The only way to know if it was Billy is by DNA, and I don't think that will happen. Thank you Ron

My husband’s grandfather briefly rode trail drive with Billy the Kid.. when he was just a young teenager..he asked to ride with them through Indian territory for safety.. he rode with them for about a week before he left them and rode on.. a few days later Pat Garrett came through asking about anyone coming through..it was about a month or so later they heard he’d been killed.. my husband found a record of this in the town he was born in .. as a kid he ( my husband)used to think his grandfather was making it up .. his grandfather was nearly 90 when he passed away in 1950.. he would have been 15-16 years old at the time..

@GinaAnderson9842

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Interesting.

@theclown2393

Жыл бұрын

Ok given the age of his grandfather and when he passed away in 1950's that would definitely put him around Billy the kid time period. Very interesting, sounds like a guy I would love to sit and listen to.

@jerriewyatt905

Жыл бұрын

@@theclown2393 My husband’s grandfather told him that Billy kept to himself, didn’t mingle with the rest of them and rode back .. he just up and left when they got out of the area where they were apt to have Indian troubles.. this was Texas and I believe they were driving them to New Mexico.. I’m in my 80’s now and my husband has passed away.. I might be wrong on that part, but, the rest is documented..My husband was born in Memphis,Texas.. he was 11- 12 when his grandfather died.. His grandparents weren’t able to have children but, when a doorstep baby was made available, they adopted him.. that was my husband’s father..they were in in their late 40’s when they adopted him..

@theclown2393

Жыл бұрын

@@jerriewyatt905Wow!!!! Thanks for sharing your guys family history mam and you have my condolences of your husband's passing.

@jerriewyatt905

Жыл бұрын

@@theclown2393 Thank you

I just came across your video on Eva Kor. I met her in Terre Haute a few years ago. She waited until every single person who wanted to talk with her got to do so. I got my picture taken with her. I had read book after book on the Holocaust in my teens, this was an honor for me to meet her. Eva was a great lady!

History is slowly being desecrated ,schools no longer have History books, thankfully we have you and Michael to help preserve history!

@dianeb7420

Жыл бұрын

So sad that people want to erase history too!

@monsterglo

Жыл бұрын

@@dianeb7420 it is very sad 😔

@MTknitter22

Жыл бұрын

Yes even in my rural Texas, the children do not learn half the American or Texas history that we did.

@monsterglo

Жыл бұрын

@@MTknitter22 same here in rural Tennessee, very sad because history does repeat itself

@Nancy-lt5xr

Жыл бұрын

Now that your leaving Chicago will you be doing only western cemeterys?? I wonder if their are alot of pictures on headstones?? I guess we'll find out. Lol

My great great grandfather was friends with Billy the kid. Thank you for sharing this story with us.

@Here_This

Жыл бұрын

Oh that is interesting ! You might have heared lots of stories about all that happened that time . Were they friends before that all happened or was he member of the Regulators ?

@ladyjane9980

Жыл бұрын

Would have to be a great great great grandfather.

@marjorierodgers4011

Жыл бұрын

My grandfather was born before the Civil War, father was born in 1903 - both had children after age 40. So could indeed have been a great, great grandfather of this commenter.

@John3li

Жыл бұрын

Lol i say that yeah

@frankgilb9756

Жыл бұрын

Ron I always learn something from you great work man o man I could listen to you all day please stay safe your friend. Frank

Young Guns is one of my favorite westerns. That movie taught me most of what I know about Billy the Kid, even though I'm sure they took some liberties with it. Fantastic cast, too

@shwngbr

Жыл бұрын

The movies were very inaccurate. 1st movie had Charlie Bowdre killed at the siege of McSween House, he died at Stinking Springs. 2nd movie had Doc Scurlock killed at Stinking Springs, he lived to die in 1929.

@attilathehun0

4 ай бұрын

If Young Guns and Young Guns 2 great movies, but it taught you stuff about Billy the Kid then Brushy is Billy the Kid.

Born and raised Texan here. I've never believed the Hico story as I'm sure most Texans don't either. Many years ago I visited a Billy the Kid Museum close to Ft. Sumner where they had some authentic funeral wagons and interesting stuff. The story I read then is what I truly believe and he is definitely buried at Ft. Sumner. Good story even though as a Texan it makes me mad too and never went to Hico for that reason. They do have a place there with good pie and chocolate. 😁

@jamiedominy4552

Жыл бұрын

Oh, God, yes! I think it’s the Koffee Kup maybe? Anyway, amazing pies with clouds of meringue

Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo! Do another one Ron, do another one!! Dang I love these adventures. No bullcrap, no lies, just pure, honest, intriguing stories. Thank you for this opportunity to hear the truth. Blessings from Michigan.

