If you’re playing just casually between 2 friends, I don’t see why you can’t just play with the pre-data-slate rules that come in the books. You shouldn’t let balance changes targetted at competitive kill team affect you at all.

@JamesSerapio

9 күн бұрын

If you're playing in a store though, playing the most current rules is the easiest way to keep everyone happy. Picking a ruleset arbitrarily that night favour one side over the other isn't fun.

@CaptinCrofty

9 күн бұрын

@@JamesSerapiowho wants to play at a store though! Bro get me a beer

@WarHammerMan

8 күн бұрын

we all play games as a group/community casually, but we have leagues, and tournaments going weekly . so we use all the updated/most recent rules. a group of us travel around the US and play at tournaments on the regular, we also have players coming from hours away, to play in ours. so you always play the current rules. if we were just hanging out in a basement, or had a fixed small group of people playing a campaign, there is no reason we couldnt use out of date rules, or make up our own. but thats just not viable with travel, and competitive play

@DukeDanseMacambre

8 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerManhonestly build a hobby room, it’s such a game changer. If you don’t have a spare room if you rent move, if you own then build a shed if awesome, trust me it is so worth it. I’m even playing battlefleet gothic again.

@WarHammerMan

7 күн бұрын

@@DukeDanseMacambre lol i have a hobby house. but i much prefer going to tournaments, traveling, or even gather at a shop. we typically get about 8-20 people together locally. but aco was over 200 40k players. you're never going to get that in a hobby room lol

Time for a new ruleset, or at least a completely new rulebook that includes everything

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

yep i totally agree, the idea of having 3 years of books, with 5 books per year. we are basically up to 15 books at this point... not to mention most of them arent even available from GW, so you couldnt buy them all if you wanted.

I’m still waiting for a proper AdMech kill team with unique models. There’s so many choices you could do! Explorator team like the Mechanicus game with unique weapons. Skitarii upgrade sprue. Old style bulky Skitarii with animal furs and grenade launcher hands like Titanicus. A single Tech Priest and squad of servitors (they got rid of the resin servitors kit some time ago so I thought this was coming).

@WarHammerMan

7 күн бұрын

ya i think they set the stage for an ad-mech, or dark mechanicum team with the focus of the gallowfall being caused by the mechanicum... i really hope they will get a new kit, and would love to see dark mechanicum, after the new perverse genestealers in necromunda have so much flavor. something along those lines would be amazing

@redeye3869

7 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerMan I annoys me that the lore article for Bheta-Decima said the final battle was for “the fate of the planet” and it was Votann vs Broodbrothers. Like really you can’t think of ANYONE else that should be involved in the final battle for the fate of a FORGE WORLD?

@WarHammerMan

7 күн бұрын

@@redeye3869 they have queued up ad-mech for a kill team, i want to take the final battle quote literally, but it doesnt make sense, it would be an obvious mistake to skip them at this point. i think its GW just gaslighting us!

Wanted to get into KT thinking it would be cheaper than 40k and play faster. I'm looking at all this expensive rules bloat and hearing a match of KT can be upwards of 2 hours now (if both players are familiar with the rules and their squad). Maybe not?

@WarHammerMan

7 күн бұрын

you're 100% right. when we were playing KT regularly, even with fully knowing all our rules, it was still taking 1-2 hours. tournament rounds tend to be 2 hours 30 minutes... that means the best players, playing the most, in a competitive setting, are taking over 2 hours for a round... 40k rounds in the same setting are typically 2:45-3:00 its basically just as long a game, which means the KT rules are broken/bloated beyond belief!

Time for GW to offer the solution to our problems.

@WarHammerMan

2 күн бұрын

ya they have completely lost touch with the customers/fans. they need to actually listen, instead they just block any feedback, thats not 100% praise

For me kill team was most fun from the release of critical operations deck up until gallowfall. Was able to run a decent campaign with the ashes of faith box up at our LGS and had six people participate. But when beta decima came out and with how rule heavy almost all the bespoke teams this season are, it has become overwhelming. I would not introduce a new player to kill team in its current state and really hope third edition will clean a lot of stuff up. You are %100 right about the rule changes having effects on different terrain settings!

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

ya i loved kill team at the beginning of the edition. gallowfall was awesome, but availability was terrible. the ashes of faith box was the only one, i wasnt able to get since the first release. GW has let rules bloat get out of control, the balance doesnt work anymore with so many moving parts, its really a shame. they need to just release a new edition, and make it more like warcry. simple, fun, skirmish. they have lost the script

Same here. The rapidfire releases have me feeling a bit burned out. I’m not sure exactly how long it lasted, but it feels like this newest season was really rushed.

@WarHammerMan

8 күн бұрын

ya they rushed out termination very fast. it was about a month after nightmare... should have been 3 months apart. we ill really feel the time difference when the next warcry expansion launches on the normal schedule. as up until termination, they had released them all together!

@Dorneman

8 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerMan I can’t help but wonder why the quick release schedule.

I keep wanting to get into Kill Team and then I look at the price to get current and the labyrinth I would have to get through to learn the rules and I am put off. I don't understand GW's approach. Each game is it's own little ecosystem and they keep adding fertilizer to the plots hoping things will grow. Instead they are just stunting the growth of the plants. Maybe a video on what you think GW's model is would be of interest.

