Nice to see the NTSB adding that even if the pilots didn’t make the mistakes they did, the outcome still would’ve been the same due to the issues with the runway grooving.

@merlinmonson2133

Жыл бұрын

The pilots still should have aborted the landing!

@holisterbruxly4554

Жыл бұрын

The check cashed.

@KLienne

Жыл бұрын

Feels like pilots helping fellow pilots out on this one.

@mirikiki2098

Жыл бұрын

Hadn‘t made…

@danpatterson8009

Жыл бұрын

Which raises the question of why the crew decided that it was appropriate to attempt a landing there given an inoperable thrust reverser instead of going to an alternate with a drier runway.

My sister and her husband were on this flight. She texted me " we're ok but I'm in a lifeboat in the St Johns River"

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

Dang. That’s crazy

@jessik-1818

Жыл бұрын

😲🙏

@robsantana629

Жыл бұрын

Good text starting with “we’re ok”. Wow…longer runways would be smart just for safety reasons.

@L2lilboy

Жыл бұрын

So they saw how it crashed?

@maltheartistme

11 ай бұрын

“we’re ok but i’m in a lifeboat in the St. john’s River” my reaction to that: what the actual…

Love how you added the real audio from the tower and pilots. Great videos as always.

The feel of this episode is so authentic and real on all levels. I’m watching this with an icy bourbon in Melbourne Australia on a Saturday evening as I’ve done for many years. Thank you so much for your dedication to produceamazing content and creativity.

I lived 3 miles from the Jacksonville Naval Air Station and I remember hearing the breaking news reports on the local radio and TV stations. The next day I saw the airplane in the water from the Buckman Bridge. We were so glad the passengers and crew were all safe. So sad to hear the pets of the servicemember's aboard perished. Great video The Flight Channel.

@griffin5184

Жыл бұрын

My nana lives just across the road. We had a lil street party to celebrate everyone surviving and walking away unscathed. My uncle joey even baked a victoria sponge cake

@bertram_oredrock

Жыл бұрын

@@griffin5184 🙂🙂❤❤

@zakirov9339

Жыл бұрын

@@griffin5184 who is nana??!

@leslie49

Жыл бұрын

That should make the statement “Everyone Survived” incorrect.

@ForwardMomentum

Жыл бұрын

@@leslie49 during an in-flight emergency when “souls on board” is requested and provided, the answer never includes pets on board or below in the b-deck. While certainly sad that pets died, I think that’s what’s meant by “everyone survived.”

Whoever does these videos on this channel I wanna shake your hand. I love your work. I'm totally hooked

@jeorgyboop5063

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

Stressful, but glad to see everyone survived.

@problu9586

Жыл бұрын

Do like seeing no casualties after a mishap.

@gavinvalentino6002

Жыл бұрын

That's the reason the channel gives you the handy-happy-ending feelgood movie music at the end to manipulate your emotions and make you know everything is okay. Not that anyone ever notices such Psych101-level pandering.

@cf1925

Жыл бұрын

@@problu9586 ...Yes??? Who would not like to see nobody hurt after an accident like this???

@sunnyfon9065

Жыл бұрын

All the people survived, but the 3 pets in the cargo died

@Perich29

Жыл бұрын

they could have been eaten by the Crocodiles.

I was still on active duty with the CG when this call came through. Sometimes you never know what to expect; but glad there were no casualties.

I always enjoy hearing the real audio, thanks for including that!!!

Overloaded pilot trying to focus and bring his plane down. However, there are important lessons. When you have a short runway (displaced threshold shortening an already modest 8,000 foot length with inadequate grooving) and heavy rain, you have to put the airplane down right in the touchdown box and be prepared to use every available braking resource you have - spoilers, reverse thrust, wheel brakes, immediately. Arming the speedbrake was crucial here. Also, an inoperative thrust reverser, while not prohibiting departure per se, should have entered into a consideration of diverting to another airport given the storm. There are airports with even shorter runways - consider what happens at New York's La Guardia Airport, wioith runways 7,000 feet long, on a wet, stormy night or with snow. Given Florida's weather, it might be worthwhile to lengthen Jacksonville's runway.

