What can I say? It was an absolute pleasure to spend a day with two experienced bikers! I've enjoyed every minute of this, learnt a lot, had a fantastic time and the feedback I got from both Neil and Chris was very useful and practical - thank you both! IAM observed rides have restarted now, this day and experience helps getting Advanced (or F1RST?).

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jerzy. And now you're famous too :-) It was great to ride out with you too. I've just posted an article on the BikeSafe website that describes what we did on the day. Thank you so much for allowing me to film your ride. Please stay in touch and let me know hiw your IAM goes. Check out my 'boxed set of IAM films too.

Thx for the channel and your hard work it has helped me in my return to riding after 30 years and i brought home new r1250rt last week.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thats brilliant news Jim. Its great to be back on two wheels isnt it? You should seriousnessly consider an IAM course now.

You drive like a rider with many years experience, not just two. Thanks for the video.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. Still not as smooth as id like though!

What a generous and good thing to do ( sharing this ride) Bike safe is a fantastic initiative for all riders and deserves all bikers support. Thank you to all the constabulary officers and regions for the support & training. :)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

It was a great day out Rodrigo.

I've done a few of these and I'm glad you got the opportunity to do another one mate, and in some decent weather which makes the day a whole lot more enjoyable - it's a shame with staffing levels and financial constraints that more places can't be made available for people to take advantage of an opportunity to go out with riders of this calibre. Interesting to see such a mix of riding abilities and experience of the riders attending the day too. One of the best things about these days are that the check ride lets the guys see what level you're at and they can pitch what they demonstrate to you, and their advice on how you can improve, at a very personal level, tailored solely to you. A lot of the Police riders are trained to Instructor and Escort Group level and if you can get past the fact that you have a Police Officer following you, it's an opportunity not to be missed. It's a great fun day and you'll come away having learnt something, no matter what level you ride at - the boys and girls of Traffic are the best at what they do, as well as all that knowledge and training, they're riders by choice and people with huge natural ability and a real passion for motorcycles. To have your riding assessed by someone with their experience and qualifications, and to get their advice on how you can improve to keep yourself safer is an experience that's well worth going for. I'm glad to see that since you've come back to riding, you've learnt one of the most important lessons - if you ever reach the stage where you think that you know it all - it's time to hang your keys up. Well done for promoting another take on improving riding safety and stay safe on that rather lovely Ducati :-)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that insight Dale. Totally agree with all your points. I think the day we stop learning is the day we grow old. For me, it's such a privilege to ride with these folk. They've got way more training and experience than I'll ever have, so hopefully a little of that ethos and advice rubs off and sticks.

@RoadcraftNottingham

3 жыл бұрын

I remember my 2nd advanced test in 93, the copper was on his marked bike and he followed me on an overtake on a sweeping left bend. Imagine what the driver thought... A fireblade being chased 😂

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@RoadcraftNottinghamHa! Presume this concerns my o/t on the devils in lycra? its a wonderful feeling sitting out there though isn't it?

@seaflyfisher

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike - I liked that overtake because you showed some restraint to clear the offside entrance before you went, nice timing, a textbook overtake that kept everyone safe :-)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@seaflyfisher survived. Always good when that happens 😃 Also a great view around the bend from out there.

The feedback you received at the end should’ve been very reassuring, confirming best practice in your attitude and technique. Well done Neil, you have worked hard to achieve and maintain this standard. As a side note you may be interested to know that I too have downsized fro my RT to a 2020 RnineT scrambler with road biased tyres. I’d forgotten how much fun a naked bike is to ride, especially here throughout the lovely Adelaide hills. Stay safe and thanks for a great video.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter. Yes, felt like an independent view of 3 yrs of effort so very satisfying! Interesting to hear of your downsizing. So much more fun isnt it? RT is great for long tours but most of us just jump on for a couple of hours.

Great Vid. Got mine booked for end of June with Sussex Police. Tiger 885i.

Neil, I've really enjoyed watching your IAM Back 2 The Bike videos, I've seen all of them apart from the actual Test itself, as I got distracted into this one with the Bike Safe Northants Police. I'm coming Back to the Bike myself and you've inspired me to enrol for IAM myself, and it's heartening to know that the Worcester/Hereford branch are full, so I'm waiting a few weeks for an opening for me to begin my own IAM training journey. I've loved watching your videos and then going out riding myself in and around Worcester/shire trying to put it into practice. Very informative, very helpful and very inspiring - to know that I've been motivated to sign up to IAM is the biggest compliment I can pay you. Thank You.

