It’s like yg said “ I know you’re in 3rd grade but here’s level 5 math , do it “

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

😭

@lilhonni

3 жыл бұрын

Calculus is down the hall as well

@teume_lover6396

3 жыл бұрын

And they still are rocking it like Queens 💓💓

@Princess-je4tf

3 жыл бұрын

That's what they need tho.

@Tarikkb

3 жыл бұрын

@@Princess-je4tf they need the lecture first , u have to teach grade 5 math before they’re given an assignment, u can’t hand a fifth grader homework to a third grader cuz they don’t know it yet they need more practice ( at least that’s the way I look at it)

Jisoo should get more material in a lower range, where her unique voice really shines through.

@user-mp5po2pt8d

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get it of companies not using their idols vocal ranges to their best. I mean, save maybe very few groups, it seems so common for GGs to just be forced to sing in a higher register, regardless of what is best or even comfortable for the members. I think the only ones that I have seen being able to avoid being forced to sing higher are people like MAMAMOO's Moonbyul, DREAMCATCHER's Dami and (G)I-DLE's Yuqi. I mean...we can even see in TWICE how they all are forced to sing higher and how that screws up their singing... How hard is it to make songs that ARE good for the singers to sing?

@urieommarang

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-mp5po2pt8d JYP really over does it. Itzy and Twice, now NiziU...

@user-mp5po2pt8d

3 жыл бұрын

@@urieommarang JYP could be using well their idols that have a lower register I mean, Ryujin's voice can do both high and low but she really seems to charm me when she's singing in her regular speak-voice(that BOSS performance of hers was the best her voice has sounded so far(low and chill instead of high energy and high pitched), but I do like her duality voice-wise). I feel the same shit happens with Red Velvet's Seulgi, she can go both high and low and sound amazing, but SM tends to make her go high only...smh😑

@urieommarang

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-mp5po2pt8d totally agree and Lias RnB voice is just 👌🏻

@joejames1794

3 жыл бұрын

Like Stay and Playing wit Fire she truly excels with music like that

I hate to say it but yg doesn’t care about their vocalists’ vocal health at all. He was on the route to do the same to his first girl group, 2ne1 and one member named bom regressed detrimentally. Yg only cares about your voice if it sounds emotive and ‘unique’ and he doesn’t care how or why it sounds like it does

@ace0-017

3 жыл бұрын

Minzy's technique was always the strongest in 2ne1 and she still didn't regress.

@k.n3809

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Minzy did have the best technique. I think she may have had that before becoming a trainee? Idk, all I know is that Bom kinda suffered with YG. She sounds much better now.

@k.n3809

3 жыл бұрын

@Elegant Oprah reallly? Idk, I'm not a professional, but I think she's sounding pretty good in her recent performances.

@taeslilclown9801

3 жыл бұрын

@@ace0-017 the only reason Minzy or CL didn’t regress was because they were lead vocalists. YG’s vocal mistreatment is normally towards the main vocalists, in whom he favored a unique tone with. His lead vocalists were practically just chilling no matter what level their vocals were at

@wisteriadrop2641

3 жыл бұрын

Bom went from having nice Bb4s and B4s to straining G4s 😭

Jisoo’s vocals are so frustrating because you can hear so much potential but her tone just creates so much tightness in her upper belting which she could easily do if they just coached her

@jeongzz3817

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, imagine if she trains in SM. 😭

@ridhichaudhary6825

3 жыл бұрын

PLzzz stop this negativity in the form of training or some bullshit

@jeongzz3817

3 жыл бұрын

@@ridhichaudhary6825 Since when encouraging her (YG in general) and *spreading awareness for her to get training for her vocals to be even better is negative?

@melonlord1458

3 жыл бұрын

@@ridhichaudhary6825 Jisoo is my bias and I wouldn't tolerate anyone seriousky speaking negative about her or ANY of the members (OT4 too), but this is not negativity. It's just constructive criticism. We want them to improve and sing safely.

@keishalawson3995

3 жыл бұрын

@@melonlord1458 that's the thing. How do yall know that she decided to stop training or if she likes to way that she sings. Not everything deserves to opinion on

It’s just brake my heart see Jisoo struggling, she has all this potencial and I don’t want her to lose it.

@janinepugahan3491

3 жыл бұрын

She's just tired

@yoshi_10

3 жыл бұрын

@@janinepugahan3491 its yg

@Awmsies

3 жыл бұрын

@@janinepugahan3491 she'd be less tired of she has better technique

@jnlolz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Awmsies too bad yg won't let them get vocal lessons

@choloyolo8522

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but break*

Most idols dont even continue singing lessons once They debut Its strange

@juansuarez0126

3 жыл бұрын

Because their schedules are really busy :(

@hughw2377

3 жыл бұрын

With the amount of work they have to go through there isn't any free time for voice lessons

@melianafannisa9538

3 жыл бұрын

@@hughw2377 but they actually need to, for their own vocal health

@monalisakindalisa8644

3 жыл бұрын

I agree it's so strange vocal technique takes years to master yet when they debut they stop taking lessons? Improving is a huge part of being an idol/artist etc and they need to know that and start prioritize it

@johnthechamp4208

3 жыл бұрын

Blackpink have a lot of time to have vocal lessons since they only have 1 comeback a year. I rlly hope YG gets proper vocal trainers and give them vocal training.

let’s be real if jisoo trained under sm we would get to see more of her potential. it’s frustrating because she has potential but she has so much throat tension and strain and it’s not her fault. yg always knows how to disappoint us✨.

@debatable98

2 жыл бұрын

I say that ALL THE TIME. Like SM isn’t a great company and she wouldn’t get the same fame and money as she would from YG, but she’s have a much better grasp on her vocal technique and would have gotten far more helpful training than she did from YG.

@sputchocho

2 жыл бұрын

It is not to criticize the girls in a bad way, but, the 4 have All the possibilities to improve and grow, only they simply do not do it, if there are not very good vocal coaches in yg they have All the resources to hire a good teacher/trainer, to teach them good techniques to sing, and that in the next comeback they, despite having to use the same style they always use, at least have a better technique to cope with this one and not get hurt. But apparently they have not done it, if they seek to improve more vocally we would have already seen more improvement in past comebacks, it is true that there has been a lot of improvement since the debut but not about the improvement that is talked about in the video and in the comments, their techniques have improved a bit but not substantially, and they have all the resources to make a much bigger improvement. Not everything is the fault of the company, it is also the responsibility and motivation of the idol to seek to improve more, and even more so if they have more than enough money to be able to hire a personal trainer themselves.

@yuktasalvi7945

2 жыл бұрын

@@sputchocho as long as one is in a kpop group they cannot significantly improve, only things they can achieve are some improvements here and there and nothing else and even after coming out of a group they might find it difficult to improve, they become used to certain techniques even if they are unhealthy

@k-fun8377

Жыл бұрын

jisoo litterally have almost the same voice as TAEYEON which means she could have been one of the best vocalist out there , if only they trained her :(

@xxfogartinixx

Жыл бұрын

@@k-fun8377 Girl what??? Lol Jisoo dont have technique, her notes are unsupported she is a underveloped vocalist. Taeyeon is a proficient vocalist. A mile of distance in vocal terms.

OMG its like you are speaking from my mouth, that is how i think literally. Jisoo and Jennie have potential to be powerhouses since they have thick voices but they often are very throathy and nasal. They have a lot of pottential. The Show performances were by far the worst performances we got from Jisoo(she is my favorite BTW) and yet fans act like nothing is wrong vocally, she needs training and after she gets that she will be a powerhouse amoung idols

@ace0-017

3 жыл бұрын

Jisoo's voice seemed really weak in the show, I hope she will not demage it.

@cesarinamedinapimentel8085

3 жыл бұрын

Jennie is not throaty/nasal

@Md5438-

3 жыл бұрын

Omg yes.. jisoo is my bias as well..and i also felt the same...but like she was really busy at that time with snowdrop shooting dior shoots..so I thought may be she didn't get much time to practice

@weavtj1097

3 жыл бұрын

@@ace0-017 when I heard Jisoo sing her D4 high note I was just disappointed. So much tension in her voice.

@izonexbae

3 жыл бұрын

@@ace0-017 yeah the show u could really hear the tiredness and she was fatigued throughout. Probably bc of the drama and brand meetings

i'm not a blink, and i'll say, if jisoo (my fav too btw) as a lead vocalist she sounds like that, something is definitely wrong. sometimes i feel like jennie is being taken her main purpose, for months i thought lisa was the main rapper until i saw their official propositions. you're right: even if the main focus isn't the vocal delivery, we can still work on it to ensure what we can do goes right, keep a balance between what we're given to do and what we can do and avoid future complications

@TEAM__POSEID0N

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, YG only said the following about the members' roles (specialties) in the group: Jisoo: Vocal Jennie: Vocal / Rap Rosé: Vocal Lisa: Rap / Dance This is what was stated when they officially debuted in 2016 and YG has not made any other official statements about member specialties since then. Obviously, Jennie was always expected to have a major role as a singer. Even when she was a trainee, her first appearance on a national TV stage (in 2013) was when she featured as a SINGER in a GD song. The idea that she was not originally intended to have a big role as a singer in BP is incorrect.

