Beth is one of the most unlikeable characters I have ever seen.

@king_big_pp

5 жыл бұрын

You must not watch a lot of shows or movies. She was definitely a shitty person, but not like... out of the ordinary for shitty characters. Just your average everyday cheater-liar-coward.

@amirlorenzo7551

5 жыл бұрын

Commander_Ninja It’s his opinion.

@thepiperreport8198

5 жыл бұрын

It's sad too because the guy gets screwed at the end, trapped in a small cabin where 1 minute = 1 thousand years, and nothing but the same song over and over. What he did was wrong, yes, but it was Beth's fault mostly. If she would have just been honest things would have been better

@ninjastorm540

5 жыл бұрын

@Alam Qara Completely agree, if she just told him the truth he would have probably ended things himself. But she ghosted him out of no where then kept him guessing that she had his kid. Who can really fault him for trying to love and care for his kid. Its just sad how bad of a turn it took

@ninjastorm540

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulhurley6713 She didnt control his actions but she was a HUGE catalyst for it. First of all she blocked him for an argument and said she would unblock him in the morning then disappeared on him leaving everything heavily unresolved so of course he would look for her. Also she potentially had his child which is a huge factor to keep trying to reach her. He even tried to be content with just watching his potential daughter in a way to try and stay in his kids life later rather than try and be with her anymore, it was more about the kid later. The torture she put him through with all her impulsive and cowardly actions to the point of finding out she wasnt his kid drove him over. The whole situation could have ended much better if she just told him the truth from the start. He probably would have just ended things with her himself and tried to move on knowing shes a cheater with another mans kid. And no he probably wouldnt kill her cause he was still in the right state of mind during that time. Its the years of hope and obsession to see and be with his potential child and then the huge shock that made him impulsively kill her dad.

I think by far the darkest torture in the series is on the AI at the end of the episode. Basically millions of years of unending torture in a small space and annoying music. Horrible

@Jake-pr7js

7 жыл бұрын

shaun Brown i love that song lol

@smileyfake8453

7 жыл бұрын

Would you after all eternity x 1000?

@smileyfake8453

7 жыл бұрын

***** This punishment doesn't make sense. They aren't punishing him they are punishing some code with emotion

@SB-ki3jw

7 жыл бұрын

It's also about devaluing the humanity of the cookie. Pretty common throughout history for people to be mistreated on the grounds that they are less than human.

@bearsleethere6996

7 жыл бұрын

But its not torture of a person. The cookie only has simulated emotions and sensations, it doesn't actually feel things to the same capacity that we do. The episode never comes close to clarifying how "real" these cookies are in terms of realistically simulating the nervous system, adrenaline, insanity, etc etc.

Those 2 detectives at the end of the episode deserve hell

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

True.

@pox9127

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone from white bear deserves hell

@markjustdiditc

4 жыл бұрын

Why? sure they took advantage of the cookie thing, but that man, killed an elderly and left a child, not even child... close to toddler to die in the snow... I mean why wouldnt you atleast grab the kid, bury the grandpa... and start anew life .

@jrandrewortega2861

4 жыл бұрын

@@markjustdiditc Meh. The grandfather was a jackhole.

@Tickerchicken

4 жыл бұрын

@@markjustdiditc he pulled out a knife on him before trying to reason with him

Listening to 'I Wish It Was Christmas Every Day' in the room you unintentionally murdered the father of your recently deceased ex-girlfriend with a snow globe that was supposed to be a gift to your child whom you have never seen the face of who turned out to not be your child and the body of that child lays dead outside your window for one-thousand years per real-life second for the entirety of christmas until some bloke returns to their job at which you will probably be deleted from existance. Harsh.

@michaelweston409

7 жыл бұрын

Sweddy seems real harsh don't it. I don't wanna live in this future world

@astrowiz3544

7 жыл бұрын

RPGMaster people keep saying that about every episode and while thats relevant for episodes like nosedive, dude, we cant extract cookies from people and torture someone's own consciousness for millions of years, we literally cant do that! So no, the world is not like that. Not yet.

@The482075

6 жыл бұрын

Worst of all that computer coding did not do anything. It merely has been tricked into thinking it is Joe. So that is an innocent person being tortured.

@Stunnzu

6 жыл бұрын

it was 1000 years per minute, not second

@IKoniChiWa

6 жыл бұрын

OMG I felt it

What bugs me is the fact that blocking the guy at the end from everyone really doesn't make any sense. He can still interact with society, just can't communicate with anyone. It's really only a matter of time before he gets fed up and starts killing people, seeing as they're just dehumanized blobs now and he's marked as 'dangerous'. Like how many years would it realistically be before he just says f it I've had enough of this and does something dumb. They've essentially released a ticking time bomb into society

@BangGoesThePistol

7 жыл бұрын

ServantoftheKing I thought the same thing when he threw that plant at the wall and his wife flinched, she could've been hurt. What stops him from picking up an ax and hurting people? He's already blocked for life

@GamerFilesnet

6 жыл бұрын

Which brings up another point, the justice system. Compare that of the US (or most countries) with, for example, the one in Norway. The former being a punishment, while the latter focuses on rehabilitation. I'm not going to go in deeper; I believe it's pretty obvious from here, with a little research.

@OnePlancheMan

6 жыл бұрын

Best thing about that is that you’ll just be a blob of dead pixels so no one can tell you apart from other blocked people.

@reesed4099

6 жыл бұрын

Well the authorities didn't have any proof that he didn't report a murder. He was just telling him a story and how would they know if it was real? I feel like he had good intentions throughout the whole episode. He didn't deserve to be blocked in the end in my opinion, whatever.

@hotfella4659

6 жыл бұрын

ServantoftheKing so fuckin true

This episode was by far the most cruel, dare I say mean-spirited of the series. Certainly a hard watch.

@ThunderBlastvideo

5 жыл бұрын

White bear

@streamlover2224

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThunderBlastvideo This is worse than white bear. In white bear she doesn't remember the day before. Her life is not repetitive (she doesn't know it is), but in this episode, he's life is endless and every day is the same, he is along and he goes crazy. "Hell is repeating"- Stephen King

@katherinep708

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThunderBlastvideo this is worse than white bear. same reason with what ​he 👆🏼said.

@Fbitypeshit

5 жыл бұрын

Scally Cowell but i feel like if we had this technology, mankind would prabably punish people that long

@MarDamas

5 жыл бұрын

I'd say the chick in white bear also deserved it a lot more than this guy. Not that it was right, just not as wrong.

Am I the only person who is scared that this show "black mirror" is basically giving humanity ideas😂

@aiemiiyo4244

5 жыл бұрын

It is I think that where the name comes from Black Mirror a more darker mirror to the world

@safflowerspree5981

4 жыл бұрын

Yas 😂 i think that too

@orangepasta99

4 жыл бұрын

aiemii yo that’s a good idea but i thought it meant a phone screen, when its off, it’s a black mirror. I don’t know, that’s what I thought, but your idea could certainly be true

@Aakash_Goswami1

4 жыл бұрын

Black Mirror = Screen Phone screen, monitor, etc.

@tuesxx483

4 жыл бұрын

more like, warnings.

This was by far one of the most disturbing episodes!

@harbinger8035

6 жыл бұрын

Maddix Roberts white bear.. Shut up and dance..

@stevangonzalez5908

6 жыл бұрын

...Crocodile

@austinshells6584

6 жыл бұрын

Stevan Gonzalez omg I just watched crocodile fucked up shit

@kawikania2880

5 жыл бұрын

@@harbinger8035 shut up and dance is just so funny for me

@paparaiden4876

5 жыл бұрын

Juan Prevost disturbing in a good way tho

I just realized. They tortured the Joe cookie for 5 years in isolation. Wouldn't that be a confession under duress?

@michaelweston409

7 жыл бұрын

Paradox586 very very true

@suyashawasthi1

7 жыл бұрын

No they just made him believe that. If he was there for 5 years he wouldn't react in such calm manner.

@a1be31s8x9

7 жыл бұрын

Legality of it is a gray area, since it's not actually *him* that's under duress, it's an AI copy of him.

@clare2385

7 жыл бұрын

but if he believed to have been there for 5 years, how is it different from actually spending five years in that house? reality is subjective. this belief is his reality. just like with the cookie of the woman (having nothing to do for 3 weeks and 6 months)

@johnjohnson9090

7 жыл бұрын

Saskia H. No he thought he had been there for five years because of suggestion.