@44R0Ndin

Жыл бұрын

Lengthening that runway would be extremely expensive. Cutting the required grooves into the existing runway so that aircraft don't hydroplane on it is a much more reasonable request, so reasonable in fact that it shouldn't be a request at all, it should be a demand.

@sarahalbers5555

Жыл бұрын

All valid points. I lived in FLA. for 30+ years. The weather can deteriorate very quickly. I am kinda surprised they went for the landing. But, thank God, there were no human causalities, the pets in the cargo, heartbreaking.

On approach, the Precision Approach Path Indicator (PAPI) lights were showing white, not green, which tells pilots they're too high. They are the simplest and most accurate altitude warning any pilot can get. And it's one of the first warning systems all pilots - in small planes or large - learn. Plus, the pilot was going 17 knots too fast. Plus, the right-hand engine thrust reverser wasn't working. Pilot error followed by company negligence are the main cause of this. Runway groovng is very good, but shouldn't be caled the #1 reason for the crash.

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

Simple go around could’ve saved the Plane for 10 more years of service

@riverwildcat1

Жыл бұрын

@@PInk77W1 Exactly. It’s amazing how durable airframes are.

How thoughtful of them to take their passengers straight to the beach.

@pilotrobroy

Жыл бұрын

That would have been a landing at Mayport....

@jermaineartis4323

Жыл бұрын

Fishing rods were placed under the seats of 13 D E & F for convenience.

Honestly expected for the pilots to be blamed completely, but im glad that the NTSB mentioned the fact that even without their mistakes the plane would have had the same fate.

@luuduonghy659

Жыл бұрын

NTSB however had fail to mention that “The disaster can be avoid if the pilot decide to divert to another airport”

@lastyhopper2792

Жыл бұрын

@@luuduonghy659 is it the procedure? That the pilot MUST divert to another airport if the destination airport is caught in bad weather?

@Blank00

Жыл бұрын

Funny thing was that initially, the media was blaming Boeing because this was months after ET302, even there was no evidence against Boeing for this case (the MAX flaws are red herring). This is why I've been defending Boeing and why I continue to do so.

@buskontention3872

Жыл бұрын

@@Blank00 Hurriedly developed and underhandedly deployed, hidden MCAS system relying on a single AOA sensor was totally fabricated by the media? Be a fanboy but not a blind one. Your heroes make mistakes too.

@Blank00

Жыл бұрын

@@buskontention3872 what was fabricated ny Twitter is that this 737-800 has those. However, those are only found on the MAX.

That wasn’t a crash, it was a very expensive landing. 🤪

@rishavsharma7466

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! But quite an experience for passengers to narrate. lol

The two greatest words you can read on this channel: “everybody survived.”

@johnd5398

Жыл бұрын

Except that they didn't. Passengers' pets were killed.

@sunnyfon9065

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the 3 pets in the cargo did not survive

What a beautiful job on the atmospheric conditions...it seemed so real! 👏 Awesome! And what a relief to see the words "everyone survived". I appreciated the fact that the pilots were shown mercy for their error and were not at fault for what happened.

@happycamper6352

Жыл бұрын

3 pets didn't survive.

Well done. Just a little note: At the minute 07:39 the aircraft is depicted to be BELOW the Glide Slope but not ABOVE as per the Glide Path İndicator on the PFD.

@geroa320

Жыл бұрын

The airspeed is not on target either.

@love2fly558

Жыл бұрын

And it’s the Jacksonville Approach Controllers, not Tower Controllers. Just details most viewers don’t care about.

I have been waiting to see if you would do a video on this incident! I was still working on the base and saw the plane in the river the next morning. Very thankful everyone survived and it was also neat to see them float the plane down the river! Great video!!

