Thank you so much to Yvette for talking with me about this topic. Check out the link the description for her recommendations for joining the field of astrophysics

@Jesus.the.Christ

8 ай бұрын

I'll get on your case about calling gravity a force. It's not a force. Don't do it. If you're going to be a science communicator, communicate the SCIENCE, not the bullshit.

@bjdefilippo447

8 ай бұрын

This was fascinating! Thanks!

@public.public

8 ай бұрын

Star formation. A new type of star.

@public.public

8 ай бұрын

They are beautiful. Can I call them Black Babies?

@paulamos8970

8 ай бұрын

@@Jesus.the.Christ As I understand it Gravity is a weak Force, but it is still a Force.

Or maybe inside a blackhole, the conditions allow for matter to go faster than light. Some event inside launching stuff back across the event horizon and lossing energy as it does dropping the speed to the universal speed limits of matter outside the blackhole.

Could it be that the "eating" of the star some time later changed the rotation axis of the black hole, such that it's polar jets are aligned towards Earth and observed as a flash?

@mastpg

8 ай бұрын

No

@OwenSkarpness

8 ай бұрын

If that were the case though, we wouldn't expect to see such a high "reignition" rate as such a phenomenon would require such random polar wobble to align with us directly... which seems significantly less likely, of course.

@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475

8 ай бұрын

Yes, that's a possibility. The B.H. shown are just cartoons. Most types of BH don't have thin disks, some have accretion clouds. Depends on spin rate and other factors. So could angular velocity change, and a blazar type jet pop into existence from complex magnetic fields? Depends on magnetic fields of the star, ram pressure, spin, magnetic fields of the BH, and the interactions of all those things. Relativity and time dilation between tidal events and magnetic ejection from accretion clouds are a likely explanation here, and probably the best one (despite her out of hand dismissal of time dilation effects as an explanation.) Most BH don't look like cartoon BH in "Interstellar" movie. So yes, time dilation and the accretion disk are the most likely explanation which fit within known BH behaviours. Black Hole actually "burping" swallowed material is highly _unlikely._ Energy out equals energy in, but with a delay- that's exactly what we're (possibly if the observations hold peer-review) are seeing here. Black Holes are strange, so some unknown thing could be happening, but simple time dilation and cyclotron radiation via transient polar astrophysical jets are entirely possible explanations.

@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475

8 ай бұрын

​@@OwenSkarpnessTheir data shows a broad range of regeneration, from 40% none, to some, to 50% significant. Considering polar jets come in pairs and point 2 directions at once (although not always 180 degrees apart as we know know from neutron star studies)... It would seem slow spinning B.H. being effected by rotational mass inflow would provide plenty of wobble to turn an accretion cloud into a jet. This rather depends on how fast the BH are spinning before they see the star, and relative masses, of course. Referee may point this out in peer-review so they can revise their paper a bit. Slow spinning BH accretion cloud forming into a disk from gravitational energy of an accelerated tidally disrupted star... that fits as well as any explanation they offered. Accretion pressure builds over time, becomes disk-like, and rejects the same amount that fell inward. Could be the poster got it right here, but any other explanations on offer? I haven't heard any others thus far.

@CreepsCompilation

8 ай бұрын

How about, It's NOT a BLACK HOLE

I've had a theory that a massive object orbiting the black hole, such as a smaller black hole, would alter the shape of the larger black hole's event horizon. The event horizon would shift closer to the center. This might allow matter just inside the event horizon to suddenly find itself on the outside.

@venoltar

7 ай бұрын

I like your way of thinking, it is good to prod at this kind of stuff to reach a better understanding. A physical way to picture this it is to draw a circle on a balloon and put a dot just inside the edge of that circle. Poke your finger into the balloon on the opposite side from the dot and the shape of the circle will indeed warp and appear to move (along with the dot), but there is still no way for the dot to end up outside that circle without physically disassembling the balloon. In this example the balloon is space-time, the circle is the event horizon and your finger is a new source of gravity influencing it. Any force that can alter the event horizon in any way, will naturally alter the position of its contents at the same time.