I laugh everytime Billy says "Hello Bob." before shooting him 🤣 It's just funny how he said it

You guys all wrong! I’m Billy the Kid!🤣🤣🤣

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

ugg, i wasted my trip there then, I'll come to you next!

@evakiss2562

Жыл бұрын

@@FacesoftheForgotten 😀🤣🥰

I loved your take on this story about Billy the Kid. I still don't understand why a city or the cemetery put up a headstone for someone if they are not buried at that spot.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

double lies

@k107fm

5 ай бұрын

Fort Sumner?

I love to follow the history of the real Billy the Kid aka William H. Bonney not Brushy William Roberts. Looking forward to see what you have in store for us on this historic figure 👍

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

w r on the same page then.

@heatherbaxter7071

Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to what you have in store

@SuperPresidentBeefbroth

Жыл бұрын

oliver roberts*

What is interesting is that Billy the Kid was forgotten for a long time until a book about him in the 1920s revived his story.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was the Walter Noble Burns book I outlined in this episode

@jamiedominy4552

Жыл бұрын

The biggest advantage of the Burns book is that he actually did go interview some of the remaining people who knew the Kid and were resident in 1870’s+, including Paulita Maxwell, J. Silva, etc.

Hico, TX even has a Billy The Kid Festival and museum. Everything's bigger in Texas. Including the tale tells and tourist traps. Come to Claiborne Parish, Louisiana, the birthplace of Pat Garret. His parents, siblings and their descendants, including a great-nephew who perished in World War II, are buried there.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

I purposely not not drive-through Hico, I’m not giving them any recognition. Losers.

@Cheetoluv

Жыл бұрын

@@FacesoftheForgotten You saying your a lefty, my oldest brother was a lefty but school teacher insisted he write with his right hand. WELL guess what my dad also taught him to use tools with his right hand because at the time men’s tools were geared for right hands. WELL My brother grew up being amadextras he could write right handed or left handed. He could hammer either hand. He just used the had that made the job well.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

@@Cheetoluv I never said I was a lefty, lol. did u make that up? 👍

@Cheetoluv

Жыл бұрын

@@FacesoftheForgotten so sorry, I heard I’m a lefty. You were talking about the Billy the Kid. I was listening and also playing with my grandchild, so didn’t grasp the whole sentence. So sorry to upset you.

@MTknitter22

Жыл бұрын

Well, in my W Texas, believe me, some of the “history” gets embellished about Charles Goodnight and other historic figures. Bragging does tend to sneak into the narratives.

You covered a great story! I always enjoyed reading about Billy the Kid. His story is like a well polished brass antique in a western territory antique shop. Thank you Ron for a delightful story.

You know I felt like I'm walking with you while listen to the story you telling, and it's somehow soothing ❤️

@GinaAnderson9842

Жыл бұрын

How I always feel watching and listening to Ron.. my favorite.

Getting things done to be free and watch my favorite show!

Ron doing what he does best. Graveside history lesson related in an interesting and thought-provoking manner. We love u here in 🇬🇧

History anyplace should not be removed or rewritten History is History we should respect it and learn. Stay safe out there Ron love the video

What a waisted space... I don't like lies so I can understand why you feel like that, if there is no concrete proof there is nothing. Getting famous on someone else's parade... Sad and sick. On the real Billy the kid, it's sad that he lost his mom so young and I thing that changed his world... Imagine if he didn't had to go out in the world so young. Life must have been so hard those days back in time.

This was a awesome story Ron. And thanks for telling this man's story...safe travels and be careful and stay safe!! 💕💕

There is a mud brick jail in San Elizario Tx where Billy The Kid was in. There is a historical marker explaining the story behind Billy The Kid pretty interesting.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Cool

Can't wait, love the old west

Thanks for setting people straight about Billy the Kid!

@ccrider3435

8 ай бұрын

LOL, Pat Garret "straight"? Dont any of the official lies and missing documents bother you? I am still researching Brushy Bill's claims but I have seen enough lies from ''officials'' to make me NOT believe the record written by 'The House', ENEMIES of BTK and demostrable, pathological liars, word & oath-breakers. Example: “He is, in all, quite a handsome looking fellow.” That was the opinion of a newspaperman fortunate enough to obtain an interview with the notorious outlaw Billy the Kid inside a Las Vegas, New Mexico Territory, jail cell in late December 1880. The Kid, as described by the curious reporter, was five feet eight or nine inches tall, slightly built, and looked like a schoolboy. Instead of whiskers, the 21-year-old outlaw still had “silky fuzz” on his upper lip. And his eyes were a clear blue “with a roguish snap about them.” But Billy had a full beard six months later, when his skin was dyed brown?" Lol, add this to the litany of other 'official nonsense' and you have a situation where more research and(at this point) archeology is needed badly.

