Holding them at gunpoint just lost him any chance of maintaining parental rights to that child.

@MarcusTheJR

Жыл бұрын

People get desperate when you take away all their rights.

@greenbeantm1096

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcusTheJRexcept he still had rights. All he had to do was contest the adoption legally.

@MarcusTheJR

Жыл бұрын

@GreenBeanTM I've been in the foster care system. It takes months for the issues to be fixed. And that young man probably doesn't have any resources.. So he chose violence. If your okay with someone making life choices, without you having a say so, then do you

@greenbeantm1096

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcusTheJR he also left. So the decision was made before he came back. Imo the second he walked out sealed his decision of not wanting the kid so he doesn’t get a say. There also organizations set up to help parents fight for custody if they can’t afford a private lawyer. He had options and choosing violence was only going to work against him, not help him.

@alexandramoyer8785

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcusTheJR it was still his fault.

Dude abandoned her for the whole pregnancy and can’t take no for an answer. He doesn’t deserve to be a father.

@alicatfelix5144

3 ай бұрын

No he said he need try to talk to her for mouths with an s meaning for the 1-9 mouth when he found out and got that job he need try to talk to her or her parents but they stop him he didn't abandon them or her Would you want to have no job your mother sick like really sick try to help your mum then fine out your going to be an dad it to much stress All we know he was told that after he lost his job and his mum was sick for me as an teen to see this I would be horror find like I would be so stress I would be out of the pitcher then come back then it cool down like mum not sick I got an good job I hade time to think then get block from the mother of your baby can't talk to them untill the birth of your baby but hey that can't be me why I am an girl not an boy Don't take the girl side look at the bigger picture your don't know the parents could hate him an block him from the gf mama baby life and lie to her we dont know ahnahh

@craigclermond8001

2 ай бұрын

does that mean if a mom takes the child and abandons a dad for years, she has no right to come back 12 years later and demand child support? using your logic

@hexes5122

2 ай бұрын

​@@alicatfelix5144 he literally never said he tried calling her for months. What he said was "you never answer my calls" and then basically admitted he wouldn't be there without the job. He could have come to her at any time before that, but he waited until he heard from her friend that she was in the hospital. Just proof that he obviously didn't try very hard.

@hexes5122

2 ай бұрын

@@craigclermond8001 your comment has no logic because no one was talking about child support. she wasn't keeping the baby, she was giving it away because theyre both high schoolers.

@craigclermond8001

2 ай бұрын

@@hexes5122 maybe youre slow. I brought up the point because a comment said he loss his rights because he wasn't there for 9 months. I pointed out there are many cases where guys arent even told they have a kid and years later the mom can just come back and demand payments. Tired of the bs double standard. High schooler or not he should have rights if the child is his.If she doesn't want the child as the dad he should have the option to take responsibility before giving it to a stranger. At the very least he should have say in who adopts the child. Its sickening society sees dads as less than human.

For people defending him, in no way would you or anyone else want a trigger-happy father. Run from responsibilities for almost a year then come back being aggressive when something doesn’t go your way. Who knows what else.

@ayajade6683

Жыл бұрын

Given how many defending him are also spouting men's right and incel rhetoric they'd probably do the exact same thing or something worse because someone said no to them.

@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq

Жыл бұрын

Communication is must between girlfriend and her boyfriend. He just abandoned her after finding out that she was pregnant with his child. She never responded to her call made by him and she skipped the part where he might be ready to become father of her child. Both should be put on jail because both of these teenage couple I mean the boyfriend and girlfriend are ones to cause the havoc due to lack of communication between them then leading the father to this. This not about rights of what gender they belong to. This problem of their communication between this girlfriend and her boyfriend. I think both should be arrested for creating havoc.

@Catilena1890

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention, he ran from the hard part of the pregnancy and is only showing up when he thinks she is ready to pop. When the honeymoon phase of Fatherhood fades and he realizes that taking care of a baby is actual work, who is to say he won't just dip again? Leave the mom to deal with all the hard parts of parenting and then come back when the baby is able to play and be independent?

@stupidben999

Жыл бұрын

@@ayajade6683 LOL more straw man attacks.

@margaretschaufele6502

11 ай бұрын

I think he lost his mind. He was emotional and not thinking clearly. I wish someone either from the hospital or one if her parents could have talked to him and discussed if he was really ready for the responsibility. He could try to be in the kids life in a clear headed fashion rather than thinking emotionally, and losing it and bringing a gun into a hospital and insisting on running away with his ex girlfriend and the baby.

"I'm taking my baby and Lily and we're getting out of here.... Give me my son. You don't have a choice," Bruh you shot your child's grandfather and threatened his grandmother. The entitlement is on another scale.

@angelicanewton2458

Жыл бұрын

That wasn't the grandmother, that the adoptive mother. But I agree with you. He was wrong the moment he showed claiming he made a mistake. He had 9 months to realize he wanted to be with her.

@shawnzhou1255

Жыл бұрын

Cowards and faint-hearted runaways Look for orations when the foe is near: Our swords shall play the orators for us.

@philipcearley1992

Жыл бұрын

He had his chance and he blew it.

@crystaleuwing8411

Жыл бұрын

@@angelicanewton2458 no those were lilys parents

@angelicanewton2458

Жыл бұрын

@@crystaleuwing8411 No, the dad was man was the girls father. The woman was the adoptive mother. The girl even said she was adopting her baby.

If he just contested the adoption legally he would have had a chance. Using weaponized force with violent intent ruined his chances. No decent judge would have listened to him with the choices he made. So sad.

@johnnythao

Жыл бұрын

He's a teenager, I'm pretty sure that knowledge won't fly across his head unless an adult told him about it.

@trivonnereid769

Жыл бұрын

@@Annah.k not all teens are mentally capable

@cici_tlb4009

Жыл бұрын

People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby. This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.

@mythicalashley9542

Жыл бұрын

Then he should have no right to raise a child

@tyrese3745

Жыл бұрын

Now… his life is ruined.

I think the father has a right to the child and should consent for adoption, but if he abandoned her when he found out she was pregnant and said he didn't want it, well... you can't let someone go through 9 months of stress and planning and then come in and be like, "oh, yeah. I changed my mind. I'm an important person in this situation." How long until you change your mind again?

@LadyMFUnicorn

Жыл бұрын

Correct he made his Choice and now he regrets it. If he wants the baby he needs to go through court.

@ultrasoulviver

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, if you don’t want the baby anyway and the father seems to really care about the child the father should have a say on adoption, you have every right to say he’ll be a single father but no right to say he doesn’t have a right to care for his child

@stephenchapasko5185

Жыл бұрын

@@ultrasoulviver no he doesn't he abandoned her for nine MONTHS if he did not want to get involved then he shouldn't be involved now

@ultrasoulviver

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenchapasko5185 he abandoned the mother for 9 months not the baby, a father’s responsibility doesn’t start until birth, then it’s up to the to them provide, as I’ve said she had the right to say you’ll be a single parent.

@Sharklover123100

Жыл бұрын

A mother has 6 months AFTER an adoption to change her mind. Why is a father not given the same choice

For anyone saying that he has the right to his child needs to watch the episode. Part of the reason she decided to go with adoption and not tell him is because he (the father) abandoned her and disappeared when she told him she was pregnant. He decided last minute when he found out she was in the hospital that he wanted her and the baby.

@Rachel-xg7hs

Жыл бұрын

I see that. I think what some of us mean is that he’s still legally the father until he signs over his parental rights. Legally being a father doesn’t make you a good father, certainly.

@MissKitae

Жыл бұрын

And yet, he still has the legal right to contest the adoption, up to the ppint of forcing a DNA test if she claims she doesn't know. But none of that makes for a medical drama.