You produce this type of material in an excellent way making it informative and enjoyable..Cheers.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks ZB. An hour of editing for every min of film amazingly. Good fun though 😱

Thanks for this video Neil, I enjoyed it very much. Since returning to riding about 12 years ago I have completed Bikesafes with Beds Herts and the London Team and learned a great deal every time. While they do focus on an introduction to advanced riding we have found they are happy to accept people who have been previously, and may already have an advanced qualification. London Bikesafe even organised a special day for my club - Herts and Beds Advanced Motorcycle Group - a few years back. Bedfordshire were using a different format - Ride safe - for a year or two, but I believe they are now following the national format, albeit that cuts have impacted on a great resource and, I would have thought, providing great interaction with a section of the general public

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi John, good to hear from you. Interesting stuff and this interaction between police and biker community is brilliant. I totally agree its beneficial for bikers of all abilities, although if massively oversubscribed I could understand why BikeSafe may wish to prioritise non advanced riders.

Thanks for sharing Neil, and nice to see you back! Some very nice compliments about your riding, testimony to all your hard work, and a little guidance from someone who seems to know a thing or ‘two - aka SeaFlyFisher

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Thanks Stags it was a brilliant day in perfect weather too. Must be honest I was over the moon with the feedback. Youve followed my journey for a long time so know about the ups and downs 😱

Nice one Neil. Good to see the boys doing some training days again after quite a few years not being involved due to austerity. It was Bikekraft in my day!! Great camera work by the way.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary. I was waiting for your take, being an ex member of this exclusive club! You'll enjoy the next film where Chris shows me the bikes. I keep polishing the cameras and sound, although lost my beloved Ghost X on the way back from Ludlow this week :-(

Well done; great feedback! Great video too...really interesting....Thanks.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching :-)

Great insight ! Thank you for recording and to the boys in blue

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

And girls! Glad you enjoyed the film. It was a brilliant day James.

Done two Bikesafe days - excellent 👍 highly recommended! 😀

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I cant think of any amateur biker who wouldn't benefit. Great fun too!

Great video, I’m currently doing my lessons so this is very helpful. Thank you

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamie, glad you're enjoying them.

Thoroughly enjoyed that matey... unfortunately there’s nothing like that over here... with such a short riding season, there’s no motorcycle cops in the interior... my riding buddy here is a retired motorcycle cop from the island... literally wrote the book on police riding... we’ve discussed running advanced riding courses / refreshers here... it’s just unfortunate that it’s so foreign a concept to further your skills that it’s been tough to get it going. Now training new riders... no problem, very successful with that ... we even have them bring their riding buddy, if they’re going to have a regular one, on the ‘road day’ ride... and every session we have comments from the experienced riders ‘wow, I even learnt something today’... maybe, one day, it’ll become more acceptable. Cheers Neil... great to see you on the steed once again.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear from you. Presume the snow comes soon an the bears are hibernating? It was a treat to share the road with these folk no doubt. When you add up their skills training, hours in the saddle, attitude and the speeds they must ride at i dont see how an amateur rider can get close, but its fun to try 😉

Good stuff and nicely produced.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gordon. Snowing yet in Scotland? 😀

Cheers for sharing Neil, great to see you was allowed to film, took one last year 12 months after passing my test, great refresher , some of the moves were at the time too advanced for me at that time, like going onto opposite side of the road to get better view around corner, learnt valuable good practise and had a great day

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. So now youll be doing some advanced training? ;-)

@thesmithsteron2wheels362

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike would like to have a go at the advanced course but not very good in meeting people i dont know, a bit of a loner, will try next year for sure

@jerzylelusz

3 жыл бұрын

@@thesmithsteron2wheels362 Just do it! They're not any different, they're humans as us! It's really really worth learning the stuff from advanced course. Give it a go before winter sets in!

Interesting, I atteded BikeSafe in London on 6th Sep. and the weather was as perfect as in your video :) Was yours on the same day? And indeed it was a great day with decent feedback from officers. It was fun and I realy enjoyed it. I'm actully in the process of getting full A with MOD-1 scheduled this Wednesday, so I did the ride on my current Honda 125 :)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

The wonderful weather was a bonus on a brilliant day Tomas. Hope your test goes well!