@brendav4695

3 жыл бұрын

@@TEAM__POSEID0N the information is on melon and other sites, YG is the one that provides this kind of information

@Popo-wr7zt

Жыл бұрын

@@TEAM__POSEID0N This has been proved an Lisa stan who is commenting on every comment mentioning Jennie as main rapper,,,, no wonder Lisa Stans are given the most toxic stan tittle ,,, they even want to take main rapper position 🤣🤣🤣

@zoi7582

Күн бұрын

​@@Popo-wr7ztyou can't take something that doesn't exist !! the person is correct because I was there to see YGE didn't introduce the main and leads. the k-pop website melon did, which fans took as "official" positions the same site that was saying jisoo holds a dancing position like what ?😂😂

Honestly if yg doesnt give blackpink proper vocal lessons they might end up ruining their voice. You can legit notice jisoo straining her voice during the show . I hate how yg treats their kpop groups. Its like the artists have so much talent but yg doesnt care about them.😒😒😒😒😒

The idea of someone who love to sing losing their ability to do it bcoz unhealty vocal habits its terrefilling. When I look at blackpink girls i just keep in mind Park Boom, a beautiful voice that got lost bcoz of YG and her not carring about a proper tecnic. Is just sad

Rosé said she want to be a singer with good vocal technique and she show that she serious, she recently supported Bb4 and B4 quite easily, less of tension and nasality than before. Hope they all get improve soon.

@shibourne2000

3 жыл бұрын

Can i see the clip? Was it on her solo??

@mythings8185

3 жыл бұрын

@@shibourne2000 0:25 Bb4 supported, 0:35 not bad too.

@shibourne2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@mythings8185 wait those timestamps are when he's talking?

@lipeeh6179

3 жыл бұрын

@@shibourne2000 LOL

@visit4873

3 жыл бұрын

when did she support b4?

Poor jisoo and Jennie especially Jennie, a main rapper got treated like a main vocalist. We should trended and spread awareness, I'm very tramautize right know with what happened to park bom. Please spread this.

@smithamadhu244

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't Jennie the lead vocalist....like if she has both singing and rapping lines then Lisa wouldn't have any lines right?

@lol-bz9hb

3 жыл бұрын

@@smithamadhu244 lol in d4 jennie had vocal and rap lines still she wasn't first and lisa got more than 16 sec to rap which was longer than jennies part And nowadays with just rap lines ( ic ) she had more lines than the main rapper and main vocalist lol

@luanagraciano7359

3 жыл бұрын

@@lol-bz9hb But in 4D she sings 1 minute of music alone, and the song only has 3 minutes ... in IC it was the first song that Lisa had more lines, without being extremely repetitive. Usually the ones with the most lines are Rosé and Jennie

@jishita1

3 жыл бұрын

ROSIE IS THE MAIN VOCALIST

@danielblink9088

3 жыл бұрын

@@jishita1 yeah I know

I don't know if I am Being biased but I saw a big improvement in Rosé's voice since her debut, I can see why her tone is not everyone cup of tea though. As for Jisoo I kind of agree with the video analysis, her voice is getting weaker, I used to agree she was the most vocally stable in the group in D4 era but now, at least in my non professional opnion, Rosé has been the most stable as she should being the main vocalist. It's a pity yg doesn't invest more in vocal training cause jisoo's tone is very sothing and likeble. I believe that for Jennie rapping is still being her strongest skill, even though she is good as vocalist, I really think they should focus more on giving her rap lines instead of so many difficult singing lines.

@heenadhurwe_ce325

3 жыл бұрын

its because they are planning rose solo for a long time ,maybe in this time she really focus on vocals training ,so she can show in her solo because in group performance you can hide your lack in vocal technique mostly but Not in solo .And there is a long time in jisoo solo that's why they are Not focusing on it (yg).jisoo is so booked now ,so I think she really don't have a time for vocal training.

@suchetasabnis6925

3 жыл бұрын

Yes i agree

@michellerosebohol141

3 жыл бұрын

I agree also in dancing, Rosé always improve on every come back of BP.

@keishalawson3995

3 жыл бұрын

No jisoo is still the most stable

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

@@heenadhurwe_ce325 I think it's because Rosé used to sing a lot even without comebacks. Like what she revealed in their documentary, she always sings late at night to fall asleep. I'm a singer too, and I can say that if you're not singing everyday, your voice can be weaker. As for Rosé, well, she always sings late at night with her instruments, the reason why her voice is improving a lot. It's not because of her solo, but because she literally sings everyday. Singing late at night is already her daily routine which is really good.

You really highlighted the potential they have to become admirable vocalists but sadly, I don't see it happening because the execs/elites, don't care, even if this leads to them damaging their voices. They just see them as money making products and after all if they are still quite successful despite the subpar vocals, they view vocal training for them as an inconvenience. If their voices deteriorate, their higher ups probably plan to make them lip-sync even more. *P.S.* They all have potential but I must say Jisoo could really be a vocal force to be reckoned with if she was properly trained, considering the natural beauty of her timbre. It appears to appeal to people the most.

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

As always, thank you for watching!😘

@GarageStudio7

3 жыл бұрын

@@aintnootherfan 👈 Always on point with your videos 🎯💯 like how?!

@blairturner139

3 жыл бұрын

They should do it on there own. Time sometimes it's better to do it yourself then rely in someone else helping u

@GarageStudio7

3 жыл бұрын

@@blairturner139 I wholeheartedly agree but considering they are that controlled, their execs would have to give them the go-ahead before they could 😞

@mythings8185

3 жыл бұрын

Recently Rosé has a little of progression, she support Bb4 and less of nasality than before, she also said she want to be a singer with good technique and i thing she is on the right way

jisoo's range is so much identical to dua lipa's. i really do hope that on bp's future releases or her solo projects she gets to showcase her deep raspy voice and have her 'physical/levitating' moment because these type of songs fit her so much esp the low registers.

@ameilioracryptos5298

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah she's definitely an alto, the high notes are weak

“Well, EXCUSE ME..” This reaction to BLACKPINK haters is everything 😂 Anyways this issue is a recurring issue in the Kpop industry in general because the entertainment factor (ie visuals, concepts, dancing, performing etc) is a huge priority. BLACKPINK have some of my favourite vocal tones but I too wish they could take lessons and bring out the best of them. We’ll see what happens in the future. Sometimes groups do take the time to improve eventually. For example, BTS seems to have improved in 2020 judging by their Fix You performance 🤷‍♂️

@TEAM__POSEID0N

3 жыл бұрын

TBH, the standard Kpop format is not conducive to spotlighting and developing vocal talent. Virtually all stage performances involve elaborate dancing. Anyone who wants to seriously focus on optimizing vocal performance knows that it requires the singer to mostly just stand or sit in one position or otherwise just do body movements that enhance the singing. That's probably one reason why Lee Hi eventually decided to leave YG. YG wanted to manage her just like she was a member of an idol group and always wanted her to be doing idol-type dancing when she was singing on stage. But she knew that in order for her to give her best live vocal performances she couldn't be dancing around trying to do idol-type choreography. The most famous singers on the world rarely do much, if any, choreography in their stage performances. (In Lee Hi's very popular recent Begin Again performances, she's almost always just sitting and focusing on her singing -- something that YG generally wouldn't let her do.) There are people like JYP, on the other hand, who sing in a style that is suited for choreography...i.e. syncopated, beat-driven notes, breathy and airy. But that's almost like a sub-specialty... a "dance singer", not really a strong ballad singer or r&b singer type of thing. Something like what Rosé and Lisa did when they performed the L.O.V.E. duet is actually really good singing when you consider all of the dance moves they were doing simultaneously.

@hexawira7134

2 жыл бұрын

BTS arent better than blackpink vocally, you could use better example like seventeen or exo

@hsfan876

2 жыл бұрын

@@hexawira7134 I’m fairly certain, when it comes to vocal skill, BTS are better than BLACKPINK (other than Rosé perhaps) but regardless, when I made the comment I used BTS as an example of a group who’s improved, not a group that’s better than BLACKPINK.

As a vocalist myself, everytime I hear Jennie and Jisoo singing, they relied heavily on their chest register. It just sounded like they just screamed out the tone while getting chocked. Not that I said they are terrible, I'm saying the agency didn't even bother to train them to healthier singing technique which is sad. They won't even give the genre their voices are more fitting in. Jennie is totally a soulful singer, she should've sing more RnB and soul.

@istanaqueenwhohaswsnols2249

2 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely, the lack of techniques is really evident. Only if they all got to have a proper vocal training, but then their company is the biggest crap so what to expect. And yes, Jennie's genre is really RnB-soul. She really found her sound in that genre but what shocked me tho is she can sing a disney song despite having soulful voice 🔥

@Yo99753

23 күн бұрын

I would definitely say that Jennie regressed a lot. Her recent solo 'You and me' is extremely unbearable. She sounded extremely nasal. I don't know how everyone thought it was good.

I feel like Jennie has so much potential to be an extraordinary vocalist, her voice is so powerful . Jisoo and Rosé could easily be among the best vocalists in kpop. I hope they keep training and singing a lot, I can't wait to see them evolve for the better!