@ashlynfoust4400

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but he said he was going through a hard time with his mother being sick and stuff when he first found out. It doesn't matter if he changes his mind. That's his baby he should have the right to it too.

@musicallytea5721

Жыл бұрын

@@MissKitae and yet he decided to shoot her father, force her to give birth at gun point and then attempt to kidnap the child

@musicallytea5721

Жыл бұрын

@@ashlynfoust4400 so that gives him the right to abandon his family? Everyone goes through hard times but you don't see them holding the mother of his child, and a whole hospital at gun point

"im taking lilly" he is one of those dudes who would eventually kill the mom and children as he sees them as his property to take as he sees fit. he almost killed mom and baby multiple times by firing gunshots near them, traumatizing the mom during pregnancy, making pregnancy as traumatic and dangerous as possible by effectively not allowing her to be moved to get the best medicine, ease of access to medical equipment, and tried to drag them out of the hospital immediately post birth which would have been excruciatingly dangerous for the mom and make baby miss out on important post partum care, etc. He didn't want the baby, he wanted his "property" and his "ideal life"

@rezaulkarim9198

8 ай бұрын

Agreed

As someone who IS ADOPTED I can tell ya absolutely NO JUDGE OR SOCIAL SERVICES will let ANY MAN LIKE HIM NEAR A CHILD

@andreasanchez1453

Жыл бұрын

Thank god !

@-el_bandito

Жыл бұрын

What tipped you off? The shooting people?

@CowFairy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Sherlock

@Ray_Shabaz

Жыл бұрын

Don't you mean any PARENT like him? There are some sick mothers out there as well and they get let off the hook until the child is DISCOVERED that it's near death or worse dead within days, weeks, months, or sometimes years later

@peterfraney7931b

11 ай бұрын

@@CowFairy No need to be sarcastic. Do you parents know that you have an account. You have to be 13 to have an account you know this right?

I agree with the mom (Lily) and her decision. Though she may have not known that he was THIS unstable, he abandoned her for the entire pregnancy then thinks he can come back once he finds out she’s in the hospital, shoots her dad, a security officer, and holds the entire floor at gun point.

@Ray_Shabaz

Жыл бұрын

And still shouts out for him like she still cares about him when he got shot. Almost like a moment where you don't realize what you have until it's gone

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention nearly killing her/their child by refusing to let the doctors take care of them/denying them the medical treatment they clearly needed 😡

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

@@Ray_Shabaz Oh, come on! Can’t even imagine ALL the emotions she was feeling/will be feeling afterwards! Despite everything he did, they were in a relationship/he’s the FATHER of her child. I’m sure she wanted him to be punished, but I highly doubt she wanted him dead!!!

@theotherstar7040

11 ай бұрын

Biological mothers (and father) both need to be involved in the decision for adoption. Otherwise it can lead to sever issues down the line. What the mother did here ( despite him breaking mentally and abandoning her) was the incorrect way to approach an adoption cause aside of the father actually having rights in this scenario it also puts the adoptive parents at risk down the line of dad fights back in the court system. However this made for better entertainment television.

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

@@theotherstar7040 I completely agree w/ both biological parents being involved in the adoption process, but David flat removed HIMSELF from the situation/made no effort to be involved/just left her to deal w/ it by herself! Sorry, but personally I just feel like you don’t get to bail on responsibility for nearly a year/waltz back at last sec & demand you suddenly have a say 😐

Are people really downplaying his clearly abusive and violent tendencies because they "understand where he's coming from"? Wtf is up with this comment section?

@theofficialphoenixtv5765

Жыл бұрын

you havent experienced this type of situation then you cant understand it...obviously

@chae1557

Жыл бұрын

​@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 doesn't take a genius to know that he's clearly unhinged and a danger to everyone around him.

@slutlmao9254

Жыл бұрын

@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 I hope people haven't experienced being held hostage at gunpoint

@justicestanford5894

Жыл бұрын

I know right! The dude obviously dipped on her when he found out she was pregnant. He had 9 months to decide if he wanted the kid or not and he waits till the moment the kid is about to be handed over?

@CT_Taylor

Жыл бұрын

one can validate a persons feelings and understand how one could have such feelings without actually thinking they are good, or een bad. Its called looking at it from others perspectives doesnt mean you cant also see it from her perspective and ultimately think he was out of line. Like, according to him, he made calls and has been trying to contact her for some time now. I dont think that excuses running at first, but it does mean he was trying and she wouldnt even answer and say what she planned or even to say hey please stop or etc.. not that she truly should be expected (esp if he was toxic abusive when together!) But you can UNDERSTAND these things without agreeing. I think hes nuts but I think he probably wouldnt be "nuts" if there was a healthy communicated plan from , say, her parents or soemone else to avoid making it harder on her. Then that way he could properly deal with the feelings without it being condensed to a few short hours presumably before its too late. But, also, if he truly was stable and wanted to be dad to his son, that would be his opportunity to put money where mouth is on his job and place etc etc..

No right to the child. He got her pregnant, held no responsibility, left her and is now murdering her father. This person would make a horrible father and I feel bad for his child if he had a father like that.

@maahiahmed9903

10 ай бұрын

He has all the rights to his child

@silentgamer88

10 ай бұрын

@maahiahmed9903 He lost his rights the moment he ditched her. Even more so when he pulled the gun on his child’s grandfather. You don’t get to have the easy way out while your girlfriend puts up with whatever that you put in her.

@cindypicadomolina7814

7 ай бұрын

He left her for NINE months

@abuhurairah6268

Ай бұрын

To be fair, he was trying to take that responsibility. He ditched that the moment he pulled out that gun, though.

I love the way she protected her patient when he first came in with the gun

@laurenorourke2442

Жыл бұрын

Natalie gets a lot of hate but I do love how much she cares for a lot of her female patients especially those who are teenagers/young girls

@Emerald_Alice

Жыл бұрын

@@laurenorourke2442 me aswell

@monkeycat48

11 ай бұрын

Natalie is that character I don't understand. Her late husband was a US army ranger yet at the same time she's completely anti-gun. Even if he was still alive I guarantee you he would have said guns don't kill people people kill people. We live in a city with extreme liberal progressive anti-gun laws yet has the highest gun violence in America. I don't know her husband but then again that's exactly the way he would say it. I remember discovering how he just lost his life in Afghanistan never got to come home to his witness his son being born

@robertbreschard3493

10 ай бұрын

2:07 gun shot

@stephenking5852

6 ай бұрын

How come the girl had scratches on her face?

if he hadn’t come in with a gun, he could have gotten the kid, but now he’s ensured it will go up for adoption

@trinitylivingston1286

Жыл бұрын

Maybe but he left her during her pregnancy.

@slashymarauderness

Жыл бұрын

@@trinitylivingston1286 Legally speaking that wouldn't be taken into account

@icedboba1446

Жыл бұрын

He wouldn’t have gotten the kid even if he had contested the adoption. No judge in their right mind would grant full custody to a teenager with no job, no source of income, and no home stability. Also it wasn’t about getting the baby. He wanted his ex back and thought she’d take him back if he stepped up last minute, that’s why he brought the gun. He always planned on using force if she said no to being with him again

@crispri3919

8 ай бұрын

@@slashymarauderness Yes it absolutely would. If he was mia the whole pregnancy and she didn't put him on the birth certificate her has no legal rights to the baby. From that point on he can try to contest it but it is out of baby moms hands

@slashymarauderness

8 ай бұрын

@@trinitylivingston1286 No, it absolutely would not. We live in the days of DNA. If he contested the adoption, his relationship with the mother is absolutely irrelevant if he can prove he's the father.

People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby (Not to mention he’s not even legally the father). This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.

@philipcearley1992

Жыл бұрын

Because he's psychotic.

