Tim_ra6 күн бұрын
I secretly love the mother though.
@thefabledfish20 күн бұрын
This reminds me of chuck’s last words to Jimmy in better call Saul
@AndersMJustesen22 күн бұрын
That cigarette for her personal image when she calls him seems so weirdly fitting
@harrisonbetker227122 күн бұрын
I'm sorry. Is Beatrice apologizing or is she still blaming Bojack for being born?
@shady8045Ай бұрын
this was the last non dementia ridden interaction they had ever. funny to think about.
@sarahrichard8441Ай бұрын
An amazing series!!!!!!!!
@EnigmaticGentlemanАй бұрын
You know, this is the last time we see Bojacks mom before she slipped into dementia. I wonder if she knew that her mind was starting to go, and was trying to make some sort of amends with Bojack while she still could. Did a really shit job at it though.
@brecky384Ай бұрын
As someone who has had eerily similar conversations with their mom, if you relate to this, please try to find a good therapist. It can truly change your life. You’re not broken - but you’re probably hurt, and all hurt people can use some good help. Be good to yourself ❤
@robodachi3062Ай бұрын
i can't stop crying
@sullivans2004Ай бұрын
Damn, that is fucking DEEP.
@robodachi30622 ай бұрын
like please
@sweethysteria87372 ай бұрын
Something Beatrice really needed to be told and sadly wasn’t was the same thing Bojack was told my Todd She is all the things that are wrong with her and all the bad things that she’s done It’s not her father, it’s not Butterscotch, it’s no bojack, it’s not her childhood, or her marriage, or any of that It’s her, she’s the problem She never seemed to be able to get it through her head that she isn’t the victim, she’s the one causing harm, and her shitty life is no excuse
@puresilence13 ай бұрын
my heart
@Lifeistooshortbro3 ай бұрын
I grew up with a broken suicidal alcoholic mother.I know what it feels like to be broken.
@NLBusiness3913 ай бұрын
Lmao Bojacks mom was such complete, utter scum. It doesn’t matter what you go through, you NEVER have the right to treat a child the way she treated Bojack. Also no one is born broken, only molded into what they are through their choices and through the world around them. She only said that as a pathetic cope out for the vile way she treated him growing up.
@xiuurr3 ай бұрын
what bea was trying to say is that bojack was doomed the moment he was born, she admitted that her father and she were terrible people who were incapable of doing any good. this was bea's way of apologising whilst unconsciously doing damage. bea was just as broken as bojack, the only difference is that bojack tried to be better but bea was too far gone. and what's worse is that bea was right, bojack was never whole in the end.
@partylrd86993 ай бұрын
Its crazy to think the voice actress for Beatrice went from playing one of the worst moms in cartoon history to one of the best with Eda from the owl house.
@xavierballard99023 ай бұрын
One could say this is Beatrice’s way of saying that she thinks Bojack should retire because it’s not like being a famous actor has ever made Bojack a better less miserable person. No one is denying that Beatrice is a sick woman but I have to give props where props are due. What she did for Henrietta and hollyhock was the kindest and healthiest decision she ever made in her life. And as for her relationship with Bojack, although it was too late, in her defense she did technically apologize to him. She sympathized with him about his depression but she was also honest with him that no matter what he did he was going to end up Just like her. To a degree anyway.
@lostallsenseofscale3 ай бұрын
beatrice and butterscotch were born broken too. they put bojack through hell, but hey, at some point, it's bojack's responsibility to do better; whether or not it's possible, it's still his responsibility. y'all be coming at beatrice like there's something she could do at thise point to fix it or something, like bojack is this poor, misunderstood victim of his circumstances that can't be held responsible for his actions or his own happiness. those feelings are valid, but if those feelings aren't dealt with in a healthy way, you end up breaking into your former home, nearly drowning, and winding up in prison.
@lauraprado69974 ай бұрын
In a way, that was the grand love gesture from sitcoms Bojack yearned for his mother to give him all his life. Hearing Beatrice admit those things could serve as a moment of closure, that She Seems Him. Is the best gesture of love that his mom could give him and she is talking about how there is no cure for what he is.
@wolfdwarf4 ай бұрын
I C U.
@progamerzach14 ай бұрын
Relatable with an abusive parent that they say or do something horrible and then the next day pretend like nothing bad happened.