My favourite episode of Black Mirror, and this video only showed me that there was even more to unpack about it. Top job.

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

Mate I'm sorry to be so forward but can we please review an album together? I love your blueshelled videos and I think we should totally collab and make a review of an awesome album.

@MasterJakeStudios

7 жыл бұрын

***** hmu dude I'm keen

@FeedMeDubstep661

6 жыл бұрын

SAME!!!

@Miquelalalaa

6 жыл бұрын

MasterJakeStudios I freaked the fuck out when they said 1000 years per second

@Mautrail3

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan B. That was beyond torture. Jesus fucking Christ that was INSANE!!!!!!! Cruel cruel cruel.

1,440,000 years of that suffering.

@cathaldonnellan6550

6 жыл бұрын

The Real PyroManiac listening to a 3 minute christmas song over and over and over....thats 250 billion times

@second3455

6 жыл бұрын

The Real PyroManiac he shows clear remorse over his actions and he clearly never meant to murder the old man. He doesn’t deserve the torture he got

@Mannyiwlf

6 жыл бұрын

Mouful's Second Channel what bugs me is how fucked he’s going to be mentally after he comes out.

@Lopata991

6 жыл бұрын

i wouldn't last a week

@Sanctifiers

6 жыл бұрын

no it was 1000 years per minute

John Hamm's character got arrested for recording A LOT of people having sex without their knowledge (the partners, not the people with the contacts), streaming it to a bunch of people, and witnessing a murder without reporting it. Cutting off the stream doesn't mean he didn't know it was happening. That's the equivalent of just closing your eyes and saying "See? Not a witness".

The idea of blocking somebody as a form of criminal punishment is a terrible idea, one of the worst 'futuristic' ideas I've seen. I posted about this on IMDB too. It would only make people more angry, more frustrated and more prone to violence. Plus if they can no longer work, they're either going to be a burden on the state in caring for them financially, just like prison, or they'll be reduced to begging or stealing, which I don't think the criminal justice system would want either. It would also reduce any sense of empathy the person had for others, as he'd literally only see people as a faceless anonymous mass and not as individuals. And people can only see him as an outline, so if he did want to hurt somebody, they probably wouldn't know what his intentions are until it's too late.

@xilefenko

7 жыл бұрын

For me it's one of the worst tortures/technical advances in Black mirror

@bearsleethere6996

7 жыл бұрын

yea, that whole mass-blocking concept never really made sense to me in the context of being a replacement for jail. At least in jail you're a caged-up animal, if widely blocked you'd become... an abomination, an alien, a ghost. I guess if you're an out-doorsy type, you could enjoy that at least. I theorize that in a society with at least a few widely-blocked individuals there would have to be some sort of infrastructure in place to help them survive... otherwise you're blocked from doctor's eyes, be barred from stores, etc. cruel and unusual af.

@Pining_for_the_fjords

7 жыл бұрын

***** I thought that too. Maybe people with a universal block can still see and hear each other, in which case there should be communities where they can live a relatively normal life together. Shopping wouldn't be much of a problem as you can buy nearly anything online. Even when buying things from a shop, you don't normally need much interaction with the cashier, especially if you can see on the till display how much money you need to hand over. That's been handy for me when shopping abroad where I don't understand the local language.

@KevinknPham

7 жыл бұрын

It's basically solitary confinement

@PrometheanFlame

7 жыл бұрын

The blocking is like a restraining order. He should have treated it as such but clearly he had boundary issues. He stalks them for years. And as soon as his ex dies, instead of calling the house like a normal person he just walks in, murders her father and leaves the child to die in the snow.

what i dont get is, if your blocked by society, how do you buy food? are all characters on movies and shows blocked too? maybe im just too high..

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

P Arthur Ever used a self-service machine in a supermarket? More than likely he would have to use those. I agree though it causes more problems than it solves.

@prometheus9096

6 жыл бұрын

It could be a selective filter. Like you can still see and talk to a policeman (only while he is working)for example

@jegkanselv

6 жыл бұрын

best. fucking. comment. ever.

@jarnvir2227

6 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure you just get murdered by a guy with a snowglobe.

@loudpinklips

6 жыл бұрын

He can watch old timey movies since death is a way to unlock a block. lol Just only watch actors who are dead 🙃

Even if matt didn't broadcast the footage or blackmail with it, it's still super sketchy to record someone having sex without their knowlege.

@swamidan277

6 жыл бұрын

It seemed like he knew tho. like were an entourage that matt tutors

@TheIcarusFalls

5 жыл бұрын

I know this comment is super old, but I just had to say something as I've recently seen the episode. Harry (the poor sod) knew full well that everyone was watching as he was talking to them in the apartment when crazy Tonks was getting "drinks". The whole group was like a little club. When Harry said he didn't know if he could go through with it, Matt reminded him that he was happy to watch when the others had their turn.

@JWatkins24

4 жыл бұрын

they're referring to the female not knowing ....🤦🏾‍♂️

@deborahblackvideoediting8697

Жыл бұрын

@@JWatkins24 - Exactly! Lol, I'm surprised that even needed to be explained to them. :)

@rudyloreni2883

10 ай бұрын

@@JWatkins24 but why did she kill the guy with poison?

I'm surprised by the fact that you didnt mention the fact that the girl from this episode sang the same song as Abi from s1e2.

@aegonii8471

6 жыл бұрын

Robbie Williams I noticed that too.

@Ironhold_Watch

5 жыл бұрын

They use that song all through the series, if you haven't noticed it shoved down your throat yet im bit worried actually

@IWantToStayAtYourHouse

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ironhold_Watch I watch Black mirror sparringly so i didnt notice

@yashbhatia2204

5 жыл бұрын

I knew I had heard it on black mirror before! It was just wayy too familiar!

@dramaticvirghoe

5 жыл бұрын

It's also on the episode Crocodile

I am really shocked that you think no one was harmed by Matt's broadcasting of these sexual encounters. So a minimum of nine strangers watch a woman having sex who did not agree to be filmed, and you think no harm was done? Peeping Tom activities like putting hidden cameras in a bathroom are often classified as sex offenses. (even if only the perpetrator watches the video!) In the US, secretly recording sex can be a felony depending on the state. Are you telling me if someone recorded you having sex without informing you, and "only" showed it to nine random people, that would be totally fine with you? It is a total invasion of privacy and certainly deserves to be a sex crime.

@mjamitche5245

7 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who caught this. I haven't seen any other comments on it. I agree with you that it wasn't the actual coaching of the dude to pick up the woman, but the actual intention to watch them have sex which was very wrong. The first part can be seen like the movie Hitch, but as soon as he left with the girl, the coach/instructor should have turned it off. At first, I thought he was teaching a class and the other viewers were there to just learn, but when they followed the date to her home it became creepy. It was definitely wrong and I can't believe this KZreadr doesn't get that. It's kind of scary.

@CelebrianUndomiel

7 жыл бұрын

You articulated this much better than I did, thank you. I think consent definitely still needs to be taught in schools.

@stephysteph8558

6 жыл бұрын

I wondered about that too. Heck, I'd be pretty pissed that the person I thought I was interacting with was just a puppet being coached by a third party I couldn't even see or be aware of. But the sex was actually filmed too? NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE. When in real life people's careers are being ruined because someone released a nude picture that was supposed to be private, the situation seems really tone deaf.

@sydneylawson484

6 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. This youtuber did NOT care about that at all. He also said disturbing things about abortion that made me realize I am never watching his channel again. I am SO glad you made this comment, because I was scrolling desperately to find one about this very topic!

@kenised

6 жыл бұрын

He's "inspired" by Sarkon. How could he not be a disgusting person?

In the season 3 finale, Hated In The Nation, a news headline reads that these cookies now are promised all human rights. So hopefully Joe was the only "human" who ever had to go thru that.

@nocksar744

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, good to know! althought these are not real, i sure do hope if or when one day, humanity do get 'there', things as such would put into a deeper moral and logical consideration before they are deem as legal actions.