@Rachel-xg7hs

Жыл бұрын

Why is he not legally the father?

@icedboba1446

Жыл бұрын

@@Rachel-xg7hs if the baby’s adoptive parents and the birth mother already made legal agreements on the adoption then the adoptive father is the legal father

@Rachel-xg7hs

Жыл бұрын

@@icedboba1446 Without the biological father ever signing over his parental rights?

@cici_tlb4009

Жыл бұрын

@@Rachel-xg7hs he never had rights

While I do think that both biological parents should consent to the adoption under ideal circumstances, I think the baby daddy lost his right to that as soon as he started shooting people. He made himself look like an unfit father and didn't help his case at all. I get that he was frustrated with people not letting him talk about it, but he went about it in the wrong way.

@ayhamerraiyani1259

Жыл бұрын

you probaly gave up achild without consent from the dad

@christoperaaron8218

Жыл бұрын

@@ayhamerraiyani1259 try being unreasonable like the father in the video. You’ll see this situation will make you act insane

@cinnarenaroll1292

Жыл бұрын

@@ayhamerraiyani1259 the dad was.... threatening everyone with a gun and even shot the mom's father?? no way you and four others are actually offended by the comment LOL

@christoperaaron8218

Жыл бұрын

@@cinnarenaroll1292 I think you meant for that to be for the original comment, although Ayham’s comment may be uncalled for if it’s not true

@kellharris2491

Жыл бұрын

Well there was a reason he wasn't considered. Do you think if their relationship was good that they would have left him out?

Ya no you don't get to abandon the mother of your child for the whole pregnancy than call out parental rights at the last minute. Never had sympathy for him but then he decided to do all this and put both of them at risk with his stupid actions... absolutely no sympathy ever for people like him

@Lokian_Mermaid

Жыл бұрын

Yep and shooting ppl and thus putting the baby and his mother in MORE danger. If he cared at all rather than being self righteous within his own ego, he'd never have brought a gun around his baby like that but even then, once he knew the mother and baby were in real danger, he would have backed off and had the doctors do all they needed to do be sure that baby would be ok.

@mekareactsandreviews3026

Жыл бұрын

Well he actually does

@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216

Жыл бұрын

The grandfather used force first and also he still has legal rights to the baby and had a real case especially when being forcibly removed by someone without authorization though he lost all that after he pulled the gun but had he not then he would’ve been in the right here because he did try to contact her

@Lokian_Mermaid

Жыл бұрын

@@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216 It doesn't work that way and since you brought it up, the grandfather to be was protecting HIS child. No, after the way he acted before, he has no rights.... Those have to be EARNED also..... he wasn't "just protecting his baby" he's a freaking psychopath who has no business being around any child, including any he's related to. He's clearly mentally unstable, what part of that don't you understand? He was mentally ill and even taking that into consideration, it still doesn't make what he did ok. The CHILD'S rights come first and has the right to be PROTECTED from someone so severely mentally ill. Ppl like him end up abusing children, including their own. Ppl like him often end up killing their kids, then everyone would point out how everyone knew how mentally unstable he was and shouldn't have been allowed to be with the child. The child is a HUMAN LIFE not some possession. There is no "equality" in this and the "father" and the doesn't deserve it nor can he be trusted with it. Anyone that would try to make any of this ok is as deluded and mentally ill as the character.

@meredithcarroll6209

Жыл бұрын

He didn't. He said he'd been trying to contact her for months and she wouldn't return his calls. How do people keep missing that???

“I’m not leaving without my son!” If you want your son so badly, then why did you run away when Lily told you she was pregnant? Why are you just now desperate to have your baby and Lily? You’re the reason she wants to give the baby away. You broke all trust she had in you when you abandoned her. You’ve lost all right to this baby.

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue

22 күн бұрын

yeah and then come back with a lamo pathetic job that only pays a measly 12 dollars and hour🤣🤣🤣

@mask938

20 күн бұрын

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue And then he shoots her dad and threatens a whole hospital at gunpoint when he doesn't get his way. He would've been a terrible father.

High level of respect for the doctors who immediately went to David to try and keep him alive. Taking their job with respect.

@Americanpatriot-zo2tk

11 ай бұрын

Well, I’m a nurse I don’t think I would’ve helping you play. Stupid games win stupid prizes.

@India.H

11 ай бұрын

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk fair enough

@jillians.6930

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, considering everything he just put them through! Don’t know if I’d be so quick to help someone who just spent possibly hours threatening to kill me & my friends cuz things didn’t go their way due to them not taking responsibility for their choices! But, they still stepped up/did their jobs cuz it’s the right thing to do!

@samfire3067

9 ай бұрын

​@@jillians.6930me: " i bet 20 dollars he dies ".

@quantasium

9 ай бұрын

Well I mean, he was good as dead. That shot was incredibly precise and intended to end the target’s life. The best doctors in the world won’t be able to help him lol

I’m sorry he’s saying “it’s not my fault?” dude has a gun and shot the girl’s dad right in FRONT OF HER!!! When I first saw this scene it was intense and had so much anxiety 😢😢😢

@philipcearley1992

Жыл бұрын

He's just making an excuse for his actions, it's NOT!

@marcklemoff9382

Жыл бұрын

This is what happens when you're pushed to your limits. When you feel powerless and everything is being striped from you. The mother and her parents are on top of this untouchable pyramid and are stripping YOUR kid from you, then they assault YOU and have YOU escorted away by security.

@joyayobami8831

Жыл бұрын

He intially said he didn't want the baby for 9months the girl's family were the ones taking care of her and the baby.the day of the operation he surfaced what was the family to do

@trinitylivingston1286

Жыл бұрын

@@marcklemoff9382 maybe he shouldn't have left for almost an entire year of her pregnancy. 9 months is almost a year.

@marcklemoff9382

Жыл бұрын

@@trinitylivingston1286 About the kid not th emother, he owes the mother nothing.

Does he think this makes him a good father?

@yellowhearrts

Жыл бұрын

No

@lynnecrisp

Жыл бұрын

@@yellowhearrts Precisely

@brotherdaniel1524

Жыл бұрын

A (very bad) lawyer could use this as an (admittedly poor) defense that he'd be willing to do anything for his child.

@jocelynagarcia

Жыл бұрын

He's a Killer ! 😠

@jocelynagarcia

Жыл бұрын

@@brotherdaniel1524 Yeah he's a Monster !

“Listen I got a good job. They’re paying me $12 an hour.” Honey…that is definitely not enough to support a baby. 🤣

@benjie128

Жыл бұрын

But it's full time!

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

That's not enough to support yourself, let alone a spouse and child, and a sick mother to boot.

@loveriver29

Жыл бұрын

@@choryllis6646 100% agree

@marcklemoff9382

Жыл бұрын

Soooo? The baby should be striped away? Lol

@loveriver29

Жыл бұрын

@@marcklemoff9382 I’m not here to tell other people what to do. However that’s gonna impact your child in the long run. If it were me I wouldn’t have even kept it. I would’ve been at the clinic as soon as I found out.

Honestly if he was absent until now he really has no rights. His entire effort was only a few seconds of donation. On top of that he is endangering her life which shows what an awful father he is going to be.

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm thinking. If you're going to give up a project halfway through, you can't then be mad at your partner for finishing the project a different way than you wanted. You left them to do all the heavy lifting by themselves, so of course they're going to do things their way.

@IrishHeart

Жыл бұрын

thats actually not how it works. he has rights once that baby is born until the courts take them away. without them being married he would have to have a paternity test, and then file for custody/joint.

@savvysearch

Жыл бұрын

@@IrishHeart Exactly. Biological paternity, under the law, gives automatic legal rights to the child. The courts would need a reason to take that away such as him waving a gun around. But any other case, they would likely side with the biological father if it was an issue that the mother attempted to give a child up for adoption without a good faith effort to obtain his consent.

