Is it true when calculating weight loss, BMW included the purchaser’s wallet?

@BigRockMoto

2 ай бұрын

Yes

@John-cz2pe

2 ай бұрын

😂

@rsan1704

2 ай бұрын

That my friend is too good.

@max30888

2 ай бұрын

They remind me of Harley Davidson bikes ridiculously expensive for nothing

@verlinswarey507

2 ай бұрын

😂👍

I moved down from a 1250 GSA (my third GS) to a Multi V2S, never regretted it, it’s the sound, the looks and the whole riding/ownership experience. Next time it’s another Ducati, ideally a Multi V4S GT, it’ll be cheaper than a GS by the time I buy one. A standard V4S with radar is £2000 cheaper after dealer discounts and looks so much better.

@lasse9706

2 ай бұрын

Really depends on where you are. In Denmark, the Multi 4S GT (~57.000 EUR, yes you read that correctly) is still more expensive than the fully specced Beemer (~54.500 EUR). Then again, bike prices here are absolutely insane.

What i love about the 1300 gs is the fact that there is now a glut of 1250's as all the fan boys rush to upgrade. So my advice grab a fully specced 1250 for half price.

@setalias

14 күн бұрын

Happy for you. The fanboys are also happy for you as they enjoy their new 1300s

I have bought a 2023 tiger 1200 gt pro 2 weeks ago. Never been a fan of the boxer engine. Love me some triple though :D

@thierryfaquet7405

2 ай бұрын

IMO there's no bad choice between the "big 3" R1300GS, Tiger 1200 or Panam. Great bikes with their own flavor. I would certainly go triumph too if I had the money.

@matthewbatki

2 ай бұрын

Don't blame you😂

@flippy66

2 ай бұрын

The only bike possibly more boring than a GS 🤣

@Tigerric3

2 ай бұрын

well for me it's a huge upgrade in fun over my Versys 1000. a triple isn't boring at all in my opinion and for sure not this one, it feels quite like my Indian FTR's V-twin in low revs while keeping the comfort of the kawasaki

@karstenlund8956

21 күн бұрын

I´d go for Triumph over beemer any day

Test rode the GS1300 and the Triumph GT Pro 1200 and even though I like the front suspension of the BMW, I found that the Triumph was a little more fun to ride.

I tested the Trophy version of this bike. It's a good motorcycle. I currently ride a 2022 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. The BMW is more comfortable--seating, the reach to the handlebars, the position of the footpegs, and the wind protection are all superior to my Tiger. Low-speed U-turns feel less perilous than the Tiger, which feels taller and more top-heavy. The Tiger wins on the feel of the engine and drivetrain, though, and it feels more stable off-road due to the 21-inch front wheel. The BMW's boxer twin and quick shifter feel agricultural compared to the Tiger. If I was going on a long road trip, with 90% on pavement and only 10% on dirt, the BMW would be a better choice. If I was going to spend more than 25% of my time standing on dirt , I'd pick the Tiger. But, given the price difference, I find it hard to assess that the BMW is worth the difference. The Tiger is good enough on long trips, better on dirt and technical terrain, and a lot cheaper. Hard for me to say that one is "better" than the other--just depends on what you intend to do with the machine.

Went for a "tick every single option" GS Tramuntana. Yes it cost a ton of money, but when I look back at what I've spent on cars and bikes over the years, I've never regretted a single purchase......although I have regretted a few sales !

@MrFlowerfred

2 ай бұрын

I could have written that comment. Exactly the same here.

Love it I have been on the configurator to find my ideal ride - Forged Alloys, street tires, headlight pro, centre stand, electric screen, Brembo sport brake, shift assist pro, riding mode pro, nav. prep, smartphone cradle, power socket, tank bag, rear bag, riding assistant and adaptive height control. A couple of things included in packages as well... in white. Not since my '93 R1100RS, ridden 3 years, have I considered another BMW...