Did same course just couple weeks back and also with Chris. An excellent day, top instructor, learnt a lot, got my mojo back 😁

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thats good to hear Alex. They've had to put extra courses on which is brilliant :-) Glad you enjoyed your day out.

@christall1421

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex. Glad you enjoyed your day with us. Always good to have your Mojo...

Wow, what a LOT of adverts! Great video Neil. Still some work to do for that roundabout. 😉 You mentioned the subsidising, I'm surprised they let you and the Observer on the course. Round here it's as a stepping stone to IAM or ROSPA. Good work with the 360 camera. I'm still working away with my Drift HDs. All the best. Keep safe.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Yes, gravel is my excuse Mike ;-) I think IAM grads get as much from it as newbies, and being as how its my tax im happy to be subsidised!

@mikeroberts

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike Taken from Northants Bikesafe page ... "BikeSafe is intended to introduce participants to some of the advanced skills Police Motorcyclists achieve through their training and to encourage those who attend a workshop to undergo advanced rider training in the future."

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

You comment implies advanced training is a one off exercise Mike and that i shouldn't have been there, somehow taking a place another could have had. For me, its a constant round of sharpening, and, as made extremely clear on the day, BikeSafe is open to riders of all levels (inc IAM Obervers!) who want to improve. If the police do annual refresh training, how much more should we? I want to be the best I can be. I want to be trained by the best, and there's simply none better than the blokes i rode with. Their expert, independent and impartial opinion of my ability is priceless. I'd do it again in a flash.

@mikeroberts

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike I don't mind either way Neil, I was just following up on your original point about it being subsidised and the text I quoted is why it is. Personally, I think your path forward would be refresher rides with the local group National Observers and doing Masters ... and of course more time out with Mr Seaflyfisher. The video is a great promo for Bikesafe. Keep up the good work and keep safe.

@RoadcraftNottingham

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike I'll train ya but it'll cost! I'm f'muss ya know. ☺

Nice riding. I like the way you move when you've seen the oncoming vehicle, so many riders don't. Not really in agreement with having to stare in mirrors for signals as it's a distraction but you know me, Mr opinionated. ☺... Question... Is it an optical illusion or do you always ride with your fingers over the front brake? ☺

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Russ. Your opinion is much valued. Yes, guilty on covering the front brake. I've tried repeatedly not to but I've got big hands and it feels really uncomfortable if I don't stretch out my fingers. Thoughts?

@RoadcraftNottingham

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike Maybe compromise and cover with 2 fingers? It's not really a problem as long as you don't habit brake and if surprised, grab it or the thickness of the gloves activates the brake light.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@RoadcraftNottinghamCheers, ill try that. Chris did mention my toe touching the rather sensitive rear brake pedal, so activated the switch light, even though I wasn't actually braking (ball of the foot on the peg). He got me to test it out when we got back to HQ.

Great video! On my Bikesafe course my perspective on the police changed drastically. They *are* bikers _through and through!_ They want to have fun and enjoy their bikes just as much as we do - they just show you how to do it without killing yourself (for me avoiding death is a bonus!) The police on my course were really decent chaps, they taught me a lot. I really want to do the IAM but I just don't know where to start..

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree Michael. Track down your local IAM group and drop them a line. They'll give you a free check ride on your first session. Take it from there.

@majordelays4909

Жыл бұрын

Hope you started already it’s very cheap and excellent value for what is - just sign up on the website

'Roadcraft' is a great book too.....

Thanks for the interesting and informative vid. I've done a BikeSafe with Beds police and it was very different to how it looked in your Northants experience. By coincidence I'm also doing the same course at Wooton Hall this Sunday. Will the 'Rule of 6' from Monday mean you couldn't have as many as 8 classroom customers I wonder?

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

I think they vary from county to county Kevin. I think the incredibly daft rule of 6 only applies to social gatherings. You'll have a good time with these guys.

I couldn't agree more when you say it's not as easy as it sounds when you're supposed to ride as you would normally! I done a bike safe some years ago and all you think about is what the trainer is thinking and what he will say later!

