I have been reloading for 30 years and have loaded and shot everything from Golden age flintlocks to everything in between and still do. Your comprehensive detailed information and smooth delivery is very entertaining and useful. Thanks Johnny!

Great video as usual sir, and thank you for all your efforts to bring us pure reloading information>.

Awesome video man! Love these reloading/testing videos! Interesting and full of great info. Keep 'em coming, thanks!

Thank you for making these videos. You’re reloading videos have helped me so much man. I set up my press and everything last night. Stayed up all night tinkering with everything. Thanks again for the videos. The quality of your videos is unparalleled in the reloading KZread video space. I feel like after having watched several hours of your channel I will be able to safely load a round without disaster lol.

You are my favorite you tube reloading channel. I love how you go into detail on things. You are helping me understand the how and why people do what they do in their reloading process. I'm very experienced with pistol and I'm pretty good with rifle but you can always learn more. I love the way you lay things(your format) out keep up the good work sir and I will keep watching.

Just check the individual bullet weights on a accurate scale and you'll see the standard deviation existing in each box. Quality control has certainly gotten much better recently with many manufacturers but especially bulk packs seem to vary a lot in individual bullet weights. I'll bet you the bullet weight variation of sometimes 0.4 grains has more of an impact on groups and barrel harmonics than your 0.3 grains of powder increase. Sorting and grouping the individual bullets of the same box by more exact weight certainly helped me to reduce flyers. Keep up the good work, excellent channel.

That's what we used to call a "line clearance" in manufacturing. People thought we were being too picky until they started mixing up parts and they had to "participate" in a global recall. One product on the line at a time.

Thanks for the help man. I just started reloading and measured out Varget and said to myself how am I going to fit all that powder in that case. But I used 26gr like you suggested and it fit fine without a crunch. Thank you!

Loving all of the videos!!!...That being said I'd really like to see you foul out the barrel, say 10-30 rounds, whatever it takes to equal out the pressures in your barrel before the load tests. The first loads just didn't have an equal opportunity to shine!!!... I'd like to see this exact video again with a fouled barrel. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK!!

I've been watching your vids in sequence and had noticed that your brass was ejecting at about 2 o'clock and had intended to ask if that was a necessary gas setting due to the can...and you brought it up in this one 😃!

Your raising my interest in the 5.56 round. I have never been too thrilled about it. I'm a 30 Cal man. I have had them on n the past but you know how it is Firearms come and go. Only a few stay with me. Thanks for the great series.

@dufus2273

6 жыл бұрын

me too, Use mostly IMR 4064 for 270 & '06 and 30-30.

I struggled with hornady 55gr fmjts in my 20" 1-9 heavy barrel. Multiple powders. At least 5 including varget. I had 3/4 of a jug of IMR4895 id bought to try in one of my 308's. Best groups prior were just over 1 moa with varget which i found disappointing. I tried the 4895 and was shocked! .6-.8 moa. Definitely came into it near the top of the charge range. So much so that im thinking adjustable gas block as my shells are bouncing off my deflector and landing at 1:30-2:00. Thats if i can find one for a .936" barrel.

The Lyman manuel clams Varget as the most accurate powder for the 55gr (at least in their barrel). I'm going to have a little shootout between Varget and 3031 on my own here to see works best with my setup. As always, thanks for the guidance.

getting good pointers here. new to 223. been reloading 40 years. this 223 is a little different. especially case prep. everything is smaller. more specialty tools needed. so many bullet/powder combinations. thanks

Area419 powder funnel set $124 but will have no spilling of powder and all aluminum. Heads are caliber specific 22,30,6mm etc

Don’t use SS pins in wet tumbling. Just Dawn & lemi shine and dry for 30 min in walnut shell vibratory polisher. Nice & shiny. Wet Tumble for 60-90 min. I also use walnut shell reptile bedding (cheaper and finer grind) no issues with flash holes.

@justinknight9152

5 жыл бұрын

I usually just use dawn for 2 hours then dry off with rag and throw them in the oven at 225 for 20 mins... lol im cheap.