@TEAM__POSEID0N

3 жыл бұрын

YG always intended for Jennie to have a big role as a vocalist in the group. When they debuted, YG listed their specialties as follows: Jisoo: vocal Jennie: vocal / rap Rosé: vocal Lisa: rap / dance As a trainee, Jennie even made her first appearance on national TV as a singer (featured singer on a G-Dragon song). I'm always surprised seeing some people talking about Jennie as though she should mostly just be rapping and not singing. I guess it's because they get obsessed with that whole system of so-called "main" and "lead" positions -- even though YG has never officially said anything on any YG website, channel or publication about any "main" or "lead" rankings of the members.

@lm5legend393

3 жыл бұрын

@@TEAM__POSEID0N these positions of members are approved positions nobody made up this, you can check it on Melon or other music platforms

@milkyuuu6170

3 жыл бұрын

@@TEAM__POSEID0N No those positions were their official positions made by YG, check those korean sites if u want. I truly think Jennie is best in rapping than she is in singing, I mean she does great at both, but her rapping is her strongest skill to use and she only uses it sometimes. She has the best technique and flow in rapping as well as her diction and how much syllables she can rap per second isn't even revealed yet. YG said that Jennie is showing about 20% of what she can do. Even though she was introduced or did singing first, there's always a skill that someone's gonna be better at than they thought of. Jisoo and Jennie's vocals are getting weaker while Rosé and Lisa are improving. YG better get their shit together.

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

@@TEAM__POSEID0N Actually, the official positions are confirmed by YGE. The official positions are listed in their MelOn profile. MelOn profile is the legit one, because they ask for confirmation from the company first before posting it, knowing that MelOn is the biggest music chart in South Korea. I've watched the pre-debut performances of BLACKPINK members. Though Jennie is part of vocal line, I think Jisoo is still have better control than Jennie (in hitting high notes at least). Even with Lisa. Did you know that Lisa was actually a Lead Vocalist of PINKPUNK? It only changed when they became BLACKPINK. Maybe because YG witness that Lisa have a great rapping ability. With Rosé, YG already knew that Rosé will be in the vocal line ever since, as they let Rosé to collaborate with GD, when Rosé is just a newbie YG trainee.

@ArtyomAnna

3 жыл бұрын

just... dont go there.... 🤦‍♂️

Rosé is the only one who I see slowly improving over the years she is also the only one who can relax and support her voice in a certain part of her range. Jisoo and Jennie will bloom with a little push towards the right direction but rightnow they both struggle with most slightly above average difficulty vocal parts.

@sukhmeet04

3 жыл бұрын

True.

@dream.5708

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@sybilwillow6176

3 жыл бұрын

True

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Among the members, I can clearly see the improvements of the maknae line (Rosé and Lisa). Rosé's voice is improving a lot, especially when I heard her OTG encore. She was laughing, but still hits the high notes in the bridge. Lisa also. In her cover of Say So, I can say her vocals is really improving. She's hitting every notes effortlessly.

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy that Rosé is the one who gets the most criticisms in her vocals among the members before, but now, she's the one who's really improving a lottt!

Jennie's vocals are pretty good in The Show.

@skye3566

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@milesdegenhardt5419

3 жыл бұрын

It might sound good (to me as well) but its not about the sound its more about the technique behind it and i think the creator of this video is able to recognize or hear if something is wrong with how they are singing otherwise he would'nt have made and uploaded this video. So long story short the creator of this video who i guess is a vocal coach is afraid of BP,e especially jisoo und jennie kinda losing their ability to sing due to wrong techniques rather than saying that they are bad singers or sound bad.

@istanaqueenwhohaswsnols2249

2 жыл бұрын

@@milesdegenhardt5419 yes i agree because the voice is there, the tone is there but the lack of training is really a disadvantage for them which is also my concern to Jennie as she is my bias

@HUNTER-iy8mj

Жыл бұрын

@@milesdegenhardt5419 This incorrect this guy isn't a vocal coach he is a damn med student when someone tries to analysis a person's voice and singing techniques I tend to take what a person is saying with a pinch of salt and do my own research and analysis and listen to takes from people that are in the music industry they tend to be reliable when it comes to stating facts. Sure Jennie and Jisoo cannot sing as high as Rose can but look at people like Whitney Houston, Steve Perry(used to sing high notes but cannot anymore), and Amy Winehouse to list a few these people couldn't sing high but had very famous songs. People say that Blackpink should get Jennie and Jisoo to learn high notes I disagree Let them use the strengths they have already. Jisoo is very good with Harmonizing with Rose I think YG should use more harmonizing vocals with the other members instead of using the backtracks they usually use for the harmonizing. In conclusion Jisoo and Jennie didn't lose the ability to sing the songs just went higher octaves then they can handle. Just noticed a replied to a 1 year old comment but non the less thought I should put in my two cents.

I agree about Jennie and Jisoo, they could potentially become such good singers because as of now they manage to sing really well and their voices are just incredible. So if they deal with the discomfort and strain they would be so powerful 😔 YG please recognize the talent you have!!

I love how you give constructive criticisms unlike other youtubers who know nothing about vocals and keep on shaming them. I'm not sure about jisoo but jennie's case is 100% accurate, like I don't get it why does yg want to push her to the main vocalist position when she's actually the main rapper, in their hylt encore stage, they all sounded pretty stable but jennie's voice was still a bit breathy. On the other hand, in coachella, jennie was clearly slaying her rap parts and sounded like a professional because that's the thing she's trained at the most. Plus I also want lisa to get more vocal lines, like the girl has potential and yg keeps pushing her to be the main rapper. Hope we could see more rapper jennie and vocalist lisa in the future.

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

Yge didn't push her to be the main vocalist. They only giving her more singing lines with rosé because she's lead vocalist too duh.

@zoroXgamings

Жыл бұрын

Yeah true , i have seen many others just try to bring blackpink vocals to shame somehow , like why you are so much jealous of them bro 😂😂 . And today I literally come to know why thier vocals are not the center of attention, if one can achieve good vocals with training then I don't think blackpink would every get time to do it , because with their popularity they are to busy to even live together on their anniversary 😭 just make money , vocals huh leave it lip sync , you girls just make money , that's what YG wants

@alinasava901

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but honestly she is not even trained as a rapper. At coachella she was shouting, not rapping and there is a big difference. They do not train her and her voice cannot keep up because it's tiring and exhausting. I'm honestly so worried about the upcoming tour. How are they going to perform these many shows? This is going to ruing their vocals for sure.

Yg vocal training sucks it doesn't really matter to me if they are amazing singers but if they are harming their voices then it's a serious problem

@doriannepontez9757

3 жыл бұрын

What I wonder is why their boy groups’ vocalists are so good, but their girl group’s vocalists are not well trained?

@jaejaeyoonie2255

3 жыл бұрын

@@doriannepontez9757 what do u mean by that.. 2ne1 is good at vocals. It just blackpink have different vibe to it, cause most likely Teddy handling them not yg itself. they are more like a tbl's not yg's.

@doriannepontez9757

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaejaeyoonie2255 true, 2NE1 had good vocals. Apparently, Minzy was not trained at YG for her vocals, that is probably why she is such a good vocalists. Blackpink’s vocals are not good on the other hand though. Also, YG’s male vocalists are so good, I wonder why with all the money that YGE has why couldn’t they employ great vocal coaches for this girls.

@jaejaeyoonie2255

3 жыл бұрын

@@doriannepontez9757 It is because Blackpink is so popular that they don't have time to practice. cause if u were talking about why others is good because all yg groups habbits is to practice even if they already debuted, from bigbang to treasure their home is literally their practice room. When u following treasure u will see on their tmap, that evem they were preparing tmap episode they still dont forget to pratice and this is the same with yg groups but blackpink doesn't have time to do that because they schedule is full with advertisements, brands and etc. which they also forgot to sleep properly which is also causing their vocals.

@doriannepontez9757

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaejaeyoonie2255 they are just not good vocalists; all those reasons you listed can’t explain why their vocals are not good. They are other groups whose schedule are also pretty charged and who don’t even go to sleep who can still sing properly. They don’t have a good foundation vocally because they were not well trained and are still not trying to get proper vocal training.

Rosé is who I can only consider a powerhouse vocalist. She has the best technique in the group. She has the best agility. And she has wide range. Her adlibs and high notes in Bet You Wanna were surprising and just cemented her role as the best vocalist in BP.

@o.7079

2 жыл бұрын

Jennie has the best agility

@ashIesha

2 жыл бұрын

rose is a very weak vocalist wtf are you talking about

@WokeQueen2

2 жыл бұрын

She’s not a Powerhouse but could’ve been one if she trained in Sm. Powerhouse is Wendy, Seulgi, Taeyeon, MMM, and Jihyo.

@hanniezy9125

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashIesha actually she's weak to average vocalist. she far from being weak but not super closer to average. she improved her intonation and pitch.

@JC-qg5di

Жыл бұрын

i disagree

I think Jisoo didn't sound her best during The Show because she had SO much going on in the months leading up to it; she was constantly filming for Snowdrop, pulling really long days, she was booked constantly for Dior and Cartier photoshoots, and she was filming for Kart Rider videos (although these came out later, they seemed to have been filmed around January time) as well as learning all of the new choreography for the show, I think she was exhausted. She was constantly saying that she wasn't tired, but even in the BTS posted on Jennie's channel, Jisoo is lying down resting... I really don't think she had much time to prepare vocally. It sucks, cause she's my favourite vocalist in the group.