@hntr_official5 ай бұрын
Why do I sympathize with this character so much
@Connor-fj5rc5 ай бұрын
A lot of people are saying this was her trying to reach out to Bojack in a genuine way but I disagree. She wanted to hurt him. She was angry and embarrassed that he told the truth about her in his book so she got her revenge by saying the most damaging thing she could think of under the guise of sincerity. Also, by saying he’s “born broken” she’s denying any responsibility she had for Bojack’s depression. It’s not her fault he’s sad, he was born that way.
@tronhero99655 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, this is one of the only times we see BoJack talk to his mom before her dementia takes over.
@C_Cooke5 ай бұрын
Kind of sucks that this was the closest to an apology Bojack ever got.
@Brooklynoff5 ай бұрын
Whats episode
@0ldMatty25 ай бұрын
This show jumped up its own ass and died of boredom 🎉
@bad40315 ай бұрын
Life is a circle fr. A circle that was shaped because of a single small dot, No matter how this dot looked small it still managed to push its way and complete the whole circle. So, There's no going back now.
@bryanweber12316 ай бұрын
Her character is one of the most evil, toxic, narcissistic characters I have ever seen.
@TheFMHatter19866 ай бұрын
Who says that to their own son? sure BoJack is many things but broken is not one of them sure he's done things he's not proud of but he's own anthromophic horse actor
@ajchovanec6 ай бұрын
Who's the narrator of Bojack's self-help audiobook? To my ears it sounds almost like George Takei.
@crisptomato94956 ай бұрын
Don’t horses have like, a billion different blood types? So it would be really hard to find Bea a match that wasn’t Bojack. That’s a great gag if that was intentional lol.
@Ironcorgi26 ай бұрын
In her own twisted way this was Beatrice acknowledging the generational trauma that she perpetuated thinking it was just intrinsic in their genetics rather than choices her father did that effected how she raised her son.
@user-hj6zi8sn5e4 ай бұрын
Nah
@martindennehy91967 ай бұрын
This scene honestly changed my life. Helped me accept that some things are just the way they are. Some damage can't be undone. But you can live life on the terms that have been set
@dancingwaffle40297 ай бұрын
Small detail but bojack’s “do you need more blood?” resonates with me… like he gave her blood before? Willingly?
@Kapplerartbloomingdale8 ай бұрын
Now we know who mr. Hands lover was 😂😂
@controllerfreak788 ай бұрын
The biggest unfairness in the world is how we get fucked up by situations outside of our control, by our parents making mistakes or outright abusing us, by random accidents and traumas that hit us out of nowhere, by genetic predispositions for mental conditions, and yet it's entirely up to us to take control and fix those mistakes we had no hand in causing. Even if you get depression from your mother, or alcoholism from your mother, PTSD from a random assault, or just general personality flaws that come from being a human, it's your responsibility as someone who didn't ask for those flaws to fix them. It's unfair, it isn't right, and we shouldn't have these problems forced onto us, but they are. And if we don't do anything to fix them, or we don't do enough, we add to those mistakes and become the trauma that drives someone else to make their own mark on the world. A lot of Bojack's problems aren't his fault, he was born broken as his mom put it, he was forced to grow up in a home where he was unwanted, inheriting mental illnesses from both of his parents, and given no guidance on how to be an adult. But it's his responsibility to fix those mistakes, and his failure to do so in a healthy way through most of the show is what leads him to make his worst mistakes. Because as terrible as it is that his brain is screwed up because of traumas outside of his control, and as unfair as it is that he has these illnesses, addictions, and maladaptive behaviors, he does still have control over how he acts in response to all of that trauma. It wasn't his choice to have alcohol forced on him by his father, but it was his choice to go on a bender with Sarah Lynn that ultimately killed her. He didn't choose to be raised by a narcissist mother who inadvertently taught him that power over others is the only trustworthy thing in the world, but he did choose to take that advice and abuse his power over several women in his life. Bojack is right to blame his parents and his upbringing for the causes of his mental issues. He doesn't have the right to blame them for the choices he makes because of them.
@DravenUrei8 ай бұрын
Going back to this, I don't think what she's saying is to take heat off her own back, but more as a weird, backwards way of apologizing for having two shitty parents. He was born to two terrible people. He was doomed from conception. She knew she could never be a loving mother, she knew that his father would never do right by them. She knew, but it happened anyways. And the generational curse continues.