Got the Gs1300 2 weeks ago. It’s an easy alrounder wich has got finally sporty. Until now it’s difficult to find negative points. Mayby the shifter is a bit rough, and the adventure tires à bit loud. All the rest just perfect for at least of 98% of the riders. Some other bikes 4 one or the other spec. But in average, so for most riders, a swiss knife! For me it’s like an Audi RSQ8. If you can afford it, go and get it! KR

Tiger 1200 2024 & Africa Twin 2024 are the best looking bikes. Tiger has a added advantage of being a shaft drive.

African twin is the best looking large adventure bike for mid size it is the desert x

@GCTO239

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@nicomonkeyboy

2 ай бұрын

Hey! Are you me?

@IanTed

2 ай бұрын

I love my Multi V2S, gets a lot more attention than any of my three GSs..

@andreashain8942

2 ай бұрын

But Not so sporty!

@flippy66

2 ай бұрын

@@andreashain8942 The AT sport is more sporty.

Most likely my next bike… Fed up with the lack of reliability of my KTM… I just want to get rid of that junk. I want a shaft drive. Tested the Triumph and the vibrations are strong and the weight is position quite high. As I have to perform a lot of manœuvres in my courtyard or in the office parking, GS is the best pick for me.

@martythompson6509

2 ай бұрын

If improved reliability is your aim, you're looking at the wrong badge. I've owned two. Got mates with them. They all had/have issues. They ride amazing. But reliable they aren't.

@Karuksan

2 ай бұрын

After KTM I would consider Multistrada. GS might be too boring, and the V4 is really punchy and with reliablility it is the only one with 4years warranty. In my opinion Rally version is the one to go (or PP) but the price tag is really high.

@Sabale-dw5fd

2 ай бұрын

Have a Ktm sar 1290 since 2018 never had issues and did a lot off-roading wit this bike .. the problem with the gs if you drop it it falls apart

The Africa Twin Adventure Sports, with an unique option like DCT and Apple Carplay integrated as standard is clearly in a league of its own 😊

@simonbowen6653

2 ай бұрын

Apparently if you haven't got 150+bhp you don't count.

@mengaw-yong2490

2 ай бұрын

Any use 150 Bhp in uk without picking up points absolutely right about CarPlay now that I have chigee it’s awesome bmw Ducati stop being stubborn and adopt CarPlay

@perryburns6515

2 ай бұрын

DCT! Come on man, who wants a massive scooter to get around on!? Where's the emotive side to that?

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

@@perryburns6515- DCT is a manual clutch bike that happens to have a computer that shifts better than you ever will. Corvettes and many other performance cars have DCT transmissions.

@AT2021Rocker

2 ай бұрын

Love my ATAS! Far more capable off road than the other large adv bikes. Always found the GSA’s BIG!

Super review. Best comparison so far. Now do one with the GS v the others you mention.

I have a 2022 1250 40th Anniversary Edition - That looks the best with the gold wheels. My buddy just picked up a Trophy 1300 GS with Premium that looks good too

The "adventure" segment is so broad it really depends on what type of riding you do. There are so many great options. But for long distance all road touring the GS is king.

@alexandercoll4863

2 ай бұрын

Gold wing has entered the chat

I’ve just bought this model with all the options and I absolutely love it, just ticks all the boxes

Grate review 👍, but still waiting a review for the 2024 Honda africa twin Adventure sport DCT please 🙏. Thank you a lot for your efforts

For long distance touring, I always prefer shaft drive, and too many friends have to much trouble with there triumphs, so BMW wins

Good vid. been on some of others I pretty much know what to expect. Like my GS's since 1982.

Like the new look, weight reduction, massaged drivetrain, features. But...what always turns me away is counting on a BMW - any BMW - to work all the time instead of being in the shop or inoperable on the side of the road. And whenever BMW adds features, especially electronics, it only piles on the angst because something WILL go wrong, and probably just after warranty and in some remote location (just look at ANY owner forum). I looked hard at a slew of bikes in the category and settled on (now, hear me out) a Super Tenere 1200, which is quietly back in their '24 lineup. Why? I rode it, really like how it felt/went/acted, and know FOR SURE it will NOT strand me or force me to know all about my mechanic's kid's progress in math class - not to mention it was a great deal. After an ECU flash and some travel-related mods, I'm not at all inclined to look back. Nice update with the GS, though.