@paulpickett4522

7 ай бұрын

@@venoltar What an incredibly respectful, disagreeing response. I have found the white side of the internet ❤

Great explanation and fantastic graphics, thank you Ben.

Another great video Ben! Wonderful set of questions you covered with Yvette, and loved her little anecdote on her strangest day😂 the astronomers equivalent of winning the lottery? Who knows where this new discovery may go....

I don't grasp if the studies are saying that the star material are escaping of the black hole itself (like behind of the evento horizon) or is escaping of the acretion disc ??

@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475

8 ай бұрын

Almost certainly NOT from the event horizon. Not if these objects are truly black holes.

Great channel. Would love some longer format, slightly deeper dive clips too ❤

@kickasskris

7 ай бұрын

11 mins IS pretty long for most of the viewers on KZread. 😂That said I agree. Well put together video.

That Spaceballs clip... I saw that movie dozens of times as a kid, and only now did I just actually get the joke in that scene as I thought about it.

Amazing news, this is the shit that should get on all news channel all the time.

Dr. Ben Miles, thank you for bringing up Yvette Cendes' work. It is easily some of the most interesting and significant sets of astronomical data I've seen in years. My comment earlier today, 22 Sep 2023, is now a CC BY 4.0 DOI-registered paper with five figures (the figures help): T. Bollinger, _Black Hole Burps and the Asymmetric Orbital Scale Hypothesis,_ TAO Physics *2023,* 0922 (2023).

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

And thank you Yvette Cendes for naming it "Jetty Mc Jetface"

Time could be different around a Blackhole. The Star could have been virtual for a while. Magnetism returns to Dielectric energy inside a blackhole. It's not that Light can't escape a Blackhole/Counterspacial Sink. It's Light can't exist in a Blackhole/Counterspacial Sink. Magnetism returns to Dielectric energy, no transverse waves Nodes, for Light to propagate on.

A black hole actually expelling material has always made sense to me. If indeed they are just super dense blobs of material, there would be a point where the pressure inside the black hole would exceed its ability to hold on. It's like a pressure relief valve.

@b1zzler

7 ай бұрын

i suppose it’s possible that some kind of completely insane physics is occasionally going on inside the event horizon that blocks matter from actually passing through the event horizon- perhaps spreading out into a black shell of degenerate matter. Then when the insanity within subsides, the shell fractures violently, re-igniting the accretion disk

@maxdurbin3033

7 ай бұрын

Shouldn't the black hole just get bigger? I don't think it's actually bubble like where there's a tension that can pop

The 100% confidence in theory based upon observation from a single point of view at a distance of billions of light years is staggering; in any other field of science and engineering, you would run around and have a look at wants happening on the other side...

I wonder if the star's core could survive and orbit for a while, maybe picking up material from the accretion disk, and then finally undergo some kind of final catastrophe a few years later? Maybe like a Type 1A supernova?

@jokerace8227

8 ай бұрын

An interesting thought you have there. (ツ)☕ ☕(ツ)

@dangeary2134

7 ай бұрын

Mind if I expand on this? We know that the mass below the Event Horizon is not subject to the laws of physics. That may well mean that the mass is spinning way beyond the speed of light. If the mass destabilizes, it may get elongated within the lines of the Event Horizon, and eventually going beyond the limit of the horizon, and be able to escape the confines of that area. Any correlations of what size these black holes are?

@michaelgraalum381

7 ай бұрын

Another good option would be a large Jupiter scale planet which had been orbiting falling in after a delay

@dangeary2134

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelgraalum381 what if it was a random object that just plunged in? That seems more plausible.

Could any of these black holes, be in any way, shape, or form, connected? (Like the IN's, the OUT's of possible wormholes?) Could the fabric of space-time bend in such a way, that it turns a black hole into a wormhole-ish type phenomena?