@megan5529

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re a good vocalist even a decent one no matter what schedules you have YOU WILL TURN UP AND DO YOUR JOB WELL. She isn’t, therefore she sounded bad.

@Laurr123xx

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan5529 That’s bullshit. If you know anything about Jisoo, you would have seen she did many vlives around this time and was constantly coughing + sounded sick. She was working until 6am filming. That obviously will have an effect on your voice, even if you were the best vocalist in the world. If you don’t like Jisoo that’s fine, but ALL vocalists sound different when they’re run down, compared to when they’re perfectly healthy. Your comment reeks of ignorance

@megan5529

2 жыл бұрын

@@Laurr123xx even when she’s completely healthy she’s bad. I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. I don’t hate her as a person I just really think she needs to work on her vocals to even compete with the best in the industry. Same goes for rose and Jennie.

@Laurr123xx

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan5529 She's really not bad though. You honestly think she always sounds bad? If you do I just can't take your opinion with any credibility. I'm not saying she's this incredible singer that can compete with the top idol singers, but there are definitely times when she's had some of my favourite vocals, such as her Yuki No Hana live cover.

@nianadereto6246

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan5529 did u know that even the vocalist teacher said that we need to rest well before we performing especially when u wanna sing a powerful song🙃

I feel like Jisoo, if trained well, could sound something like Miyeon from g-idle, I just wish yg put more attention into their vocal health and technique, not just profit :(

@luxtina2847

3 жыл бұрын

She got an offer from SM Entertainment(they are known for their strict vocal trainig) if she accepted that sm wouldnt waste her tonal quality

@hexawira7134

2 жыл бұрын

Miyeon isnt that good vocally, you could use better example like solji or hwasa

@luciaosuji1091

2 жыл бұрын

@@hexawira7134 ?? Miyeon is a great vocalist fuck are u on, if u haven't heard her on Masked Singers just say that💀💀

@emelischulz2719

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't miyeon train in yg lol that's why her voice is similar to yg artists

in conclusion: YG doesn't even care about their vocals or what range their vocals to be shown

Like you said, they aren't a vocal-driven group, but it makes me so sad to see their wasted potential :( I know they don't HAVE to improve, but a part of me just screams "why not?", when they already seem to be getting more popular by the day and are improving in other areas of their work. Also, they all seem genuinely passionate about music. Sadly, k-pop artists usually halt all vocal training once the group debuts, and YG is notorious for wasting potential (ie their previous girl group 2ne1), so a girl can only keep wishing

During The Show period and LSG era, Jisoo was clearly OVERWORKED. She litarly said herself that she FAINTED after the concert.She had to film her drama in the cold winter almost everyday until 4 am and she moved all over korea to film in different ereas. She even went to busan wich is 7 hours from Seoul and did a one week trip to film the drama. With Blackpink, she had to film commercials, american interviews, korean interviews, music shows, magazine cover+interviw variety shows and more with the girls. On her own,she also appeared in some variety shows alone, filmed ads with Dior and Cartier, film the kardtier series, she did solo interviews for magazines and shooted all day. And it top of this, she had to learn the coreagraphies and practice for the show. Do you remember when rosé said that jisoo drinks a lot of milk daily and that her fridge is full if milk? Jisoo said back in 2017 that she drinks milk when she is stressed. She actually wrote a letter on Vlive where she said that she was a tired but no one seemed to care... Anyway this is why her vocals were so weak during The Show.

@carolynyap6378

3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a link of her vlive? Poor Jisoo...

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

Rosé is overworked too. She's preparing for the show at the same time she's working on her solo. She even got sick, over fatigue.

@mushroommagic1697

2 жыл бұрын

Poor girls. This industry is so damn cruel. I wish there was something that could be done about this.

@lalalalalala3246

2 жыл бұрын

SHE FAINTED? I didn't know that, poor jisoo

I may not be a blink in the slightest, but their vocal talent is there. It's just that they lack solid technique and I do believe in order to remain consistent in their performances, the reality is that a really big part of it comes down to becoming the most technically proficient they can be, otherwise bad habits will sneak up. But I do wish them all the best nonetheless.

Yeah I completely agree with you jisoo and Jennie are like powerhouse of blackpink they have very powerful and thick voices but they are always given tender or smooth going songs. If jensoo debut I just hope they would cover a song similar to 16shots cause it will perfectly suit their voices.

@r-recordbreaker947

3 жыл бұрын

So rosé is not a powerhouse vocalist in bp?

@bubbles7538

3 жыл бұрын

@@r-recordbreaker947 she is the most capable vocalist, but her voice is more softer and therefore wouldn't make her a powerhouse type of vocalist

@r-recordbreaker947

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbles7538 if she sing with her lower deep voice and full voice she can. Now she has sofe voice because she's using tight voice not full. But If she sing with full voice and dark voice like what she did on her bridge part on kill this love during coachella she can.

@bubbles7538

3 жыл бұрын

@@r-recordbreaker947 sometimes people just sound slightly different when singing at different ranges. we don't really know what she can do without her current vocal technique (which, does in fact sound gorgeous honestly) so it's not like we can really say what she'd be like, but from what we've seen she has a softer voice and there's nothing wrong with that lol

@prdm9290

3 жыл бұрын

How is being powerful vocalist defined honestly? Because if we take into consideration techniques and singing ability in calling someone a powerhouse vocalist then Rosé fits it the most.

Jisoo has the most unique voice!!

@user-mp5po2pt8d

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe one of the most uniques but not THE most unique. What about people like Dami, Minnie, Hwasa, Soojin...?Their voices aren't also the kind you hear everywhere in kpop...

@121SeedDestiny121

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. Can't even reach low tone voice. Not just enough to say that her voice is unique. It's trash.

@keishalawson3995

3 жыл бұрын

@@121SeedDestiny121 hater. Her voice is unique

@keishalawson3995

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-mp5po2pt8d dont care. Do you know what a opinion is? To them jisoo is the most unique voice

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

@@121SeedDestiny121 You can express your opinion with constructive criticism.

Sometimes i see the girls struggling and I wonder how other blinks can't realized this. Even in interviews, when they sing, the only one that looks more confident is Rosé and sometimes Jennie. I'm afraid of Jisoo's solo, I hope its a good match to her voice. Yg is really wasting their talents. Even if 'Sure Thing' is only a cover, for me is the only song that has truly shown their real potential

YG invests more in their looks and branding than on their actual mental and vocal health. All I've heard makes they seem like the worst employers ever

@monalisakindalisa8644

3 жыл бұрын

( a whole ass essay) Look as someone who knows YG well I can tell you you are wrong for some reasons YG doesn't just care about looks before YG have become such a huge company they were small even if you check out Bigbang and 2ne1 (YG's first idol group before they were a company for underground artists) first music videos they were small budget, YG care more about art which is different than just pretty visuals that most of the kpop idols/companies use, I've followed their idols and the company itself and there's no one like them. It's part of the girls fault cause the company always gives lessons in different sections, last year Jisoo have improved her dancing a lot due to her taking dance lessons in the company so the girls themselves should be the one who knows their weak points and start working on them Jisoo have been training for 5years while Jennie is 6 and they are 4.5 year old group they should be working on themselves more the company won't just look at every artist and make him/her learn how to be an idol again I agree that the company should point out this kinda of things but a big part of it is the idols fault

@monalisakindalisa8644

3 жыл бұрын

And you need to know that this is the idol's world it's full of aesthetics and visuals, YG in general have one of the most richest idols they take only 20% of the money which something that big companies don't even do, they have a channel for their dancers, when Lee Hi left YG she defended the company Akmu renewed their contract with them and said because they give artists their own space, I doubt if all the employees are this bad I just think that BP should push themselves more and I hope you won't see me as someone who is delulu and defends YG

@Maria-nv7bk

3 жыл бұрын

@@monalisakindalisa8644 yeah, no

@beixval6619

3 жыл бұрын

@@monalisakindalisa8644 I have also been in this world of kpop for years and I think it is very obvious that the company makes them focus on unique voices, the same pattern is repeated for years. So it not only remains with the artist but with the company vision in which they focus so much on using techniques that harm the voices of most of their artists, just in case it is not only them, to the point that the artists there think that only that is important.

@monalisakindalisa8644

3 жыл бұрын

@@Maria-nv7bk Ur opinion lol

Jisoo's voice with a jazz song. That would be legendary.

Jisoo it’s mezzo and they want her to sing like a soprano :( (my opinion)

@everytimeishowup2117

3 жыл бұрын

she's a lirico soprano her voice is too light to be a mezzo (someone like moonbyul from mamamoo is a mezzo i think)

@pixelgirl1979

3 жыл бұрын

@@everytimeishowup2117 Mmm I get it but I have my thoughts that she’s a mezzo because of the color of her voice and her vocal register too (and google says that she’s mezzo, but dw not because of google I’m gonna believe it 😹)

@everytimeishowup2117

3 жыл бұрын

@@pixelgirl1979 yea it's pretty deep but not "deep" enough to be a mezzo

@pixelgirl1979

3 жыл бұрын

@@everytimeishowup2117 for me yes I mean how deep you want it to be she’s no a contralto because of her register but a Mezzo because of her color and register

@joshmuller5307

3 жыл бұрын

@@everytimeishowup2117 mezzo isn’t that low either. She is a mezzo.