I just changed my Africa Twin for a new ‘23 Tiger 1200RP. I tried the 1300GS but just cant get on with the gearbox. The new one has improved but is nowhere as good as the Triumph’s, not to mention the quick shifter and engine sound. With the deal on offer it was also £6k cheaper than the GS!

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that you get vibes and heat on the Triumph. Love the shaft final drive and sound though.

I m glad that there are variations choices for all - parallel twin L2 , boxer v4. Each to their own choices I would be happy with triumph bmw Ducati Honda (Suzuki hasn’t quite got there for me )

Comparison with the V4 Multi Rally. That’s what I’m waiting for.

A good, honest review...cheers. The GS1300, like it's predecessors, is an excellent adventure bike, and by 'adventure' I mean road adventures (touring etc) and not running off-road - no-one uses them off-road, and they're too heavy and expensive for that anyway! In terms of is the beemer the best; well, the Ducati is the best looking, I think a lot will agree with that; the Multi is also arguably the fastest and quickest through the twisties. The Tiger 1200 is a solid all-rounder with an engine that will make you sing...it also pulls like a train and handles very well...all that top-heaviness from previous gen Tigers has gone. I did 6500 miles on my "23 Tiger 1200 last year, including northern Italy and Normandy, and the bike was truly comfortable for all day riding while still being good for 'scratching' when required. So I don't know...which is best...I think it's like asking people what their favourite song is, 'it depends' would be my answer, and for me, money no blocker, it would be the Multi V4, followed by the Tiger...GS would be 3rd or 4th (not sure between it and the KTM)

Obviously it has to be the best out there. The gs just gets better every time it gets reincarnated imo. I bought a 1200 back in 2004, and I loved that bike. This new 1300 is just amazing

@GS_Trophy

Ай бұрын

Ya it is! I love mine. I have no desire for any other bike since i bought my 1300gs

Fully agree with this review, I’ve just dipped my toe in with the 2018 rallye 1200 GS ahead of a 2k ride in May and I know I e swapped excitement for comfort…the plan will be to swap the 1200 for a 1300 when I can do it for minimal cost to swap…in maybe three to four years.

I ride a '05 BMW R 1200 GS... and this 1300 is the first newer bike, that I would buy.... it is so beautiful, slick, sexy and powerfull..... wow. I love it.

the 1250 gs adventure is still the long-haul king but the 1300 looks fun

thank you for the video, well done, how do you find the quad lock mount on the center of the handlebar in terms of visibility/angle for navigation? thanks

I rode the 1300 last week and it is an amazing bike! Very expensive, of course! It would be the perfect travelling bike for the great distances here in Australia!

Closer to a sport tourer than an ADV bike.

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

I define an Adventure bike as being able to go anywhere a Subaru can go. This bike, and any other of the bikes on Motobobs list can easily do this. You want more - get a dual sport.

@flippy66

2 ай бұрын

What do you think an ADV bike is? Do you actually mean dualsport or even motocross?

@Easyrecliner

2 ай бұрын

@@razorwired130Concur! That is why I have a GS for ADV and a KTM 690 Enduro for the shorter ride to the harsh terrain areas.

I am considering buying a cardo comms unit and was looking to use your discount code but it links to the US site? Do they not have a UK site I can use instead?

Multistrada V4S GT is gorgeous

The R1300GS is a very nice looking bike, I do prefer this to the 1250

1290 SAR owner, test rode this bike last month or so , better than the old bike for sure, feels more than 14kg claimed but no yet delivers level of fun that my 1290 does , not for me yet.

had a test ride but does nothing for me,ok if your ready for a pipe and slippers but my v4 multi puts a big BIG smile on my face everytime i go out!

Own a GSWC 1200, my second GS since 2004. Hard to think theres a better bike. Only wish I had the cash to try the Triumph and the others mentioned.