@kayjay4060

7 ай бұрын

The problem is space-time is not one thing. You can have space without time. Actually without matter and space you can't have time. Space itself is timeless.

the story of the universe is indeed the most grand, not sure how people get so lost in daily minutiae

@MrKalashnikov47

7 ай бұрын

There isn't hardly a mind on this planet that can think in a scale from Columbs to CME in terms of electromagnetism.

Could the fact that a black hole is spinning relate to the time we see the burp. For example, if the burp occurs on the far side of the spin it would be ejected away from our point of observation vs if the ejection occurs on our side of the black hole. And could the timing of ejection be related to the size and rotational speed of the black hole?

@brendanh8193

7 ай бұрын

That is a great question. If the star remnants fell into the ergosphere, would we be able to see it? Theoretically, half the mass can be ejected by the ergosphere, if we let the other half fall in, gaining some of the momentum of the black hole spin.

Thanks. I can only imagine the strange stories being told about all this.

Very nicely told! It's great how you tackle science publications and interview publishers! About the theories regarding the matter ejected: You should consider that the accretion disk is ejecting material. I guess, your understanding of its conditions and physics is young. Many things could happen there. Example: After a disruptive event like "eating a start" (imagine! ;-)), the disc could stabilize to reach a state where it is filled with this new amount of matter, leading to a type of "spontaneous combustion", may be triggered by invisible secondary "collisions" ? How about: the star still had a lot of nuclear fuel. What if this starts to "reignite", once the accretion disc gets denser ? My favorite model for now: It's an effect of the disc. DISC-O-RADIO

well this is a new perspective indeed

This is what I think about it 😅: Nothing can come out of a black hole so the material we observe was not beyond the event horizon yet. Couldn’t it be that on the edge of the event horizon, material gathers in a way that it become invisible to observe? It’s smeared out so to say. Due to the spinning of the black hole the material gathers to a point that it has so much mass that it is spit out again? Many greetings from the Netherlands!

@backseatsamurai

7 ай бұрын

have you considered that black holes are fake, and what we are looking at is a plasmoid? birthing stars, just like stars birth planets? ever notice how cosmology hasnt made a single prediction thats come true regarding any of these topics? meanwhile, WalThornhill and electric universe model, have made numerous rediction thatcame true. imo, its the correct model, and our current model is pushed forward to keep mainstream physics from discovering the truth, becuz then everybodyt would discover free energy, discover howe to buikld UAP's and instantaneous weapon systems. Heavysides papers were altered and hidden about some key points regarding electro magnetic waves " bouncing" of each other. Why?

All sorts of wonderful, thank you.

Sometimes i think the internet is messing with me. New information, old information, believed information,informed information,shared information,trusted information,hawker information! Sometimes i think it tries to make me forget who i really am while i watch this stuff. I know its crazy type, paranoia probably. I always remember who's in control. I have a real life.

Good coverage

I just love scientists naming things. Such simplistic beauty.

Perhaps solve for one or more stellar mass semi-stable rings of non-ionized matter (or other matter that could be 'dark' in some sense in the immediate environment around the black hole) processing around until instability or interaction with another ring causes it to become visible.

Is it possible that the light coming from the star was absorbed by the BH as it got closer to it. Time may have slowed down for the star on its approach so it appeared to be missing for awhile when it was close to the BH

I would say star material can bound around, or a little more then, the speed of light at the event horizon, but possibly not fal in and end up falling out. I would like to see a study showing if some of these stars bounded around the blackhole then fell out in the past, not the future.

Nice video, great idea to talk directly to the author of the research. Having said that, I still think that just mentioning the Hawking radiation without details would be better than providing the bogus explanation of it.

Maybe it is because a black hole is an sphere, there is a vector that might allow mass to be ejected back as it collides with itself inside its surface, just once it has reached a synchronic phase for the collition to happen. An alternative hypothesis would be that whatever is inside the black hole, might react with the incoming stellar mass in such a way that it bounces with a great force.