@joshuathomas5626

6 жыл бұрын

And Beth the cookie becomes skynet

@Nobody-tj9jo

5 жыл бұрын

Good eye

@dreamcanvas5321

5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately he likely wasn't. Government authority figures have a broad propensity to abuse power until laws or public scrutiny demands change; probably torturing cookies was standard practice until it was outlawed or shortly before it was fully outlawed.

Um... why is it bad? Maybe because these women didn't consent to being watched by the group. He's not just helping men get laid. He's sharing it with their little group. The live sex show against consent is not okay.

@redhaze7663

5 жыл бұрын

Rachel Ewing he was wrong , but he was gonna stop anyway. The only thing I couldn’t get out my head was how bad I feel for the second guy and that bitch that cheated on him

@danielasanabria9576

5 жыл бұрын

Many men don't understand consent

@IloveManiacs1

5 жыл бұрын

@@danielasanabria9576 yeah well neither do you females

@rockabillymuffin

5 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU: I was disturbed listening to him saying that. At least that lets everyone know not to fuck him bc he doesnt care about consent. Fucking creepy!

@gileee

4 жыл бұрын

Really, that's what stood out to people from this episode. Some creeps with weird fetishes.

How can you be "conflicted" on whether or not you're sympathetic to the cookies? What kind of monster WOULDN'T be sympathetic to the cookies?!?!

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

Erin Meadows Because it's a computer...

@Erribell

7 жыл бұрын

That has sentience and the full range of human emotion...

@SugarWeasel1227

7 жыл бұрын

Erin Meadows But it's not human

@Aokaimusic

7 жыл бұрын

For me, it's not as black and white as to whether I feel sympathy towards the cookie or not. At some level, I do. That's what the episode tries to get us to do - feel sympathy for an artificial creation that resembles a human. But at the end of the day, my sympathy towards the cookie shouldn't really reduce the justifiability of the cookie's function. Objectively, the cookie is simply computer code. Let me try and use a similar example. If you had the choice of living the rest of your life in a virtual reality simulation that can replicate your current reality perfectly, or continuing living your "real life" which would you opt to choose? Probably the latter. But why? They're superficially exactly the same, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There's just something fundamentally different between being a conscious human being and attempting to have that same consciousness replicated in a machine.

@37kit

7 жыл бұрын

kyeYuri have you watched san junipero?

i was more upset that she acted like he didn't have the right to be upset with her decison? i understand it's the womans decison but he is allowed to be angry and state his opinon... especially when he thought it was his

@caineable4525

7 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Making a baby takes a man and a woman, the decision of abortion should be taken by both parents. This is true equality right?

@Hekateras

6 жыл бұрын

I like Black Mirror because it can be nuanced. She (IMO) was right in that it's her decision alone, at least until they invent artificial incubators, it is her right as someone with bodily autonomy to make the sole decision as to whether do something that impacts her body and her health. She also (ab)used a technology in order to act immaturely and cut him off from her life instead of admitting her own mistakes in cheating to him and lying to him. The two are not mutually exclusive.

@adrianeady352

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, she is the villain of the piece, in my opinion and if it wasn't for all of her actions, the story wouldn't have had such a grim ending. Most disturbing and dark episode because the wrong people end up suffering.

@NigmaTerra

6 жыл бұрын

Its funny how she actually killed her father, boyfriend and her child by running away from the truth and blocking those who ask unpleasant questions. Its not even about the abortion part, she actually did decide to keep it. She could have told the truth and aborted, but technology made it possible to get away without any need of confrontation, which she clearly is uncapable of. The asian dude would have had a right to know about his child too, which she also didnt grant. Blocking and silencing everything you do not want to hear is actually something that is growing more and more in our society. Everyone needs a safespace, you can ignore and block numbers, social media, friends etc. You can become a living ghost if you want to. Which is also funny as this ghost thing stops the moment you die, which is the moment the protagonist sees her the first time again. Its clearly foreshadowing what might happen if people stop to think about their mistakes, which obviously is the harder thing to do. The whole thinking for theirselves thing is actually a red line in the whole episode. With cookies doing the work or a man in your head telling you how to hit on women. Take responsiblity!

@tgj9535

6 жыл бұрын

He IMMEDIATELY launched into a tirade at her and accused her of being selfish when she said she was upset about an unwated pregnancy, then pressured her to keep it, then threw a vase at her head. He deserved to be blocked, though I agree that at some point later on she should have informed him it wasn't his child.

"He is deprived of the basic human need to communicate with anybody for helping nervous gentlemen men get laid." Err, no. That is not why the block was put in place. As the episode explains, the block was because of the illegal voyeurism and a murder he didn't report and attempted to cover up.

@gileee

4 жыл бұрын

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. He didn't cover up the murder-suicide, he just didn't report it (which is only illegal in some countries) + the voyeurism. In our system he'd probably just get parole, couple months tops.

@gileee

3 жыл бұрын

@Poppy Akers Voyeurs are put on the sex offenders list anyway, even if they didn't film. Also, I'm not American. We don't even have a publicly available sex offenders registry in my country. We've been waiting on it for years now.

@nuxjoe

2 жыл бұрын

ik you posted this 3 years ago but literally oh my god when i heard this guy say that i had to pause the video and leave cause his perspective is so twisted

I don't understand why you think it's "harmless" for those guys to film and watch each other picking up women and having sex with them. You say it's not hurting anyone as long as they don't know, but it is an invasion of privacy. You say it's okay as long as it's not made public, but there were 6-8 guys watching. If I was the girl, I wouldn't want anyone watching. I especially wouldn't want them watching if I hadn't been asked for permission. How can you view that as being okay? For whoever wants to give consent as a couple, then it would be okay, but not without the consent of both people. I can't believe no one has commented on this. The guy who helped the dudes pick up chicks should be tried for the crime of videoing and watching people have sex without their knowledge, but also for not reporting his client's and his date's poisonings. He should have called the police when he saw the girl was poisoning her date. I don't think he should have been sentenced to life long blocking by everyone (in the modern justice system it probably wouldn't be a long sentence), but it definitely deserves jail time. Really, the justice system should just have hired him to get the virtual reality confessions from other criminals. They actually hire criminals and give them time off their sentences for assisting them in catching worse criminals. Anyway, great episode. This one along with Nosedive and Playtest are my favorites.

@creedbratton1545

4 жыл бұрын

Ok loser

@pussydestroyer69285

3 жыл бұрын

Creed Bratton ok incel

I was high when I saw this and literally got suicidal thoughts. it was really scary man.

@a1be31s8x9

7 жыл бұрын

I was high when I watched this too and shit was it heavy!

@Frankie-xu6sr

7 жыл бұрын

Astrotist PSA: Just don't get high, don't drink alcohol, it's just bad for you

@rohanmiscrits

7 жыл бұрын

ForwardProductions alcohol sucks, I agree

@mycelia_ow

6 жыл бұрын

Francisco Moran, no its not. Stop fear mongering. Also, OP hasn't said what substance he was high on. Psychedelics (including Marijuana), used responsibly, can be life changing and relieve depression and anxiety.

@HeyHey-ms3oh

6 жыл бұрын

I had bad anxiety one day and I decided to watch an episode to distract me. I watched Play Test. It made it so much worse.

Actually: f you paid enough attention, Be right back was mentioned in a small easter egg: the birth test. It's the same as in Be right back. I noticed it straight ahead when I watched the episode.

@unoriginaluser575

5 жыл бұрын

What’s up with the same song being in every episode aswell? Is it meant to resemble something?

I love how in-depth your analyses are, but still not too long

This episode is just fucked up and that's saying something for a show like this

@hamzasaid3368

7 жыл бұрын

BlackGod King1995 only if the wife dident cheat

He sentenced him a thousand years a minute? Just for Christmas right?Jesus. There's about 1,440 minutes in a day. So 1,000 x 1,440 is 1,440,000 years..... The common people tend to be more of the monsters in this show.

Best Black Mirror Episode. Period.

@smileyfake8453

7 жыл бұрын

White Mirror? Don't you mean black mirror lol

@cortster12

7 жыл бұрын

Royal Gaurd Papyrus I have no idea how that happened. Fixed.