Rosé has improved a lot. She has been the most stable and has achieved the ability of hitting high notes effortlessly. She has lost her nasal voice too.

it's a yg thing to favour style and unique voices over technique and maintaining their artist's voices. yg literally have vocal coaches and trainers but they seem to be focused on teaching their singers to maintain their unique style, I honestly have no clue how they don't see how damaging that can be, as some of their other boygroup singers have very very dangerous techniques. they have a history of doing this, many of their older vocalists have had very obvious vocal decline in their years at yg.

So I'm not the only that felt Jisoo struggle in du ddu du ddu. It sounds a bit painful in some performances

@elizabeththongam1521

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah she is literally straining in the part where she was wearing pink hear .

Jisoo and Lisa's solo stages during "The Show" were unlistenable to me. I hate to say it, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It was like watching an amateur talent show (aside from Lisa’s dancing portion). Jennie and Rosé had a clear advantage, being able to sing their own solo songs. But they were the clear standouts amongst the 4, which sucks, because they are all so talented.

@everytimeishowup2117

3 жыл бұрын

i didnt mind lisa's the only problem was how she pronounced the words its like something was stuck in her throat Jisoo was very whiny in her solo stage but I still liked it

Tbh the way yg treats their vocals like how my school treated my middle school track team: higher expectations but no change in training

That is a great problem in kpop, they care more about image and presence (it isn't bad at all); but there are idols suffering vocally because some companies make them use a bad tecnique o don't care at all because their voices are "unique" and that's all(yeah, it's true, but at the same time is damaging a voice).

I just wish for deeper voices to get recognized more in Kpop. We can see how companies push forward sweet and high pitched voices more instead of darker colored voices.

As a casual listener, I genuinely believe they will even bigger than they are now if all of them (esp Rose, Jisoo and Jennie) have decent technique. Yes vocal tone is what matter the most but it doesn't change the fact that a proper technique could save your voice for a long time and make you able to sing even more challenging song and explore more genre.

I’ll say it again but Rosé could’ve been very good if she was trained properly, for some reason she reminds me a lot of Dove Cameron both look and vocally wise.

@shibourne2000

3 жыл бұрын

Isnt she actually improving? Someone said that she supported Bb4 and B4s easily recently. And an actual vocal coach analysed her vocals and said she's actually doing fine.

@izonexbae

3 жыл бұрын

@@shibourne2000 ofcourse she’s doing fine since she isn’t doing too vocally demanding stuff, her bb4’s have a degree but they are still inconsistent. Her B4’s are the same

@ellily5843

3 жыл бұрын

How come she looks like dove Cameron know way like they both are the opposite I have been dove and blackpink fan since way back

I mean people often forget that Jennie literally got no vocal training before debut and she herself said that she only just started singing when they debuted. Although I think that every single trainee goes through the process of basic vocal training, but that can't be compared with true and real training. With that said, I think what Jennie does is AMAZING. Proves she's a natural.

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

Eh. Yge artist train with different position. That's why yg main singer, can rap and dance, main rapper can sing and dance, main dancer can rap and sing, visual can sing, rap and dance. And she train 5 years, with 5 years training it's very impossible if they only train her rap and dance? And they didn't train her vocal? When their former vocal coach who train jyp artist say she train all blackpink member in vocal and she even choose rosé has a nice voice . So it's very impossible if jennie didn't received vocal training. Haha sorry but i will never believe even jennie say it 🤣 artist/celebrity can lie too duh.

@musiclearner6799

2 жыл бұрын

@@r-recordbreaker947 Well I don't think she ever said that she didn't sing before debut ( Cuz that's pretty dumb cuz without atleast basic vocal training there is NO WAY she will debut that too in the big 3 )

@mann7298

2 жыл бұрын

i wouldnt say shes a natural, if she was she would sound better. she has pontential and needs guidance and practise to become great. shes not a strong vocalist

@istanaqueenwhohaswsnols2249

2 жыл бұрын

@@r-recordbreaker947i mean i can sing without a proper vocal training and i have a natural talent in singing but singing lessons are technical and deep and not just about musical notes but learning vocal calisthenics compared to just introducing you to music(vocal wise) so maybe that's what she's pertaining to with having "no"

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

@@istanaqueenwhohaswsnols2249 most of people can sing but not really a singer. And obviously jennie receive a vocal training not only rap. Their old vocal coach who train jyp artist said she train all bp members so mean she's lying? They train jennie rap more but they also train her singing voice.

Jennie is my favorite cuz her singing is good cuz she have a beautiful deep voice which help her and she's an amazing rapper

@coreread8848

2 жыл бұрын

rosé too has a deep voice but yg won't let her use it in their songs.. we had a glimpse of it though in some portions of KTL

Rose... she is not a singer ... NOT AT ALL an IDOL ... she is a musician ...and she knows it < 3

@brianna058

3 жыл бұрын

they literally all are but in different ways.

@semiology.

3 жыл бұрын

she's still a singer and idol as long as she's in the kpop industry

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

@@semiology. crazy he means that rosé is not only singer but musician too. Singer and musician.

The way I see it, there’s different types of girl groups, in western and eastern pop. There’s groups which are primarily focused on vocals, harmonies and musicality (En Vogue, All Saints, SWV, etc,), there’s groups that are more focused on Dance, Visuals and Performance (BlackPink, Pussycat Dolls, 2NE1, etc.) and there’s some who have a mix of both, though some do it better than others (Spice Girls, Little Mix, Fifth Harmony, Destiny’s Child, etc.). That’s not to say that “vocal” groups can’t put on great shows or “Performance” groups don’t have great vocalists.

@imnotacat3798

3 жыл бұрын

@Elegant Oprah Ain’t no other fan should do a vid on En Vogue like he did with LM, Fifth Harmony and Mamamoo 👀👀👀

Jisoo had amazing vocals on some performances (like yuki no hana that is on the lower register vocally) but you are right she struggles sometimes and it's because yg don't focus on vocal lessons . I hope jisoo took vocal lessons if yg don't have vocal coaches for them . I believe she will improve . (Sorry my English is not that good , hope my comment makes sense.)

@winterkrash

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they should utilize Jisoo’s lower range. Her best performances are the ones where she perform in her lower range-e.g., her covers with Rosé, Kiss and Make Up. She has a beautiful raspy voice with a lot of color and texture. One of the most unique voices in kpop.

To be honest Rose’s in regards to her solo gone and to the ground, I feel like her vocals improved a lot and she doesn’t sound as nasally as she used to. Her voice is quite pleasant there Im sad YG doesn’t care about the girls. I mean they were in a long hiatus in the past. YG could have used that time

There is soooooo much miss info about their singing styles here. About jisoos voice : tension in the voice can be both intentional and unintentional, same with cracks. Tho she seems to struggle a little with lines that require a higher range, she seems to manage. just because she is at times “struggling”, doesn’t mean she is screaming or that it isn’t in her range. It means that she has to consentrate more and have a tighter airflow. She is scrunching her nose because of where she places her sound, not because she is struggling. And also Cracking is a style choice, at least in the way Jisoo does it. She often does this In their tracks, and I don’t think the producers would leave in a unintentional voice crack like that. Her “tension” is what is called bellyache technique and combined with cracking her voice make her sound very emotional and on the verge of crying. Improvements since debut: in their debut stages and records Jisoo lacks the proper breath support and therefor her voice comes of as weak and nasal, a lot like Mina in twice (In earlier years). Over the years she has found her voice and techniques that suits what she wants to convey. Tho her placements sometimes are a bit too nasal and at times hinder her from properly reaching notes she has a nice husky tone that just need some more training and reinforcement. Lisa: lisa when singing has a strong yet young sound. She has poper breath support for the most part. She is the least nasal out of all the members. With is neither good or bad. She has great intonations and her voice is a nice contrast to Rose’s voice (will talk about later). Her voice has a natural vibrato, however she has not learned to utilize it properly. She has an average range, and a good tone and sense of pitch. Lisa is an average vocalist and this what should be expected from kpop idols who aren’t vocalists. I believe we haven’t seen enough of her, and that her potential when it comes to singing is great she has a great foundation she just needs to further develop. I have seen a lot worse singers than Lisa, but also a lot better. Again her potential is huge. Improvements since debut: confident, my vocal teacher used to say “confidence is 30% of a performance”. she stopped using that cute voice going for a more strong one. 👏breath support👏👏 Jennie: Jennie has a diverse tone that can with ease slither into any genre. And she easily adapts energy and intonations when needed. Jennies problem is that hr rap techniques and singing techniques are quite different and she often confuses the two. Her rap style is very nasal, and her vowels change completely from when she is singing from closed to open. Tho Jennie has a some what of a nasal placement when singing she more regularly goes into her chest voice. To put it simply when Jennie is singing her voice is fuller, and a little more open. She also adds belly ache to her voice, and more irregularly than jisoo ads cracks. Her voice is a heavy one with quite an impact. So when she sounds like she is yelling she is actually just using the wrong technique and unknowingly switching to a nasal and closed tone. She has a wide range tho her control in her higher range is not nearly as good as it could be. And i believe developing a stronger lower register would only benefit her. She also has at times very weird vowel placements which make her sound like she is mumbling or yelling, when she really isn’t. Improvements:👏breath support👏 developing a sound that suits her. Confidence in her voice. She is not as breathy anymore. Rose: she has a verryyyyyy nasal placement, and at times it is beautiful and nice but, overusing it sound tacky. I am impressed with her range as a soprano it is difficult to develop a good control over the lower range. I do believe she is slightly over singing stuff meaning she is adding things with her voice and modulating things were it isn’t needed. Tho in “on the ground” she really has been able to show of her true abilities as well as her unique tone. She is using a lot more heavy placements and we are seeing more rose rather then yg in her technique and style. she has very closed vowels, and tend to be a little to quiet when singing, but we have seen that she can get very loud and piercing. I wish she varied her tone more to the style she was singing. (I’m getting picky Ik). I wish I could say rose technique is healthy, but she lacks a lot of breath support which will resolve in a lot of straining. Tho this has gotten better since debut. Improvement: developing proper breath support👏 developing a more healthy technique, (nasal placement is a technique, overusing And not having proper breath control is what’s bad) developing a sound. Edit: I wrote this at three in the morning so the initial post had A LOT of errors. That is why this post is edited. I also wanted to add, that the critique I gave to rose does not mean she isn’t a great vocalist. She had a great control over her voice, a beautiful tone and her voice really is mesmerizing. But I believe that there is always more to be learned. And that a skill is never fully mastered.