@peterkottke2570

Жыл бұрын

He has no rights to the child at that time as the mother did not list him as father of the child. He does have the right to legally contest for paternity and through that custody which he could do at any time before and after birth. But until he goes through the courts he doesn't have any rights to the child.

@trinitylivingston1286

Жыл бұрын

@@IrishHeart well not after holding everyone hostage in the er. He basically did almost killed and/or lead to Rhodes and Lilys dads deaths and held a bunch of other people hostage.

Honestly, with the amount of violations and crises that have gone on in this hospital, I’m surprised Med has done as well as it has.

@Rachel-xg7hs

Жыл бұрын

I know right?

@rixyz7013

Жыл бұрын

It’s just a show based off real situations

@lime.324

Жыл бұрын

@@rixyz7013 I know, im just making jokes

@jackkeilman3812

Жыл бұрын

You think that is bad? Wait till you hear about this hospital in Seattle called Grey Sloan!

@kyndrablankenship1758

Жыл бұрын

Personally, I think it's to be expected when you live in a place like Chicago.

The fact that he pulled this crap pretty much cements the fact that he is not fit to raise a kid.

I like how she drew him right out into the swat teams sights.👌👌

@philipcearley1992

10 ай бұрын

David deserved it

@kbarts316

10 ай бұрын

Ikr that was pretty badass

@trivonnereid769

8 ай бұрын

​@@philipcearley1992No he didn't.

@joxiejoxie6457

8 ай бұрын

@@trivonnereid769 Babe... how. & no, don't answer that, because he 100% did deserve it

@foolslayer9416

8 ай бұрын

@@philipcearley1992 His life was forfeit the moment he pointed his gun at innocent people.

Honestly, even though he had every right to change his mind, and contest the adoption.. he's the one who said he wasn't ready to be a dad. So his gf took that to mean he was giving up his parental rights, in my opinion.. so that probably why she felt she didn't need to tell him and didn't want to go begging him to stay.

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. He up and left her to deal with the pregnancy alone basically the moment she told him she was pregnant. And then he refused to contact her until the day she was giving birth. "You weren't answering my calls," my ass. Buddy, you had anywhere between 6 - 8 months to tell her you wanted to be a dad, and you didn't. You waited until the very last second to do it.

@olivia-yz1wi

11 ай бұрын

@@choryllis6646 and that has no bearing on his rights as a father as legally he does not have to support the mother durring pregnancy as you all say his rights do not start until after the baby is born so his responsibility also does not start until after the baby is born so no he does not have to stay and yes he can just turn up after the baby is born and demand his rights and he will get them you cannot have it both ways

@janeryan2709

11 ай бұрын

@@olivia-yz1wi He won't "get them"? He would have to go to court. And a judge would be unlikely to give a teenager making minimum wage sole custody of a child.

It is the father's legal right to contest the adoption but holding a gun isn't the way to do it. I've seen countless fathers get their kids after the bio moms have tried placing the baby up for adoption.

@christinebutler7630

Жыл бұрын

I have seen cases where the bio dad did not want custody of the kid, but did want visitation and parental rights, and was able to force the mom to keep and raise the kid and give him visitation.

@kellharris2491

Жыл бұрын

They probable didn't talk to him because he acts like this.

@SugarCubesMiki

Жыл бұрын

@@kellharris2491 thats not an excuse

@MacabreAfterparty

Жыл бұрын

@@SugarCubesMiki I mean, it kind of is. Lack of education can make people do crazy things because they don't realize there's a better way.

@kay19129

Жыл бұрын

​@@SugarCubesMiki he abandoned her for majority of the pregnancy and resorted to violence instead of taking legal action

Are we gonna ignore how smart that nurse was that led him into the swat's line of fire?

@spIasher

7 ай бұрын

Not a nurse she's the president of the hospital

@keenanimatics

7 ай бұрын

@@spIasher mb mb Im not a full show watcher, but holy craps its been 9 months my g

What an amazing brave woman to put the baby and everyone before her own life, saying “youll have to start with me” in such a calm voice in response to “I will kill everyone in this hospital”. What a woman

The father having legal rights or not, def. not stable for wanting to kiII all the hospital to run away with his boy. I don't feel sorry for him at all.

@bluesnake1713

Жыл бұрын

What makes him think he can take the baby after who knows how long? You run from it, there's no take backs. So really, there was no rights, and it cost him his life. If he doesn't make it that is.

Can we please just give props to Goodwin for being so calm in such a high stress situation?

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

Tell me about it! I definitely couldn’t have done that! She’s totally badass!!!

@rezaulkarim9198

11 ай бұрын

I know

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

@@rezaulkarim9198 Still feel bad for her cuz she clearly knew David wasn’t evil/had evil intentions, but he clearly was a threat to Lily/their child & her staff & she made the right choice to protect them all

@jillians.6930

11 ай бұрын

@@rezaulkarim9198 David should have just listened to her from the start & he might have had a chance to be a part of his son’s life. Now, like Goodwin said, he has NO CHOICE 😔

@rezaulkarim9198

11 ай бұрын

@@jillians.6930 I agree

I can't believe that man shot that girl's father all because she was going to put their baby up for adoption. I bet the only reason she wanted to put their baby up for adoption after it was born was because she wasn't ready to become a mother and she was scared of that man and feared that he would raise their son or daughter to become a monster like him.

@b2kzangelalwayz

Жыл бұрын

He shot the father for being rude.

@sarahjinnah9981

Жыл бұрын

@janedoexxhoe First of all that's not a valid reason to shoot anyone. Second of all the dad had every right to be rude cause this kid knocked up his daughter and dipped. And then had the audacity to try and weasel his way back into her life and try to make decisions for her after causing her emotional trauma

@sarahjinnah9981

Жыл бұрын

@@LadydogC I understand the job and family issues. That doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't even try to contact her until her last month of pregnancy. That's too late. Too late to have a say in the decision. So no, it's up the mother, and in this case since it seems like she's a minor (or at least very young), the parents of the mother get input. Period. You don't just walk out your baby mama's life and expect to be welcomed back with open arms and have a say in what happens to the baby as she's in labor. I'm sure he knew where she lived and could've gone to see her, which means he probably didn't even try to contact her until she started going into labor. He doesn't get to have a say when she went through the entire pregnancy ALONE. He has no right to get mad about a decision they made during the 9-month pregnancy when he was willingly uninvolved.

@michaelleone6711

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahjinnah9981 they literally say that she wasn't answering his calls, and do you really think her father would have let him talk to her if he had shown up on their door? No, he had no right to shoot people, but the one thing he is absolutely correct about is that they legally could not give up the child for adoption without his consent, he did in fact have a right to his child, at least up until he pulled a gun, don't discount the fact that he did in fact try to man up and take responsibility, even if it was too little too late, because it actually was just in time if he had gone the legal route

@leocervidae

Жыл бұрын

@@LadydogC he could have still talked to her… told her he didn’t have a job but was looking for one and wants to support them however he can. Even just emotionally supporting her could have changed a lot. Worst case is they choose to give up the child but keep visitation rights and the kid is fostered until either one or both of them are ready to be parents.

"Okay, Lily, we gotta go right now!" *like mans you just abandoned her! what do you mean?! And your deciding to SHOOT UP THE HOSPITAL?! PUTTING MORE LIVES IN DANGER, EVEN PEOPLE WHO IS SICK, WAITING FOR HELP?!* that amount of disrespect is on TOP level.

@speedude0164

2 күн бұрын

He seemed to view the mother and child as belonging to him and anyone or anything that comes in between them as enemies, and it completely blinded his judgement. Why would she ever leave the life she has now behind for this clearly unstable guy that just shot her father and nearly got her and her baby killed?