@Back2TheBike

Жыл бұрын

Good point Mark. That's what happens when we learn any new skill. We must consciously think about it until it becomes automatic.

Very informative Neil must get round to doing one of these myself. Can’t believe you rode by Canons Ashby without commenting, all my bikes have had a posed photo outside this picturesque church 😃

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Clive, hope you're feeling well? I think they've a few places left later this month if you're interested. See link. Probably my favourite local biker road! www.takeabyte.co.uk/InContact/public/gateway.aspx?func_id=79A2A98E7C95DA57&obc_id=F2881320AE4DB1A078BC6E75870DB978

@cliveevans5755

3 жыл бұрын

Back2TheBike thanks for the link Neil will check it out 👍🏻 yes it’s part of a regular loop I do but HS2 works buggers it up every time I ride it ❗️all good so far 🤞🏻19 months post surgery now, hope you are keeping in good health as well.

Hi mate you can’t beat learning ever ride is challenging ride safe 👍

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍

Prob to late to comment for this vlog, but ive booked on a bikesafe course, gotta be a good thing to do, will prob go on to do either ROSPA or IAM training, thanks for posting this 👍

@Back2TheBike

10 ай бұрын

You'll have a brill day Chris. Treat it as a taster for an advanced course.

Excellent video, i like the 360 cam and I bet you enjoyed the feedback at the, well deserved. Wat bike are you riding there?

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Boris. My ride is a Monster R with Termignoni pipes.

I know it's been a while, but hope you are back for good. Good video, something I've thought about for a while and now work is behind me, will look into with NYPD, (N Yorks)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Heartbeat country eh? Some great roads up there. Some vloggers post on regular days of the week, but I prefer just to upload when there's something of interest. Glad you enjoyed the film.

Just found this and thoroughly enjoyed it. Which villages did you go through on the route from Northampton to the A5, looks a nice route.

@Back2TheBike

4 ай бұрын

A long time ago! Many wonderful lanes here though.

Oh well done Sir! :)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

I'm honoured m'Lud !

Great video and very informative. I'm doing the BikeSafe day this Sunday at Northampton. Did you stop anywhere to get something to eat or are you expected to take your own?

@Back2TheBike

Жыл бұрын

All taken care of. Trust the boys (and girls) in blue to look after you. Enjoy the day, then IAM at the Obelisk, 0900 Sunday for a free check ride.

Hi ya can I ask what helmet cam and mic I are using? I’m waiting on bike safe to start back up in my area to get some advice

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Skip. Shoei Neotec and just a cheap lavalier mic. Feeds into Gopro via a mic adapter.

I did this on Sunday with the Northants guys. Great day and well worth doing.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to that Dan. Glad you enjoyed it 😊

Good video👍🏼What Cafe was that at the end?

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Super Sausage

Some moves I would have the B%z% to do. Cracking run

Firstly, good vid, thanks. I was due to do BikeSafe last Apr 2020 but mine was postponed due to Government influences and have only just completed mine now a full 12 months later with the classroom activities done via Zoom. Was this recorded earlier than 2020 like the year before as I was informed that all BikeSafes were postponed as mine was.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember it was Oct 2021. Northants Police squeezed about 6 sessions in between lockdowns.

I noticed that during the rides you were changing lane positions according to the bends and the view ahead etc. but were you using the 5 lane positions or the 3 lane positions as sometimes you appeared to be close to the verge/kerbs and at other times close to the central white broke and solid white lines. Or maybe its just the camera angle that gave this impression. Which was it. ? Ta.

@Back2TheBike

2 жыл бұрын

I'm aware of the 3 and 5 lane positions but don't think of them. My position is simply a balance of view v safety and prepping for whatever is down the road. For example, on a left hander I'd like to be near the crown to extend view round the corner, but if there's an HGV coming I'll give up position for a safer place.