I'm loading with 55gr CamPro bullets, I'm getting the best results from Varget and CFE223 at there top loads. Federal brass seems to have the same case capacity as the Starline brass, when I load 27.5 gr it's falling out the top and hard to get a projectile to stay in the case mouth. Thanks for another great video.

One tip for you on cases. I have an indoor local shooting range that sells 500 PRE-tumbled once fired .223/5.56 brass for $24.95 & they are professionally tumbled & very shiny. All I have to do is full length size/decap & toss into the sink for a few minutes to get the lube off & then straight to primer & powder. This cuts my case prep down dramatically.

I am excited to see the RMR bullets, I just purchased 1k of those for like 72 bucks because they had a good sale going.

as usual johnny, nice video !

Two comments: This is totally conjecture, but I have bought a ton of Midway bullets and it seems to me that they buy in ultra-bulk - God only knows what that means exactly- then they rebox into those blue boxes for the numbers they sell. My guess is that this, if anything, means that there maybe more consistency within a given lot of bullets which is what I found when I classified them by weight. The other comment is with reference to RMR projectiles: I have come very close to buying a big bunch of their bullets on several occasions, but I know nothing about their products and I've never seen a review on them in the wild. So, thank you sir for choosing them to try out. I can't wait to hear what your impression is on first inspection and the same with their actual performance.

Dude I was just thinking of commenting on that funnel when you were talking about chasing the overall length. I saw that video to and thought about ordering one for IMR 4166 that I load compressed. How about trying it with IMR 4166. It's been a good accurate powder for me. Awesome videos man, keep them coming.

These are my favorite .224 bullets. I just haven't been able to try Varget or IMR3031 yet. Gonna get some this week, though, and go for it.

Nice video man. I've been thinking about picking up 1000 of these Bob's just to plink around with. I wonder though if it might be worthwhile to do what we call in the tech world "binning". Where you go through your box and weigh out the bullets and put like groups to like groups and see what consistency is after that. I'm sure there is some deviation in bullet weight in a group of 1000 of those guys. They have got to be mass produced somewhere, and if they are then there is room for error.

I would love to see the same powder and bullets tested but go down in charge weights to see if there is a shift in accuracy in that direction. Seems some of your other videos showed some promise with lower charge weights and less than butt naked speeds. 👍🏻😁 keep up the awesome vids. I look forward to every one!

One of these day's your going to nail one of them bug's big time!just waiting for that....Love Varget and 55 grain price's!. I have a Windham Weaponry 16 inch heavy barrel 1/9 twist not what I call a tack driver....I will upgrade when I can..just trying to find how heavy I can go with what I have, any answer's would be greatly appreciated if you can???...

This video , when compared to another of your Bob's .223 55gr Bullet test using H335 and Varget shows just how much even Case Brand makes a difference . On that video the Bob's .223 55gr Bullet shot a .58 inch group with 26 gr of Varget using an OAL of 2.260 and a .78 inch group with an OAL of 2.235. And that folks is what makes our hobby so much fun. The amount of testing and combinations are limitless.......which means MORE SHOOTING !!!

Great Video, You deserve more than 14k subs. Also if you ever started doing 6.5CM reloading videos, I would be stoked.

I’ve found SS diagonal tumbling media makes it so much easier when tumbling. does the same job as the SS pins but does not get stuck in the flash holes or inside the case.

BL-C(2) is my preferred powder. Right now I'm trying 748 for the first time

@joe-lf2dv

3 жыл бұрын

Let us know how it goes. How is accuracy and speed in BLC 2?

@Mav8887.

3 жыл бұрын

@@joe-lf2dv it's excellent! The best powder I've tried so far especially with 55gr - 69gr

Have you considered using a Frankford Arsenal 6-inch dump tube for heavy charges?

Looking forward to seeing how the RMR do against the hornady, I have the same bulk pack hornady from Midway and he bobs I might run some of my own tests and share them with you.

@JohnnysReloadingBench

6 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to the RMR as well. With all those versions over there, you'd think they've been refining things so hopefully this version 2 is a shooter! I'd definitely be interested in your Bobs/Hdy results if you get time to shoot those.