To many imposters along the stories Thank you Ron for the upload !! A classical one , never gets old Billy the Kid !!! :)

How many people checked their earlobes? I did 🤣 and I have determined that Billy the kid & I have the same lobes, so he's probably my long lost uncle 😅 Geesh what some people will do for fame.

Great episode Ron!!! Many details I have never heard before!!! Thanks for sharing your story with us 👍🏻

I can't remember the name of the show, but it basically brought up all the points against this man being Billy The Kid that you pointed out & they also superimposed the photos of each man's face to prove they didn't match. If I remember the show I'll post it later or in another comment. Great job!

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

I already posted it in the description box when this aired

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately, all links posted get automatically blocked by the bots, sorry

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I was dictating in the car, I had said unfortunately

You are absolutely right about the ear lobes. I was a forensic artist and there are certain features that never change, or you inheriate. Those 2 men don't even look remotely close. I never believed that story either. It's a disgrace for Texas to embrace it.

@FacesoftheForgotten

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for weighing in. You were spot on

And now I have to watch Young Guns.

Thank you Ron for setting it straight👏👏👏

Have you been to Aurora Texas where the pilot of the UFO was buried in 1897?

Good job My Friend! Your right, we deserve the truth of our history, not sensational BS. Full disclosure is what we deserve and what is owed to the individuals who lived that truth. Great video. Thank you for sharing!

Hey 👋

Good morning from Philippines

I've heard of this Dude.🙄

Thanks for the video. I have visited the gravesites of John Chisum, Sally Chisum, Charles Goodnight, Oliver Loving and the fake grave of Billy at Ft. Sumner. Would like to visit Brushy Bill's and J. Frank Dalton's grave. I was one the naysayers about Bill until I did my research. If you do yours you will change your mind about Bill and J. Frank Dalton and Quantrill. Start with the interview of Ola Everhard.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with all that

Just a few miles from my hometown of Stephenville Texas. You probably even saw the Stephenville mile marker as you came threw Hamilton and Hico. They have Billy The Kid parades in Hico. Safe travels Ron.

I love the Outlaw movie! Nice shot of the tanker truck as well!

You ought to do one about Herman Lehnman.He lived in Loyal Valley,Tx.He was kidnapped by native americans and spent much of his like with the Apaches and Commanches.He later did settle down in his home town.He used to give demenstrations of riding and other things.John Wesley Hardin and his family lived in RANCHO,Tx in Wilson County.Its a ghost town His wife Jane Asher is buried Mound Creek Cemetery.Hardin went later to eithet DelRio or El Paso where he died.

I saw his real grave at fort Sumner in new Mexico museum that you have to go through to get into the walled cemetery, funny thing is a huge headstone (it has most of his gang buried there as well and has there names on the headstone) is now in a cage because it has been stolen several times and how anyone steals a one ton headstone is beyond me.

@dianacurry6248

Жыл бұрын

Where on earth would you hide something that huge!?

@cjbarrow512

Жыл бұрын

​@@dianacurry6248 the first time it was found in someone's back yard on the east coast. The second time I believe it was somewhere in California

I also hate it when people try to rewrite history to condone their political or whatever ideology. I am disgusted with what is going on in our country today with certain groups trying to rewrite American history from what really happened to what they WANT us to believe happened! Therefore, I’m curious as to what you think of what’s going on today. I’ve been to Fort Sumner, New Mexico…. Billy the kid was ambushed and murdered there, and is buried there.

Billy's grave in NM is in a locked cage. The one in Texas is open and right by the road yet it is untouched.

Thank's for sharing mate..

actually nobody saw Billy's body. Pat Garrett wasn't even able to collect the reward because he didn't produce Billy's body.

Another great video Ron, thank you for these history stories, I enjoy them so much. It’s so sad when people use other people just to make themselves famous.

This is one thing I like is the history of the old West. Ron, I liked your your fact checking between the real Billy the Kid and this imposter.

This will be a fascinating episode!! Can’t wait!!

Not the real Mc Coy.

Thank you Ron! Great story with facts! You must have kept your kids entertained with stories. So many people claiming to be others. I mean Butch and Sundance lived on. There was a guy pretending to be a cast member from The Little Rascals. Stymie, I think. There was a show where George "Spanky" MacFarlane confronted him, and listed all the facts of how he COULDN'T be Stymie. Anything for money and attention. Keep on going Ron. Be well and safe 🙏 as you bring us these great stories! 💕

They need to do a DdNA if there is anyway possible.