My sympathy for this guy is nonexistent.

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue

26 күн бұрын

hes dead jim

I remember watching this episode and my god this terrified me. If I was ever in that situation where there was someone being crazy with a gun, I probably would have passed out. I get he wants his son but this was not the way at all.

@dietotaku

Жыл бұрын

he didn't even want his son, he just wanted her and to be in control of their lives. we see it all the time, dude says he wants kids, talks the good dad talk, but when the kid actually shows up and mom needs help, he's too busy playing xbox and getting drunk after work. but god help her if she tries to leave, he didn't authorize that...

@Narra0002

Жыл бұрын

@@dietotaku yep

@Narra0002

Жыл бұрын

It was insane

@captainwatercress

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you’ve seen the episode! Can you tell me if the dad of the girl who gave birth survived?

@slutlmao9254

Жыл бұрын

@@captainwatercress yes! the father survives, and lily keeps the baby after the adoptive mother runs away

I know it's safe to say he wasn't exactly thinking straight, but I always wonder what people think will be outcome of taking an action like this.

@shirabe64

Жыл бұрын

It’s like he thought if he had custody of the baby, he’d still have a relationship with her. But if he wasn’t there for her at the scariest moments, that ship sailed long ago. He could’ve had the baby, possibly pretty easily as she was waiving parental rights, but he wasn’t gonna get what he thought he could.

@EMkilroy100

Жыл бұрын

What that means is: even normal men can be driven to commit extreme violence when they feel that their family and way of life is being threatened.

@cynthreykhynnahluna

Жыл бұрын

@@EMkilroy100 is it really his family if he left for most of the pregnancy cuz he didn't want the kid and only changed his mind when the kid was about to come? and honestly the only threat was him

@janeryan2709

11 ай бұрын

@@EMkilroy100 His way of life would have been exactly the same since he was not involved for the entire pregnancy. Nothing would have changed for him - it would have been as if the pregnancy never happened. And they never were a family. They were in a relationship that ended.

@hlog3902

9 ай бұрын

Outcome is life in American jail

My last words to him would have been "That's what you get."

@marcklemoff9382

Жыл бұрын

Push a man to his limit then taunt him. Goodjob.

@scottmatheson3346

Жыл бұрын

@@marcklemoff9382 if you think that's pushing a man to his limit you've lived such a sheltered life you have no idea what the real world is likem imagine believing that losing custody of one child, not even that child dying, is anywhere near the worst that can happen to you! You need to grow up, kiddo.

@donttellthefbiimhere9426

Жыл бұрын

@@scottmatheson3346 I love you so much.

Dude lost any chance of legally contesting the adoption when he BROUGHT GUNS INTO A _HOSPITAL!!!_

The dude left the baby and her until the last second ... Its been MONTHS of stress for her body , for her mind , for her parents, he was jobless , with a sick mom , he is obviously violent , rather come back with a gun than investigate his parental legal rights , and people in the comments are defending that she shouldnt had decide on adoption withouth telling him ?!

Dude was just unstable, he could’ve just went the most logical legal route, but instead he threw his chances out the window

@robertbreschard3493

Жыл бұрын

1:55 where did he get that gun

@philipcearley1992

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbreschard3493 He probably stole it from his mother or someone else.

I'm shocked by these comments that are trying to justify his anger. He didnt want anything to do with her and becomes upset when he comes in wanting rights. It would be a different story if he asked her what she wanted and then stepped up when she said no saying it's okay ill raise him but that's not what he had in mind. His plan was that they both raise the child together. He goes to work while she be the mom and he never asked her what she wanted. This is why usually the mother has legal rights to decide between adoption or keeping the baby. At this rate though and society messed up point of view its going to be bullies like him who force women to be mothers when they dont want to be.

@olivia-yz1wi

11 ай бұрын

legally not true as legally he has no rights nor responsibility until the baby is born so legally he could just turn up after the baby has just been born and demand his rights and get them as everyone says a father has no rights until the baby is born so logiclly they also have no responsibility until the baby has been born so no he has not lost his rights as the mother is not entiled to any support from him durring the pregnancy unless you want to give him a legal say in the pregnancy and legal rights to attend any and all appointments to do with the unborn child plus have a legal right to be at the birth as responsibility comes with rights you cannot have it both ways

@anniewallace3601

11 ай бұрын

@@olivia-yz1wi yes but as I stated he didn't say I will raise him putting the adoption on hault, and just take her to court for child support. His idea was they will raise the baby together and I'll do it by gun point to get what I want. That's not acting on his rights that's abuse and domestic violence. That is not okay under any circumstances. If he decided to exercise his rights that would be fine especially if he respected her wishes taking full custody, but he decides that he will get what he wants in a illegal immature fashion. That's the difference between a father demanding his rights and getting a lawyer if the hospital and involved parties aren't respecting his right as a father, and what he did.

@olivia-yz1wi

11 ай бұрын

@@anniewallace3601 i have no issues with your stance on the whole gun thing as i was just pointing out how legally a father does not have to do anything for the mother durring the pregnancy and it cannot be held against him legally as most people in this comment section think a fathers rights depend on if he is there durring the pregnancy when legally that is not the cast at all like i said plus how could he exercise his rights when the mother refused to reply to his calls plus not tell him about the adoption in the first place as he is stated he tried to contact her many times about the baby but she just refused to talk to him or tell him anything making it harder for him to get his child legally now with the whole gun thing then yeah he proves unfit to parent that we agree on but on the other hand he was just a kid so there may be some leeway somewhat as it can be argued that he was not in the right frame of mind at the time due to his mental condition so supervised contact could be given if you know he did not die

Legally all he had to do was do nothing. get a lawyer and he could have contested the adoption. getting the gun was stupid...

@FishAnvil

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this episode sucked

@sw8330GKEEPER

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but this just shows how emotionally unstable he really was and if he really wanted the baby he should’ve hired a lawyer.

@philipcearley1992

8 ай бұрын

​@@sw8330GKEEPERHe thought this was the best way to get the baby by using violence and force, even putting patients and the mother's life in danger for it.

@KossolaxtheForesworn

3 ай бұрын

the court in US rather would put the kid down a meatgrinder than acknowledge fasthers rights.

@inwit594

Ай бұрын

@@KossolaxtheForesworn Ah, so his decision to infringe on the rights of multiple other people (including putting his own child at risk which he 'cared' so much about by proxy) makes that okay, huh.

This is why young pregnancy is so dangerous personally speaking the immense amount of teenage anxiety and many facing mental health... coupled with a baby is a recipe for trouble.. I would know.. I pray for young moms to have courage and protection.

@KateLate____

Жыл бұрын

American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous. If you're so religious that you don't believe in contraception then you shouldn't believe in premarital sex either. You can't have it both ways. Obviously people coerced into sex can't help this.

@Ferenwillow

Жыл бұрын

@@KateLate____ ????? okay thanks.

@SparDanger

Жыл бұрын

@@KateLate____ "American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous" 100% agreed! Which is why I will be talking to my son about this MYSELF when he's old enough.

@informationyes

Жыл бұрын

@@KateLate____ They think teaching about protection endorces sex when its absurd its meatly prepares them if they choose to do it

@KateLate____

Жыл бұрын

@@informationyes exactly! I listened to lessons about contraception and then waited till I finished school to have sex. Even if you wait till marriage, which has its benefits, you still need to prevent pregnancy if you're getting married during college and don't want a child immediately. Unless you're anti contraception entirely.

As an adopted child, this is disgusting. He has no legal right to see, hold, or parent his son. Lily made the correct decision to put that baby up for adoption and not keep him herself.