55gr hornadys with 26gr of Varget are my go to and its cool to see them work just as well in someone else's barrel. The only difference is i seat them at 2.200. Pretty funny that these super cheap bullets out perform the match grade components you've used in the past lol

@Morphz_Unlimited

6 жыл бұрын

My loads are similar to yours except I use 26.8 grains of Varget. That is the sweet spot for me.

JRB also keep in mind that Hodgdon data shows that Winchester commercial brass was used it looks like Starline brass may be a copy of 556 brass

Speaking from experience (from a different industry) "private label" products, like Hornady bullets made for and labeled as Midway, are typically not made to the same inspection tolerance. Also, they don't always get the benefit of the minor process engineering tweaks of the innovator's branded product. As a result, there will be performance differences, typically in the area of reproducible performance or durability. That doesn't make them "factory seconds though because they will perform to the private label partner's specification.

Hornady 55 is my go to for 223. Always get tight groups with H335

@yissnakklives8866

6 жыл бұрын

tallyman15 its been my experience that Hornady bullets are very consistent in length and diameter when compared to most other bullets at around the same price point

Wonder what is the BC. For bobs bullet 55 grain Is bobs bulk 55 grain also a boat tail ? Thanks

Do you ever check bullet run out? I had a lee Enfield 303 I had cut my teeth on hand loading for. Started off with a "Lee Loader" and finished with stuff like a Foster bench rest seating die. I got the run out as low as possible, forgot the number but finished with 10 shot groups in .27 centers.

which Lee reloading shell holder is the correct one for 6.5 creedmoor? there are several 6.5s listed but no creedmoor, is it equal to another case?

What do you recommend for 5 56 load data for 55gr projectile load with Varget.

Funny I found this video the day after I loaded up 200 Speer Nickle plated cases with 27 gr. of Varget and the ever popular 55 gr. Hornaday FMJ. In MY cases 27 gr. filled them level full at the top of the case. Right on the can of Varget it gives a max load of 27.5 but with my cases anyway it's not possible to get that extra half a grain in them. Varget reminds me of loading with black powder, just fill er up and stuff a bullet into it. Haven't tried them in either of my AR'S but they shoot really good out of my Model 7 Remington with high dollar Leopold Scope graduated for .223. As you increased the powder charges it got better but when you started shooting I had to wonder if you were lubricating that AR of yours with diesel fuel. Looked like you were burning black powder in it with all the smoke.

Didn’t the Bobs bullet shoot a better pattern with the H335, CCI 41 primers, 21.5 gains to 22.5 grains? I recall them doing much better than that grouping in one of your previous videos.

How do you get them that short? I trim my cases to 1.750 and the canalier is right at the case mouth at 2.250.

Hoping you see this...am wondering what those black boxes are that you keep your bullets in and where to get them

Seeing as this videos 3 years old I imagine you've tried the southern shine media? never have to worry about it getting stuck in the cases

Try loading the Midway Dogtown brand 55 grain HP using Trailboss for a subsonic round.

Why do some of these groups have such low SD's but such large sizes?

Can't believe that you loaded the case that knowingly had a pin stuck in it? Hopefully if so you marked it for reference to see what the effects are.

I would like to see a shoot off from all the bulk 55gr you have.... Say all loaded at 26gr Varget and see how they do.

Can you make a video of your build.

Any thoughts on loading these at 2.230 overall length? I ran some tests on a rifle and had excellent grouping at this seating depth /w 27.0gr of CFE223. Is it pushing too far for that small bullet though? Crimping them and they seem solid.

I’m sure you have a video on loading ss109 over H335?!

My load for AR15 with 16" barrel 1/9 twist 25.0 gr varget Hornady 55gr FMJBT. I get very decent groups on paper and good success on game. I think it comes to what satisfys your need.

JRB since you have two bullets that have their cannelure in two different place’s on the bullet. Iam surprised that you didn’t do the CBTO measurement., for both bullets.That in itself could have totally different outcome With the grouping

Use 3mm s/steel balls while wet tumbling. Nothing has more surface area than a sphere, and they don't get stuck. Cleans brass in about 20 min with some concentrate detergent and an pinch of citric acid.

when wet tumbling. I like to run a magnet over the brass while their drying. even if it has 1 piece inside the case. a decent strength magnet will pick it up no problem.