To address the first point where this only happens with some black holes / stars and not others, it could be that these stars have a different composition to others. It could also be a factor where the black holes themselves are stronger / weaker to allow this event to occur. Given that, although we don't know for sure what's inside the event horizon, if a star were pulled to (or around) an infinitesimally small point, it would accelerate so fast that some of that material could be slingshot back out with enough force to be able to break free. We don't know what astronomical forces could be applied within, but could it be within the realms of possibility that it could exceed that threshold. Given that this occurs within the event horizon, time dilation would occur and this could be why we're seeing this happening years later.

Two theories 1) When the black hole rips apart the star, some of the matter gets pulled through a wormhole event. What we are seeing is the matter being flung out, potentially orbiting the black hole from a different point in the universe and reentering. 2) Black holes are actually 4 dimensional projections in our 3 dimensional space. Meaning that some of the matter of the star was looped into an "invisible" Lagrange point and stably orbited a point outside of the projection that we have within our view. So the matter was there all along, but we just can't see it inside of our narrow view.

Could these be dark matter stars basically phasing through a black hole and losing all regular matter and then appearing again after the black hole replaced the spacetime it condenses with 'new' spacetime from the direction it was traveling in relative to the star?

fascinating, thank you

I think it is more likely that the spagettified star which gets flung outward far enough away that it's plasma state settles to inert gas and materials some distance from the black hole and far enough away that it takes several years for it to infall back into the black hole.

Singularities are only present in theories. In reality, there is no infinite density. So a correct theory will need to be developed in the future which will account for black holes to have a finite size and finite density inside. This is a well-known fact about black holes. The presence of a singularity shows that the theory has broken down at that point.

Maybe she talked about it with regard to "outflow", but couldn't chunks of material in the accretion disk slowly make their way inward toward the black hole, and when they are pulled in the "burp" happens?

@travisking9895

7 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

Your content and presentation are head and shoulders above most of what's on KZread. Which gives me hope that one day you will decide it's worthwhile to sort out "phenomenon" (singular) and "phenomena" (plural), thus adding to the infosphere one more site where we won't have to grit our teeth over the phrase "a phenomena". (One Keyboard Warrior to another.)

just for the record, that star smelled a bit off and the last digit of the expiration date was missing…

Given the immense gravitational pull of a black hole towards the singularity, my theory is that anything engulfed by the black hole is orbiting inside it, around the central point. A star, in this case, would be condensed down under the forces and would condensed. It would also undergo a “plug hole” effect, where it orbits faster and faster the closer to the singularity it gets. This would then, theoretically, mean it could travel faster than light, and once it reaches sufficient speeds to counter the gravitational force of the Black Hole, would be ejected. It would explain also why the object leaving a black hole is only travelling at 60% of Light speed, which wouldn’t be enough to escape the event horizon.

@KieranLeCam

7 ай бұрын

What scientists will tell you is that matter cannot travel faster than light. It gets harder and harder to accelerate, until it is no longer possible to accelerate further. This is Relativity by Einstein. However, we know the theory should break down. Because it does not work with Quantum mechanics. Could allowing something, anything to travel faster than light be the missing component to explain these burps in the way you're describing, or some other way? Perhaps.

Assuming that a BH is ordered internally was without foundation. Since I no of NO BHs that are naked, the rotation of BHs seems to be the standard form. The insertion of a large mass will destabilize them. That this causes internal turmoil leading to an ejection of material is fascinating.

Perhaps we are observing some laminar flow pattern become turbulant. Much like smoke rising from a cigarette has smooth laminar flow that erupts into tubulance as estimated by Reynolds number

If the material comes from beneath the event horizon, could blackholes temporarily/occasionally turn into whiteholes?