You have the best choice in music for any scenario you really know how to get people invested in these studies.

Just watching those wings just flexing up and down is just scary for me

@Rufus6540

Жыл бұрын

My brother was an aerospace engineer and Air Force pilot - in their darker moments his professors and instructors would remind them that "they were flying on a wing designed and built by the lowest bidder!" He also reminded me, though, that you want the wings to flex (as scary as it looks) otherwise they'd break more easily.

@UncleKennysPlace

Жыл бұрын

On large planes they flex several meters. No big deal.

@44R0Ndin

Жыл бұрын

You should go look up the wing load test for the 747 (it's on KZread). They designed the wings to be strong enough to survive 1.5 times more load than the expected worst case scenario. And then they cross-checked the design by doing out the math, which aligned with the design target of a safety factor of 1.5. During the actual test (a destructive test to failure), the wing held together until it reached 154% of maximum load, at which point it failed by buckling. 154% of maximum load when you designed in a 1.5x safety factor is what I'd call "hitting your targets" which is what good engineering is all about. If you don't understand what I'm saying, I'll simplify it. The thing they designed and built, failed at a load 4% greater than it needed to survive in order to be considered a good design. And since it's an airplane, if it had failed at something like 20% higher load than they had designed it to fail at, they didn't do their job right because their math is still wrong, even if it's wrong in a favorable direction, because they could have reduced the weight of the wing by making it weaker and it still would have hit the required strength. But at only 4% greater strength, that's probably within manufacturing tolerances, and so pursuing the shaving of a few grams here and there is not worth the risk that it might result in the wing not meeting its strength requirement. Oh yeah and when it was loaded to 150% of max load, the wing tip was something like 30 feet above where it would be if the wing was just hanging with no aerodynamic load like when the aircraft is on the ground.

@getit9066

Жыл бұрын

I'm not surprised, _Wesley._

@no-one-in-particular

Жыл бұрын

@@44R0Ndin 154% is not 4% greater than 150%

Thankfully all human life survived! But there were families PCSING at that time whom lost their pets who were in the cargo hold. All the pets (I believe there were 7 of them!) passed away.

@patrickcaradec6174

Жыл бұрын

Sad clarification 😢

@dianegreer2789

Жыл бұрын

😭

@luuduonghy659

Жыл бұрын

And the airlines image had been affect badly after this incident

@d36732

Жыл бұрын

i wanna go back in time and not read this 😭

@bertram_oredrock

Жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry to hear that. I don't recall any of the local news sources reporting it.

If I had a time machine I'd bet 50K that the plane WOULD have stopped in time if none of those mistakes were made. It only missed by like 150 feet.

@perniciouspete4986

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I'm blaming the captain.

This is basically me whenever I attempt to land anything in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

@uglybetty8747

Жыл бұрын

Relatable 😂

Wow! This is the best one yet! Not the incident but how well it was edited. You just keep getting better!

It feels weird to me that the pilots did not check the speed brakes considering they knew braking action on the wet runway would be bad and that their thrust reverser was inoperable. Wouldn't you double-check your remaining braking options in a situation like that?

I love what you're doing!!! I always wake up to your videos and I always watch them as soon as they come out. Good job!!

If you're nearing the end of the runway with water at the end and not really slowing down, YOU TURN OFF THE RUNWAY ONTO THE TAXIWAY OR GRASS, not the water. Even if you're still going 40 knots, it won't hurt to gradually turn off into the grass

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

I know this is crazy but I wonder if he could’ve started weaving back and forth down the runway To add more distance and more time To slow the plane ?

I just want to make sure I understand the NTSB's stance. Even if the pilots had done everything correct with regards to the air speed, touchdown placement, and speed brakes, they still would've ended up in the river due to the lack of runway grooving? Hydroplaning in a car is scary enough. I cannot imagine how terrifying it must be in an airplane.