So where's the support for Android Auto / Apple Carplay? What about a DCT?

I think most companies should stop calling that these bikes are designed for Off road.. Those who can afford such bike are middle age people with extra cash in their banks or use this expensive bike on off-road...! So instead of giving over engineered off road tech they should give more road comfort tech and reduce the price so more people can afford it... Most of the anyway use tarmac for these bikes most of the time

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

Name a single thing that they could add to this bike to give more road comfort. Name something they missed from a technology standpoint. Having said that there are much better value bikes out there - the Africa Twin Adventure for one

Hello! I'm from Brazil and I'm looking for a replacement for my Triumph Tiger 900. The Tiger 1200, the Ducati Multistrada V4S and the new BMW 1300 are available on the Brazilian market. I'm impressed with Ducati, even though I haven't ridden the new BMW yet. I think it will be a difficult choice...

Right now my budget tells my to pick one of the last R 1200GS, cause its wot I got. It works very well for wot I do. Odds are if and when I update it will be to a newer GS. I do like the Pan America just not quite enough to risk buying one. The big question for me. Can the new 1300GS get to Eagle Plains or Deadhorse on a tank of gas? Its a ride I plan to do again. My 1200 used 19.5 ltr and just made it. A Tiger 1200 can do it. I don't want the extra weight of a GSA.

Until I see the Adventure version of this bike the Africa Twin Adventure Sport DCT ES is the current leader on my list. Cost isn’t a factor but value is. The ATAS has better value - IMO.

R1150GS (Adventure) is the real big daddy….old school GS as it should be 🫡

In terms of looks, I still prefer my 2015 Yamaha XT1200ZE . Unfortunately it is no longer sold in Europe. For me it is still the ideal long-distance motorcycle. No overloaded technology and, so far, unbeatable in terms of reliability. I like your work. Wish you a great 2024 season and always a safe return home. ✌

There is going to be a lot of low mile 1250 GS at the showroom. If I didn't already have one. I would just get one of those. Be happy with it and save a little bit of money.😅

I think the GS has always been just that, maybe not the best at any 1 very specific thing, but the best at everything else. Kinda makes me think of the Tiger 900 in the middleweight, I think also not the best in specific areas, but if it's your money and long miles and many years await ahead, that's what you buy. I like this iteration of the GS, glad they slimmed it down a bit.

Does anyone know what seat height it lowers too with the dynamic mode added ?😊👍

is it possible to change the headlights? 🥺

How about the Honda Africa Twin? Seems quite capable!

I dunno, the more bikes like these become loaded up with panniers, electronics heated seats etc the less I’m interested/more depressing I find them. What’s the point of two wheels if you can’t filter through traffic? From this viewers perspective they’ve become the two wheeled equivalent of an S.U.V and about as desirable… Give me a single 650 from 15 yrs ago with a top box, tank bag, no electronics and to hell with the soddin mobile - take memories not pictures? Great upload though…🫡!

Of All bikes of this style that the Market offers, the GS 1300, is now the best choice for me. Love the new features, love the new looks, slimmer, more agile, in one word, modern. BMW bikes, if you Service them well, they are the most reliable bikes I ever had. Love Japanese bikes on the reliability quality too. But among the European and western world manufacturers, BMW, in my opinion, have the first place if we put it into a hierarchy, BMW comes on top. And this big adventure model, if I’m going to spent some important money on a bike, it would be my first choice. Comfortable enough, very sophisticated, and extremely fun to ride now, better than the predecessor 1250 GS version. I think that BMW has done a great job with this whole new big GS. I’m looking forward to see what have they done with the GSA…😎👌🏻

As I get older feel the weight of these bikes I’m 58 had blackbird pan r1200rt R1 fireblade sp1 panigale cb 1300 Ducati Multistrada I think my next bike will be a lighter bike

Cannot wait to see the new Adventure model. What's the story with factory recalls, re: starter potential fire? Have seen comments on the build quality and stickers not to price point spec?