@jnkverse9078

3 жыл бұрын

This is exactly it and I think you have to know the girls to know this. Thank you for your explanation

@Md5438-

3 жыл бұрын

Very good observation and analysis. 👍

@renate9624

3 жыл бұрын

@@jnkverse9078 no problem,🥰 at this moment I am taking an education in music, and specialising in singing. I’m certainly not an expert but we have to learn at least the basics in terms of vocal technique. So a professional might tell you more about this but this is the basics, and stuff I’ve observed. But I just hate seeing misinformation beeing spread around.

@safinakousar4121

3 жыл бұрын

Blackpink vocals are fine its just that singing and dancing its pretty hard

@renate9624

3 жыл бұрын

@@safinakousar4121 Yes this is vert true and idols dont Get enough credit for it. However this is generally talking about their vocals. There is a reason Lisa and jisoo is the most stable and rose isn’t. Yes stamina plays a big part, but jisoo has admitted to not working out to much, apart from dancing. Lisa does a lot of pilates, dancing and boxing I believe. Except for dancing none of them really do any cardio workout, which could help improv stability. But Lisa and jisoo has the most consistent breath support, which is why they are very stable. Also rose voice is very quiet and is a very vulnerable to being pitchy. (Not because she is bad, but because her stylistic choices) and with a average stamina and non consistent breath support she falls short in stability. Much like Minnie from g-idle, she is not a bad vocalist but when singing and dancing she is prone to being more pitchy than say yuqi. Stability and skill I not the same. I am not in anyway bashing the girls but this video had a lot of false info and was making the girls seem worse than they are.

Sadly I don't believe they will get any vocal training soon since they are already marketed as a dancer group. There was a documentair I was before aboit kpop in training. They are all trained in both singing and dancing. Then they are categorised either as a dancer or singer. Then they will mainly focus on training in one category. Ofcourse these information are allegedly.

This is actually common in kpop because I’ve heard that a lot of companies have said “we can auto tune your singing but we can’t make your dance look better on stage” so the companies end up focusing more on dance then vocals

I agree with all of your points. I love their music, charisma, stage presence, personality but their vocal ability seems they are not focus on improving it. and I hope this constructive criticism will reach their management.

Wow u posted this like 5 minutes after I saw the community post. This is what I call timing 👏👏👏

Rose has very good technique, but I prefer Jennie's tone especially when she's singing in her appropriate vocal range (lower mezzo). Jisoo has decent range and texture but her technique is so bad its distracting.

@Yes-bl7mp

3 жыл бұрын

thats the thing tho. Jisoo doesnt have a technique. Its clear to see that yg failed in the department. They didnt teach the girls proper techniques to maintain their voices. They all have beautiful voices but nothing to help them keep the strength that they need to perform with those beautiful voices. Instead they get weaker bc of nonproper training. However, Rosé has improved a lot. I personally like all of their voices. Theyre all distinct. I just wish YG and YGE cared more for their artists sometimes

@beastkhadka4442

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yes-bl7mp jisoo doesnt have technique WHAT are you kidding me?? have you listened to her

@keishalawson3995

3 жыл бұрын

@@beastkhadka4442 yes we have listened to her. And she doesnt have a technique

@beastkhadka4442

3 жыл бұрын

@@keishalawson3995 So you are telling me someone can sing that beautifully without having a proper technique huh. Is everyone in this comment section is just vocal expert when it comes to who has technique or who doesnt. If you dont like her singing then just say that instead of spreading victim mentality every fucking where.

@r-recordbreaker947

3 жыл бұрын

@@beastkhadka4442 having nice voice doesn't mean her technique is better.

i agree jisoo is straining sooooo much. the range is just too much for her, she has been getting better than 4D era on that range, but technique wise there really needs more training. she's is my favorite vocalist in blackpink, it's amazing but those range that is forced is terrible for her.

Jisoo is so underrated, her voice is amazing! I love her lines in kiss and make up.

@megan5529

2 жыл бұрын

She’s underrated for a reason

@Pavithra-ox3di

2 жыл бұрын

No one is UnDeRrAtEd in B.P

@yuktasalvi7945

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan5529 and you hate her for another reason?

@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuktasalvi7945 that person is literally against jisoo lol

@baffah3991

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan5529 fool

It would be also good to mention that there is no other group that could pull off something like Pretty Savage or in general any BLACKPINK's more hip-hop based song. They may not be the strongest group vocally, but no one can deny that They're unique in Their own way. They have a really strong rap line and it makes them outstanding, because usually girl groups are more acknowledged with vocals rather then raps.

@JB-bl7xf

3 жыл бұрын

They actually have the best female rapline in kpop tho

@MoonLight-dx6gf

3 жыл бұрын

@@JB-bl7xf Ikr? Even tho There are groups like for example G-Idle where Soyeon is a better rapper then Jennie, but there is no group where every rap line member could be a main rapper.

@shibourne2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@MoonLight-dx6gf true. They set the bar high for a girl group rapline. I would say it's their strongest area along with their stage presence.

@MoonLight-dx6gf

3 жыл бұрын

@@shibourne2000 Facts

@MoonLight-dx6gf

3 жыл бұрын

@•Joelle• A ? That's why I said that Soyeon is a better rapper then Jennie, but BLACKPINK's rap line is stronger then G-Idle's. I don't understand what You tried to say 😕

Tbh this video is extremely biased knowing Jennie only started singing after her debut as she used to be more rap focus but she has the best improvement especially in the new album. Many vocal coaches have talked about how they loved the growth in jennie's voice. She's the main rapper that gets the same highnotes as the main vocalist, and it's not easy. The way she can sing while dancing and carry all those highnotes is not something an average singer can do.

@r-recordbreaker947

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy he talking about how struggle your bias just because she has nice voice doesn't mean she has no weakness 🤣🤣🤣 maybe you focus nore on her voice sound but you didn't notice if she hit those notes with healthy voice and technique.

@ruebze

2 жыл бұрын

What you said does have a point (she's starting as the main rapper) as well as pointing out that Jennie (especially) need more help to manage her vocals given that she got lines for the main vocalist as you said so. As I watched BP Netflix documentary Light Up The Sky, am getting worried for Jennie as she said it herself that she's out of breath easier, can't jump higher etc. Her stamina probably the weakest from the rest and maybe, just maybe if she has better control with her voice doing that main vocalist lines while dancing, then she can manage her stamina better. We all saw so many clips of her suffering at the end of the show (sometimes in the middle of the show) as she's so out of breath in the verge of almost fainting. I love Jennie the most and it hurt me seeing her like that.

@angelinebena9675

Жыл бұрын

He just points out that she needs coaching to be amazing, which is not anything bad when we know YG doesn’t try to coach her

I actually think Jennie has a really good voice and she does good at being a vocal but yeah they need more vocal training

I love how you constantly emphasize good technique on your channel. I play tennis and whenever I get too much fufu, its always back to proper technique. Beforw you can move to the next step, technique is always important

For me, their vocals and breath control aren't stagnant, they're worse than before. I've realized that, even with rapping, while they had the ability to perform a whole song during their first 2 years, now (especially since d4 era) they skip some lines to breathe even though they dance with "less energy" than in their debut. I just wish yg would give them a vocal coach bc they have so much potencial 😭

why is this channel underrated? i don't understand! this needs more views and this man deserves more support👍

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

😇

I totally agree, and your video was respectful. Those girls need to see this!