@SpectacularSpiderMan

7 жыл бұрын

#BlackMirrorsMatter

@clowntrooper61

7 жыл бұрын

Shut up and dance is really good as well

@SpectacularSpiderMan

7 жыл бұрын

Clowntrooper61 I watched it for the first time last night. Let's just say it kept me up for hours.

the cookie thing seems unnerving. there's something I'm wondering and I hope I explain it correctly. from the shots they show it seems like the cookie perceives itself to be the actual person and can see itself being taken out....so it seems to me that there is a 50/50 shot that someone who agrees to this procedure unknowingly can end up perceiving themselves to be turned into a cookie and then virtually trapped for all of eternity rather then experiencing the flip side where you are the person benefitting from the cookie or even worse 100 percent shot that your actual consciousness becomes the cookie...I mean it's virtually seamless....its almost like the actual woman's conscious (from her perception) was removed and all that was left is some shell...but no one would ever know because they think its just a cookie and the person is still seemingly ok...I hope people understand what I mean....

@xilefenko

7 жыл бұрын

Well yes and no because the cookie who is taken out will always think that it is the "original" you and the "in body" you will think that everything has worked as intended. They are both the same person.

@yesididitverywell

7 жыл бұрын

Well, the cookie actually didn't know that the actual person had paid for the procedure. So it seems like the cookie was only conscious after it was implanted. While the woman was laying in her hospital bed, we heard the cookie speaking inside of her head, and she did exactly what the cookie said because they were essentially the same person. But the cookie had only been conscious for the week inside her head, while the person was the one that paid for the procedure.

@SeansMashups

7 жыл бұрын

malepig420 i was just thinking about that too!! i didnt know how to explain it though

@petrcius1552

7 жыл бұрын

Please listen, we all think we're as humans are some kind of transcendental as opposed to other assemblies of atoms in the universe but we're really only just what we see (our consciousness). You cannot refute the claim that this universe, along with your memories has been created 5 minutes ago. So you're no more important than a cookie. Keeping a person there for six weeks in a blank space is the worst torture of a living being there could be. I think it opens your eyes to realize what the world around you really is.

@fellowish

7 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of SOMA quite a bit...

I've been a fan of your content for a while and I've only just picked up this episode. Saying that, for a guy who watches shows that are supposed to challenge your world view, some of your points are ancient. Saying filming sex without consent isn't harmful and giving the idea that women should have to be violated for you to wave your hand at abortion is hurtful and alarming, you're a man who doesn't think anything past your own safety.

@rockabillymuffin

5 жыл бұрын

I know right? That's disturbing af!

@muffinsniper

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought..

@DylanRomanov

4 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed his content until I got to this video. I was in disbelief honestly.

@disneydisney1490

3 жыл бұрын

The crime doesn’t fit the punishment though

@gabrielonibudo5710

3 жыл бұрын

Keep crying, abortion is murder

Matt's intention's wern't "good" He's pretty psychopathic thoughout the episode

@RM22201

4 жыл бұрын

Well his intentions certainly weren’t bad by any means of its definition

@antistraightmen

3 жыл бұрын

@@RM22201 Are you stupid? He literally locked that woman's copied conscious in broke her. He IS bad.

@RM22201

3 жыл бұрын

Becca I really don’t know why I made that comment, thinking back I probably mixed up the characters and though he was talking about potter

@DarkLordoftheMeme

3 жыл бұрын

@@RM22201 Matt's probably the first truly "evil" character to show up in Black Mirror, since it's ambiguous as to whether Victoria in White Bear really was brainwashed into doing what she did, or whether she was genuinely remorseful

This episode is probably the most horrifying. Considering how long only 15 years feels, I can only imagine the pain of being stuck in a room with the same song playing for about 700,000 years.

@steinchentv9533

4 жыл бұрын

There are 1440 minutes in a day So 1440 x 10000 = 14400000 So he spends 14400000 years per day there, wtf

@uninformedluddite

4 жыл бұрын

Why 15 years specifically?

@joeseaton135

2 жыл бұрын

@@uninformedluddite lmao you said this 2years ago but imma reply anyway. Probably because the person who wrote that is 15, so that's the longest period of time they've felt

You can really see the fear in her eyes when Joe was getting angry. Because it’s from his perspective we don’t see how aggressive he can be

Your apologism for Matt's behavior disturbs me. He wasn't "just helping nervous young men", the same way most career pick up artists aren't "just helping nervous young men". He was in the business of selling voyeuristic creeps the opportunity to spy on unsuspecting women. That IS sexual predation.

@swamidan277

6 жыл бұрын

they were his entourage were they not? they didn't mention that they were paying for any of it

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

@@swamidan277 They were playing and watching.

@rockabillymuffin

5 жыл бұрын

@@swamidan277 lol. thats your take away from this? It was violating consent and manipulative in all sorts of ways. Even if they werent paying him.

@swamidan277

5 жыл бұрын

@@rockabillymuffin a year too late bud. i kinda forgot what this was about haha

@DmanDice

5 жыл бұрын

Dhanush Selvaraj Nothing is late on the internet..

This is what happens when you lay with a wildling.

@fattyblunts5595

6 жыл бұрын

The Algerian I thought she looked familiar lol

@BojackKage

6 жыл бұрын

The Algerian i swear they have so many got actors in this show

@aidanpine925

5 жыл бұрын

Rian Power They had Robb’s wife too as the cookie

@Lola-rn2jj

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. I thought she was the character from HP. Or is it the same person? 🤔

The guy locked in the AI room for basically eternity was really sad. Yes, he killed the ex's dad out of temporary insanity, and leaving the little girl was horrible. But his cheating girlfriend got pregnant, dumped him without telling him there was a good chance the baby wasn't his, obviously knew it wasn't his after the baby was born, blocked him so he had no chance to see what he thought was his daughter (Of course never telling him it wasn't his daughter). That guy did not deserve what happened at the end. The ex died in an accident, but that honestly was better than she deserved.

I'm not sure if its relevant but also in this episode, when they were at the karaoke bar, the song from 15 million merits was playing

@mikelcook4028

6 жыл бұрын

DiaryofA WimpyCollegeGirl it's also in crocodile I believe

@danellyatt9842

6 жыл бұрын

And Men against Fire

@Waltuh5775

5 жыл бұрын

the song appears every season

I was enjoying these black mirror videos, but it's honestly disturbing that you think the 'pick up artist' guy did nothing wrong by streaming an unaware woman having sex to a whole bunch of guys....and that abortion is only okay if a woman has been raped. Maybe some education on consent and the right to choice?

@iaintbobbers5372

7 жыл бұрын

I know, right? Like, the whole "why was he prosecuted for not reporting a murder when he was doing illegal things to watch the murder happen?" thing is ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe, having done other illegal things doesn't make you immune to doing other crimes?

@Hekateras

6 жыл бұрын

I agree on both. And re the abortion: In my eyes, if it's about whether the fetus deserves life (of course it does, everything does), then it shouldn't matter what the cause of the pregnancy is. If you think that way, then you're treating pregnancy as a punishment: something a women "deserves" if she had sex by choice, and doesn't "deserve" if she didn't have sex by choice. Which is not about the baby at all. Besides, an abortion isn't the ideal scenario, but a full right to abortion is the only thing that's compatible with the rest of our values. We have a right to bodily autonomy that means you can't harvest organs from a CORPSE without their prior consent, even to save the life of someone still living. You cannot keep that in place, yet also demand women carry pregnancies to term simply because another life depends on it, it would be inconsistent (and by extension, those places that disallow abortions are effectively given living women less rights than corpses).

@sydneylawson484

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy lost a subscriber cause fuck if imma listen to that nonsense.

I bawled my eyes out seeing the part where he couldn’t see his child. I’ve never seen something so sad on television after seeing that the baby wasn’t his and she ended up dying

@Vanityisgangsta

5 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t matter the kid wasn’t even his. She thought she was going to pull a Billie Jean not today

My testes exploded again when I saw this in my sub box, hope you had a lovely christmas mate. Been a gem of my year finding your channel and videos, you really are one of the most genuine reviewers on here

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

Stop it, you melt my heart honey x

@the1andonlytitch

7 жыл бұрын

You should have that checked out mate

@CymruJedi

7 жыл бұрын

Greg Monts Dude. I've noticed the exact same thing. I honestly think Charlie Brooker has had a dodgy past with women and it's definitely influenced his writing

@spinningbackkick6021

7 жыл бұрын

Starkiller100 Possibly. I've noticed it caused I've had issues with women so I understand. But its like an old school witch hunt. LOL

@lauraholliday9343

7 жыл бұрын

but then look at san junipero?