@Cardioid2035

8 ай бұрын

That actually could be a plausible explanation

Like a tropical depression magnetic I suppose? Perhaps the outer perimeter has something to do with this? Keeping it and getting rid of it due well the the weather and or magnetism ( you can tell I don't know can't you?LOL)

Maybe it might be as simple as material orbiting within the event horizon and being sped up to beyond light speed inside that horizon before hitting escape velocity. After leaving the EH it slows due to gravitation to a less than light speed velocity but still high enough to keep moving away from the black hole. Just a guess.

What we (should) have discovered by this is that the objects in the sky that we have labelled black holes are not, in fact, black holes. But that will never be admitted because it is heresy. Try to find some different physics (hint - electricity and magnetism in plasma) and see whether you can come up with better explanation for the lights in the sky that we currently blame on black holes.

Could it be that the light around the black hole is distorted to the point that it looks like this happened, but it didn’t actually happen like that?

What about the mass ejected in the relativistic jets when the star was being consumed? The last bit of it still in the immediate area of the black hole may have been caught back...

Where time and space swap places, matter never reaches the centre, it just keeps slowing down as it falls there. Its not that badly squashed, you just have multiple things occupying the same space at different times.

So I'm thinking since the event horizon is a boundary you cannot see could it be possible that a solar body that survives the intensity of crossing that boundary and enters inside could possibly be flung around the singularity at such force that it actually exceeds the velocity needed to exit the atmosphere of the black hole much like our rockets do when leaving earth

Stars are not single entities, in that they are the centre f a star system. Could the "burp" be the destruction of a planet with an orbit that is far from its sun?

@mastpg

8 ай бұрын

...because of how easy it is to mix up planets and stars?

I kept hearing Star Destroying event - my Star Wars fanboy self kept imagining a Star Destroyer jumping out of light speed like the imposing juggernaut it’s meant to be

My over-simplified guess is that it is something like when an inter-planetary probe does a slingshot maneuver with one planet to gain speed for the next leg of its journey to another planet and we just don't really understand enough about what can happen within the event horizon.

how do we know it was the same matter that was originally swallowed, and not other matter that was riding a spacial seam going in another direction than the x/y/z streets? Or like how a photon can take ages to make its way from the core of a star to the outer layers before it finally emerges and shoots its way into space? (peripheral cross-connections?)

Perhaps the star got ripped apart accelerating to the speed of light as it becomes spaghettified it was small enough in mass that easily hits the speed of light and close enough to event horizon to experience time dilation without being pulled in, this causes a buildup of material to suddenly arrive at the same point in time with enough mass to burst out.

My guess as to why there's an RF burst much later on: The photon started out as a gamma, but had to give up a tonne of energy to get out, and appears as a radio wave, instead of a really energetic wavelength of gamma, as it went in. Like photons from the core of the sun take quite some time to reach the surface, they've lost a good deal of energy along the way, in order that the sun is a G class optical dwarf star and not an x-ray source, as is the core. Prediction: Star-stuff coming out will have red-shifted to a degree where the original material shows itself in a spectrogram of RF. Hydrogen will be found in RF.

A strange phenomena? That's an interesting expressions.

If a black hole has a surface, its probably irregular. Enough irregularities over time would form miniscule valleys and mountains and whenever those tried to equalize back to a perfect sphere, the results would be catastrophic. Even if it's only like 4 quarks that fall into a valley thats 2 quarks deep, they did so with near infinite mass and at possibly beyond the speed of light. I'm basically taking the idea of a neutron star quake and scaling it up.

If our Universe resides within a Black Hole, what would the observable effects be if the Black Hole, and thus our Universe, began to evaporate due to Hawkins Radiation?

@pillarmenn1936

8 ай бұрын

It would probably look like the expansion of the universe went in reverse because our Black Hole universe is shrinking. Not a physicist though so take my comment with a grain of salt.

@luminousfractal420

8 ай бұрын

Expansion? Timescales allowing Ive always thought expansion was more pop bottle bubble than big bang, praise be. Perhaps were just caught in an eddi of galactic fluid someplace contracting and expanding with a whole ocean of possibilities around us. (Were not so good at scale either 😂)

You all got me thinking; it'd be interesting to see a black hole burped up a neutron star, like how would that even work. As soon as you start spaghettifying neutronium it would explode from a lack of uniform pressure. And what would the pressure wave look like with space time curved so radically. How would the explosion be effected?