@44R0Ndin

Жыл бұрын

You understand it correctly. This is why nearly all runways in commercial use that are concrete or asphalt are grooved, with the possible exception of those found in places like Arizona or New Mexico where it doesn't really rain all that much or that often, and so the extra expense of grooving the runway is unwarranted for those locations. However, not grooving a runway that's in Florida is nearly unthinkable. It's Florida for crying out loud, did they seriously expect it to not rain in Florida? I guess if they have the arresting gear it's one thing to not groove the runway, if all they ever land there are fighter jets. But it's another thing entirely when a 737 lines up on final. Then you need the runway to be grooved. So if they want to keep flying 737's into that airport, they better groove that runway. I don't frankly care where the money comes from. I don't care if they have to get E-3's on PT to scratch the grooves into the runway with E-tools. Just make it happen.

@44R0Ndin

Жыл бұрын

@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] Right, but my point is more focused on the fact that the 737 that crashed in this video did NOT have a tail hook and therefore can't trap. So the displaced threshold caused problems, and the lack of grooves on the runway became a factor. If the 737 had a tail hook, it still probably couldn't have used the arresting gear, because last I checked you can't safely stop a 737 with the same arresting gear designed to stop fighter jets (it won't apply enough force, or it'll rip the tail hook off the 737). So the solution isn't the tail hook. The solution is cutting the grooves into the runway that should have been there in the first place.

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

I doubt every 737 that has ever landed there in the rain crashed.

@44R0Ndin

Жыл бұрын

@@PInk77W1 Do we need more than one to crash to make it worth it to fix the problem? Do people need to die before we fix it the right way? Are you really that callous that you'd put the lives of others at risk due to inaction?

Flight Channel……thank you for another excellent video explanation . I believe I can say that I have seen the majority of your work now and I do keep up with the notifications of new videos. I think you do a magnificent job and an important one by notifying the public . I’d like to think this has the “ knock on “ effect of keeping all airlines , manufacturers , ground crew , maintenance , ATC etc etc - the whole aviation industry , “ on their toes” , to constantly improve their operating standards , levels of training and competence . Hopefully knowing full well that all errors, negligence , infractions and incompetence can and now will be exposed in a highly competent manner ? Thank you.

Well that's a hell of a start to transfer or leave. Funny how "military" changes a lot of the outcome. Runway grooving instead of "Shorter runway shouldn't have been used due to one reverse thruster being OOS. If I fly I want zero items on the OOS list.

It's shocking that any airport still has non-grooved runways.

I miss the music, but I still love these videos.

10:28 “ Everyone survived” but not the Captains career. At the airline I work for we would be sacked for continuing such an approach even if the airplane stopped on the runway.

RIP pets in the cargo hold :/

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

U think military flys with pets ?

Tiny little over rotation and a wee tail strike there on takeoff! Otherwise, excellent work as always! Sure as hell was an unstable approach.

@perniciouspete4986

Жыл бұрын

No, that was a rotating light flash.

Thank you for the audio of their interaction! It's a great addition!!!

I flew on the exact plane around 2 years before it crashed. Still got a few pics and the (empty) vomit bag I took as a souvenir. Crazy to think the same plane crashed just a couple years later…

My uncles best mates cousin was on this flight. I remember him telling me about this and how everyone clapped once they had all disembarked. Love you Corporal Jeffrey Marshall

Thankfully everyone survived when the plane finally came to rest. Usually, pilots are the ones who are blamed for almost all mishaps and crashes, which frequently happen when they are landing or in severe weather conditions.

Why did I thought the thumbnail was Ryanair 😭😭 If it was I would be going crazy 💀

@Viking88Power

Жыл бұрын

Same lol

The pilot error was mostly The failure of divert to another airport. Had that happen, the disaster could be avoid

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

Or a simple go around.

Don't remember hearing about this crash.....I guess a military mission might not always get much press...epsecially if no one got killed....