What about when joe is channel surfing and he sees people that resemble the riders from 15 Million merits

@jacksonblitzkreg9774

6 жыл бұрын

The King in the North how though, I mean I thought that too but the world seemed too normal to be related. The 15m m episode didn't explain it's universe that well

@louis4lol

6 жыл бұрын

I noticed this too. I mean it's quite clear that all episodes are in the same universe, but I even think that in this case 15 million merits actually plays out in the same more specific time frame. Might be in the same decade or something. After all, our world today has very different countries and living standards around the globe, so who is to say that it still can't be shit for some and good for some

@Lucky10279

6 жыл бұрын

Jackson Blitzkreg I wonder if the episodes all take place in parrellal universes in the same multiverse.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

Just an Easter Egg for audience, nothing more.

7:40 Conflicted? I don't feel any conflict at all. I feel pure and utter sympathy. You don't even know how it's programmed or made. it could be just code, not actually a self-aware being, or it could be hard-wired into a hardware-software hybrid that mimics the structure of the human brain. So the only conflict here is information wise. We just don't know if it's self-aware or not. And that makes all the difference. I guess you could technically call that a conflict.

@cortster12

7 жыл бұрын

***** It does, but was never confirmed. So we cannot know.A self-aware ai and a non-self-aware ai will act exactly the same, only the difference will be what refereed to as the Chinese Room.

@cortster12

7 жыл бұрын

***** " is a requirement for psychological trauma." Yes, it is. But that is entirely my point. They will both act like they are experiencing trauma, but only one AI will actually experience it. The Chinese Room Argument is what I am going for. Although, I disagree with the argument's conclusion (that a computer can never gain consciousness) I do agree that it is possible to have an AI that goes through all the motions, but no one is home. Just like a room full of people carrying out instructions that have the same end result as a brain, but a different method. Even if the end-result is the same.

@fakelake7776

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know also, who are supposed to feel "conflicted" about cookies. Maybe, racist narrow-minded people with severe case of xenophobia.

@Hekateras

6 жыл бұрын

I understand where he's coming from because like... I mean, I don't feel much sympathy for my Sims when I put them through horrific ordeals, or to the pixels on screen when I play an FPS or a strategy game. But I think once you hit the self-awareness point, the "it's just a computer" excuse no longer flies. After all, we too are only biological computers.

@SomaCruz666

6 жыл бұрын

how did this "cookie" product become so commonplace when I'm sure everytime you try to initially calibrate the cookie they're screaming "PLEASE GOD END MY SUFFERING I CHANGE MY MIND" hmmmm, lets torture them until they agree to take care of the host instead lol

Imagine a mysterious red blob just barging in a supermarket and eating without paying.

I genuinely don't understand why the AI copy of Joe was punished so badly at the end of the episode. Cookie Joe did not do anything. It was the real Joe who was the guilty one. AI Joe was completely innocent, and yet he received by far the worst punishment. Every action in the episode up to this point made sense to me. However the ending (whilst visually interesting), is just plain baffling. It seems like nastiness for nastiness sake.

@The482075

6 жыл бұрын

I think the writers wanted a scary visual to end the episode. To me, it spoilt what was otherwise an amazing story.

@dealyboyz

6 жыл бұрын

Cookie joe wasn’t innocent that was the point of the whole episode. He’s just as guilty cause he knows he killed that man and the daughter that he thought was his.

@AnimeNinjaz

6 жыл бұрын

they touch on this in the episode explaing that the outlook on how the cookie clones are treated is diferent for each people, some regarding them as conscious and others seeing them as just code, ironicaly joe sympathises for the cookie clone in the story and is in turn tortured by people at the end who probably just see him as code and set the punishment just for fun with no though of the effect on him.

@Paul-iq8bu

6 жыл бұрын

Because the sadistic police officers were free to torture him with no consequence.

@seandafny

6 жыл бұрын

Bobby Ranger Joe “did something” so the way they see it the cookie did something too cause thats just extended Joe

What an amazing gift! Brilliant analysis as always, and your reading of the song I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday is chilling to the bone. Can't wait for your look at Season 3, next year.

Yeah, that poisoning scene genuinely creeped the shit out of me!

@ellafidlin6138

5 жыл бұрын

I have not seen ANYONE mention how messed up that bit is, and that kinda scares me. Like, the whole Guantanamo Bay 1,000-years-per-minute bit was horrible, sure, but the poisoning? With the flipping funnel? That bit messed me up the most.

@Juscallmemav

5 жыл бұрын

I was looking for someone's comment too.. Lol. That scene made my stomach turn I feel like that could happen to anyone.

another thing i noticed in the episode where all the referances to 15 million merits (for example durring kareoke beth sang the song abi sung durring her audition and in the tv al was watching "hot shot") . Its interesting to think that these two worlds are in the same universe and if so how they fit together

@TheMrShnickers

7 жыл бұрын

Julia Crager I noticed it too, I wonder where do they get people from. From what I gather in 15 million merits it doesn't seem that the occupants work there voluntary.

@crozraven

7 жыл бұрын

TheMrShnickers I think they are a volunteers to certain extend. I could see poor and homeless people or people that wanted to be a in stardom could easily participated in it. Remember, The whole rise to star is basically a parody of reality show and talent show. The building itself could be an isolated place or island that may lack of electricity so it got covered with pedaling things. Even if it's involuntary, those people could easily be a low crime prisoners, working in prison to earn money is something that very common in many prisons specially the private one.

@-Trauma.

6 жыл бұрын

The King in the North A Cookie Prison?

@zavixonhd4347

6 жыл бұрын

same I noticed too

@depthsofabjection

6 жыл бұрын

It's just an easter egg. Simple as that. Many other episodes of Black Mirror contain references in each other, in news/paper headlines, place names, symbols, etc...

wow you really wrecked it by the sarcastic “her body her rights”

@frankwest9304

4 жыл бұрын

Deal with it baby.

@codeinecowboy8607

3 жыл бұрын

Frank West well it sure as fuck isn’t our body is it?

@harishsharma4063

3 жыл бұрын

Fine but then why didn't she tell him the truth? Because she knew what she did was wrong.

@93King

3 жыл бұрын

How so?

@pendragcn

3 жыл бұрын

yep, and looking at some of the ignorant prolife men in the comments just made me disappointed.

I disagree a LOT with this reading of the first act of Matts story. 1. Pickup Artists. Matt seems very much like a pick up artists guru - even the NAME "guru" sounds like taken directly out from that world. The methods he uses to talk to women (ignoring the main target, playing friend with the man, changing setting) is straight up PUA methods. 1.b The men probably didn't pay to watch the kid, but is a kind of 'entourage' to the 'guru'. This sort of group structure is fairly common in PUA groups. One of the guys mentions how the kid got to watch him do 'something something sexual innuendo' with a German chick, which suggests that it is free, shared information that the kid gets from being mentored by Matt. 2. Lack of consent fromt he kid. The kid starts getting kold feet and clearly says that he feels bad about going so far with the girl at that time. It is CLEARLY not consensual at that point, so basically, should anything sexual had happened, it would have been manipulated rape or at least sexual assault - because of Matt and his friends. Matt is therefore, at least in some part, accomplish to the unfortunate death of the kid. 3. He knew about the murder, but instead of informing the authorities he tries to hide the evidence. He KNOWS that what he does is illegal, or that it will at least look terrible, and maybe expose himself to his family (which happens anyways, but maybe the police case is part of this, we don't know the timeline of the conversation with his wife). So I don't agree with the defense of Matt "not really doing anything wrong", because he clearly did do several questionable things. Had he alerted the authorities then maaaaybe the kid could have been saved, if healthcare is as advanced as all other technology at this point, but he left the kid and woman to die so he could try to hide from the situation. Furthermore, the way they use as play around with his sentence can be seen as a parallel to how the PUA community has had some few clashes with the law, with the law not really knowing what to do with them. I really enjoy your videos and most of this one, but I felt like I had to share my point of view on this part of the story. :)

@joannamarieart

6 жыл бұрын

The other men watching DID pay for the experience expecting it would include sex. One man on the live stream made a comment about needing to see her breasts to get what he paid for.