@DE20brent06

6 жыл бұрын

Rifles First idk if all of them are different. however mine are frankford arsenal and 1 other company. both are magnetic.

Like to know what barrel twist he has

Do you have some reloading done with hornady 55gr hp . I can t seem to find any reloding data even in the hornady 11th edition manual.

You see the problem with “universal fit” stuff is it fits nothing and everything at the same time.

honest, i get 1/2" groups out of three different ar's with 20.7grs H4198 and no supressor-using bulk hornady 55gr sp from midway.mostly around 3/4" but figure that's because the soft points are all slightly deformed, you should try that!

Midway buys seconds from Hornady and other manufacturers that’s where they get there bulk pacs

Thanks Johnny, enjoy all you videos. Tried going to patreon, the link you supplied, but nothing happens. It tries to load but never does. Could it be my computer or????. Again thanks

@JohnnysReloadingBench

6 жыл бұрын

I notice their site being very slow occasionally. Try this link www.patreon.com/reloading Thanks for the interest!

@philr101

6 жыл бұрын

Tried again and still can't get there??? I wonder if others are having the same problem??

@AgileK9TopDog

6 жыл бұрын

Just checked the link and it took me right there.

"I need to upgrade my funnel game... long pause..." And that's what she said.

Anyone have any experiance with 53 grain Vmax and CFE223? I'm new.... will be my first rifle load.

@niclasedelsten6428

6 жыл бұрын

Hi. I loading hornady 53gr V-max. Im also in the beginning of reloading. I use Norma brass, Norma 200 Powder, CCI 400 SR caps. As today 17th march. I shoot a load ladder and The best group Was tiny less then 0.4"(10mm) 3 shoot. @ 110y (100m) 22.6gr Powder. 2.283 (58mm) COL. V0: avg 2865fps-955m/s And a light crimp from The seating die

I use the 55 gr vmax and verget power in a savage model 12 with 1in 7twist this is a bull barrel very good combo

Do you think .223 and 5.56 are completely the same round or no?? Is there powder differences for both of them?

In order to get good accuracy you need a rifle barrel that is free floating and is stress relived,,,this way you might get rid of the fliers as the barrel heats up. It seem to be a problem with AR that prints two groups out of a 5 round string.

Do you have any tested data for the hornady 55gr sp with cannelure and varget?

@Mingebagz1

5 жыл бұрын

I'm playing with it right now at 24 gr, if I have any spectacular results I'll let you know. Mind you I'm using a pencil profile and open sights.

Check out Southern Shine Tumblers on Facebook. They are selling some stainless steel chips for tumbling. The only issue I have is there a few carbon steel chips mixed in that they say will eventually rust away so cannot leave the media in the water. I ordered some and it seemed to work well but did get a little rust. Would like to know what you think.

@JohnnysReloadingBench

6 жыл бұрын

You're the third person to mention them in the last few weeks! I will have to give them a shot. Thanks!

Thankyou

Hi. Have you tried a heavier bullet? 65-70gr maybe. Some Guns just dont like The bullets you put trough them. And your rifle dont like bob`s bullets. At least 55gr fmj. I shoot factory Fiocchi 55gr fmj 223rem. Spread aprox 2" not good enough for me. Black Hills 50gr V-max .5" @110y Loading now 53gr V-max hornady Best group .4" @110y weatherby vanguard synthetic S2 223 rem 1/9 twist 24" barrel

Totally Love what you do. All your vids are great. But i always wonder, why are your groups so off the bullseye. You’ve got a great scope, don’t remember if you mentioned your rifle, but something is off, can it be you ? Are you taking your time ? Anyways, keep up the great work. I’d give you 3 thumbs up, but only got 2. Thanks.

@Alan.livingston

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to resurrect a long dead comment but when you are shooting for groups rather than points it doesn’t matter where they land, as long as they are close together. Using all those different loads the point of aim is going to wander every which way.

How do you feel comfortable loading these so hot. I've seen where it says max listed is 23.5gr of h335. I know you're using varget but 27gr is a lot of powder.

@yolo-qr2fq

4 жыл бұрын

He just looks for pressure signs. He does what's comfortable for him and his gun.