@SchizandStrapped138 ай бұрын
“You come by it honestly… the ugliness inside you” heartbreaking
@will_from_pa8 ай бұрын
Coming from a pretty broken home and struggling with chronic depression, I relate to Bojack on a spiritual level here.
@matthewkarim59198 ай бұрын
BoJack wasn’t born broken, he was created by two broken parents of his. They had all the right pieces to construct him, but they broke the pieces and put them in the wrong places. They made him the broken mess that he became to be.
@infern51119 ай бұрын
damn you cut it right before the good part
@evo25429 ай бұрын
This is maximum projection from Beatrice.
@dallasmayhem52919 ай бұрын
I replayed the part when she said she read about how he makes him feel and shes sorry and I imagined it was my own mom saying that. I know I'll never hear that from her. I wish she would give me that much
@tulipplant93179 ай бұрын
Bruh. Like. Why does Bojacks parents hate the jews so much.
@amiiredhead26769 ай бұрын
Generational trauma is no joke. It really is like a curse on a family.
@happyvocal10 ай бұрын
The sad thing is, it's all a cycle. Beatrice wasn't born broken, her family broke her. Bojack wasn't born broken, his family broke him. And even though Bojack didn't have kids, he still damaged the people he came into contact with in his life, people who actually genuinely cared about him. And that's a realistic portrayal of... reality. Of people. We all have the potential to be good people even when we've been treated like garbage, but tons of people don't. They'd rather continue that cycle of hurt and not change themselves, because of selfishness. It's such a hollow realization.
@lukerosales58798 ай бұрын
Not her family, her father Joseph. Had Honey married a man with empathy, she could've gotten through Crackerjack's death.
@sauceywater31288 ай бұрын
@@lukerosales5879 Honey wasn’t able to process grief and nearly got Beatrice killed in a car accident and made her promise to never love. She isn’t a bad person because of her trauma, but she is still part of the reason Beatrice is the way she is. Edit: also a lot of men by that time period had similar mindsets. So it’s very hard to find someone who doesn’t view woman as an inferior and simple minded counterparts. She married a man she loved. It all started as an unfortunate circumstances, with war and coping with lose of a love one.
@Starsheen7 ай бұрын
In very rare instances are people born broken. That's not the case with BoJack. BoJack is the recipient of generational abuse and it got worse with every generation. That kind of abuse, and the internal mechanisms that develop to cope are hard to break out of. It's not selfishness, it's their default setting, their normalcy. Most of the show's plot is BoJack genuinely trying and wanting to be better, only to revert back to the coping mechanisms he's always used when things don't go according to plan. Because it's comfortable. It takes a lot of work to change the default setting and readjust what's comfortable when things aren't good.
@ronin75616 ай бұрын
@@lukerosales5879she forced an 8 year old Beatrice to drive a car. Say what you want about Joseph, but his anger was completely justified there
@iris56782 ай бұрын
@@lukerosales5879 You should read a history book. Honey was a project of her time. Most women of high class were expected to marry high class men no matter the cost.
@user-pt2ln3ty1x10 ай бұрын
Attitude
@TheTatermeister10 ай бұрын
BoJack is a character I just relate to cuz of the pain and loneliness and regret.
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Something about the smeared lipstick on the teeth really makes me feel uneasy. Like, she's aware that she's a mess herself.
I secretly love the mother though.
This reminds me of chuck’s last words to Jimmy in better call Saul
That cigarette for her personal image when she calls him seems so weirdly fitting
I'm sorry. Is Beatrice apologizing or is she still blaming Bojack for being born?
this was the last non dementia ridden interaction they had ever. funny to think about.
An amazing series!!!!!!!!
You know, this is the last time we see Bojacks mom before she slipped into dementia. I wonder if she knew that her mind was starting to go, and was trying to make some sort of amends with Bojack while she still could. Did a really shit job at it though.
As someone who has had eerily similar conversations with their mom, if you relate to this, please try to find a good therapist. It can truly change your life. You’re not broken - but you’re probably hurt, and all hurt people can use some good help. Be good to yourself ❤
i can't stop crying
Damn, that is fucking DEEP.
like please
Something Beatrice really needed to be told and sadly wasn’t was the same thing Bojack was told my Todd She is all the things that are wrong with her and all the bad things that she’s done It’s not her father, it’s not Butterscotch, it’s no bojack, it’s not her childhood, or her marriage, or any of that It’s her, she’s the problem She never seemed to be able to get it through her head that she isn’t the victim, she’s the one causing harm, and her shitty life is no excuse
my heart
I grew up with a broken suicidal alcoholic mother.I know what it feels like to be broken.