In my opinion, infinite density is a mathematical blur. It doesn’t make sense to me because the Universe couldn’t be if this was true because a singularity can’t explode…

Its been theorized that if you are in a ship and travel close to the no escape zone you could escape by ejecting a huge mass in effect turning your ship into a mass driver. If this is possible then a star could fall in and at a point explode..meaning half the star would be shot/fall in at 99% the speed of light and the half facing away should benifit from the force heading in pushing it out.

@Sniperboy5551

7 ай бұрын

Theoretically, but you’d probably need something at least a few stellar masses for that to work.

So is it inside or outside the event horizon? Its weird because its within, but it not a time effect because its without 🤨 Sounds to me like its an effect thats outside the event horizen that has more to do with the complex system of stellar reminents in the accretion disc than the black hole itself. Like a sudden release of energy from a hardy stellar fragment finally being ripped apart or somthing. 🤔

Could it be because time flows differently near the black hole and maybe 3 earth years for us is only few minutes for the black hole

Could be the dense matter at the core of a star finally going down the plughole so to speak, after the lighter matter was stripped away. at the beginning of the observed event..

Is there a maximum mass a black hole may acquire ? So that after reaching the threshold it would release the excessive mass in a sudden outburst ?

@incription

8 ай бұрын

no, there is no limit, even theoretically. Largest black hole observed is ~10^11 solar masses

@mastpg

8 ай бұрын

Yes, black holes can accrete no more than eleventy units. After that mass rebounds off them with perfect conservation of energy.

I wonder whether it's possible to discount Hawking radiation from further considerations entirely? The reason being that an analysis I saw suggested that it shouldn't occur until the energy density (temperature) of the universe dropped to an extremely low value - a few degrees above absolute zero. ? As to what is happening making these events possible, perhaps the orbit of stellar material is not only chaotic (a non-uniform distribution of material) but with some in highly eccentric/elliptical orbits rather than more-or-less circular orbits and some being flung off due to gravitational interactions between concentrations of matter in some spots.

Mass entered the black hole and somehow accelerated beyond light speed and made it out My layman guess. If this is possible, information is preserved past the even horizon then, right? Or is it only when information hits the singularity is information lost?

Is it possible this data could show signs to the black holes age. Or potentialy how.much time passes for the meterial to pass the event horizon to reach the inner centwr how ever its best worded. This would alow us to know how much space rime may be within the event horizon? Love to ponder.

@lyonscultivars

7 ай бұрын

If its happening so consistently its possible its the first data leak we found to actualy measuring more aspects of the black holes.

@lyonscultivars

7 ай бұрын

Is it not possible that a blackhole is just trapped spacetime with the matter srill in place so if the black hole looses ground and unravels some of its consumed space time it would drag bsck out the matter with it that was in x space and time

Giving a like for my favorite scene in spaceballs! 😂🤣

The cause of the outburst could be linked to instances of local spatial inflation occurring inside the black hole. Light may be bound within the event horizon but space is not. Perhaps we've discovered Warp Bubbles expelling material within their own erupting bubbles of spatial acceleration. This would be consistent with the known laws of physics and would mean that 'ejected' material never travels faster than the speed of lignt.

Following Hawking's theory, half in half out, but what if the latter half doesn't necessarily go in but orbits slowly then somewhat like a CME it gets ejected.

Does this mean that after crossing the event horizon, matter is travelling faster then the speed of light?

Any chance it could be another small black hole being swallowed by the first one. Wouldn't be visable but would could be at other wave lengths?

@michaelverhulst6298

7 ай бұрын

Possibly something like that. But pure BH on BH collisions don't emit an observable flash like what is observed in these studies. Perhaps it's a 3 body collision? 2 black holes + a planet?