@GS_Trophy

Ай бұрын

People who say anything bad about its quality are full of it. The quality and detail is excellent. I just bought one and it’s phenomenal. I also own a pan america which is good in its own right. Don’t listen to them. Most of the haters can’t afford one. Most haven’t ridden or even touched one.

Hi, will you review the new Triumph 400 scrambler?? 😅😅

Dentists everywhere, rejoice!

My problem is do I get the F900GSA or the R1300GS. I plan to tour for long travel months at at time, but my heart says R1300, my brain says F900GSA. The F900 is £8k cheaper but comfort of R1300. It’s a no brainer until you test ride them. Forget the rest BMW is my only way, see what deal I can be done end of year

I would not agree with that that it is the best, I am happy for the success of the BMW concept, but there is not much talk about the problems they have. This can happen with any brand. Some caught fire during the test, and a large number of engines had to be replaced with BMWs. It's excellent in performance, that's why it has so many fans, and you never know, maybe I'll have a BMW someday too 😉. Big greetings to everyone and happy driving!

It's funny that not many people are mentioning the fact that BMW made the new 1300cc boxer engine more symmetrical to appeal to all boxerphobs before always one cylinder was more forward then the other now because one cylinder has the drive chain in front of the piston and the other is behind the piston the engine is almost synthetic!! Saying that if You like a boxer engine You will love the 1300cc if you can't stand the looks of it You will buy another bike. I'm a fan and as an ex R1100S owner. And I think the new R1300R/RS will be a really exceptional motorcycle. More power and torque than the R1250 with less weight than the GS.

you've come far from the ER6N, good on you!

buy one, enjoy it, look after it, keep it for years.

Best looking: Africa Twin Adventure Sports

This new BMW is stunning it has all the power you will ever need, you just don't need all that power the other bikes have, plus I love the automatic ride height that goes down when you slow down, plus the BMW has been tried and tested by Ewan Mcgregor and Charle Boreman all over the world so it's the BMW for me for sure

Id probably pick the Triumph just for reliability over the rivals. My dealer does lifetime warranty on Triumph

Hi, It all depends what you’re expecting from your bike, but for me this Gs doesn’t work well, I don’t like it’s vibrations, neither the rider position. Nevertheless, I noticed an improvement in the excitement department, good move! ...but still far below the KTM. For me, it is the KTM with no hesitation ! 😉

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

Plenty of KTM riders that claim the bikes are “junk”. Then there’s the looks.

Looks? I am obviously in the minority based on your snicker in the video, but I think the Pan America is the best looking bike out of the bunch. Not a fan of beak bikes, or the mechanical insect from the future look.

Definitely looks better than the 1250. I hate the long snout on the 1250.

Get African Twin

Does it make people feel special to dunk on the GS?! If you like it or can’t afford it,don’t freakin buy it! Do you really think that manufacturers are only going to make products that YOU can afford to buy!? If that was the case,the only motorcycle available on the market would be the Honda Monkey! And I don’t own a GS or could really afford one either. Unless I wanted to make payments until the sun burned out.

By far the best looking litre class adv bike! The previous gen was just too big and heavy (in my opinion) and overall ahead of the rest of the competition.

Why is everybody talking about less weight while its a downsizes battery and some left out components. I believe its a few KG all around and if you spec it it will be heavier 😅

The adventure bike segment is crazy. Paying 20k for 99.9% of riders to never go off road.😂. Props to their marketing team as they've brainwashed all the elderly in to thinking it's the best bike... the RS and R have always been better road bikes, which is what most UK owners use it for.

The BMW has more than enough power/performance for me so I would go for it based on the fact that its the most comfortable.

FYI slip-ons exist. This is the first GS I'd consider getting. Also I can't take anyone seriously who values their head so little that they use a Ruroc helmet.

You say less weight,what is the wet weight of the bike you are testing.

I am afraid about the durability and reliability of these solutions. The 1250 had many problems and recalls. Driving the new Tiger I have peace of mind and wonderful three cylinders.👍

Tiger 1200 looks and sounds better.