Can't wait 💪

Hello I’m watching and waiting

Melvin Fowler from highland ill

As always a great story Ron

When you go to New Mexico... be sure to go to Lincoln... Then go see his 'real' grave! Lol.. I grew up with the Kid and all his stories... My mother was an educator and loved NM history... she had some great stories. Brushy Bill Roberts wasn't the only one who pretended to be The Kid. Very interesting! Great mysteries! Makes you wonder why they don't exhume the body and do some DNA studies... ??? I'm sorry... I live in Texas, but I grew up in Alamogordo New Mexico... and the NM spirit runs deep...

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Mike In is at the top of my list when I go to New Mexico, probably next winter as I will be living in Arizona, and that part of New Mexico is not far from Arizona border

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Sitting in my truck, I had said the Lincoln, not Mikin. Lol

@mandamorris7934

Жыл бұрын

@@FacesoftheForgotten good ol auto correct lol. Oddly I was born in Phoenix... so AZ is dear to me as well. NM history is very interesting, with everything from cowboys and Indians... Spanish, Mexican... And especially up north with the native influences and the deep spiritual feeling of the land. Think about your program often... Look up and listen to a song by Disturbed called 'Hold On To Memories'... There is a line... 'the world's greatest tragedy... Souls who are not remembered, cannot survive' Reminds me of you and what your passion here is... Thanks for all you do Ron... Sincerely, and safe travels...

Wat a awsome story about Billy the kid weather it be true or not it's still a awsome story

im just simply mesmerized by your videos at first,but now i found myself following,and addicted watching your videos 😅.keep it up,have a good health and take care always! ☺️lots of love from philipines! ❤️❤️❤️

I would prefer to think that the real Billy the kid dealt with this matter himself. 🤣

Hi from Dona Ana County NM, just east of Lincoln County. Pat Garrett is buried here in Las Cruces' Masonic Cemetary. Lots of Western history here.

That was awesome, thankyou for highlighting the earlobe issue. Sorted,

Ron. We don't all believe that story. It just seems to br that town actually. Just so you know.

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

Oh good that’s great to know. I figure there has to be some smart people there.👍👍👍

I'm a recent subscriber. Great video. I was almost convinced Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. Now I'm 90 percent convinced otherwise. I say 90 percent because the only way to definitively put it to bed is through dna.

@FacesoftheForgotten

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

I'm looking forward to this!

thanks so much for sharing. love what you do

LOL, I think it's funny that there's a noose on the monument. Even Billy Joel admitted that "The Ballad Of Billy The Kid" was all made-up because it fit musically: "To watch the hanging...of Billy The Kid..." Billy The Kid was shot. Billy Joel used that song as an allegory for his own life and took poetic license. It tickles me that people still take that stuff seriously.

Good story Ron, you always do the research and get the facts, “just the facts, mam” 🙋‍♂️🐈🐈

Very interesting history story, thanks Ron for sharing. Please stay safe out there

Hello Ron from Dalton Ga. Hope all is doing well.

Billy the Kid was drawn into a life of crime by the events in his young, short life. Apparently, he had quite a personality as he was reportedly well liked by many, yet he gunned down at least three law enforcement personnel in his day. Regardless of some of the far-flung anecdotes, reasonable thinking historians are certain that he was shot dead by Pat Garrett in 1881. Billy the Kid was made famous by many novels and later movies over the years. I think that the fact that so many people believe that Billy the Kid laid low for nearly 70 years then suddenly emerged in Hico Texas looking more to be 70 than 90, stopping people on the street to tell them that he was Billy the Kid actually dishonors the memory of Billy the Kid. These same people that claim that Pat Garrett helped Billy the Kid to escape because he never got a photo made of Billy the Kid's body in 1881 claim that Brushy Bill Roberts' body had all of the scars that Billy the Kid supposedly had but there was no photo taken of them in 1950, even though cameras were much readily available by then. I wish that in 1948 a U.S. Marshal would have approached Brushy Bill when he was doddering around Hico claiming to be Billy the Kid and said: "Okay Bonney, you are under arrest, and I am taking you back to Lincoln County for execution of the Death Sentence for Murdering Sheriff Brady." and see if Brushy Bill would have changed his tune.

Texan here: all Texas has EVER done is try to rewrite history. Excellent episode! I’ve been drinking up these Texas vids. Thanks so much for what you do!