You should do a video on one the numerous V-22 Osprey crashes, the April 2000 one that killed 19 Marines would be a fitting one for this channel. I was an Avionics tech on the V-22 in MCAS New River and think more light should be shed on that death trap

This accident is pretty similar to TAM 3054, Brazil’s deadliest air crash. Disabled thrust reverser, ungrooved, wet and relatively short runway, leading to an overrun. The spoilers didn’t deploy on the TAM flight…what a difference that made 😔

@PInk77W1

Жыл бұрын

AA crashed one like this in Jamaica Runway overshoot

Must have been scary being at night - hopefully that jetty helped the passengers.

So glad when everyone survives. I'm surprised a little more weight wasn't placed on the speed brakes being set properly. Hopefully this didn't tarnish the careers of the two pilots, especially the captain. Thank you for another great presentation!

Great as usual! I wonder if the Capt remained a check pilot?? Seems he did a few things wrong.

That was close. Glad they all made it.

Once again, awesome work! Well done!

I chanced upon TFC only a few weeks ago. Have watched most of the back catalogue. Just cannot see me flying again!

@dethray1000

Жыл бұрын

the dont drive,ride in car,40,000 die this year in usa,2 hundred thousand major injuries

@iamadreamer7461

Жыл бұрын

see, i'm not the only, because of this channel i cannot climb on one anymore

maybe if both thrust reversers were operable would it have changed anything?

@soaringvulture

Жыл бұрын

I'm still pretty shocked that the plane was allowed to fly with only 1 operating thrust reverser, especially since they were going to land in the rain.

Why didnt the pilot turn left or right? I don't know it felt dangerous going into the water, and if they went any further it could have been worse.

You do good, when you get, straight into it, not before stuff. Respectfully. Thanks.

An experienced trainer was obviously lax about the speed brake.

Plane wanted to go for a swim so glad eveyone was ok🙏

When is there gonna be a video about the Yeti 691 flight crash?

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to see one of Trans American Flight 209.

@Dystopia1111

Жыл бұрын

@@Powerranger-le4up "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking!"

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully after the investigation is completed. I have not seen the results from the black boxes yet. Why are the French stalling?

Overall pretty good video, but two glaring errors. 1) At 7:35 the PFD is showing the airplane below the glideslope, not above. 2) During the landing sequence, the airplane is shown to land past the 3,000 foot markers, well beyond what is stated in the report.

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

You're keeping everyone honest.

Another WOW video, so glad that everyone survived

Even the plane had scraped, the hull was gladly still intact and everyone survived. :)

The lack of runway grooving is a serious issue under such weather condition and the plane should not have been cleared to land. It was risky even if the pilots did everything right.

I remember that the initial reactions to this incident involved pre-emptively blaming Boeing. Blaming Boeing that the crew chose to land on an unfit runway, blaming Boeing that hydroplaning is a thing, and even blaming Boeing that the airline put pets in the cargo hold. And when NTSB got all details, they couldn't find any evidence attributing this incident to Boeing. This is the start of why I've been defending Boeing, and why I'll continue to.

@angelorobel12

8 ай бұрын

I would do the same thing. It's still ridiculous that we read comments from those type of people who would make excuses not to fly on a Boeing passenger jet because those kinds of incidents even if those happen on an Airbus jet. Any type of plane no matter what manufacturer could get affected in those incidents.

GREAT content! I love this channel.

That's one of those "what went wrong?"... "Everything went wrong".

In 2:33 almost tailstrike lol!

@Rufus6540

Жыл бұрын

Kept waiting for the sparks animation to show!

@machintelligence

Жыл бұрын

The 737 typically has only a foot or so of tail clearance on rotation.

@deepthinker999

Жыл бұрын

@@machintelligence Wow, I did not know that. Not much room for error.

@machintelligence

Жыл бұрын

@@deepthinker999 They do have a tailstrike monitor that records the vibration caused by such an event. If it is activated the plane is checked for damage.