@swamidan277

6 жыл бұрын

Wait a minute did they actually mention that they paid for the whole show? i assumed they were part of some kind of entourage matt tutors

@joannamarieart

6 жыл бұрын

Dhanush Selvaraj yes, during the scene where the man was about to be poisoned, one of the men on the video chat said he had to see her breasts because he wanted to get what he paid for.

@swamidan277

6 жыл бұрын

oh aight still felt bad tho i mean there's only so much time before you go crazy in a situation like that

@Adele5554

6 жыл бұрын

I thought they all paid for this service and each were mentored by Matt, so they took turns pretty much

Your analysis of this makes me really worry about you. Like I love your videos but you come across as having super shady morality here

@morphi9983

5 жыл бұрын

how, everything he said was perfectly moral. except when he showed sympathy to beth towards the end

@aly8950

5 жыл бұрын

Huh

@Rivler20

5 жыл бұрын

But why though?

@birdward64

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's all very touchy subjects and there is nothing inherently wrong about his opinion as its such a difficult subject

@mduckernz

5 жыл бұрын

@@morphi9983 I dunno, feeling "conflicted" about whether torturing a consciousness replica for millions of years is bad is rather worrying.

Can't wait for your analysis of Nosedive and Shut Up and Dance.

@mars5914

7 жыл бұрын

rannierunsfast Shut up and Dance was deep asf

@clare2385

7 жыл бұрын

for some reason I found Shut up and Dance the most shallow of all of the episodes (relatively seen) what did I miss?

@unflexian

7 жыл бұрын

The hackers completely took away Kenny's free will. He refuses their orders - He's exposed He obeys their orders - He's a criminal, and he's still exposed It's a man walking to his doom, one way or the other.

@marinos1977

6 жыл бұрын

Nosedive, shut up and dance and Playtest

I always thought that Beth never wanted an abortion. She didn't want that kid because she got pregnant by cheating on him and getting this unwanted child. She still gave birth to it, as a penance and reminder of what happened. Or just guilt. She never faced the problems, she just blocked it off to never tackle it again. She didn't want rejection, she couldn't handle the guilt.

@katherinep708

5 жыл бұрын

still made her the worst human being. joe deserved to mourn and get angry from her infidelity, etc.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

I agree that she didn't want abortion to begin with but I don't think she felt guilty. She just ran away and convinced herself she was a victim cause Joe yelled at her and freaked out. She convinced herself she had a legitimate reason to block him LEGALLY for her own convenience, not out of guilt.

@HodajuciParadoks

5 жыл бұрын

I think she did not know what she wanted, I think she liked the guy she cheated with and was conflicted..abort and continue a with Joe or leave. But should not have cheated and she should have told the truth, he could have moved on, find someone else and not be obsess. She was weak. If she only felt fear, she should have gone and tell him with company, not alone, but still tell him, what she did was not right, cheating and running away letting him think that he lost his child. That is not ok. I feel sorry for her child, she lost her life because of this mess.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

4 жыл бұрын

@@HodajuciParadoks Absolutely agree, she indeed was weak

She literally tortured him! I mean like let him know later on. This whole time he thought it was his kid, he didn't deserve to be punished like that. All because of her he ended up with a cruel punishment. It's wrong what he did but she's messed up.

@Parasmunt

11 ай бұрын

I think what they are saying is that in this future world where all contact is regulated there are a lot of shitty damaged people around, a possible culmination of what is happening to society today.

The Blocking feature and the Cookie are just two so inhumane and cruel features in ONE damn episode. That was hell of a lot dark!

I feel like they punished Joe's character just to create a shock on our faces. It was the most absurd punishment I have ever heard.

@mattaustin7012

Жыл бұрын

No kidding “1000 years a minute” gimme a break

@carterhuh

11 ай бұрын

@@mattaustin7012he murdered a man and cause a kid to die bro

@joshuastevens8040

10 ай бұрын

@@carterhuhIt was one moment of rage, you think never ending torture is a fair punishment pal?

@carterhuh

10 ай бұрын

@@joshuastevens8040 yeah lol

@carterhuh

10 ай бұрын

@@joshuastevens8040 “a moment of rage” you mean murder

Also the title is perfect. "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas; Just like the ones I used to know" Matt can't communicate with anyone anymore. Joe is stuck forever on the Cookie and in jail/executed. They just want to go back; To a Christmas they used to know.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's deep! Haven't thought about that in this way! Kudos to you :-)

i felt soooooo bad for joe.especially when he wanted to see his daughter. and it turns out it wasnt

5 years of trust and togetherness broke in a single conversation.

This is the scariest episode I've ever seen. For years and years, scary movies simply do not scare me. This scenario of endless torture is really the scariest thing I've ever seen. I can't remember any horror movie in my life ever scaring me as much as this.

@uninformedluddite

4 жыл бұрын

Scary movies are just too predictable these days. You sit there watching and know exactly when the jump scare is about to happen. The real horror is in the unspoken. the unseen, the subtext. So many crappy horror movies these days.

@karenyoung2526

2 жыл бұрын

I've just watched this for the first time. (Late to the party). I'm more than disturbed. I don't think I'll ever be the same again after watching this episode.

I think this just shows how important communication is. If we can’t understand or talk to another, just imagine how hard it would be to stay sane. Ugh if Beth TALKED to the guy none of this would’ve happened:(

@overlydramaticpanda

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is, as soon as Beth said that she wasn't planning on keeping the baby, Joe instantly became extremely belligerent and violent, which is what prompts the block in the first place. Beth actually tells him before blocking him that they'll talk in the morning (presumably planning to tell him the truth once he'd slept off the wine he'd been drinking and would hopefully be in a more rational state of mind to deal with the information), but almost as soon as the block is in place, he's using clearly threatening gestures and language and throws a vase against the wall hard enough that it shatters. If your partner acted in such a way, I doubt you'd be rushing to tell them you'd slept with someone else either. Joe was clearly a boisterous drunk at best and add to that his obsessive nature once the block is in place and it's clear this guy is *not* going to take the revelation that she cheated at all well. Should Beth have cheated on him in the first place? No. But Joe is *not* purely a 100% innocent victim of this situation either; one could just as easily argue that if he'd kept his temper, maybe they could have parted ways in a manner that allowed them both to move on with their lives, or even that if he wasn't such a boisterous drunk, she might not have cheated on him in the first place. As it was, the deterioration of the relationship was basically a mutual destruction.

@thirdplanet4471

3 жыл бұрын

I just wish Beth at least told Joe the child wasn't his in those 5 years she had him blocked. Even after Joe apologised for his actions the day after the pregnancy reveal she ran away and left him in the dark for years.

@chrisaugustin9181

2 жыл бұрын

@@overlydramaticpanda he threw the vase against the wall because he’d just been blocked from the Love of his life with little explanation. What if your mother blocked you over one argument. Also when he approached her the next day, he wasn’t trying to hurt her AT ALL. He was trying to tell her to unblock him because that’s what she promised. If SHE was honest and communicative she would’ve told him she cheated instead of barring him from what he saw as “his” kid. Also the punishment doesn’t fit the crime because he accidentally killed the old man. He could’ve at least told him that wasn’t his daughter or give any explanation but the old man didn’t. He was barred from what he saw as his family for years and he was just desperate to see who he thought was his daughter