Billy was born William Henry Roberts near Hico Texas. Brushy Bills name was William Henry Roberts and died in Hico Texas. Billy changed his last name to Bonney after his father (Henry Roberts) passed away. Bonney was his step mothers maiden name. William H Bonney is the name most people knew him by. Billy was an escape artist and I beleive Pat Garrett did not kill Billy. Brushy Bill knew too much to not be Billy. It is odd that there is a gap in the records of William Henry Roberts. Could it be because he changed his name to William H Bonney and then later changed back to William Roberts?

@WayneGarner-lb8db

5 күн бұрын

People never take the time to really investigate Brushy’s claim. When he lays it out there in the Alias Billy the Kid notes and book of Daniel Edwards it makes way more sense. Chano Silva, Jesus Silva’s grandson even says grandad said Billy went back to Indian territory to go after the men who killed his father. That was before the Lincoln county war and I believe right after he fled AZ because of the description of him being so young then by Silva.

I've heard about this too. The whole story of where he's buried at and so on.

Oh , my favourite ! Of course an imposter ! Or maybe Billy the Kid from Tombstone Az ? 😄

@Here_This

Жыл бұрын

Just look at the ears , completely different shape . Also the chin and nose . 😉😀

Thank you for telling this story and all the history that goes along with it. Have a nice week!!

Thankfully you told us that you were infuriated because it was hard to tell...😂 Honestly this is why I LOVE this youtube channel. You're a passionate person and are not afraid to say it like it is. Thank-you again for a piece of history debunked. (BTW - Anastasia - that's a really interesting story.) 🙂

Good evening everyone

Thank you for doing this story and telling it like it is. It is so good to clarify how that is fake and that he was an imposter stealing the identity of the real Billy the Kid. I really hate identity theft and those who do it.

They say they have proof that the kid was born in 1861 and that they have a evidence that he was in old mexico after he was supposed to be killed for he was there that night but his friend billy was there with the kid and he is the one who got killed and the kid got shot in the shoulder and in my opinion billy the kid lived and got away and used some one else name what if brushy bill got killed some were and he used his name for i heard that they examination of brushy body he had all the scars that was said billy the kid was to have been shot just saying

Thank you for sharing this ❤

I'm sure you are correct!

Lot of ppl said they survived custer fight,by hiding inside a dead horse or playing dead,bushy bill just another crank

Everybody’s grandpa knew Billy the kid .???

Sad that someone would steal anyones identity. To many people muddying history with false claims and false info. Hoorible things have occured in our past but tearing things down or rewriting it is not right. Thanks for trying to keep it real ,Ron. Keep Safe❤Keep Well ❤

I've been to Silver Springs New Mexico recently and there's a corner with an old jail that's dedicated to holding him at one time.

He was just a wannabe, looking for fame for himself, a sad impostor nothing more.

Interesting!!

Adios amigo.

When billy murdered Brady. Billy had a badge so it wasn't murder

There is a grave in Kentucky by Greensburg that has Billy the kid on it

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

fakers

Billy H Bonney is buried in Kentucky in a small graveyard off the road from horse cave, ky

@FacesoftheForgotten

Жыл бұрын

who's he?

@kellyfostercash8026

Жыл бұрын

@@FacesoftheForgotten that's just what's on the grave

Great episode as usual Ron!

Thank you for doing this story. Very much appreciated. I did see a tin type pic on a news channel that a man had that did not have any province, however the detached ear lobes and facial recognition over laid the 2 photos and the nose was perfect and mouth and distance and slant of eyes all matched. It was not this brushy bill character but it seemed to be an older 30 ish picture tin type of Billy. The way he wore his hat slanted was even there. If you have not seen or heard of that maybe you could look into this. WYFF News 4 showed this and facial recognition said it was the same person when compared with original Billy the Kid tin type picture

HI, MY COUSIN WAS NAMED BRUSHY BILL BRAZELTON. HE WAS A TRUE OUTLAW. IF I REMEMBER MY COUSIN WAS A ROBBER AND WAS EXECUTED FOR HIS CRIMES. THIS PERSON FROM YOUR VIDEO LIED MORE THAN ONCE. ALL CAPS ARE EASIER TO READ AND SHOUILD NOT BE CONSIDERED YELLING. HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

Exume Brushy Bill and compare his DNA to Elbert Garcia, Abrana Garcia's great great Grandson. Herand Billy's son was named Patricinio. Let's see if there is something there for starters?

Hah.. that earlobes thing got me convinced. Earlobes don't just attach to the head when you age. Imposter.

👋👋👏👏👏👍🇦🇺

Didn't they do some sort of facial recovery or what ever that said the tin type an pics of brushy Bill could be the same person?

Proud Texan and agree with you completely it’s just another stolen history story.

Great job with this story Ron!