The truly sad fact about this situation is that our society has raised an entire generation to believe that violence is the only solution to our problems.

@helRAEzzzer

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is literally NO ONE told him he has the legal right to keep his kid regardless of the mother's decision to relinquish her parental rights.

@SugarCubesMiki

Жыл бұрын

@@helRAEzzzer he could investigated instead of coming back to shot people ...

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

@@helRAEzzzer I doubt he even asked the question. He was very emotionally unstable, despite saying he was in a better place to take care of the baby and the mother, and I don't think he thought there was any other way around it. He didn't even go to Google and say, "mother giving up baby without father's consent". The staff didn't reach out to him and say, "You can take this option if you still want the baby," but that's also not really their job nor is it generally safe to approach a kid who just got escorted out by security. His immediate reaction was to go home, grab a gun, hold a man at gunpoint, and tell a mother in labor that they're leaving the hospital.

@EMkilroy100

Жыл бұрын

Reasonable men are sometimes forced by society to do unreasonable things. Look at the killdozer guy. Look at every man who has had the woman he loves, his children, his job, his home, his entire life ripped from him. And then the people who did it to him act as if they have the moral high ground, because they forced a man into violence.

@MacabreAfterparty

Жыл бұрын

...thats the only thing you got outta this?

Maaaaybe if you’re trying to convince your ex that you’re stable enough to take care of you’re own child ALONG with trying to get back with her, maaaaaybe you shouldn’t come in with a gUN

They didnt need security.. THEY NEEDED THE ENTIRE S.W.A.T-

This man is absolutley insane. he LEFT his girlfriend,then choses to shoot the dad when he hears that the baby is going to be given up.

@CBerries

7 ай бұрын

That's not exactly how that went

It’s stuff like this that kind of make it clear to me that if a woman feels that she cant take care of a child for whatever reason and decides to abort or adopt, there’s usually a good reason. Sometimes it’s a life or death thing. Whether she/her partner is not ready or if her partner is dangerous to the child or the woman, it’s ultimately her choice to make since she’s the one who will have the most responsibility taking care of it and will be taking the most risk. Pregnancy is one the most dangerous time for a woman because a guy can act like the perfect partner but do a 180 once he feels she’s locked down or he can seriously resent a woman for “daring to get knocked up” and “ruining his future” and take his anger out on her, etc.

@FishAnvil

Жыл бұрын

And inversely, the mother can 180 on the day of the birth and simply decide that since she isn't ready to be a mother then the baby daddy doesn't deserve to be a father. Or she can find out she's pregnant and immediately ghost the father, get a restraining order and never let him see his child. Or even worse make the wrong man raise a kid he thinks is his. It happens both ways.

@cheetavontiebolt9971

Жыл бұрын

That is why my policy is no glove no love

@braziliankaiser8304

Жыл бұрын

Adoption, yes although if the father is present he can reject it and take care of the kid himself if he wants. Abortion, however, now a whole other deal.

@redacted8005

Жыл бұрын

@@braziliankaiser8304 But he wasn't present, he admitted that he wasn't involved during the pregnancy & only reached out in the later stages of the pregnancy (but she had already made the decision of adoption & didn't want to take him back so she ignored his calls). Also, correct me if I'm wrong but 12$/h in Chicago isn't enough to raise a child & pay rent in today's economy!

@braziliankaiser8304

Жыл бұрын

@@redacted8005 Perhaps put that up to the Judge but I still believe that a biological father should be able to keep his child if he doesn't want to set it to adoption. I am not sure how the living standards are in Chicago, from where I am from 12 dollars even per day would be massive. It's more of a matter of principles that unless the father was completely incapable then he should be able to keep his own kid, remember that the baby wouldn't even exist without him.

Every body here is like "he has a right to his baby, but this isn't the way. Poor dude :( " Would you like to have a dad who waves a gun at everyone who tries to keep you and your mom safe when he has murdering intensions?? Or he "just wants to love you and your mom" when you can hear her crying after he beat or assulted her?? See how much sorry you feel for a man when he tries to kill someone you love for "his rights"

@critikillshot6851

Жыл бұрын

THIS

@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq

Жыл бұрын

Well the mother never mentioned that she was assaulted or beaten up by him. She was abandoned by him when he finds out she was pregnant with his child. Don't try to add words into other mouths or change the story line without knowing the full knowledge of the situation.

@tonepettersen7865

Жыл бұрын

@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Im baffled by your blissful ignorance... So because he dumped a woman before knowing he impregnanted her, he is allowed to brake into a hospital and kill innocent people because he's sad she doesnt want him near the kid? Branches of the same tree spread the same leaves, I guess

@donttellthefbiimhere9426

Жыл бұрын

@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Like that’s any better.

@CBerries

7 ай бұрын

​@@donttellthefbiimhere9426It absolutely is

Failure of a person; failure of a boyfriend; would’ve been a failure of a father too. Good riddance. Nice shot by the SWAT officer.

You shoot multiple people, attempt to kidnap a baby, and walk in with a gun?? Yeah, he was either getting killed or Life in prison.

12$ an hour isn’t much for a father. 12$ x 60 hours is 720$ a week which is good for a childfree person that doesn’t have to pay bills and is getting their life together so they can get a better career. But a guy with a child and probably bills now it isn’t good at all. My grandma makes more on her pension than that.

The reason he’s doing this is because he knows full well that no court would listen to him, even if he didn’t resort to violence.

It's nice to also see the parents in these shows be supportive of their kid and their kids decision for ONCE!

@robertbreschard3493

10 ай бұрын

9:25 death of david

@brmbkl

8 ай бұрын

did we see the same clip. the father wanted the adoption even more, because $

@eveelee4152

4 ай бұрын

@@brmbklno what I saw Is a dad standing with his child who made the biggest decision ever so all this $ talk is bs

Well the baby arrival didn’t go so great his father shot his grandfather, shot a security guard, had his grandmother at gunpoint and his mother and nurses as hostages and his father gets shot by the swat team

@CM-wv8ns

Жыл бұрын

Damn...i read the spoiler

@b2kzangelalwayz

Жыл бұрын

@@CM-wv8ns LMFAOOOO

@trivonnereid769

Жыл бұрын

Not his grandmother the woman who was supposed to adopt the baby

You can’t just change your mind after leaving her and muscle yourself through and still expect to be catered to as the parent.

@philipcearley1992

10 ай бұрын

The baby is better off without him.

@CBerries

7 ай бұрын

At no point was he expecting to be "catered to" but he does have every right to be part of his son's life.

choi has done so many risky things to do medical procedures to save somebody’s life in combat zones, he would definitely make a great combat medic

The SWAT team did that mother and child a favour. He abandoned them THEN shot up a hospital when he wanted the child. He definitely would've been an abusive father if the doctors let him have his way.

@Lokian_Mermaid

Жыл бұрын

Plus, HE put the baby in danger in more ways than one. Then he thought he could be on the run with a girl that could barely move and a newborn..... Even if he got his way, that's not a good or healthy life for a baby to constantly have to be on the run. A parent that actually cares does not do all of that.

While a father has a right to his child, a man like this has no right to anyone.

@RedNymph234

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. What's best for the child is not always what's best for the father. If the father chose to abandon the baby and the mother, the court would see he is not the right person for the child. Children are not property

He's completely unstable. He would not be a good parent at all. If this is how he thinks to handle this type of situation, he needsa a lot of help

Where was Dr. Charles in all this? He is good talking emotionally unstable people down

Good on the swat guy, doing his job nicely

@robertbreschard3493

Жыл бұрын

By killing an obsessive man

@snek616

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbreschard3493 your point? Dude was just doing his job, probably would have been demoted or fired if he didn't. I have no sympathy for a stupid man.