I love Jisoo's distinct voice and her vocal talent is just wasted because she does have a deeper voice but they keep raising her voice which just doesnt match her sound at all

The Problem i see with their singing Style, it's because it's not THEIR singing style, it's YG singing Style. Everyone who are into kpop long enough know that the BIG 4 (now with big hit) have their "company signature singing style" ... Not to compare, but when 2ne1 debuted they were older and had trained longer that BP, so their voices were already developed and they had the technique to sing in YG style without hurting their voices ( except for bom, but that a whole other story.) In BP i see voices that are not yet totally developed and are pushed to sing in the YG style.... Which is commonly reffer as the "sweet potato tired hipster" ( see chutter channel) They have this thing of Putting a lot of force in to the mid section of the line and not finishing it properly.... their notes never feel all the way Shut is always this Open ended way of singing...meaning when they are doing a high note/part they don't have a polish end they just keeep pushing till the sound goes away.... anyways.. LOVE jisoo vocal she have something in common with yuqi with her more lower and raspy tone.... but her voice is not being cared to preserve that someway

Can you analyze Red Velvet next? They’re known for their vocals and their interesting concepts. Please check them out, I think you’ll like them

20 seconds in and I am already screaming "I agreeeeeeee" ahahah I love the way you openly give an honest opinion about voices ! keep going

2:17 woah i didn’t know Lisa could sing like that

@papapauuuuuu

3 жыл бұрын

gurl its pre-recorded performance so that’s her voice but not live

@meIatonin

3 жыл бұрын

@@papapauuuuuu oh lmaooo

@hsnrb9959

3 жыл бұрын

She sounds Disney channel level, like High School Musical Sharpey Evans. Not that impressive

@meIatonin

3 жыл бұрын

@@hsnrb9959 true but it’s an upgrade from how she sang in her Say So performance, plus i like the tone of her voice and think she has potential

@mas_uplok_ka

3 жыл бұрын

@@papapauuuuuu pre recorded or not it is still her voice, you're talking as if she used someone else's voice to record that.

I can definitely agree. When I watched the training program, it was only an hour of vocal training. I know that in kpop the main thing is dancing and visuals, but it's still music, and one hour a day with 6 hours of dancing I don't think is enough. They definitely need to focus on their vocals. And I'm a fan, but I have to admit that they can do better, especially after training a little more

@bristidas322

3 жыл бұрын

What training program ? I think trainees should have atleast 2.5 hours of vocal training

I want to take some time, and give you props for the consistent and dedicated content no matter what. As we all know, things has been happening, and the fact that you stay dedicated needs applause. And as always, sending lots of love and support 😘❤️♥️

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, made my day!🥺

Great video! I really enjoyed your last video about songbird supremes. It would be cool to see you do something similar with the recent vocals from ex-acts and how they hold up to their past efforts. Especially with Miley Cyrus’ new rock album.

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

👀 I’ll see what I can do😉

@galenned

3 жыл бұрын

@@aintnootherfan !!! thank you for considering it, I will wait excitedly

Idk if Jisoo is better than jennie, jennie is more grounded, both of their freedom range stops at D5 but Jennie's seems to have healthier placement and technique

@Itachi-ld2rg

3 жыл бұрын

Of course jisoo is far better. She has a wider range as well. And why do you say Jennie has better technique? She was never trained vocally before debut (she said it herself) and that shows. She literally just shouts all the time when she has to go higher and is really unstable. You know she was not a lead vocal when bp debuted.

@Yana-qq7yc

3 жыл бұрын

Jennie does shout her line ALOT lol. Maybe because she's more hyper on stage (?).

@ace0-017

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I kind of agree. I think he placed Jisoo higher than Jennie coz she is more melodic.

@Nissilly

3 жыл бұрын

Jisoo voice is smooth and her range is very well, the stability of her voice is incredible! Her voice is like heavy. Jennie voice is really strong she also has a good range too. But, jisoo is on another level for me. Her voice is just unique, its heavy but really melodic. She has so many potential n skill. Also jennie is good too, dont blame me. I love both of 'em.

@justlikeme2309

3 жыл бұрын

Jennie and Jisoo are not far from each other. Both no support. But Jennie is slightly better than Jisoo because she is showing potential in supporting notes.

Day 20 of asking him to react to Red Velvet

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm stubborn, ok? lol

@izonexbae

3 жыл бұрын

@@aintnootherfan it’s okay im stubborn aswell🙌

@mikezuela25

3 жыл бұрын

hahahaha. requesting this as well. anyway, Wendy was about to solo debut. I am so excited

@broodingwallflower2764

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha thank you lmao

During the d4 she sounded very struggling. She sounded like she was straining lack of control was very strong. But during the album her voice literally improved so much. I was so proud

@tireemuteze9853

3 жыл бұрын

who jennie rose lisa or jisoo?

@wafetteb8734

3 жыл бұрын

Well Jisoo was hella busy...she always sounded hella good in D4 but this time in the show as you said she was sgruggling. Knowing that she had covers magazines, Snowdrop filming, rehearsals and the filming of the episodes of her collab game, I guess it's bc she was really tired.

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

@@tireemuteze9853 Jisoo.

@ruthwamugogathuku3768

3 жыл бұрын

@@ygpml no actually rosé

@r-recordbreaker947

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruthwamugogathuku3768 you listen to fake mr remove? Hahaha

Am so happy you posted , like you where giving us lives but I wanted a video , also out of all the vocal Channels I have seen you are the best one ❤️❤️

Yg needs to cut down on making the aesthetics everything and help them with their vocals where it’s needed. Also I think jisoo suits lower tones better better, seems less difficult for her

Thank you for this

Recent subscriber here. 100% agree with this video 🔥

I really appreciate how nice you are 🤧 everything you said was true even though it’s a hard pill to swallow and can easily be turned to hate. Hopefully they can focus more on vocals in the future, I really don’t know what YG is doing. 😬

I prefer bp vocals cause they have like unique voices, and we don't know what happens behind 😌 we don't know if they took vocals lesson or not! Or maybe in the concert jisoo was tired . Bp is the group that receive most hate in the industry and its so sad cause the are really talented.( soorry for my english ) Im spanich speaker 😊

@anitarivas9604

3 жыл бұрын

@Elegant Oprah wth?? I don't uderstand your point 🤣🤡

@judezajairalabadan6641

3 жыл бұрын

@@anitarivas9604 She means that vocals should not be subjective as it it should be more objective. It doesn't meant that they have unique voices or you like their voice, it means that they are already okay. In their vocals, there is still a lot of needs of improvement.

@safinakousar4121

3 жыл бұрын

@Elegant Oprah dancing and singing is pretty hard you will get tired after dancing a pretty hard cheography and this will cause you to focus on your breathing and then the vocal won't be as good or your voice might crack. Watch Jisoo clarity Rosè childish adult, la vida loca Lisa loser cover Jennie ILY They were standing on the spot and were not tired causing them to hit the vocal perfectly and make it sound very stable

They are super rich, have had most free time in their career compared to other popular Kpop idols who have had tons of releases and activity, I don't think YG can be blamed at this point in their career, sure at the start they were responsible, but now they are all big stars individually and already seniors within the kpop industry who can afford to buy the best vocal coach in Korea or even in the world, the sole responsibility of improving depends on them. The same goes to every other big artist or big group.

@pheyie

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you know much about blackpink. Even tho they don't comeback as much, there other engagements keep them very busy especially recently. They have tons of endorsements & activities outside the group, so they don't have the free time you think they have

@funkystyle7249

3 жыл бұрын

@@pheyie I am not talking about recently, its common knowledge in Kpop that BP have had the longest gaps between comebacks for a popular group, they have released far too little compared to peers of top popularity. They have had more free time compared to others. Them getting busy with endorsements to be called 'hectic' is also pretty recent, i would say post 2019, they debuted 2016. But even now endorsements don't really take up 365 days of their schedule and at this point they are senior enough to choose what they want to do or not. All the other popular groups also direly require Vocal lessons too , unlike BP at the start of their career they hardly had time to breath, but now they are soley responsible for their own poor technical skills now.

@pheyie

3 жыл бұрын

@@funkystyle7249 still, you can't conclude. I'm sure they will love to improve themselves. Lisa literally said in an interview that she would love to sing better. But no one knows what goes on behind the scenes. So don't conclude like that.

i'm early for once. Love your channel , you've really blossomed.

This is a beautiful explained video. I really like it a lot. I have always thought that the pieces or parts of the song jennie n jisoo get r a bit hard for most of the times. kpop as a whole have this obsession with higher tone singing (even tho bp songs r mostly mid-range) which I find very weird cause many idols lose their vocal colors n beauty to sing in a higher tone. Especially jisoo, she has one of the best lower tone I have heard in kpop n yt she is forced to sing in a discomfortable range. N Jennie has a beautiful mid-range vocal n yt she is forced to go a lot more higher n she normally does. In rosé case I think she has finally got comfortable with her voice n is sound more beautiful every day. Lisa sings in the most safe way n I think the more she becomes confident in her singing the more she will get better. Anyways love ur video.

@gayscomdio

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

K-pop songs remind me songs from chipmunks movies, where they would cover popular song with over the top high key sounds, but K-pop stars sound like they are off key and always struggle to sing. Maybe that an appeal somehow.