Can you make video on these 2 incidents 1: Japan Airlines 123 crash 2: Charki Dadri mid air collision

I only watch you, an Alex Joshua, I find you both, competent, on what you do. I dont fly, an those are the reasons. Not that I discourage that. That's just me. Keep up the good work, it's educational for me.

Waiting for ya on Rumble!

Thank you flightchannel.

Thank God, everyone survived, who cares about anything other that they can be reunited with their families.

I am glad that everyone survived for a change. It was stressful but the factor that everyone survived, is a great feeling.

the most important thing is everyone is ok!

why do i see b737s that crashed off the runway with the fuselage still not cracked in the pictures all had the nose section where the weather sensor was removed?

"I guess I'm buying the beers tonight, Captain."

Always a great video from you

Nice tail strike at take off 😂

@machintelligence

Жыл бұрын

Close, but no cigar.

@perniciouspete4986

Жыл бұрын

You saw a flashing light.

For real pilots that watch this channel, is that really the quality of audio between the plane and the tower?

@DavidMajorz

Жыл бұрын

Yes i have family members that are pilots and the quality is not always the same plus they all have certain terms and jargon that represents things we don't understand so it may sound muffled or static laden to us but they know what's going on!

I’m so glad everyone survived.

TheFlightChannel please make a video of what happens to philippines airlines 113 and this happens on November 21 2019 before that May 2019 crash

@UndercoverMZ

Жыл бұрын

I admire your persistence!

I remember this one. I was living in JAX when it happened.

Great job, thank you! ✈️🍾❤️

Thank you!

Could you please do te recent crash in nepal? (Yeti airlines flight 691)

I am really surprised that there aren’t more protected barriers around seawalls that are at the end of runways

@maxart3392

Жыл бұрын

If there were, the plane would hit them, break apart and some people would die. So it settled quite gently into the shallow water and remained pretty much intact.

I was a bit worried there that the plane was going to go all the way into the water and sink. Glad everyone survived

7:36 - isnt that backwards? if the plane was above the glide path - the diamond would be down in the brown?

Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing 😉

Thank god that everyone survived

Runway 10, uh…Runway 10, uh…Runway 10, uh…Runway 10, uh…Runway 10, uh… Good Lord I would lose my mind with that ATC.

Brilliant production! Well done…

Great video! Thanks.

Could you do a simulation of the crash landing of Trans American Flight 209 when a military pilot named Ted Stryker was forced to take the controls?

@sunflower30stm

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂…. Surely you can’t be serious

@Forest_Fifer

Жыл бұрын

@@sunflower30stm he was serious, and don't call him Shirley.

@lunayoshi

Жыл бұрын

I'm under the impression this channel is not made by Americans so I'm not sure they'd get the reference (judging by some awkward English in early videos). To the uninitiated: this is a joke about a movie called "Airplane" where a pilot had to take control of a commercial aircraft and hilarity ensued. Watch it. It's pretty good, though some of the humor is outdated. It'd make for a really great April Fool's episode. Fascinating Horror did one about Jurassic Park last year.

@capacitatedflux

Жыл бұрын

Picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

@@sunflower30stm I am serious. And don’t call me Shirley.

Nicely done on this vid!

King content.

I called this airline Miami Scare.flew it chartered many times. Scary

There was taken to much drama about the weather!!! Everyone can fly in Calm!

Poor plane. Gets scrapped after what retroactively became its last flight just to no faults of it's (or its crew's) own.

Godbless the pilots for saving lives with their efforts🙏

With the heavy rain they get there, why would any runway in Florida not have a grooved surface?

i got the butt-puckers on a USN contract flight with Hawaiian Airlines, from Riyadh Saudi Royal Naval Air Station to Maryland somewhere--hydroplaning, them giving the reverse thrusters everything they could. like riding a mad washing machine. good vid! bunch of USAF guys in the terminal looking at us like we were the walking dead. good vid!

Nice video but can you do the nepal crash that happened recently

@las2665

Жыл бұрын

I think there is not enough information because the accident is not even 2 weeks old.