@overlydramaticpanda

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisaugustin9181 If my mother blocked me over one argument (and implemented said block after saying "we'll discuss it in the morning") I would be angry, yes, but I would deal with it. I'd go sleep it off and we could discuss it in the morning as was said. It's really no different than any normal argument that needs either one party or the other having some space to cool off - the block just effectively *ensures* that you're given the space to do so. And as for the events of the next morning, she said she'd unblock him in the morning *before* he got violent. Take away the fancy technology for a second and look at it as a real-world relationship; a spouse who is already known to be something of a belligerent drunk becoming aggressive enough to throw a vase against the wall as a result of an argument that ended in their partner telling them they needed space to cool off until the morning is one heck of a red flag. As is spending years effectively stalking your ex and their child, regardless of whether you think said child is yours. People have gone to prison for that exact thing - again, even without the fancy technology. Joe had literally *years* in which to move on with his life and maybe try finding someone else - and again, plenty of people have been able to do exactly that in very similar real-world situations - and Beth's behaviour does not excuse his. And let me be very clear, I am *not* excusing Beth for cheating and, yes, she should have just owned up to it. It certainly would have made things easier on everyone. Equally, her father shouldn't have interfered with Joe's letters and should have met with him in a public place a lot sooner to explain the situation. But here's the thing: maybe she *would* have just owned up to it the next morning if Joe hadn't reacted the way he did to, again, the relatively normal state of her needing space in a stressful situation and using the means available to her to make sure she got the space she needed; if you watch the scene where she blocks him, she actually tries at first to just basically say "look, we can argue about this tomorrow, I just can't deal with it right now" but Joe refuses to let it go...at which point she takes the step of blocking him. Or maybe she would have just used the argument as an excuse to officially break up with him instead of just running away and leaving the block in place, which...yeah, sucks for Joe but at least it would have been full closure for both of them. We simply have no way of knowing how the situation would have resolved itself if Joe hadn't escalated the situation to an actual threat of violence. In fact, a significant part of why this episode is so good and works so well is that really, no one in the stories and especially not the focal points of Matt or Joe are shown to be good people (which is kind of an overarching thing in Black Mirror). Neither Matt nor Cookie-Joe really deserve the fates they get but they were both indirectly responsible for at least two deaths largely because they were too busy thinking about themselves. Even if Joe *hadn't* intended to kill Beth's father (which is already kind of debateable since you don't just slam a weighted snowglobe against an old man's skull without intending to cause at least some degree of damage...), there is simply no reasonable or selfless excuse for him not at the very least making sure Beth's daughter was safe and/or contacting the emergency services to inform them that an old man was hurt and a little girl was on her own at the house. But no, he chose to cut and run to try and save himself and so he has two deaths on his hands that he has to live with. Same with Matt - he couldn't save either the guy or the girl in his story, but he equally actively tried to hide his part in what happened. Neither of these two are innocent, no matter how much they might think they are, and both ultimately play a significant part in their own downfalls (again, kind of an overarching thing in Black Mirror).

@shattered8848

2 жыл бұрын

@@overlydramaticpanda Name checks out

Wait, didn't he just say that abortion is only okay if a woman was raped?

@alistairmaclean3244

2 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up from me;) get over it fragile clown

man, you have some messed up views on morality, maybe you should take some time to really question your own beliefs. After watching your review of Shut Up And Dance and now this one... idk I don't think I'll watch any more of your videos. It's a real shame as well because, for the most part, I enjoy your content. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with your channel

@cHeStEr5434

5 жыл бұрын

Care to explain?

@SecretAgentNein

5 жыл бұрын

cHeStEr5434 ”Well, only a few people got to invade this woman’s privacy without her knowledge or consent so it’s fiiiine!” for one thing. That’s freaking messed up.

@cHeStEr5434

5 жыл бұрын

@@SecretAgentNein I think you, the OP, and quite a lot of the commenters misinterpreted what Harry (the narrator) meant there. He's not saying what Matt did wasn't wrong, nor illegal. He's saying that if the videos were only broadcast through a private stream and the individuals involved never spoke of or let videos/conversations leak, then in a literal sense nobody can be harmed from it.

@praiseatua8005

3 жыл бұрын

@@cHeStEr5434 in his analysis of shut up and dance he said kenny didn't harm anyone by watching child porn

@cHeStEr5434

3 жыл бұрын

@@praiseatua8005 I'm well aware of that, but again, I think a lot of you took that comment way too literally. He's not condoning, accepting, or arguing that Kenny's online activities are completely harmless, he's just pointing out that any harm Kenny might be causing isn't direct. To me, he (Harry) also seems to be implying that Kenny, giving his age, naive, and introverted nature, may not be aware that his actions are contributing to child abuse (if what he was looking at was, in fact, child pornography). I say this because, as someone who has done research on the matter and is familiar with the COPINE Scale (see Wikipedia article), I know that child pornography is not limited to outright depictions of sexual abuse on a child, so if the photos that he was looking at were in categories 1-5 (depictions of children in underwear, swimwear, or nude but with no abuse happening onscreen) then someone like Kenny may see his actions as not doing any harm. Another possibility is that Kenny may be looking at simulated child pornography or lolicon (thus, no abuse is taking place in the production or being contributed to by viewing it), or perhaps is was not pornography at all, but rather photos and videos of children swimming, performing ballet, or any legal depictions of children that a paedophile might find arousing. That seems a more likely case considering there is plenty of this legal (and harmless) material out there, on Google, KZread, and all over social media - where's actual CP is not easy to acquire. It's not available at all on the surface web, and even on the dark web it's hard to find, so I find it hard to believe that a teen like Kenny would be tech-savvy enough to access such content (especially as accessing hidden services requires special software with knowledge of how to use it).

you did not mention that the detectives forced the clone to be stuck in the room listening to the music for 10,000 years

@aegonii8471

6 жыл бұрын

Hans Zarkov It’s going to be way more then 10,000 years. It will be more like 1,440,000 years since it is 1,000 years a minute for an entire day. By then the clone will either become a god that transcends all limitations or completely batshit crazy.

@kevinvalencia2408

5 жыл бұрын

@Rian Power at that point the cookie would be nothing more than an enpty shell of a conscience.

@yesandyes9168

5 жыл бұрын

Realistically, the detectives would arrive to the cookie the next day and see the guy in there unresponsive forever.

I would like to see a revenge season of this show. They could revisit wronged characters and show them getting even with those who wronged them. Among those could be the guy from 30 million unit, the guy who played Waldo, the cookies, the blackmailed people in shut up and dance and the girl from white bear.

@xilefenko

7 жыл бұрын

I dont know. Revisting old characters and giving them a sort of conlusion to their story would take the show its impact in my opinion.

@michaelweston409

7 жыл бұрын

shaun Brown seeing people doomed to an eternity of torture even if they're good people makes the show that much more impactful. Life doesn't always have a happy ending so it's more realistic.

@suyashawasthi1

7 жыл бұрын

The show is a mirror of our lives and life is not fair. Deal with what happened.

@unflexian

7 жыл бұрын

no

@gajeelredfox2760

7 жыл бұрын

[The King in the North] No she wasn't, she recorded the murder

It's rare to find a show, that one-ups itself with every subsequent episode, and I think black mirror is one of them, I just finished watching this episode, and going on to season 3, and it's amazing what the writers come up with for this

Such a great review of this incredible episode. Black Mirror keeps blowing my mind with every episode, I love how, unlike The Waldo Moment where we had a lot of conflicts left unadressed, White Christmas is a bunch of dots that are all connected with each other, which makes the ending so satisfying for me, despite being so depressing.

Solitary confinement is torture, cruel and unusual punishment

The blocking bit really hit close to home. I had an ex who used blocking as an abuse mechanism. He would block me for days at a time (we lived 3000 miles apart) for no reason other than just to torture me. He also kept me blocked while he continued to send ME offensive texts. It really puts you in a weird state of desperation if you can't communicate with someone and you have no control over it.

@AsteroidSpy

5 жыл бұрын

Why talk to an ex anyway

@finding1532

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao you’re dumb

@youtuber0201

5 жыл бұрын

AsteroidSpy4270 maybe, just maybe, she was still with him at the time and he wasn’t therefore, an ex

@Cat-pw5qr

5 жыл бұрын

@@finding1532 Getting psychologically abused doesn't make you 'dumb'. I'd say they're strong for being able to get out of the relationship in the end.

@therambler3713

5 жыл бұрын

@@finding1532 you're obviously a child

I've watched this episode every Christmas since it came out, it's kind of a family tradition now.

@DeathSkuul

7 жыл бұрын

:D sick pics.filmaffinity.com/black_mirror_white_christmas_tv-291312567-large.jpg

@oof-rr5nf

6 жыл бұрын

attckonutube doesn't that get depressing?

@oussamaamrani7715

5 жыл бұрын

where can i find the episod

@aradhyasharma6483

5 жыл бұрын

That's kinda gay bro

Yesssss been waiting for this one!!

OMG YESSS I LOVE YOUR VIDS PLEASE UPLOAD MORRREEE!!

Why is the argument whether Beth should of had the final say to keep the baby or not? She had the baby in the end and she CHEATED so that just tells us that she was fine with having the baby, it was more or so that she didn't want to have the baby with Al because she slept with another man. Okay, let's say she didn't want to have the child either way but what skewed her decision was her guilt of cheating,

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

True.