Lmao Bojacks mom was such complete, utter scum. It doesn’t matter what you go through, you NEVER have the right to treat a child the way she treated Bojack. Also no one is born broken, only molded into what they are through their choices and through the world around them. She only said that as a pathetic cope out for the vile way she treated him growing up.
what bea was trying to say is that bojack was doomed the moment he was born, she admitted that her father and she were terrible people who were incapable of doing any good. this was bea's way of apologising whilst unconsciously doing damage. bea was just as broken as bojack, the only difference is that bojack tried to be better but bea was too far gone. and what's worse is that bea was right, bojack was never whole in the end.
Its crazy to think the voice actress for Beatrice went from playing one of the worst moms in cartoon history to one of the best with Eda from the owl house.
One could say this is Beatrice’s way of saying that she thinks Bojack should retire because it’s not like being a famous actor has ever made Bojack a better less miserable person. No one is denying that Beatrice is a sick woman but I have to give props where props are due. What she did for Henrietta and hollyhock was the kindest and healthiest decision she ever made in her life. And as for her relationship with Bojack, although it was too late, in her defense she did technically apologize to him. She sympathized with him about his depression but she was also honest with him that no matter what he did he was going to end up Just like her. To a degree anyway.
beatrice and butterscotch were born broken too. they put bojack through hell, but hey, at some point, it's bojack's responsibility to do better; whether or not it's possible, it's still his responsibility. y'all be coming at beatrice like there's something she could do at thise point to fix it or something, like bojack is this poor, misunderstood victim of his circumstances that can't be held responsible for his actions or his own happiness. those feelings are valid, but if those feelings aren't dealt with in a healthy way, you end up breaking into your former home, nearly drowning, and winding up in prison.
In a way, that was the grand love gesture from sitcoms Bojack yearned for his mother to give him all his life. Hearing Beatrice admit those things could serve as a moment of closure, that She Seems Him. Is the best gesture of love that his mom could give him and she is talking about how there is no cure for what he is.
I C U.
Relatable with an abusive parent that they say or do something horrible and then the next day pretend like nothing bad happened.
Why do I sympathize with this character so much
A lot of people are saying this was her trying to reach out to Bojack in a genuine way but I disagree. She wanted to hurt him. She was angry and embarrassed that he told the truth about her in his book so she got her revenge by saying the most damaging thing she could think of under the guise of sincerity. Also, by saying he’s “born broken” she’s denying any responsibility she had for Bojack’s depression. It’s not her fault he’s sad, he was born that way.
If I remember correctly, this is one of the only times we see BoJack talk to his mom before her dementia takes over.
Kind of sucks that this was the closest to an apology Bojack ever got.
Whats episode
This show jumped up its own ass and died of boredom 🎉
Life is a circle fr. A circle that was shaped because of a single small dot, No matter how this dot looked small it still managed to push its way and complete the whole circle. So, There's no going back now.
Her character is one of the most evil, toxic, narcissistic characters I have ever seen.
Who says that to their own son? sure BoJack is many things but broken is not one of them sure he's done things he's not proud of but he's own anthromophic horse actor
Who's the narrator of Bojack's self-help audiobook? To my ears it sounds almost like George Takei.
Don’t horses have like, a billion different blood types? So it would be really hard to find Bea a match that wasn’t Bojack. That’s a great gag if that was intentional lol.
In her own twisted way this was Beatrice acknowledging the generational trauma that she perpetuated thinking it was just intrinsic in their genetics rather than choices her father did that effected how she raised her son.
Nah
This scene honestly changed my life. Helped me accept that some things are just the way they are. Some damage can't be undone. But you can live life on the terms that have been set
Small detail but bojack’s “do you need more blood?” resonates with me… like he gave her blood before? Willingly?