@rcraven1013

2 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike I am the same. What we learn or have seen many years or so ago becomes second nature and then we do them automatically without thinking. However for the benefit of newbies. In advanced riding there are now only three positions on our carriageway. Previous to the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft of 2013 there were in fact 5 positions. relating to ones positioning on the road. Positions,were numbered 1 to 5 for ease of training, Number 1 was removed as it was close to the kerb/verge and thus dangerous and position 5 which was close to or actually on the mid line and that was considered dangerous also as one might, on a left hand bend meet a vehicle coming the other way cutting that bend and heading straight for one. So position 1 and 5 were removed and the other three now became numbers 1,2 and 3. Position number 1 is now the inside tyre line of a car, position 3 is the outside tyre line of a car and position 2 known as the sump line is now any positioning between those two others. The purpose of these positioning was basically for a greater forward view for when a police officer needed to improve his forward vision whilst travelling at very high speeds, something that he could and we also could do as previously there were no speed limits out of towns. That was up to the mid 60's when the National speed limits were introduced. In reality with a country wide limit of now 60 mph we don't actually need to see as far ahead as they had to do as a result of them being able to travel at much higher speeds. . By that I mean a police officer who might have to do 100 mph. plus in an emergency. We are not police officers and not on an emergency ride. Some would argue that much of this movement around the positioning on our carriageway to obtain a longer view, due to our present speed limits is now unnecessary. We can no longer use excessive speeds on our country roads and therefore we no longer need to obtain as great a viewing distance of the road ahead, at any speed over 60 mph. Police officers and emergency services might have to sometimes but its not necessarily a requirement of civilians being limited to the NSL.

i thoroughly enjoyed the video you seem to have stopped posting which is a shame

@Back2TheBike

2 жыл бұрын

I've got a few in the can for release over the winter, just busy with other 'life' stuff currently!

@twotriumphs7398

2 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike look forward to seeing them

Meant to ask, Neil - what made you change your BMW RT for a naked bike? You've probably got a video explaining why, or maybe you simply have 2+ bikes!! How do you find it? I'm looking to change from a Honda DN-01 to a BMW RT1250 - I've always loved them, but never owned one.

@Back2TheBike

Жыл бұрын

Hi Adrian, good to hear from you and glad the films have helped. Here's why I changed the RT kzread.info/dash/bejne/p393286Mk8XLeJc.html , essentially after a major heart issue the RT was too heavy to lug around, I wasn't touring, and added to the fact my mentor (SeaFlyFisher - see his YT channel for his Masterclass series - best instruction on the web) recommended the Monster R to improve my cornering. After a few years I've just traded again for a Ducati Multistrada V2S which gives me best of both worlds. Again, the video's on the channel if you want the lowdown. IT's a Swiss Army Knife of a bike, does everything well and worth a test ride. Best wished with your IAM - keep me posted!

@AdrianShipley111

Жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike cheers for the reply :) interestingly I've got test rides for the Multistrada & RT1250 coming up, but I also have a bit of a liking for the cruiser style bike, so also testing the Diavel, R18 and K1600 to see if the large tourer is my thing. Watched your test video this morning - congratulations! I figured you'd pass, especially after watching your Bike Smart video before your test. I'd picked up the audio & visual clues. I was coming back to biking after breaking all of the 8 bones in my right wrist 5 years ago. Been building up the strength in it, as well as the confidence to go Back 2 The Bike. Happy Riding :)

Can I ask what is probably going to be a stupid question. I’ve just started on motorbikes, done CBT and got a 125 so I’m a total beginner. The instructor told me to always stop with left foot down, right foot on back brake, in 1st gear ready to go. I noticed at 10:42 of this video at the roundabout/lights the 2 in front and I’m guessing you as well are all stopped with right foot down and front brake on. Is this a classic difference between the box ticking exercise that a learner test is and real world and advanced driving/riding?

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Richard. No such thing as a stupid question. I'm not familiar with the CBT - in my day you rode round the block and a bloke with a trilby hat said 'you've passed' as long as you didn't fall off ;-) I'd be very surprised if they would fail you for a right foot down. I prefer it for these reasons: 1. Less stress on my left hand and no chance of hand slipping accidentally to engage drive. 2. Bike is held by front brake so won't roll. 4. I'm watching my mirrors so can quickly click into first if there's a risk of being rear-ended. 3. If it's good enough for the police who am I to disagree? The only time I do left foot down is if I'm on a steepish incline and bike might roll, so hold it on the rear brake.

@richardnicholson3912

3 жыл бұрын

Yes all that makes sense. Like I say I bet it’s just a box ticking thing they want to see your in the habit of being ready to go as soon as you’ve come to a stop. Just like with cars you learn to drive after the L test.