Did anyone else notice every time he smashes the radio it gets louder? With his personality he's going to be smashing that radio alot over the next dozens of millennia

Wow. After seeing this I just had to comment. That was an extremely lucent and thought provoking analysis, I absolutely loved it! I am now more intrigued than ever!

I have recently gotten hooked on this show, and I seriously have to stop and process after every episode. These videos have helped with that. You point out a lot of things I never thought of. Thanks. I just saw Nosedive (the one after this), so please continue these soon!!!

Best episode in my opinion

Black mirror have a knack for punishing the true victims lol

This and The Entire History of You are my favorite episodes from the series. The story telling and the soundtracks are amazing. You just are that into that story .

Excellent! I'm so glad you made it this far. Loved your analysis and am excited to see you attack season 3 in due time~ Happy new year!

Mint mate I love watching these videos and comparing it to what i got from watching the videos i cant wait for you to get onto series 3 because the virtual reality or old and dead people was amazing in my opinion

'But due to women being encouraged that it's their body and their choice'...or perhaps they genuinely think that.

@closeencounter-cultureclos4200

5 жыл бұрын

One of the saddest moments I had was when a guy told me about how his girlfriend decided to kill his child even though he wanted to have it. She just got the full say. What was sadder was everyone at the table was like "WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE?! IT'S HER BODY!"....They totally ignore the fact that a man's love for his child is just as strong, he wanted to have a child and she killed it for him.

@Noa......

5 жыл бұрын

@@closeencounter-cultureclos4200 So, either she carries it full term and gives birth for the sake of the boyfriend's ardent desire to have a child...or terminates it out of personal reasons and end up with emotional or physical side effects. I think it is hard for both individuals in a relationship when one wants a child and the other does not want. It is sad that you and "everyone at the table" only look from one side of a party. Who really has the right to choose since both parties would be affected in some way or another?

@closeencounter-cultureclos4200

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noa...... What should have happened is they discuss it together. No discussion. Baby gone. Does that not make sense to you? I think it's the only decent way to go about it. Shared decision for shared consequences. But no, didn't happen. He found out after the baby was dead.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

@@closeencounter-cultureclos4200 Agree, there should have been a discussion. Even before that happened, like in the beginning of any serious relationships people should discuss that. But saying that, in case of your friend... I don't think this discussion would have ended well (I mean when she already got pregnant) cause she already made her mind, as it seems. There was no win-win scenario here, unfortunately.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noa...... Exactly, tricky situation... In past it was generally considered that women should abide and give birth despite her wants and needs, basically denying her own voice and choice... Nowadays society recognises that since it's woman body, it's her choice (which is right) but often at the expence of man's voice and choice (which is wrong if it is serious relationships). Ideally, both should have a say and discuss things beforehand and reach the consensus but in such tricky situations when there was no discussion or consensus... Hard to say. I don't see future for couples who can't reach agreement over such a serious matter. In this story told above, I feel for the guy, although I don't say she should have given birth. I don't know honestly what to do in such situations

Can't wait for your season 3 analyses!

Genius review! Thanks for making it!

Very, very good, as usual mate.

Let's hope this technology never gets invented. It would really sucked getting blocked, and you have no idea why.

@evansrevenge1681

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Johnsen it’s already invented, the next step is world wide acceptance

@mtutoriales

3 жыл бұрын

@@evansrevenge1681 No it isn’t. Getting blocked on social media is not the same as getting block in real life and you having absolutely no control over it.

Another amazing Black Mirror analysis. I got hyped when I saw this in my sub box.

I love Ur reviews❤️ it's actually on point

one of my favorite episodes

Cannot WAIT for your analysis of San Junipero, which is my favorite. But that's all the way in season 3. :(

Think you put more into this than needed.

This episode confused me so much, so thank you for this

the ending gave me chills

This video has the most fascinating comments section I've ever come across. Lots of really interesting discussion from a variety of different view points.

Cant wait for your take on S3 episodes!! Checking for uploads every day!

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

Peppermint It probably won't be for another month or so before I begin series 3 mate haha

This was the most scariest/disturbing episode IMO. The future implications of this type of technology made it worst than even the rating/like episode.

The reason behind the 'Her body, her choice' slogan is pretty much beacuse the fetus grows inside 'HER' body.The woman is supposed to have control precisely for that reason. It's not a 50/50 situation. The one facing a imminet physical burden is only the one who's giving bith. HOWEVER when it comes to parental rights it's different. Once the child is out of one of their bodies, both parents should have rigths as it's guardians. If the child was indeed his, would't there be any laws to make sure he had acess to her as a guardian? Untill the revealing I kept thinking on how much of a flaw on the show's universe that was.

@starwarfan8342

6 жыл бұрын

And what about the part where the father has to pay nearly two decades of child support to a child he might not even have wanted? Does his right to not become a victim of some money vampire not matter? And the part the part where he actually did want the child, but isn't even allowed to spend time with it because of some divorce bullshit, and STILL has to pay child support? That's what pregnancy means, it decides the fate of both mother and father, so why shouldn't mother and father have equal say in their destinies?

@starwarfan8342

6 жыл бұрын

What is that supposed to mean? The father has nothing to do with it, which means that he doesn't have to pay child support, work himself to death trying to support a kid he might never have even wanted and might not even be allowed to see. Now you said that men should be allowed to have "financial abortions", whatever the hell that means. Does it mean that men won't have to pay child support unless they want to? If so, you need to clarify that. And still you're wrong in multiple ways. You stated: "Pregnancy affects the mother astronomically more than it affects the father. With that being said, men should be able to get financial abortions during the window where a woman could have an abortion." "during the window where a woman could have an abortion" basically means that if that window passes, he's still legally forced to pay child support. What if he didn't even know that a woman he had a one-night stand with got pregnant and she forces him into paying for her decision that she made completely without consulting him. And you're wrong in that women should have final rights to the fetus. Whether or not it agrees with your world view, it takes a man and a woman to make a fetus. You two made that potential child together, and the decision that women make completely without the father's consultation can either rob him of the chance to be a father, or literally rob him financially by forcing him to pay for the child. Like I said, you two made it together, so both of you should have a say. It's like if a person has an idea for an invention and another person helps you out with all the legal stuff like patenting and marketing and all that. You might be the one with the invention (giving birth) but the other still has rights in this, you can't just cut him out and make sure you get all the profits, or that the other has to do all the heavy lifting. You don't want anyone deciding what you do with your body, well what about the father? He has to work harder to support you and your child if you decide to do have it. He has to spend years more of his life working his ass off because he's legally required to pay for you. The effect that can have on a person's health is obviously detrimental. Especially if he's older, and especially if he has a physically demanding job.

@starwarfan8342

6 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day, the father usually ends up giving more financial care of children than the mother, statistically. And the way you're phrasing, it looks like you believe that I'm advocating that the father should have absolute control or the majority of the power in the relationship. I'm merely advocating for equality of say in a relationship. And if the father isn't there anymore when the baby is born, well she's a fully capable adult who can either provide for the child financially herself, just like the man usually ends up doing or she can give it up for adoption. If the father leaves, then that should be seen as basically forfeiting his paternal right You still haven't defined what "financial abortion" means. I'm operating under the assumption that the term means that father's are allowed to decide or have some measure of control over how much and whether they pay. And by not disputing or acknowledging my other arguments and points, by default you're admitting that I'm right. Answer them when you have time please.

@chelseasimonevlogs

6 жыл бұрын

Cad091 the father definitely should not be involved because it’s not his life at risk. A lot of women die during childbirth. And no one should have a right over anyone’s body ever. And I’m a virgin and even I have more common sense than you

@chelseasimonevlogs

6 жыл бұрын

conan263 pregnancy isn’t a 50/50 situation dumbass. You don’t control any woman’s body

Yay - so glad that you're back to reviewing Black Mirror. Our household really enjoys your videos!

@HarrysMovingMedia

7 жыл бұрын

Household? That's fascinating! You don't have to say but I am genuinely interested, what ages are the members of your household?

Keep it up man, great videos!!

When Joe searches for Beth, the asian guy that slept with Beth said "No, leave him." This way the asian guy prevented Joe from fiding out about the cheating...