Now we know who mr. Hands lover was 😂😂
The biggest unfairness in the world is how we get fucked up by situations outside of our control, by our parents making mistakes or outright abusing us, by random accidents and traumas that hit us out of nowhere, by genetic predispositions for mental conditions, and yet it's entirely up to us to take control and fix those mistakes we had no hand in causing. Even if you get depression from your mother, or alcoholism from your mother, PTSD from a random assault, or just general personality flaws that come from being a human, it's your responsibility as someone who didn't ask for those flaws to fix them. It's unfair, it isn't right, and we shouldn't have these problems forced onto us, but they are. And if we don't do anything to fix them, or we don't do enough, we add to those mistakes and become the trauma that drives someone else to make their own mark on the world. A lot of Bojack's problems aren't his fault, he was born broken as his mom put it, he was forced to grow up in a home where he was unwanted, inheriting mental illnesses from both of his parents, and given no guidance on how to be an adult. But it's his responsibility to fix those mistakes, and his failure to do so in a healthy way through most of the show is what leads him to make his worst mistakes. Because as terrible as it is that his brain is screwed up because of traumas outside of his control, and as unfair as it is that he has these illnesses, addictions, and maladaptive behaviors, he does still have control over how he acts in response to all of that trauma. It wasn't his choice to have alcohol forced on him by his father, but it was his choice to go on a bender with Sarah Lynn that ultimately killed her. He didn't choose to be raised by a narcissist mother who inadvertently taught him that power over others is the only trustworthy thing in the world, but he did choose to take that advice and abuse his power over several women in his life. Bojack is right to blame his parents and his upbringing for the causes of his mental issues. He doesn't have the right to blame them for the choices he makes because of them.
Going back to this, I don't think what she's saying is to take heat off her own back, but more as a weird, backwards way of apologizing for having two shitty parents. He was born to two terrible people. He was doomed from conception. She knew she could never be a loving mother, she knew that his father would never do right by them. She knew, but it happened anyways. And the generational curse continues.
“You come by it honestly… the ugliness inside you” heartbreaking
Coming from a pretty broken home and struggling with chronic depression, I relate to Bojack on a spiritual level here.
BoJack wasn’t born broken, he was created by two broken parents of his. They had all the right pieces to construct him, but they broke the pieces and put them in the wrong places. They made him the broken mess that he became to be.
damn you cut it right before the good part
This is maximum projection from Beatrice.
I replayed the part when she said she read about how he makes him feel and shes sorry and I imagined it was my own mom saying that. I know I'll never hear that from her. I wish she would give me that much
Bruh. Like. Why does Bojacks parents hate the jews so much.
Generational trauma is no joke. It really is like a curse on a family.
The sad thing is, it's all a cycle. Beatrice wasn't born broken, her family broke her. Bojack wasn't born broken, his family broke him. And even though Bojack didn't have kids, he still damaged the people he came into contact with in his life, people who actually genuinely cared about him. And that's a realistic portrayal of... reality. Of people. We all have the potential to be good people even when we've been treated like garbage, but tons of people don't. They'd rather continue that cycle of hurt and not change themselves, because of selfishness. It's such a hollow realization.
Not her family, her father Joseph. Had Honey married a man with empathy, she could've gotten through Crackerjack's death.
@@lukerosales5879 Honey wasn’t able to process grief and nearly got Beatrice killed in a car accident and made her promise to never love. She isn’t a bad person because of her trauma, but she is still part of the reason Beatrice is the way she is. Edit: also a lot of men by that time period had similar mindsets. So it’s very hard to find someone who doesn’t view woman as an inferior and simple minded counterparts. She married a man she loved. It all started as an unfortunate circumstances, with war and coping with lose of a love one.
In very rare instances are people born broken. That's not the case with BoJack. BoJack is the recipient of generational abuse and it got worse with every generation. That kind of abuse, and the internal mechanisms that develop to cope are hard to break out of. It's not selfishness, it's their default setting, their normalcy. Most of the show's plot is BoJack genuinely trying and wanting to be better, only to revert back to the coping mechanisms he's always used when things don't go according to plan. Because it's comfortable. It takes a lot of work to change the default setting and readjust what's comfortable when things aren't good.
@@lukerosales5879she forced an 8 year old Beatrice to drive a car. Say what you want about Joseph, but his anger was completely justified there
@@lukerosales5879 You should read a history book. Honey was a project of her time. Most women of high class were expected to marry high class men no matter the cost.
Attitude
BoJack is a character I just relate to cuz of the pain and loneliness and regret.