Incredibly engrssing video, it will be interseting to hear the peer responses to the paper, if you are able Dr Miles.

Since Black Holes severely warp space time, when a black hole compresses an object, it actually decompress it out again but relative to us it can take years! All because of like I said how severe they warp space time. A photon can take 7 minutes from the sun to us but for the photon itself, was an instant.

E=MC2 shows that light speed speed causes infinite mass and time stops at the speed of light. Black hole gravity pulls harder than the speed of light. So does anything caught in the accretion disc ever cross the event horizon. Does the black hole really absorb any matter at all?

@alwaysdisputin9930

8 ай бұрын

The Schwarzchild metric says "Time stops at the event horizon". but the Schwarzchild metric is wrong. The Schwarzchild metric produces 2 singularities. 1 at the centre of the BH & 1 at the event horizon. The singularity at the event horizon means there is infinite time there so clocks don't seem to tick at the event horizon. However you can get rid of the singularity at the event horizon by choosing a different metric. Similarly all lines of latitude on a globe of earth converge at the north pole. The distance between them gradually reduces to zero. However this zero is just produced because we're trying to fit straight lines on to a 3d ball. There's no actual zero at the north pole. Just redraw the lines in a different way & the zero disappears

I would have called it Black Hold flatulence...

Pressure. Stars are held together by balancing the outward pressure of their fusion and the gravity pulling them inward. Either goes out of balance and the star dies. So my first thought is just eating a star sometimes causes a pressure differential. We don't need physics to stop, nothing has to go faster than light. A pressure buildup just ejects material out of the event horizon. Stars are layered in different pressure areas. See no reason why the area beyond an event horizon wouldn't be. The blackhole itself is deep at the bottom but there should be interactions between it and the horizon. Sometimes a localized pressure wave could eject matter out of the event horizon without breaking the rules. A different set of laws are interacting. There is simply enough pressure at the inner edge of the event horizon to for a moment counteract the gravity pulling the matter inward. A flair.

The black holes spin at ultra high speeds around their axis and produce gamma ray burst, when feeding on stars or massive nebulas, at that time the black hole becomes a quasar and jets of super high energy shoots from the rotational poles. The electromagnetic fields, a black hole produces extend millions of miles far into space affecting the rotation of regions within a galaxy, or an entire galaxy.

Still don’t get how you say no time dilation? You know how space is warped around BHs as well, so what might look like a swallow could be a near miss, dragging half the star down to pop out 100 years later?

Could enough of the spaghettified stellar material be corralled together to reignite fusion ?

@giovaniconte1860

7 ай бұрын

That's what i thought as well! Could an imbalance in the distribution of mass around the acretion disc enable enough gravitation to form a new object that instantly torns appart? I can't even imagine the kind of forces acting there but It is a nice thought experiment. Sry for bad english...

Could it be a white hole? Wouldn’t a black hole look the same as a white hole gravitationally? Wouldn’t they both tear a star apart, but the white hole would shoot that mass back into space?

Not even light can escape the black hole, so the burp cannot have happened inside the “no escape” zone of the black hole. I suspect that the gravity is so strong thst it torn the star into pieces before it even gets the black hole

Do most physicists agree that black holes are simply super dense spheres of mass not unlike neutron stars whose neutrons are touching neutrons with no apparent motion, black holes have another level of gravity and density that has the quarks and gluons pressed together with no remaining apparent motion or vibrations at all that have become dense enough that their event horizon diameter exceeds the sphere’s diameter, going black from our view? I think Einstein's wrong, that time is constant and that dark matter is the limiting factor to the speed of light. I think it’s not 'space-time' bending but rather gravitational and dark matter density variations.

Maybe the interior of the black hole is simply eventually slowly gradually peeling out from the inside some matter that will not comply all the way under such gravity, contrary to the rest of whatever is in there, tight and organized all the way down to the tiniest of particles. Something thrown into the black hole or some reaction inside transforms some matter into something not compatible emanating from the core after each star is swallowed.