@philipcearley1992

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbreschard3493 Yeah. 👍

@PoseidoncapsizesHi

Жыл бұрын

No not good they should negotiate and arrest him and not involve swat at all they should negotiate and then arrest him and one of the doctors could have taken him down or taken the gun while he was distracted rather then have swat kill the man

Ok everyone in the comments is talking about whether the father has the right to stop the adoption, yet no-one has asked "how, after security escorted him out the first time, did he manage to get back into hospital, WITH a gun?" Even if he wasn't escorted out before, isn't there security to check to prevent weapons from being brought into a hospital? Took me out of the situation honestly

@pettypatch

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know at my nearest hospital they don’t check for weapons you can walk in and just check in for ER and or go through the front and ask or tell the front desk who or what floor you’re looking for.

@thedorkone1516

Жыл бұрын

Bad writing.

@philipcearley1992

8 ай бұрын

He probably stole the gun

6:25 ....but if he dies then the best option to get your baby is gone meaning you killed 3 people for no reason at all??????

@ZoeIsntHere

Жыл бұрын

the three people didn’t die. in the full episode they survive.

I knew by the way she was backing away that she was trying to lead him out into the open so swat could get him. If he had just been rational he could have contacted a lawyer and sued for custody of the baby. He just had to go the gun rout

After what that criminal of a biofather did,the only thing he deserves is a prison cell for what he did.he was an evil creep.

The point that no one seems to be thinking of is that maybe she doesn't want to be a mum yet whether her ex boyfriend is around or not? He's not only demanding custody of the child he's already flaked on at gunpoint but he's demanding that she get back with him and raise a family with him. He's unstable and entitled and shouldn't be allowed custody of a kid until he's been through some years of therapy. If she agreed to get back with him now I could see a lot of potential for DV in their future.

@CBerries

7 ай бұрын

Did you miss the part where he said he would leave with the baby and she didn't have to come with him?

This was extremely well done. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

“Stay with me David” while he’s literally bleeding out of every hole in his face imaginable

"Then you're gonna have to start with me." Oh my God Goodwin, you QUEEN

I cringed everytime he acts like he’s helping the doctor’s and Lily & then gets angry when telling them where to go, while aiming the gun 🤦🏻‍♂️ I swear he has an undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Why didn’t they shoot David one more time when he was on the ground?

Damn. To think that kid could have been patient and waited a few weeks to a couple of months and gotten his son without going and doing that crap. He was his father and he could have gotten custody of him. Instead...

@kattrielladoesstuff

Жыл бұрын

I mean, to fair, anyone who decides bring a gun to a hospital, shoot someone, and then take a hostage in an attempt to force their ex to get back together with them probably shouldn't be raising a child.

@beastly.warner

Жыл бұрын

@@kattrielladoesstuff true lol

@KossolaxtheForesworn

3 ай бұрын

in US? under what rock have you been living. fathers dont have rights US. mothers will deliberately quit jobs to get paid child support and courts allow it.

the biological dad lost his chances as a parent. and honestly he shouldnt be in the first place because its people like him usually would do something horrible to the child cause god forbid they were told no and denied. wtf is his problem

I must say that the dude playing David or (the dad) is honestly a rlly good actor

David (the father of the soon to be baby) cant just assume he can walk back into their lives and shoot people and have a right over the child since hes the one who left at the start of the pregnancy

Thank God for SWAT. What a brave woman. This is a great series

“All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve a child.”

loved how manning protected and shielded athe girl, took care of the dad and comforted her. slay queen. u go girl nat!

He was going to jail the moment he took the gun; he was going to get shot as soon as he shot the first person and took hostages.

I've been through this. We adopted my nephew without the biological father's consent. Went to court, we won. Stable home, good job, already had one child at home. His family looked at the baby as a possession, legal property. They are not legal property, they are living breathing human beings who need stability. A safe space to explore the world from and return to if things get dangerous.

@Glaswalker1001

11 ай бұрын

Not to diminish your situation, but the way I read your post gave me chills. You can read this as "We are richer and therefor better suited to raise a child, so it's ok to take it away from the parents and give it to us."

@bobastu

11 ай бұрын

@Glaswalker1001 that's not what happened. My wife's sister was living with us. She had one child, just turned 12 months and had just given birth to another child. The same biological father. His family kicked her out to the streets. We arranged for her, at her request, to come live with us three states away while she was still pregnant with the second child. Before she gave birth, she decided to give the second child up for adoption. We were helping with school, to graduate high school. She was an abusive mother, hateful almost and she and my wife would get into fights about it. One day, she broke down, and admitted it's too hard and she just can't do it anymore. She wants a better life for her child. She asked us if we would adopt her son, as we had been trying to have a baby. We discussed it and sat down with her. We agreed. We secured an attorney and started the process. The biological father had not reached out once in two years to see if she was OK. But it got back to him that she was putting the child up for adoption and he turned up on our doorstep. We had already been to court once and we were the temporary legal guardians of the child. He, and his family, expected to come in and take the child like a piece of property. They called our local police and they showed them a birth certificate and we showed him a court order. The court order trumps the birth certificate because the birth mother was in agreement. Now the legal battle began. The courts find him unfit due to an admitted drug abuse issue, no stable job, and no stable residence. It took us a year in court to get to that point. We were also held responsible for their legal fees, by the court, and all court costs. In the end, it cost us over $15,000 to adopt our nephew. But you can't put a price on a child's safety and well-being!! The child was also diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, and ADHD, as well as a sensory disorder. The mother was doing drugs while he was in utero and the father was doing drugs during conception. Our son is now 13. He is doing well and has a handle on his disabilities. Don't hate us because the courts decided we were a better option than a child placed into an unstable, and potentially dangerous environment.

@Saki_No__Megami

6 ай бұрын

@@bobastuso does he see his child then or not

@bobastu

6 ай бұрын

@MekiahClark no. He has zero rights. The judge stripped them after he had no contact for greater than 24 months. Biology does not dictate family or love. The bio father's grandmother believed that children. Are the property of their family, not living breathing individuals who need a safe environment from which to successfully explore their world. My son was with them for the first 12 months, and due to that time with them, he came to us with Reactive Attachment Disorder.

@Illier1

5 ай бұрын

@@Glaswalker1001 Welcome to reality. A teen dad isn't prepared, especially one who is quick to violence.

That monster had no claim on that child, anyone who's willing to point a gun at the people trying to save the child's mother and at the woman holding the actual child is in no way fit to be around any child.

@CBerries

7 ай бұрын

You've clearly never been in such a desperate state that you don't think clearly. Imagine being told your mom is dying, you lost your job, and your girlfriend is pregnant all in a short amount of time. Then, after having a mental break from all the stress, you work to get another job that pays better and get in contact with your son's mother, only to be frozen out completely. Then you finally get to see her to tell her you made a mistake but are stepping up to be a father and potential partner, and you get assaulted, told you don't get to have a say in what happens to your son, and forcibly removed from your son's birth. And all that without any person showing you even the tiniest bit of empathy or compassion. You go through that and then tell me you would be thinking clearly.

@stay_my

27 күн бұрын

@@CBerries if you think david's response is a sensible one in reaction to his situation, then i don't think you should be allowed to have custody over a child either

He should never be able to be a father

As someone who is adopted, I can reliably that this wouldn't happen. I know the adoption agency had to go find my biological father to sign off on the adoption. Of course, that version of the story wouldn’t be very dramatic on TV.

@ayajade6683

Жыл бұрын

Actually if he walks out as he did and isn't out on the birth certificate even with a DNA test proving it's his kid he has no legal right to child which means no parental rights. Women aren't incubators for men especially ones like this guy

men in the comments proving themselves to be completely unsympathetic for women despite glaring red flags. very sad world

@noahsawyer7155

Жыл бұрын

And where are they Einstein

@pettypatch

Жыл бұрын

@@noahsawyer7155all in the comments Stevie wonder 🧐 look a little harder.