Hey John. I’ve been using CFE 223 (24 gn) for over a year in my AR with consistently tight groups (3/4”) at 100 yards. I’ve also used BL(C)-2 (24 gn) with groups 3/4 - 1” at 100 yds.

Man, the benefits I see from my Forster drop tube for 223 are negligible. What works best for me is to use a cheap, old electric toothbrush to vibrate along the body of the case. And really, I kinda just stopped caring about the crunch. It doesn’t seem to effect accuracy either way. But the Forster drop tube also has a little shelf where the tube screws to the funnel, which sucks for ball powders b/c it catches on that. And the fluted end tends to wedge on my 223 brass, so I’ve gotta be careful not to get it stuck on there. It’s only ~$10, but you know, shht adds up.

Will you please move your zero on your scope lol, my ocd is going crazy your always shoot too the right of dead center.

I stopped using my F.A.R.T pins and went back to my Guntap .047*.255 pins and they work much better for me. also you should look into the Xtreme Hardcore powder funnels, they are pure funnel porn. The .224 one sits on the case mouth perfectly and is a joy to use.

@jwait62

6 жыл бұрын

Your last Video with bobs and varget With 2.260 length shoot better then this video.

Try some Benchmark, that's like a smaller extruded version of Varget, it meters better. That being said I also have Varget but mostly use that for my bigger calibers with more case capacity.

CRUNCHY loads. Looked up in my LAYMAN book and could not locate??? LOL just kidding. Thanks for the ongoing eduication.

H&R ultra varmint 223 with 27.5gr varget 50gr sierra blitzing. Lot of yotes have have fallen to this combo.

Tell you what Bob. To confirm inaccuracy I sugges you way all your rifle casings and weigh all your projectiles this way you ll be able to idetify inconsistent projectiles and casings , try it since the powder loads are controllable.... primer constancy cannot be evaluated, in a few words verify the constancy of all the components you purchase dimensions and weight.

"...laying powder" is that anything like laying pipe?

Try 22.8 grains 55 FMJ.

Rmr are great bullets for the money good value

Try Area 419 funnel

Wow! I don't remember Varget being that smokey, but it looked like it was only on the 25.0gr. Must have been a funny breeze.

@JohnnysReloadingBench

6 жыл бұрын

Two things caused that. First, the sun was shining just right to make the cloud look enormous. Also, I think I had a decent amount of lube in my gas tube. I was spraying CLP all over the place trying to get that adjustable gas block to free up. So I think a decent amount of the smoke was from crazy excess lube. I laughed my butt off when I first saw the footage! That cloud was insane!

@AgileK9TopDog

6 жыл бұрын

Johnny's Reloading Bench roger that

Try Lapua

Johnny, I don't know why you fool around with Hornady? Sierra bullet accuracy Beats them hands down...I could never get any serious accuracy out of Hornady..Also look at Berger

I bought the same bullets from Midway, mine sucked too. It's the bullet weights. They are all over the place. Had the same problem with a bulk pack of 30 cal fmj's. Garbage

Who's watching this in 2021 while also preparing for the worst?

Get saturn funnels. Best!!

Bobs shoot better with varget and 2.260 length on your last varget and Bobs video

souther shine chips,,,, throw those pins away....;.

TAC

Check the length of the bullets. I find the weight to be the same but not the length.

@JeffMOA

6 жыл бұрын

Ron K What I found to help the most for me with bob's bullets was to sort by bullet ogive and to seat by the ogive length. Sorting by bullet weight made no difference as the weight's were by all rights spot on. The bullet lengths do vary quite and also the shapes of the bullets before the ogive so I don't sort by lengths. The best thing you can do is sort and seat by ogive. By doing so you are matching the pressure curves as closely as possible. For me it removed any flyers that I did have when I first bought these bullets almost 2700 rounds ago lol. Now all of my shot groups are 1/2 MOA or smaller. Of course all guns are different and some guns just do not like certain bullets/powders and sometimes switching to a cooler primer/hotter primer can change things sometimes.

Weigh your bullets and take diameter measurement before you reload

I think the rifle just isn’t very good.