Is that fuel economy right, the Pan Am's only getting 42.75MPG? I have the Pan Am & I'm currently getting over 46mpg (5.11L/100Km), my overall average is 48mpg (4.9L/100K) with my best at 51.25mpg! All documented with numerous videos on my channel. I do a "Fuel Economy Update" video every week to 2 weeks depending on how much I ride to document my fuel economy to keep track for myself & so others can get an idea of what to expect. Also, my bottom barrel mpg numbers would put the theoretical range at 257 miles while my overall average of 48mpg would go 268miles, both beating all big bore ADV comers. I can't imagine with stricter emission regs (Euro5), you folks across the Pond would have worse fuel economy? Weird. Anyway, I love that 1300GS and would love to take it for a rip. Thank you for another top notch vid!

I'm not saying its a bad bike, we all know the GS, its BMW and how they charge extra for all the good stuff, stuff that comes as standard on many other bikes. £16k starting price, right, who buys that one(?), we all know its north of £20k once you spec it up to match many of its competitors.

I like my GSA, but would be attracted to the KTM 1290... nowadays..

Can you or has anyone been able to order a base bike?

@goldilocks913

2 ай бұрын

Can’t imagine anyone would do that, it would affect resale value as most people would get the options and so would second hand buyers

The best adventure motorcycle that I CAN'T buy 😅

The old 1250 GSA all day long

It all adds up to the best birthday present for grandad age 64.

@saintbede60

Ай бұрын

I laughed at that, then remembered I was born in '60. My 64 yr old mate just brought his new GS1300 around to work to show me. Don't think he will wipe that silly grin off his face for some time. I'll stick with the Green Meanie for a while longer me thinks.

Pan-America is very good IMO, better then orange godzilla and even multistrada (and I'm ducati fan)

This is cool and all, but why is the machine price almost 50k euro in Singapore 😭😭

Factory recall announcement re, starter concerns!

that bike along with some ktms are gonna have a lot of rear end accidents because of poor lighting

@steveparish9210

2 ай бұрын

The taillight is terrible

@razorwired130

2 ай бұрын

A few hundred spent on Denali lights will fix that right up. 😂

Large capacity adventure bike itself is a problem for adventuring.

#PanAmerica - OMG, I'm so highly offended by the cruel attack on the Pan America's looks ol' Bobby boy!!! Don't get we wrong, it fell out of the ugly tree & hit every branch on the way down.... But what better reason to love that little Ugly Ducking. Bold, different, a head turner & a conversation starter. I never got that with my boring old GS 1200. Keep up the great work mate. Love the channel.

@guywolff

2 ай бұрын

I think the PA has the same vibe as the CJ 5 Jeep .. I like both .. :)

I think the BM looks amazing in the green with the gold rims but the sound is disappointing and the whole package lacks character. I’ve put a deposit down on a 2024 Tiger 900 Rally Pro over the 850 GS BM for those very reasons.

Multistrada is by far the best looking bike

Still a bike for dorks

@GPR111

2 ай бұрын

😂

The answer is always GS. 😁😁👍🏻👍🏻

Tiger 1200 rally Explorer

Youwouodnt opt for the triumph for performance! I know top speed isn't everything but a! Restricted to 125 mph ........ as I found out , the dealers don't tell you this . Obviously sold it .

I would love this bike in a 800 boxer with less stuff ..Something bullet proof and comfortable ... :)

No. For similar competence, superior styling and bags more character, I’ll take the Guzzi’s new Stelvio and stand out in the crowd.

Over $40,000 AUD when properly configured....... it'll be a hard sell for some at that price. $4,000 premium compared to a new 1250 GSA

It’s a monster why buy mega expensive bikes, I’ve been riding since 1964 I don’t know what to make of these very expensive motorcycle when I see these kind of bikes I think of all the great time I had on cheap fun bikes I’ve had that didn’t have to make me get a second mortgage. Or are all these things just for a new variation of technolust. Well not for me at least REnfield and Voge are going down the right way in my mind anyway. Also all this tech I find strange I use a piece of grey matter personal to me to make my riding safe.