@Americanpatriot-zo2tk

7 күн бұрын

Give me a break children belong to their fathers just as much as their mothers. Credibly, in this nation it’s all tilted towards the women.

He had his chance and he blew it, he abandoned the mother after she told him that she's pregnant, and came back for the last minute and ready to be a father and making $12 an hour? That's not even enough to provide. What a selfish sorry excuse piece of crap.

@rezaulkarim9198

8 ай бұрын

I know right

@KossolaxtheForesworn

3 ай бұрын

yeah clearly he should be making 300K a year to support her tiktok vacations.

While I agree that a father should have more of a say in the matters of custody and such, this is the sort of thing that proves you are so not what's best for your child.

@allisondempsey982

Жыл бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly.

What’s crazy is that if he had kept his cool, he could have fought this in court. He may not have won, but he would have had a case.

@rolandmine6693

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

this episode always makes me so angry did he seriously think shooting people would help his case in looking like a good father i’d almost say it’s likely he’d kill his own son sooner or later if he was so willing to do this

Poor Lilly! She just had emergency surgery, watched her dad and her baby daddy get shot, her baby was taken by someone, and she probably thought that her mom was going to get shot. This poor girl will need so much therapy! Edit: I didn’t mean to start an argument in the replies…

@peterfraney7931b

11 ай бұрын

Well if she had not been so stubborn and allowed the father to witness the birth, this would not have happened. I hope her father does not make it. Would serve her right for what she did to her boyfriend.

@jillians.6930

10 ай бұрын

@@peterfraney7931b SERIOUSLY 😐!!! You’re blaming HER for HIS ACTIONS!!! That is a load of bull! If someone contributed to me getting pregnant/bailed in me for the majority of it & then just waltz back in at the last sec & suddenly decide he wanted a family, I’d have his butt thrown out too!!!

@jillians.6930

10 ай бұрын

@@peterfraney7931b ​In my opinion, family is a privilege, not a right & he threw that away when he bailed! Don’t get me wrong, you can get those rights back, but YOU HAVE TO EARN IT… with action, not words!!! That would be how’d I’d handle it. He could have man up/taken responsibility for not pulling his weight & done the right things to remain a part of his child’s life. Instead, he played the victim/blamed everyone else for his mess & then proceeded to do nothing, but endanger both her & their child’s lives, but nearly take a bunch of others w/ them! Sorry, but I can’t have a ton of sympathy for that 😖

@jillians.6930

10 ай бұрын

@@peterfraney7931b Also, sorry to disappoint you: her dad lives & she ends up keeping the baby. So everything ended great for them ☺

@peterfraney7931b

10 ай бұрын

@@jillians.6930 That is sad, that she is the one that caused the problems but he dies.

How would someone, doing what he did, think this would end?

@robertbreschard3493

Жыл бұрын

The surrogate mother is the daughter of the parents who are adopting her baby

@joewhitehead3

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbreschard3493 Um, that’s not what I was asking

@bluesnake1713

Жыл бұрын

Who knows. People with a hold of a gun seem to take on another thoughtless view. Desperation sure don't cover as a right answer. Guy shot like two people, held some people hostage, and sure enough, not every exit goes as wanted. Not like in the movies it won't for them.

@Glaswalker1001

11 ай бұрын

Like any parent you try to take a child from: there isn't much rational behind their decisions. Many mothers would do a similar thing.

@mellocheers9062

8 ай бұрын

right? assuming Lily and the baby were fine and they went with him, she could take the baby and run as soon as she had the chance.

the dad of the pregnant girl thought it was a good idea to grab a hostile man with a gun by his shirt?!?!

As soon as he pulled a gun in a hospital and shot Lilly's dad, he sealed his own fate. It was a matter of time even with locked doors before SWAT got a clean shot....

This is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. I wonder if she still gives her kid to adoption

@Lynthari

Жыл бұрын

The original intended mother for the child backs out of the adoption obviously because the father of said child held a gun to her head. So well yes the pregnant child gives birth and puts the baby up for adoption it's going into the foster care system not just being adopted to somebody, and the foster care system in the US is full of predators and people who literally have zero interest in the job. But being someone who was shuffled around that system for neuron 15 years I probably have a poor opinion of it, the same as 90% of the other kids who are treated as so much garbage by the government if you're over the age of 10 no one wants you you're just a burden so hopefully that baby gets adopted hopefully they don't go through the same s*** most do in the foster care system. But being that this is TV it doesn't really matter cuz there was no baby there was no pregnancy it's fake.

@choryllis6646

Жыл бұрын

The show leaves it open ended, I think. Lily asks to hold her baby, calling it "mine". She could still give it up, but with how hormones work and her calling the baby, "mine", means there's a good chance she might decide to keep it.

This is one of the few things you can do that makes whatever another person did to you first justifiable. Imagine if she gave the baby to someone with this bad of an impulse control problem.

She cried more for david than for her dad qhen he was shot

I don’t blame David for being upset that Lily decided to give the baby away without telling him, but Jesus, stopping it from happening at gunpoint is not the answer, and for crying out loud it’s probably the reason why she didn’t tell him! And for crying out loud he and Lily are only 16 and 17 years old.

@sarahjinnah9981

Жыл бұрын

Sounded like he knocked her up and then dipped. I don't think he gets the right to try and weasel his way back into her life and make decisions about the baby the day of the birth. Even if he tried calling a few days or weeks before, he was still absent the entire pregnancy. He undoubtedly caused her emotional and mental trauma, and he had left the picture anyways so he has no right or say in whether the baby is put up for adoption or not.

@justicestanford5894

Жыл бұрын

She probably did tell him and he came to the realization of what was happening too late.

@MarcusTheJR

Жыл бұрын

@Sarah Jinnah you don't know what your talking about. That girls father clearly was trying to control everything. When people have their rights taken away, they take heavy measures.

@sarahjinnah9981

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcusTheJR And he even admitted to dipping. Just cause he had a change of heart during the final stretch doesn't mean he deserves a say in anything or even to be forgiven for abandoning his baby mama and child. Only involved fathers get a say period

@MarcusTheJR

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahjinnah9981 WOW. I've worked in a hospital. And seen mothers leave children there, only to hear later they want them back. So miss me with that

While it's understandable that the boy would be upset that his child is being put up for adoption and he doesn't get a say in it, his actions are beyond deplorable! First off, pulling a gun on anyone anywhere, let alone hospital personnel and your own girlfriend's parents is NEVER okay! Second of all, you're both like sixteen! Even if you found a good paying job, you are yet old enough to handle the enormous responsibility of raising a child when you're barely out of highschool! It's actually for the best that the girl gives up her baby because they'll go to people who are responsible and will actually be capable of taking care of them. Also, you could've been given the chance to visit your child since that's actually a thing in the US: in some cases, biological parents have been allowed to visit their children in their new adopted homes to see how they're doing and let the children get to know them. It doesn't always happen but sometimes the adopted parents allow it... however, by pulling out a gun and threatening everyone in this hospital, you just guaranteed that you will NEVER see your kid...EVER! Edit: But then again, he's probably gonna die since SWAT shot him, so I'd say it's a moot point

@ceciliavasey9732

Жыл бұрын

Also man though 12$/hr was enough to support them- Not to mention-he didn’t just want the baby, he wanted to force both baby and mom to come with him-that’s plus of course waving a gun around, is a sign of entitlement and severe issues with impulse control

@philipcearley1992

10 ай бұрын

​@@ceciliavasey9732He's more obsessed.

When David showed the gun dr manny put her arm across the patient showing she cares about her patients and that was her first act❤