Jisoo has been my bias ever since she first raised her umbrella in DDU-DU DDU-DU. How often in any kind of pop music do you come across a voice that is uniquely deep or can reach those low notes? I would compare Jisoo and Rosé to the two instruments, Viola and Violin, respectively. The Violin is known for being the Soprano of the string orchestra, able to reach the high notes, and having a timbre that cuts through the music sharply and sweetly. The Viola is a slightly bigger Violin that is played the same way, but one of the strings is thicker which allows it to reach those lower notes, harmonize, and hold the orchestra together like glue. It's the alto. The Viola isn't as popular an instrument as the Violin since high notes are more favored by the general public, but since it's the instrument I played in school, I loved Jisoo because her tone reminded me of a Viola. I loved her, even more, when I learned that she kind of plays that role in the group: the glue between them. Throughout the years, I've watched their live performances on KZread and compilations of them singing beautifully and I still find some clips here and there that stuns me. I'm still OT4 and all of them continue to impress me: vocal tones, singing, rapping, dancing, personalities, etc. The clips of Jisoo keep reminding me of her potential, but I do feel like something is holding her back or at least not encouraging her to reach farther up. With the Online Concert, I feel like Jisoo's weaknesses were really exposed. I always considered her like an underdog. She's not perfect and she might not be on the vocal level of Rosé, but I knew that and thought that just meant one day she'd show us just how far she really can go. But there I was watching the online concert and she sounded like she was in literal pain. Her voice was strained and sounded much more nasally than I've ever heard it before. There's nothing wrong with nasality but I could tell something was different. I thought to myself: "Well, she's been practicing and filming a lot for her new k-drama, Snowdrop, so some imperfections from fatigue are to be expected." But she still didn't sound that well and it had me concerned. I don't know what YG Entertainment plans to do. Does she have a vocal coach already? Can they get a new vocal coach? If she doesn't have one, does she want a vocal coach? Does she have a say in this? I don't know, but I hope they consider giving the pinks more vocal training. I wait years for comebacks and I still support them over all other groups because of how much they mean to me and I just want to see them do well and feel and sound relaxed.

@yuktasalvi7945

2 жыл бұрын

honestly now that she will be having a solo soon, i hope her voice gets utilized well from what i understand she gets a lot of hate for her voice i loved her in lsg personally for me her best performance along with yuki no hana cover and kiss and make up

Okay I know it is out of context but I hope to know your opinion on Rosé solo like how much would you rate them And your opinions are absolutely right respectful and constructive the girls should take more vocal training part of it is YG's fault and part of it is the girls fault honestly cause the company is here having many vocal coaches and classes they can go anywhere they want, Blackpink in general have a lot of time as an idols it's not like they are overworked I think they are having a lot of potential and they need to work on that too it's not hard to take more singing classes and develop your ownself so I won't blame YG for that thing, I think that Blackpink are more of a rapping group as well but having one member who raps and the main don't is an issue BP used to have songs with 2rap verse especially in their beginnings they need to make that come back And thank you for understanding the people you are commenting about like you always gets a lot of immature comments when in reality you balance between the difference of being a vocalist or being an idol/artist and people don't understand you, people will take this video as a chance to drag/defend Blackpink and you being a hater when in reality it isn't you are just giving a valid criticism whether it's for Blackpink or for us as fans/viewers I hope you make vocal videos for beginners cause I think you are a great vocal coach and we can benefit from you❤

@aintnootherfan

3 жыл бұрын

Both "On The Ground" and "Gone" have grown on me tremendously since my first initial listen! I love both songs, I hear a lot of Rosé in them, she really sells them vocally and it really feels like it is way more genuine, authentic and heartfelt than Jennie's "Solo" (even though I enjoy "Solo") I'm really looking forward to hearing more from Rosé and other girls as well, her solo really made me curious and excited about what's to come for BLACKPINK and each member individually. Hope it makes sense:)

@monalisakindalisa8644

3 жыл бұрын

@@aintnootherfan Good to know both of your sides vocally and musically and I agree so much with what you said. It totally made sense and I'm looking forward for Blackpink solos as well, I want them to put more of their personalities and talent. I'm glad you liked the girls more❤

@r-recordbreaker947

3 жыл бұрын

@@aintnootherfan thank you for appreciating both GONE and OTG. Because some of blinks don't like OTG coz they want Upbeat song and intruments like jennie solo. And prefer gone because gone is about love.

I WANT MORE PINK CONCEPTS from them. I know that they prefer black concepts but it's not unique anymore and it's boring. Pink concepts can be refreshing in an industry so saturated with girl/teen crush and it'll allow them to experiment with other music styles other than edm. Pink concepts also allow us fans to enjoy their vocal since black concepts focuses on their dance skills. As a vocal stan, I NEED MORE PINK CONCEPTS

@sanspurple5621

3 жыл бұрын

As if it's your last is their best tt!!

@tea-rh4cu

3 жыл бұрын

just because they’re usually doing a black concept, doesn’t mean they prefer it more. jennie herself has said that she wants to try a more girly type of concept. also, i don’t think i can agree with you saying that black concept is boring. it will never be.

@Yana-qq7yc

3 жыл бұрын

@@tea-rh4cu not boring per se but it's over done and you can't deny it honestly.

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

It's getting boring because rookie girl groups are trying to follow BLACKPINK's concept now. To be honest, before BLACKPINK debuted, all I can see is cute concepts. But it changed when BLACKPINK debuted with a powerful Boombayah. They are the only girl group back then who's really unique. But when 4th gen. came, they are now following BLACKPINK's concept. Just like ITZY. They are not a copy or whatever, but BLACKPINK is JYP's inspiration for ITZY.

@sanspurple5621

3 жыл бұрын

@@ygpml itzy's concept has nothing to do with bp, it's teen crush. You could've use other groups as an example

Why they have to train? When their pretty face and ideal shape can sell this much? Don't be so ridiculous that you guys 100 millions people in this world like them bc of their talent. This is 1 of the most lie in this world, there are many people who are more talent than them but don't have pretty face and ideal shape like them so people don't even recognize. This generation, the most important thing are not ability but it is beauty, shape, fashion, appearance and trends. That's it! YG spent a lot of money to do mass marketing for them, let them into fashion industry, commercial and many more. It's better than get them to practice in the studio all day. They can sell and popular bc they look glamorous, their image is beautiful female with confidence and look expensive, people want it, like it, love it although they did crack live but blinks still screamed and praised them like they did so fantastic live. So tell me again what is the point that they should have more practice? Even you did this video, people still like them and will go to their concert bc in the reality people don't care about it.

@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407

2 жыл бұрын

you mean bp only have pretty face ?

@bewhoiam7130

2 жыл бұрын

@@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407 They have pretty face with confidence, swag look, skinny shape, average skills, and mass commercial. What I mean these days, nobody cares about ability and talent. They care about appearance, fashion, sexual things. So why need to focus on practice? When focus on commercial and fashion make more money. Ps. I've known kpop for 18 yrs, to me they have average skills. Compare to 2ne1 ........ I don't see their spirit and passion like 2ne1. I don't say they are bad, they just don't meet my expectation. And I don't think they need to practice when you guys already like them this way.

@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407

2 жыл бұрын

@@bewhoiam7130 it's ok cause it's your opinion but for me they deserve the love and attention

@bewhoiam7130

2 жыл бұрын

@@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407 I never said they don't. In this world there are many talent people who should deserve love and attention. Especially who can really sing live and produce their own music. Yep, it's only my personal opinion. You don't have to care. I'm not a kid, teenager or hungry celebrities who want likes and views so I said what from my perspective who have seen a lot without any biases. It's normal, you support who you think you like right now. Everything about them is good and perfect for you.

YG never care about vocal techniques, all they care about is the aesthetic of uniqueness in his groups. Even in 2NE1, they don't have proper training. They even overworked Bom to the point her lymph nodes swollen which forces her to get surgery due to swelling conditions. I just hope YG give BP at least a decent training.

Lots of blinks might come at you for this. You are very brave but constructive criticism is never bad!

@milesdegenhardt5419

3 жыл бұрын

i think its not even criticism towards blackpink but towards YG for letting down their artists and risking their "voices"

@ygpml

3 жыл бұрын

But good news! Look at the comments, no one is attacking the channel and even praising the channel for giving constructive criticisms.

The key thing to remember is that Yang Hyun-Suk (aka YG) is a BUSINESSMAN. He cares about what brings in money, and ONLY about what brings in money. If he thinks vocal training isn't worth it, what he says goes, even if he doesn't appreciate its value. It's a sad situation.

5 days late and I would have assumed you would have gotten a ton of hate on this one. Glad to see you didn’t.

The fact that if you just said any of these things on any other platform you'll probably get your account suspended

In my opinion, YG doesn't train properly when it comes to vocals. Especially when you are an established artist, YG start to give you that freedom to grow by yourself, and maybe they just go to the agency to train dance choreographies, to record songs, etc. But when it comes to Vocals, YG feels like they learnt everything in their trainee days and that's enough. Example: Park Bom, her voice sounded even healthier before debut, and yes, her voice became more unique after debut, but now in 2021, her voice sounds kinda demaged and that's what scares me could happen to BP members

I love love your channel...I learn a lotttttt 💕

You've opened my eyes to how they sound live. They definitely could use some improvement and more vocal training.