@christall1421

3 жыл бұрын

There is an operational reason why we (the cops) stop with our right foot down and its in relation to escort duties where we need to have quick access to first gear having stopped the traffic. There's a bit more to it but essentially that's why. For hill starts I generally stop left foot down and hold on the rear brake.

Im59,I’m not a born again biker,I’ve always had a bike since I was a kid,but I,d still love to do this course!How do you find out if there is a course near you?(I’m near Congleton Cheshire)

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark. Find the BikeSafe website and the link to your county. You might find a few slots still available but if not just register your interest and they'll email you. www.takeabyte.co.uk/InContact/public/gateway.aspx?func_id=79A2A98E7C95DA57&obc_id=0871FB0F3C093FC60FA4BF586FAB33E1

Sound quality is far off what it was, is it the naked bike or different microphone? Struggled to understand what you were saying sometimes

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Soz. Still battling with GoPro sound settings and modular helmet. Think I might have cracked it now though ;-)

Nice video. I'm just coming back after 40 years away! Have to get my DAS this time. Glad tho - its all so much harder these days with all the traffic. One thing you don't mention about bike training - the key thing is practice, practice, practice. Hours in the saddle. It is all so hard work when you start because your brain is having to conciously process so much continuously. With many hours of practice under your belt, some of it becomes instinctive which leaves room for your brain to concentrate on better learning. The first few days out with an instructor left me mentally exhausted. But it gets easier and more enjoyable with experience. Like most things I guess. I think all car drivers should have to watch videos like this as part of their training. Most just don't have any consideration for bikers.

@Back2TheBike

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting comment. When I first got back on again I found I had to limit my riding time aslike you I became exhausted. As time went by I extended the rides. It’s not a competition so take your time, work on a couple of specifics each time.

@detectoruser

2 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike Have so much enjoyed watching these videos. I had to postpone my advanced rider training up in Lincolnshire two years ago, due to other events in my life, but now back in Norwich, added ANOTHER Triumph, 2021 T120 which is more refined than the 1973 T140V. Have arranged for an assessment ride in a couple of weeks time and will then progress through the training. I agree that practice, practice and even more practice is, as long as its top quality stuff, allows all the knowledge to sink in and become an instinctive part of your riding. I see so many young riders dashing about, following too close, impatient, risky overtaking and blindly tailing each other. BUT ... that was once me! I love the 100% professional attitude, Liam

@Back2TheBike

2 жыл бұрын

@@detectoruser So glad you've enjoyed the ride Liam. IAM is the best mod you can add to your riding for max performance IMHO. Getting home safe is a bonus too!

Interesting and informative. Super sausage - dangerous road or something else?

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Classic biker stop. Unfortunately closed when we arrived 😭

@seaflyfisher

3 жыл бұрын

Closed Chipolata

At the Ring Road you put your right foot down I was always taught to keep my right foot on the break and put my left foot down

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

This way i can click into gear and move away sharpish to avoid a vehicle hitting me from the rear.

@1981tillett

3 жыл бұрын

Back2TheBike So in a Motorbike exam can I choose which side I put down or do I have to put my left down as at the moment I ride Lexmoter 125 and I was always Put down my left foot

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@1981tillett Its your choice James. I prefer right foot down but I don't think an examiner will fault you for left foot down. The important thing is to be in control and aware of what's going on around you.

@1981tillett

3 жыл бұрын

Back2TheBike thank u 4 the help

@1981tillett

3 жыл бұрын

Back2TheBike I’m pretty new to riding I’ve been riding for about a month I’m still lying in the outs of it all thank you very much for helping me with that

Accepting the fact that the police rider, explained he would be in unusual positions in order to observe, was there anything about the police officers riding, that you personally thought could be improved.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Good question. The answer is no, but Chris, like all these roads policing officers, is always looking to improve his skills. I heard it more than once on the day that 'every day is a school day'. They are incredibly consistent but always in search of the elusive 'perfect ride' ;-)

@christall1421

3 жыл бұрын

Neil did pick me up on my life savers....

@Grahamvfr

3 жыл бұрын

@@garygasman1 I take your point, and of course I appreciate we all have our different opinions, but in 40 yrs of riding, I still can't accept that wide positions are 'ever' safe. Advanced riding says never give up safety for position, but why put yourself there in a potentially dangerous spot, which it must be otherwise they wouldn't have the caveat. The improved view you get around the corner with these wide positions is (in my eyes) simply not proportional to the risk involved. I really prefer roadcraft Nottinghams view on Rd position..