@yiptastic12

7 ай бұрын

If light cannot escape, any explosion inside the black hole must overcome the gravitational force first.

Could it be a light echo of the original event temporarily trapped near the event horizon?

@michaelverhulst6298

7 ай бұрын

possibly yes, but if such an echo was "trapped" -- by what mechanistic effect does it become un-trapped and released into the wider universe for us to observe?

@mikeofborg2

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelverhulst6298 the light could be in orbit around the event horizon, but not crossing it, eventually then popping free maybe. As long as the photons don't cross the event horizon they could stay in orbit for a very long time. Then maybe they eventually gain enough angular momentum to escape the gravity well near the EH. Just an idea.

I think its odd that we cant measure the speed of light in one direction…. And we are moving… and the transmissions of light are moving, and we try to determine how fast things move and how far they are with “light years” That measurement is going to not make sense after awhile… we’ll learn that light travels like sound, and our movement is skewing the results… alot.

Let me quote you: " ..is something that we don't really understand.." The current school of physics, i.e. the one you graduated from really really doesn't understand the relationship between what you call 'black holes' and the mechanism that relaunches the expansion events of the cyclic universe.

Since the black hole has less mass than the star that supposedly created it, how come the star itself wasn't a black hole yet the stuff it left behind after expelling much of its mass becomes a black hole that can trap even light from escaping?

I'm betting that the delay is caused by the orbit of the partially eaten material is just not visible most of the time due to the warping of space. When the orbit is closest to us, we can see the burp. As it's away, we can't see it. Like how sloped armor works. From one angle you can pen. Others you can't.

I think you are / we are thinking about the event horizon and gravitational effect wrong. Since the space time gets stretched, so does the objects in it. So it’s more of a gravitational lens, rather than being pulled apart. Which is why objects may very well “survive”.

Those are exit point. We need to find the ends of a single hole. With frequency, color, or speed.

I wonder if the spagetified layers of the star act differently.

Turns out you aren't doomed to a one way trip out of this universe, going into a black hole. Everyone who said that was the case, with certainty, is looking mighty stupid right now.

Could fit reignite like a fire under a forest?

Interesting. Sabine pointed out that we assume the speed of light can't be violated, but don't know that for sure- it could be a math issue. Similarly, we don't know for sure that black holes are a singularity. If, for example, a black hole was twice as big as we assume, ie2 singularities within the event borzoi, that world change the eh width

One star causing two events? Sometimes the simplest explanation is correct. When a star is torn apart by a black hole about 1/2 of it's mass enters the accretion disk and 1/2 of it gets spaghettified and crosses the event horizon. Months or years later the half that entered the accretion disk crosses the event horizon. It seems so simple that the better question is why would we not expect to see this happen?

@abelincoln7473

7 ай бұрын

I had a very similar thought but by a different process. My thought was more a case of as such : upon reaching the accretion disk some portion of the stellar material is drawn in,consumed, and eventually converted to radiation. I think the second event is that material that is yet undiscovered, that remains cooling down into the spectrum of visible light. Its not an ejection of material but the afterglow.

Some questions: Is it possible that objects, such as a smaller black hole, neutron star, magnetar, pulsar, or white dwarf star could be what we're seeing here? There are many size classifications of stars and black holes and other interstellar objects. Most of these could be pulled in towards a black hole's event horizon and would therefore orbit in the accretion disk prior to being sucked into the black hole. Were the discoverers of these ejected objects able to identify with certainty that there was no way these objects were ejected from the accretion disk around the black hole, and not from the black hole itself? If a sufficiently large quantity of matter in an accretion disk is moving fast enough, it could get propelled out at high speed. Black holes have also been observed to eject large amounts of x-ray emissions whenever certain large stars are absorbed into a black hole. Are observers tracking whether these emissions are coming from the polar regions of the black holes or are they coming from specific other regions of the black holes?