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

ya i think you nailed it. they need to do a new edition, and keep it fun, and simple. too much focus on competitive play and balance, not enough focus on the other 95% of people. i think GW is selling less, and charging more, to inflate the numbers. but with the upcoming earnings report, i'll show this with stats and math. cheers

I don't play KT but have some interest. Kind of want the new box because I'm thinking about starting a GSC army and the Jaegers look awesome. I thought they could pull double duty as a Kill Team and Squat Prospectors for Necromunda. Think I'll wait for a new edition though. Doubtful I can even get my hands on the new box and really don't want to try to play catch up on 3 years of rules errata😂

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

thats a great idea. dual purpose kits are super nice! They really need a new edition to consolidate the rules

Totally agree with your comments - I stopped playing in April due to bloat and constant micromanaging of the teams and can't even be bothered to play again. I have everything barring the last set.....

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

ya i know so many people that gave up because of the rules bloat, or lack of availability. i love the models, but 90% of the sales are going to 40k players, not actually for kill team

@CaptinCrofty

9 күн бұрын

Bro come play infinity by Corvus belli better rules better models

A hope the new Necromunda pick up the ball and has a more stable behavior.

@JamesSerapio

9 күн бұрын

Necromunda... Stable? Hahahaha That game has almost as many books as plastic model kits 😅

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

i think necromunda is the opposite. its basically the perfect example of what rules, and range bloat look like. its out of control!

@CaptinCrofty

9 күн бұрын

Just start playing infinity free rules better models better rules stop and smell the roses

@DojoPaints

9 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerMan that’s what I said: I hope this new set it’s a new start

@WarHammerMan

7 күн бұрын

@@DojoPaints ya necromunda and kill team need a hard reset. its just too much. impossible to get new blood into it, with so much bloat

Probably GW want sell some app to you which will answer you's question, which rules are up to date and which are not? I see such advertisement in my head: GW competitive games! Games for everyone but lawyers will handle it better!

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

lol i could totally see it. AI answers with a subscription service. soon they wont even need a staff, AI can just do it all lol

Kill team is so fucking wordy I can't get noob friends into it. Warcry however is quicker to learn, easier to read, and the teams are actually updated even "bespoke". Kill team I wanted enjoy, but the rules are annoying, and there isn't as much fun randomness as warcry

@WarHammerMan

8 күн бұрын

i love warcry. it stayed what skirmish should be, and kill team turned into something far worse. it started off good, but the broke the game with all the bloat. warcry is perfect because you can bring in a brand new player, give them a warband, help them a bit, and still have a fun game. with kill team the kill/rules make it impossible for a new player to have competitive/fun games.

I feel like games.Workshop needs to stop catering to the tournament crowd.And let us casuals have our fun without worrying about rules changes

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

ya they are far too focused on like 5% of the community, and completely ignoring the other 95% its honestly annoying. i'm a tournament player, so i can easily keep up, but for an average person, its almost impossible

@WardudeProxies

9 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerMan it really is. And I feel what they should focus on is selling narrative campaigns where each faction gets it's time to shine but mostly a focus on story and any new rules are specific to that narrative only.

It’s a mess!!! A fkd up mess!

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

ya they have lost control, and now nobody plays, they just buy the kits to paint, or for 40k. GW thinks the game is far more popular than it actually is.

Love the figures because they can pack so much character into just one squad. Don't like sorry can't pick it up on a whim because it's sold out. Haven't even attempted to learn how to play so I'm just paint and the lore. Also disappointing how the Xeno factions don't get more love by something like Ork pirates just feels like humans get unlimited Kill Teams and Xeno get one generic and one cool specialist squad.

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

i agree, and love the specialists, from a model perspective. individual operatives and abilities in game is awesome as well. but you're right, not being able to get anything after initial release is terrible for the game. GW has leaned in super hard on the human teams, and been using kill team to sell models to 40k players. its very clear when you see things like scorpions or mandrakes, with almost no actual specialist options, then get a human team, with like 12 different operative options. I honestly think close to 75% or more of kill team sales, are to 40k players after the new model kits. kill team is dying. the lore and models are great though, and the game used to be super fun. we need it to be more like warcry, and less like, whatever it is now!

On the one hand, complain that nothing is available, on the other hand, complain when new Stuff isn't released every Week 🤣🤣🤣

@WarHammerMan

8 күн бұрын

people complain when i praise GW, they complain when i complain, they tell me how much they love the channel, others how much they hate me... i just do me, and post it on the internet. its a 100% fact, that nothing i do, will make everyone happy. but i am genuine, take it or leave it. no emojis necessary lol

Would rather that they got rid of kill team and replace with boarding actions/combat patrol level of play going forward.

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

i dont think boarding actions was good at all. combat patrol is cool . but the market for kill team is the skirmish aspect. i'd love to see them refine the rules, and books, but keep it more like warcry

OPR Firefight. GW makes getting their rules difficult.

@WarHammerMan

9 күн бұрын

i hear tons of people on the internet talking about OPR. but i have never seen someone playing it in real life, or ever heard someone mention it. so i'm genuinely curious who is playing it. i could see people teaching it to their kids, because its simple and easy, but not sure if its actually catching on, or just an internet discussion.

@janviggoneubergjohansen

9 күн бұрын

@@WarHammerMan Space Weirdos!!! I use Five Parsecs rules. Used to run old Hardwire rules. Still buy GW minnies thou, but use the for kitbashing. But hey !! If you want you van always use minnis playing Ludo. As long as ppl are having fun. & constantly buying new rules/looking for updates is not fun.

@Official_Random_Guy

8 күн бұрын

​@@janviggoneubergjohansen 5PR is a good book, I just picked it up recently. I would recommend many tabletop fans to pick it up and download the free pdf sheets online to print to go with the book. If you already have models, then you are set to go, especially if you have a bunch of different factions of models.