@Grahamvfr

3 жыл бұрын

@@garygasman1 OK, by wide I mean, very close to the kerb, or very close to the centre line, so yes I understand your comments. You say you are new to this video lark, well you'll find the whole Internet is full of the arguments for being in wide positions and against being in wide positions. You will see road craft Nottingham has commented on this video, so if you click on his icon, you will see his channel (I know Neil won't mind) or you could just type in 'road craft Nottingham positioning' into KZread.

@Grahamvfr

3 жыл бұрын

@@garygasman1 can I clear something up Gary, at the risk of telling your granny to suck eggs. When the police /advanced riders take these wide positions, it has nothing to do with the quickest way through the bend (racing line as we know it) its to give them an early/improved view of what's around the bend. This is why in my previous comment to you, I stated that in my opinion, the benefits of this early/ improved view are disproportionate to the dangers of being so close to centre line or verge. In my humble opinion and with around 40 yrs biking experience, the position you adopt is dictated by what you see in front of you and what you anticipate will be in front of you. It's constantly changing.

"He's behind you".... Sorry .. someone had to

3:47 personally I wouldnt risk overtaking before a blind corner.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

Nor would I. The clever bit is by moving out I extend my view into the bend so it is no longer 'blind'. My observer was quite happy with it.

i don't mean to sound rude .. but i don't agree with "advanced training schemes" for new bikers .. rospa, bike safe ..etc ... its leads new riders into a false sense of security and safety because they have a certificate they assume they a good rider ... im sorry but no substitute for experiences and good practices .. regardless of how many certificates they got .. they should be a minimum amount of riding time ..like 4 - 5 years before you can apply

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

You're right that the certificate means little. Its what you do with the training that matters. The 5 years you mention is a long time to be riding without the IPSGA system, a proven approach used by the police. 'Experience' too often means just repeating the same ingrained bad habits, which you'll see every Sunday morning in May. Try a free IAM check ride and let me know how you get on.

@oldfartuk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Back2TheBike fair enough .. you do make a good point

@christall1421

3 жыл бұрын

In some cases it's possible to overload a new rider or driver with new techniques but many find it an ideal time to go straight into further training. Why not learn how to ride as safely as possible before bad habits set in? It can be difficult to undue some of these habits without lots of instruction and practice. This can cause frustration and some people give up as a result. Experience is great providing what you are practicing is correct and affords you the best amount of safety you and other road users deserve. Experience of doing things badly is counter productive. If you want to survive and get the most from your riding then learn to do it well.

@Back2TheBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@christall1421 Amen to that Chris. Great to hear your views on B2TB and thanks for taking time to contribute :-) We have a few retired police bikers who comment like Gary Setch but you're the first in an active role. The ethos of the channel is to try to help any who seek to improve their ride, but particularly those who've come back to two wheels after a substantial break. I'm careful not to put myself up as an example but will mirror ànd repeat what I've been taught by those like yourself, SeaFlyFisher, Gary and Nottingham Roadcraft who have done this professionally.

@seaflyfisher

3 жыл бұрын

Hi OFU, the boys are spot on and experience doesn't necessarily mean good, there are many shocking drivers that have years of experience under their belts - blokes in particular usually consider themselves to be excellent drivers especially if they're in that elite club that "passed their test first time" which normally automatically promotes your status to "Road God" and no-one can possibly teach you anything else. The reality is that the driving test qualifies you to drag the thing round town at thirty miles an hour, after which, it's time to learn to ride it, and with all due respect to the IAM and ROSPA, the supposed "Advanced" test is actually system and safety at the speed limit and the standard that all of us should be driving at - if they're honest, there are very few people that attend IAM, ROSPA, or BIKESAFE for the first time, that don't come away realising how much more there is to learn, to ride safer and better. I've said it many times that if I ever reach the point where I think I know it all, I'll hang my keys up and sell my bikes - you never stop learning. I don't like the word advanced, but the ladies and gents that run all of these further training courses do it to share their knowledge and to promote better and safer riding to reduce road casualties - what's not to like, and as Neil said, why not try a taster session - you might be surprised - stay safe out there and enjoy your bike - Dale